I have the same table and accessory kit. The basic accessory kit is enough to get you started. To tackle more complex jobs, I sunk a fair amount of money into additional clamps and fixture items. The versatility of the clamps really makes your imagination the only limiting factor. Quality for everything is first rate. Very pleased with my purchase and the value it has added to my workflow.
*You illuminated the functionality of vertical uprights well. Anytime you're cranking out multiples it's all about removing variables in production and I could see setting up and welding 20-30 copies at a time without problem on this unit. Not enough to build a dedicated jig/fixture but still a time saver and guarantor of repeatable product tolerances*
They sent it out after I reached out to them. I really appreciate the few sponsors that I work with who make it possible for me to do more on the channel than I otherwise would.
Thanks! I’ve used it twice and so far so good. I think the main difference will be fewer dings and weld spatter really does seem to stick less. It’ll take a little time to see what else stands out.
@@sammccollum2985 ya, I don’t know how good they are as I’ve never looked into them but I can’t see spending $4500 for a 3 x 4 table. That’s why I bought two of them back in the day because I figured they were going to go up in price I would not pay $9000 for two of them today that’s for sure.
@@marcanthony854once inflation is figured into the mix it really isn't much of a difference in actual costs. As long as your revenue has stayed up with inflation.
Nice new fixturing table! Kind of a shame they don't just put a tapped hole at the center so you can thread a lift eye right into it. (yes, I see the ribs only allow 1/2" engagement, unless they were cut away) Even a grade 2 1/2-13 bolt is rated at 6600lbs clamp load, lifting eyes are forged and much stronger but 1/2" of 1/2-13 thread can easily support that top.
It's great to do an unboxing, but a review would be good too. How flat is the table? How much does it deflect with a big workpiece on it? I'm guessing everyone who's in the market for one of these knows what a fixturing system is.
Congratulations on an awesome table! Love watching your videos although I can't even weld in my workshop. I have to visit some of my metal working friends for welding etc. But someday, somewhere I'll be able to setup a metal shop.
We bought ours a few years ago and absolutely love it! Since purchasing, we modified the original legs and added machine casters with built-in, ratcheting leveling bases. We're also considering the Fireball Tool 'Dragon Wagon' to compare.
The table you have is much more practical for most people. But if you want to see what's involved in unboxing a Fireball Tools table, check this out. It's a bit more of a project :) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wh4dqlkdP6Q.html
Oh, Tim, I don’t know how I missed this video. It answers my questions. It wasn’t easy to get mine in and set up either. It took me over three hours. Fortunately I have a good stacker. Though it was somewhat difficult to get the pallet out from under it. The table is really good and the accessories are well made. I have somewhat different accessories than you received. But my weakness is continually buying more of everything, it seems. What I like about the clamps is that these models and the other heavier versions that don’t have the horizontal movement in the beam, lock at different heights. I hate the fact that others tend to drop when you remove the work, and then you have to get it set up again each time. These let you loosen them, swing them out of the way, and swing them back. So much easier and faster.
That table is beautiful , but the sum of money to get it + accessories must be very ugly . I am thinking about how many years I need working on it to get back that money.
I really appreciate all of the TimWelds audience as well as the few companies I choose to work with for making this whole thing possible! This setup is going to enable some really cool project builds that are coming up on the channel.
Hi tim, I’m in the market and cannot decide between steel and cast and whether or not to nitride. I’ve heard cast is better because it’s inherently harder to weld to and dings/scratches do not cause deformation in the material. Also, I’ve heard nitride and coating make it more difficult to dress surface with stones and abrasive pads without removing the coating itself. Being that you own the arcflat cast iron as well as a steel nitride table, I’d love to hear your thoughts Thanks, -Chris
Super nice table addition to your shop. I really enjoy your channel. Keep up the projects ! One question on nitrided tables and ground. Do you ground the nitrided table or the work or both. Did you find a difference with your previous table.
Tim, I enjoyed watching this the 1st time, but dont think I can ever justify the cost, but it looks fantastic. Im watching this a 2nd time as a form of tool lust ... went to their site and noticed they have a 2x3 table for 50% off including some fixtures 😮🤤 thought some of your viewers might like to know. Very happy for you getting this awesome tool, cant wait to see you use it in future videos, thank you for sharing with us. p.s. I will be purchasing your 4 courses in the near future 😇
Great table and fixtures Tim, your time and dedication has paid dividends. keep up the good work, sharing your experience with us. Good to know what is out there. I enjoy the tool reviews, more so from someone who knows what he is is talking about.
If you have a mag drill you can make these tables yourself for less than $200 with some square tubing for legs and 7/16th steel plate. $5k for a table with some holes is ridiculous. I made mine with 90 degree sides as well for less than 200. Just as level and flat as these.
I highly doubt you’re is anywhere as good as a Siegmund. Sorry, but you’re not going to get the same spacing equality as a CNC table. Nor is yours going to be as flat, or as strong as this 0.500 thick hardened and tempered tool steel table that’s machined, then ground after tempering. Enjoy yours, but don’t fool yourself.
These are German made, extremely high quality and hard tables. It’s not that Kovosu tables don’t provide a good value option, but it’s not the same thing.
Interesting since the accessories seem to have very similar molds. Hole chamfering and tapers looks very similar as well. It’s definitely possible design is being copied by Kovosu. What’s the flatness measure? We have a Kovosu SS 304 and we have measured it to have flatness of 0.15 mm across the long length of our 4.5’ x 8.5’ custom table from them. *we paid ~$13K excluding customs etc
@@securitycamera322they’re not Kovosu tables. Many other companies copy the Siegmund tables and fixtures. Some are a lot cheaper. None are the same internally.
What was wrong with your Arcflat table by Langmuir? I think you can combine another table and make the same table as in this video….just wondering. Cheers
Great question! There’s nothing wrong with the Arcflat, but this table has a lot of advantages other than the size. The material is thicker and the holes are at a tighter tolerance, which makes the clamps sit more true. The surfaces are a consistent thickness and have chamfers ground on the bottom, which allows the use of quick mount fasteners that won’t work on the Arcflat. The table is made from hardened material which prevents dings that affect dimensions. The nitride coating keeps weld spatter from sticking. The engraved grid pattern and rulers make setups much faster. The overall quality is at another level as well. They are both a good for their price, but this system is in another league.
Can you talk about the deltas with the Langumir Table? My largest complaint of the Langumir is that they are not very thick and the BuildPro bolts don't work without modification.
My Buildpro bolts work with this table without a problem. Just get the 0.98” length bolts and not the slightly longer 1.1” bolts. This won’t tighten down without a thick washer. My Buildpro clamps work as well. I don’t know why the bolts don’t work in your table. What’s the problem?
@@melgross You own a Langmuir table? Just to clarify you don’t mean the Siegmund. My table might have a different thickness than yours. Could be a casting issue on my end.
@@alonsorobots I don’t, but a friend does. Yeah, the Langmuir table is 3/8” thick. That’s why I said to use a thick washer. Then it’s fine. The standard bolts are for approx. 1 inch total thickness. Or 25mm thickness. All these tables have 16mm holes except for the Buildpro, which is 5/8”. Very tiny difference.
Bruh, that table is beautiful. I'm slowly learning how to use mine, sure does make squares a lot more square. Fighting distortion is always a losing battle, but these tables help.
I wish the engineers and designers who draw these things would learn a little about avoiding distortion in the first place and countering it. But they show fitments with no space and scribble codes without thinking how it's going to pull.
@@jimurrata6785 I imagine that it's hard to factor in because it's so... not random, but incalculable. How can it be quantified? Maybe the tolerances account for it? I don't know, but it's one of those things that no one really thinks about unless you're welding it. I don't really consider it during fit up, mostly because I don't know how to. But I know it's going to happen, because it happens every single time.
@@InchFab I've always felt that any engineer, designer, architect, whatever... should have to work in the trade they design for (so they realize challenges and don't spec the impossible) Is there an _absolute_ amount of distortion you will get from a weld... every time? No. Too many factors like stress already in the material, fit up, how hot the bead goes down, how fast it cools down, HELL, how that particular filler rod _felt like behaving _*_that_*_ day_ But pencil pushers and button pressers can help you overcome. Or they can back you into a corner and stick a knife in your neck. I'm not suggesting that they spec an unsafe weld process or compromise the design. Just design to make that 'perfection' attainable. (This coming from a guy whose longtime friend designs and specs (as well as INspects) plumbing for the nuclear industry.
They provided it for use in videos. I really appreciate the few companies that I choose to work with because they make it possible to do more on the channel.
Yes, free for advertisement. I love how people say companies provided it for use in videos...Of course, or why else would they send it, as this all would have been negotiated over the phone prior to receiving said promotional items.
@@ChanceDeLaShyI’ve bought nearly $4000 since in extra tooling etc, I’m having Delrin Pucks made (basically Prisms) so I can do other work, like woodwork etc. I bought one then Quantum machinery told me there was a price increase coming so I said send me another, back then they were $1999 for the 3x4 kit with all the tooling and going up $500.00 so I jumped on it. Now I believe the kit is $4500 which I’d never pay it today, that’s too much for my wallet. I’m into everything I have which is quite a a bit of tooling with a used snap on tool box for,storage for less then $10,000.00, you never see them for sale used. They are great, down the road I’d like a series 28 set but for now the imperial 16 is great even though the imperial 16 has less tooling available compared to a series 28.
@@marcanthony854 You were wise. I bought the same kit for $2K. Love it. I had considered jumping on a second one at the time, but I didn't 🤦🏻♂️. Now, I'm thinking I'll snag the 2x3 package and make a 6x3. These tables are worth every penny.
Sponsor sent you the table - it would have been nice to know the cost, shipping etc. Review is incomplete without basic details. I am sure they also sell other sizes. It wouldn’t have been nice to cover those details in your review as well.
Depends on what you need “real” welders often don’t do quality work either. Go to Jason’s Fireball channel and see what happened when he went to some “real” welders and had them build some simple products. It’s enlightening. The best welders buy high quality fixture tables. It’s clear you’ve never welded.