Siege Rework | Total War: WARHAMMER III 

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agree, some demons of tzeentch should have a unique trait that would allow them to scale walls without need of siege equipment

Part of Tzeentch's plan, the demons are saving their magic for the spells to destroy

I wonder how easuly the modders could play with the visuals and "turn off" the ladders for some units and move them closer so it looks like they're just climbing on the wall.

Agreed, certain units such as Wraiths, Eshin units, Shadow Warriors or Tzeentch and Slaanesh Daemons should get unique animation for it, not involving ladders.

Chaos is a ladder after all

they are very polite and well educated

Was gonna say the same thing

I wish the would make for several units to be able to scale without ladders e.g. ghosts, spiders, horrible creepy stuff etc. It would make for less silly moments.

To be fair tzeentch is the most derpy chaos god, so it still fits with his theme. I mean this is the guy with flamethrower ghosts, giant birds and pink blobs. Seeing those units using normal siege ladders is probably a subversion of expectation tzeentch could get behind

Littlefinger approves

Chaos is a laddah

@@EricChien95 he would have made a good cultist of Tzeentch

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Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

like in shogun 2 lol

Hope theres a mod

that was a feature in warhammer mark of chaos FIFTEEN years ago

damn man it's almost like they don't play their own games

This 100%

They should😀

I don't know. That seems like something Slaanesh's army would be more into.😁

Lol and Greenskins should hace snotlings ‘patching’ gaps in ladders (“dem rungs is gettin roit dodgy. Get da snotz up ere ‘fore I use’m fer lunch”)

Using flatulence to boost over walls.

Oh my Emperor that will be awesome!

And siege Equipment shuld actually ve worth using

Yeah I wouldn’t get your hopes up lol

Looking at this, It just looked like siege defense would become easier. I can't see the AI making proper use of these features, but I guess we'll have to see.

Hope so too, I'll keep my expectations low when it comes to AI and that there will be borked parts with it for release or spotting its limitations and finding exploits defending. It's a great start atleast and whilst AI should be finished on release and keeping such low expectations is kinda sad, it's better than too much.

Sellin an strategy game which can make superb screenshots but contain dumb AI and terrible multiiplayer support is the bussines model for 20years. I dont belive theyr big heads are going to change it now.

theyre doing this its in thed breakdown on ca website

I would like to see the Fortresses for Reikland to actually matter. Like an Impassable Object unless defeated - and better thought out. Or the Dwarf citys not just being flat - like the elven ones. Sieges should be difficult after all. Not easy.

@@SpicyFiur They'd probably do this, or at least I hope so. I think the mountain pass gates in Total War Three Kingdoms were a development of the Elven Gates and refined enough to be used generally across games. So now that they got the idea down firmly, hope they apply it everywhere wherever appropriate.

They say that this is exactly the case: different cultures will have different styles of fortifications and layouts, not just visual differences

like gccm?

Yeah, its kind of no secret a big part of the reason why they simplified sieges so much in WH1 and WH2 was because they knew that the AI was no good at them. I'm not so certain the AI is going to do so well here.

​@@jacobbellamy7640 Hope we´re wrong but CA hasn´t characterized itself for providing high quality launch releases. Most of its games have turned to be awesome with time though (W2 *hands down*). With W3 I see an incredible level of ambition so I guess we´ll have to wait more than a year to have a fully functional game xD

@@jacobbellamy7640 They've updated and improved upon the Three Kingdoms AI so that it better understands the maps, its units and how to setup its army.. At least that's what they're saying.

@@jacobbellamy7640 They need that A* pathfinding for realz

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Now the Horrors need to stack on top of one another to form a Chaos ladder, or I WILL boycott this game.

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@@jtwill930 tell me you're joking please

I'd love to see plushies of those pink horrors lol

This was one thing I hoped they actually addressed. Fine the whole ladder thing I get for technical and gameplay sense. But why not break it up with the variety of units? Why would demons use ladders when they can use magic to float up or whatever? Or Spider riders why wouldn't they just directly climb the walls? Just seems pretty like a whole lot of variety and opportunity missed for various thematic armies.

@@robosoldier11 Imho it would've been great if docked defenders at least got rocks to throw down at climbing attackers as well as gates getting burning oil (or race specific equivalents) to AoE any attckers not protected by a ram.

@@robosoldier11 Yeah or at least give Tzeentch units crystal ladder they summon with magic.

@@scelonferdi Thats a good point. Always felt defenders particularly missle units like gunners or archers to a degree miss out on alot of their effectiveness due to the angles where they cant actually see and thus wont shoot. Having the option to mess with the climbers via dumping rocks on them using certain units would be nice. Use your archers to shoot then have your melee individuals be able to dump rocks or whatever stuff ontop of the ladders. Would make the wall combat different in a total war sense and stand out for sure.

Really hope vampire counts at least get a single basic ranged unit (like skeleton archers)

@@Boehm1M U have sylvanian crossbowmen and handgunners in campaign

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They got vargheists they’re fine

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@Innocent Jogger would say just limit the number of ladders to 2 points max. with the amount increasing by building more or maybe 1 more per siege engine. that along with making it so not every single unit is able to attack the gate, maaaaybe a widened arc of fire to the towers, not quite the 360 of the past but a bit more, make the merlons of the wall more reliable so standing on the walls isn't just making the unit a target. fixed points to descend the wall on the other side to not allow troops to just rush over and down to attack anything vulnerable below and would say the walls would become at least worth considering defending in a siege instead of mounting a couple of spread out units to activate towers before retreating to street chokepoint.

@@Wildtrexkid agreed. Ladders worked better in rome and medieval II. If it ain't broke don't fix it. And while we're at it, there was no need to introduce supply points for the defenders. They could have just given them siege points like the attackers with which to build barricades & traps.

I'd prefer it if they allow you to deploy outside your walls instead, backs against the wall and archers above :)

it doesn't affect dwarfs at all, but it's worth noting that the weapons team that Cathay has were on the walls, and it does look like there's more to the rework then what we have seen here, so I wouldn't be surprised if they do plan on implementing it in some way, or other such units at the least

YOu already have the levels in the settlement, and by the way the artillery will be fudge on the wallseither way, too slow and one model upthe wallwillbe the death of them haha.

@@calebbarnhouse496 At the very least, the dockable walls within the settlement itself should have room for cannons, much like the central wall in the Empire forts.

@@SleepyFen well we can see in this map there was room to place them, however Cathay doesn't seem to worry about direct fire all that much, so this map wasn't desighned with that as a main concern

@@calebbarnhouse496 we won't see the siege update extended to the old races before Mortal Empire's releases. If and when that happens, I'm sure we'll see races like Dwarves have cities which better suit their own defensive style. It makes sense that one race's city defenses aren't designed with another race's artillery in mind, and I honestly like the idea that holding another race's city might be more difficult than your own. Though, that said, Dwarves *do* have both Bolt Throwers, Flame Cannons, Quarrelers, Rangers and Irondrakes with Trollhammer Torpedos, all of which fire in an arc, so it's not as if you're completely screwed just because the city wasn't designed with Organ Guns in mind :P

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defending a big capital is amazing, but i would love if they reworked the map from small settlements it's weird that a small village have almost the same layout as a capital

It's because the AI always sucked at them and they've never been a good and pleasant experience for the players either.

This isn’t the same. It’s the same deployables sure, save for the towers, but in Rome 2 you had to plan beforehand and place your deployables in the best spot, form a strategy around it, and then fight and see how things played out from there. Here you can build them mid battle from nothing, like it’s some base builder or tower defense. This is my only major issue, make them deployables before the battle and I’d have no issue. Total War has always been about the preparation for the battle, the setup, and then the battle itself, and this is just a weird addition that unfortunately will now be present in every siege instead of being relegated only to those special final battles like I had hoped (and like CA had said)

Maybe because most people don't have the time for a 100 one hour sieges every campaign. Sieges are nice to have, but some people hype sieges too much. They were a miserable thing in history to do, gruesome and brutal grinds if the defenders didn't capitulate. CA moved back from Rome 2 siegs because they had a 90%+ auto resolve rate. And a lot of people complained about Rome 2 sieges. Although sieges have been complained about since total war had them. It's not just since warhammer like many think (many new players).

@@DzinkyDzink Rome 2 sieges are great, deployables were the bomb. The only issue was that the pathfinding was a little janky around broken walls and such, but they were one of the better sieges in the series

the reason is very easy. the AI was not able to handle sieges in rome 2 at all. they repeatedly broke and derped out.

Again you know the AI .

Also they need to make sieges more punishing to auto-resolve. Because most of us are just going to spam armies and auto-resolve 99% of sieges. Or add manpower to actually punish players for losing too much troops or something.

It's a CA issue not just a warhammer issue. Even back in medieval 2, the sieges were easy to cheese. You could take any castle/city with 1 unit of fast horsemen.

@@Daniel_deez_nutz Yeah, you could cheese it but in the older TWs it was more fun playing the siege the normal way. Even with buggy pathing and whatnot. In warhammer it's not only easy to cheese but if you play it the way it's intended that's not particularly fun either (imo)

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@Rapunzel ♪ I wept

one of the 'mores' perhaps should be the ladder design. I mean it's not huge, but a lot of the chaos factions feel like they shouldn't have the same ladders made in nuln or zhufbar

@@Bob_games103 is this why the beastmen pay them so much wood, so that we don't find their hidden rewilding of the landscape

@@pnutz_2 an understanding was attained the ladder guild would not take sides and the empire would ignore the beastmen running across the ladder guilds cleared forests. And right they should, even Archeon fears the ladder guild management.

@@Uberdude6666 Are you seriously suggesting depth? we had this before in Rome I or Medieval 2 and all the players were absolutely over overwhelmed by the sheer complexity of this feature. Clearly unnecessary for the average player these days and way too much thinking, the game is already confusing enough as it is considering how bloated with features the series has become over all these years with more and more removed and simplified from previous games. and now you dare ask this much of the casuals again?! Dude I dont have a college degree like you calm down there I only read about rams and siege towers in school. What do you wanna suggest next? that we can actually use armies without a leader to decide ourselves where we wanna garrison units?! Or perhaps an actual building system in the settlements thats not overly lacking? pfff my brain man

@@PuellaMagiHomuraAkemi Yea I know right? It hurts just to think about the sheer amount of possibiliti- I mean responsibilities I could have

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Love your contents. So ...The (Staggering) siege of Wei Jing when?

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why would they? u will be running tw3 which will propably has them updated to new mechanics

Same question but if the new siege mechanics apply only to those who have WH3 or only applies to the WH3 factions then we might have a problem CA.

They would have to, from a mechanical standpoint. Gameplay balancing, too.

This is odd because siege towers do this, and rams as well, so why not ladders?

There are just not for every race I think I know lizardmen for a fact have their own ladders

@@rinroarpog7809 Had to check because I didn't believe it, but they actually do!? I guess that goes to show how little most of us pay attention to the ladders, that being said they are very subtle changes, I think Chaos factions need something a bit flashier and stranger to make their "ladders" look less out of place. My initial idea I had was for Tzeench having what can only be described as *magical chair lift's*, with those "flying discs" ascending between a couple vertical polls caring their units instead of them physically climbing rungs.

The top comment of this video is about fuckin ladders… you can never be satisfied ffs.

@@connorjohn5013 Hey if wooden ladders is the worst thing we can poke fun of in this video, then it's honestly pretty damn good. Though I'm surprised that's all it took to distract people from complaining about the Tzeentch roster, though I'd say they'll forget about ladders and go back to complaining about that by the end of the week (if we don't find another new thing to complain about).

@Byner Acct. Oh my god that would be absolutely amazing. All the people walking through the streets, there's the blacksmith and his workers hammering away making swords for your army. There's ships coming and going at the port, loading and unloading trade goods. There's archers practicing their aim. And that would just be for a boring human settlement. I can't imagine how cool it could be for the other races in the Warhammer Fantasy world. I hope they do add this feature back into the TW games at some point, it was one of my favourite things in R:TW and there's so much potential for it now compared to back then.

And how you could damage or even destroy them! When coming in to sack settlements I would deliberately bring extra artillery and just lay waste to things.

examining the lovely cities was a major joy back in MTW2 and Rome2, and like the other guy said i would bring extra artillery just for the destruction. nowadays everything is indestructible

Gotta bring back speech's sure itd be super rough to code with all the factions I dont care make it a dlc ill buy it

@@popepepe6042 they did it with medieval total war they said different things depending on the faction you are playing as and the faction you are fighting

Maybe not, and could take some more time. But please understand sieges in WH2 became linear as hell because people asked for good AI. I for once prefer better sieges and siege maps with subpar AI, to terrible sieges with good AI.

No it will not, Ai is there to be slaughtered. If we had good AI, 90% of the playerbase would cry on the forums that AI is too punishing XD Like when CA made Horse Marauders pretty decent at skirmishing. + really good AI able to handle complex tactics would reduce your FPS down to 1. In fact sieges will be a lot easier now for a veteran total war player as there are many new things to abuse the AI with.

I doubt it. Maybe falling back to secondary locations instead of endlessly sending another squad up to the same ace to get bolted, cometed, or Kroak'd, but I assume the AI is still going to just stand there until you convince them otherwise. Just now, Lizardmen get to have dinosaurs build barricades and traps.

Probably act similar to other total wars. The changes are more for pvp.

From today's blog about sieges. "We’ve also improved the AI, not only to handle all these new elements, but also to provide more of a challenge whether you’re attacking or defending. Flyers and fast-moving units will now prioritise useful actions like preventing sallied-out cavalry from attacking ranged or siege units. The AI also has a greater understanding of how different areas of the map are under threat, and when they should withdraw to prevent losses." "We started with the 3K AI as it provided us with a good base to work from, the 3K settlement AI had been very well received and worked well for our new settlement layouts. From there we put a lot of work in to how we author our siege AI graph to make it easier to design and more flexible to work with, which has also improved the pathfinding within settlements. With the introduction of the ‘districts’ concept via the capture locations and supply points, the AI can now separate and manage large parts of the settlement map and say, ‘this area over that area, this district is more threatened than that one.’ They can then prioritise or fall back if one is overtaken by the attacker. For the settlement battles they also know how to build towers and barricades, which is something they don’t have to do in Survival battles.” Without lots of gameplay, it remains to be seen if the changes they said they made will be meaningful or just talk.

;-; i know

That's CA for you

Given the size and general layout of siege maps in the game I'm not even sure if wall-mounted artillery would be able to hit anything outside of stuff like Mortars, ranged units already have issues with trying to hit things or their shots getting eaten by the crenellations they're standing behind.

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@@cossack9991 who hurt you?

I am sure they will manage better then your balancing....

I mean we could just get artillery on the walls AS ADVERTISED LIKE YEARS AGO... but nah man dem casuals man gotta simplify the franchise since 10 years now in a row

imagine placing a bunch of dwarves with flamethrowers on an elevated position

dwarven walls near gates should have infantry height holes for iron drakes to shoot out of

ikr.. what about the attackers?

Yea, but people will complain about the new sieges as well. Complaining about Ai and sieges in general is a total war tradition.

I loved the way Attila sieges could go with brutal street battles as you tried to funnel them and flank them

Construction time is pretty simple to tune though, we’ll have to wait and see but tbh I’m happy with any feature that exists in fullest then mods can always trim back easier then add new.

man not cool if only for wh 3

it should.

I'd rather them spend that time developing tww3 to be the best it can be

It wont be. it will be added to game 3 mortal empires map tho

it would need a rework on all of the current siege maps, so i wouldnt put my hopes high

I'm hoping at least the overlooks they demonstrated the layers with will be an option for where to put artillery. They seem to be just part of another level of the map instead of being walls, so even if artillery can't dock the way missile infantry can, at least some artillery should be able to shoot from there.

THIS! & Skaven weapon teams

Spoiler: Nope

@@TisTheWay i saw the cathay jezails on the walls in this so surely the skaven can. imagine ratling gunners or warpfire throwers holding a chock point on a makesfit wall in a side street

@@snowhazard7872 I am hoping they are able to and they skaven are not forgotten about

Legggooooo!

Ladders

I am looking forward to all the muffled music you'll have to put in when your meme is stood behind all these gates 😆

Pog

20 Ladders !

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@@isyaboi7818 maybe you can talk to a daemon for his opinion

I think the issue is that CA want to take the focus away from the walls... making the walls harder to take just makes the fight end there

Also i would have like to see the ability of putting artillery units on walls, at least for smaller artillery units like skaven ratlings and jezzails. But this is a great step in the right direction. Edit: At 0:50 you can see cathayan jezzails on the walls, so it looks like at least my dream of weapons teams on walls will be fulfilled.

@@isyaboi7818 the daemons look pretty goofy anyway lmao

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this is what im wondering too for grand campaign.

@the_Deathstr0keI hope so too !! If not it would be so unfair for the other races whenever the grand mega uber campaign map will come

Well, they better do! This looks awesome.

I imagine at the very least, the BIG old world settlements (Karak 8 Peaks, Altdorf, Naggarond etc) will get a rework at some point, but not straight away and most likely not all of them. Though they will be getting the options of barricades and other supply related shenanigans, so who knows, they might add in an extra street or 2 when altering the existing maps coding.

its something they've had in older titles, building defences in the streets was not uncommon and having internal tower points as well. the single wall made that not really feasible but i am very happy they are bringing it in.

Really? I thought it was very likely to be reused, 2 flies with one stone

@@heoj1N they had hoped to make the game much more easy for AI to handle sieges by having it concentrated on a single wall and not having so many things like in street barricades. this is a particular challenge for Total War Warhammer because of having so many asymmetrical units and functions not found in any other TW like flying units, Monsters and Magic. it didn't pan out however so seeing them giving a real effort is great to see and all on the scale of Warhammer with the whole of a city and its mega structures being included.

just as i dont like ladders taken to be used out of thin air, i dont like either how these "buildings" are getting made in minuts. i hope that race speficic defences are part of the update too.

@@Wildtrexkid As it is true that barricades and many faze defensive was commonly used in other total wars now it is the first time that in battle construction and supply system was introduced.

Easy to say, hard to do.

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you are right my friend. climbing should be much more difficult.

The wider areas of the towers also contribute to that. I definitely see Seiges being that you put your cheapest and/or fastes units on the walls to get the towers working, then fall them back to the choke point once you've got that free damage in

This looks like a shitty rework but I guess we'll see

tbf the changes to capture points will mean that you can hold more towers for longer, which may make fighting on the walls more viable as well

what I always saw people complian about was the lack of fallback points, the problem with walls is they are a little brainless, however we know little of how the stats of the walls, gates and towers are, they could easily increase the health of gates to try and make rams more viable, that would be a giant buff to the walls, wall health getting buffed is a much smaller buff, but with towers having larger capture zones that means they will be captured faster, and with less commitment, meaning they can fire and more will fire, with the maps not being the same we also can't tell for sure how the the front of the city is, it's possible we can vanguard deploy units infront of the walls, the new attacking equipment they mentioned wasn't specified so there is likely more then what we saw here

I didn't like the idea of supplies. It is immersion breaking. Why didn't the defender collect those supplies and built the defenses prior to the battle? How can they construct a tower in a minute? If they had such capabilities why didnt they collect more supplies and built a billion towers. I won't buy this game.

@@Arhatu For a reason as stupid as that? Really...?

@@wheels4lyfe Stupid? Wanting immersion is stupid? OK.

@@Arhatu Not buying a game that clearly has great mechanics and looks fun as hell because "MUH IMMERSION" is pretty stupid, yes. It's a fantasy game set in a fantastical universe. Wtf are you crying about immersion for? 😂

@@wheels4lyfe I enjoy immersion and I pay for it. Do everybody have to think the same way you do? What kind of a brain exists in your skull that seems to be a part of Khorne's throne?

It's probably just a placeholder since this is probably a beta version there using.

I know but who cares, CA has so much work to do, please don't make CA staff waste time on reworking ladders. Siege rework, better combat animation, bugs, balance, so much other more important stuff to work on!

@@myopinionbetter4287 that’s what I was thinking. Reskin ladders for each race, but maybe modders could do it

Why artillery on the walls though?

@@_greenrunner_ technically only dwarfs have artillery on walls.

@@_greenrunner_ it's because a lot of the time direct artillery ends up being fairly useless for the defender in sieges due to all the obsticles. if you could have the artillery up on the walls then you'd be able to fire them at the attacker without any obsticles for a while until they reach the walls (at which point you'd get the artillery to fall back). also in the trailers for Total War Warhammer 1 Dwarfs were clearly shown with canons on their walls so it was rather disappointing that we weren't able to do it in game (we know it can be done since it was possible in previous Total War games)

@@krystalcz9251 even then, when are you ever going to find them useful when you can only fire up to 2 or 3 shots before the enemy is on the walls?

Yeah that looks shockingly silly… hopefully its just the perspective

Ive always thought sieges in general were too easy. Id like it if both sides had more hurdles they had to go through in order to successfully attack or defend. For example, setting up artillery on walls would take a turns worth of time, meaning you could not realistically prepare properly if you were attacked without much notice. Maybe not that exactly but Im sure you see my point.

You'll have to use the 'very big campaign map', given how old world updates in Warhammer 2 have worked

It will certainly be in the Immortal Empire map

They mention in the blog post about WH1 and WH2 factions having different styles of cities. And we've seen first hand that TW2 included instances of every TW1 race on the vortex maps. i'd say those two items together make it a safe bet that we are getting the mechanics for the older races. They might reuse some visuals though; like the traps.

I would love to see a proper Greenskins fortress, with rickety palisades and wooden spike traps as their walls, defending a wasteland hill in the scorching sun.

@@crazychinese7315 I'm hoping you are right about this one. But previously CA has eluded to updates maps for TW:WIII areas and leaving old map designs for I & II areas.

Watch the AI on the Top right 1:40 The pathfinding is still broken

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Tbf, the ladders help with smoother gameplay in general and helps the AI be an actually challenge. It's weird for Skaven to be allies with dwarfs, but that still happens in the game too, or the fact Kholek doesn't literally TOWER of walls. Certain things you have to allow to make it a fun video game for everyone, casual and hardcore gamers/warhammer fans alike, so I'm personally fine with the ladders. Though I WOULD like ladders personalised for each faction, but at this point, it's just me being spoiled.

Don't worry they will fix it in TWW4 or TWW5. Patience dude.

Than*

Yawn

They did the same with Troy and talking about how you can hide troops in grass.

To clarify, I'm not talking, if these changes are good or bad, or do they even justify number 3 in the title. But the general excitement about such minor "improvements" seems stupid to me. Makes me wonder, if all these people have even played previous CA's games... p.s. well tho, if your exprience with total war goes as far as thrones of britannia (talking specifically of sieges here), then you should prob be excited lol

Dude. They didn't add anything new besides the bridges

You will still bring artillery and make any AI siege defenses useless just like in every total war that had artillery... And there is nothing CA can do outside of removing artillery from the game. Or nerf it so much they might as well remove it.

@@mcmarkmarkson7115 or even better, Don't cheese? And have fun

defense in depth has never been optimal against the AI in a total war game, if you could win with defense in depth, you could win even easier by just massing on the walls. I hope they can get it right this time though.

@@mcmarkmarkson7115 That was literally the point of artillery bro... It was supposed to crush the otherwise impenetrable defence, sometimes used to start fires or disease in case of putrid corpses. Other method of taking the keep was encircling it and sitting there for 1 year hoping the defenders run out of food.

Was thinking that. Then again this might be placeholder.

what about wood elfs ?

what i miss: layering riffles in front and crossbows in back on the same wall section

The thing im wondering is how ogres are going to siege if they dont get new equipment they'll just have to blob up at gates and get shot by ranged units

@@recruitlegionary9747 maybe something to breach walls. I really hope they give some monsters the option to breach walls, at a slow speed, but give them that. Only the single entity huge monsters I mean, giants, mammoths, dread saurians, all that

well the second point in what you miss could still be a thing, and it could probably be done even later if it's not here at launch I guess.

hopefully if its a complete redo of the siege mechanic in game all cities may have something similar or at least main capital cities. This is my hope due to how they implemented the supply and tiered system in the game. Or iam completely wrong and its just for the new factions

@@rext87able it should be an update for Warhammer 1 and 2 eventually

You are a furry, you're opinion is invalid

what can be said for CA is when they are talking about stuff they are planning to do they actually SHOW it in the game, even in clunky unfinished and 'staged' battles they let you see how stuff will look in game rather than just telling you about it.

@@Wildtrexkid True, I respect that kind of transparency in gaming industry, even more these past few years, I'm really looking forward to Cathay and Nurgle, you waiting for any specific faction?

Not to be an idiot or anything but how is this a "titanic leap"? It's just the exact same as Warhammer 2 but with 3 walls instead of 1 and some barricades.

Positive Normie

@@Arthur-jx8bm it's very different, the problem with the initial walls is that you would have to use a lot of people to activate all the towers, making it easier to man all the towers is a big deal, that means you can make a much better defense at the walls, and once your walls are down. you have the points that encourage you to to hold the road systems rewarding you with extra supply to give you towers and other equipment

There's arnt improvements this crap was in past games stop being a sucker

@@navajoalltheway Nah, more then this was in the old games. Remember the sieges of Medieval 2? Best of any total war game, by far. Warhammer Total War games really let themselves down in the sieges. So at this point, I will happily take any upgrade, no matter how small compared to past games.

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Considering this got leaked at least a day early, I'd say the youtubers will be caught off guard.

In the past the AI only recruited the minimal amount of ladders (back when they were siege equipment). That’s why it was removed. Could they fix that with the AI? Perhaps

@@_greenrunner_ yes, it would be very easy for them to fix the AI to build more ladders

Who cares honestly? This is an oft-repeated silly complaint. Why does "muh immersion" crumble when it comes to ladders suddenly appearing but not say for say... barricades that build themselves or I don't know LARGE FICTIONAL DEMONS.

@@therexbellator the trope of "oH itS FanTasY wItH maGiC It dOesN'T nEeD LogIC" is very tiresome and stoopid too. The problem of the ladders is that whats the point of a wall if the enemy can get up whenever they want without any effort. It's supposed to be a chokepoint. Yes, it's fantasy, so it's okay to have things that can replace siege equipement. A big monster tearing the walls down, spiders climbing walls, ninja rats carring personal climb equipement... and so on. That's cool. That your average Imperial soldier carries a 15m ladder hidden in his back is not.

@@therexbellator when you think that the only Problem with assladders is the Immersion you probably didnt even play WH2

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Rome was not built in a day

@@onlyheskuin1717 it was built with 15$ dlc’s

I just hope they make ai better able to navigate and use walls and strong points. If nothing else modders would then be able to improve the generic cities and special ones to make them more fun and like the sieges of old without the ai being absolutely unable to use it...

New siege maps for Cathay looks realy good but im not sure what they gonna do to warhammer 1 and 2 race cities i hope they gonna do someting about but doing full map desing for older races not gonna happend beacuse that woud take too much effort for them and they didint fix sieges like warhammer 2 and taken this long to do somethink about it i just hope best but then againg...

How old are you?

You probably won't be able to put artillery on the walls. And it's the most stupid thing one can do anyway, so why bother working on it to make it possible? Cause it's cool? I guess. And you probably won't be able to pick your garrison either because that pre made awfulness is so the AI can handle it. If 200 AI factions get the ability to pick and choose their garrison, turn times would increase by a gazillion percent.

@@mcmarkmarkson7115 Artillery would make sense on the walls if the attackers didn't have ghost ladders. It'd actually make destroying towers and damaging attackers easier. And it would look cool. Just because the player is allowed to pick garrison the AI can have its craptastic stuff. It is scarcely able to merge units and get rid of old ones but we can do that so I don't see your problem. A lot of the garrisons are not only awful but don't include a variety of DLC units that are better than the ones you do get. Vampire Count minor settlements are a good example for a bad garrison. You also run into the problem (albeit relatively rarely) of having more units in the garrison than its limit would allow and that usually pushes out more useful units like monsters and artillery, instead of stupid chaff.

I agree that would be amazing, but tbh, I think they won't go with that, simply from the fact that the ladders end up as such a small part of the battlefield. Not to mention a lot of people (not myself) hate the magic ladders anyway, and would consider it as cleaning a turd.

@@daddypudding9074 I mean the races in the first 2 games already have different looking ladders.