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SIG MKPS: Possibly the Most Beautiful SMG Ever Made 

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SIG began making SMGs in the 1920s with a licensed copy of the Bergmann. In 1927 the license expired, and they began working on their own designs, the first of which was introduced as the Modell 1930. This was replaced in 1933 by a design from SIG engineer Gotthard End, using Pal Kiraly’s lever-delayed blowback mechanism. This was the MKMO or MKPO, with the military (M) long barrel or police (P) short barrel. It was chambered for 9x25mm Mauser, and was made to beautiful, exacting standards as one would expect of 1930s SIG. However, this made it expensive, and the 9x25mm cartridge never really caught on. In 1937 the design was simplified to the MKMS or MKPS, now using a simple blowback mechanism and offered in 7.63mm Mauser, 7.65mm Parabellum, and 9x19mm Parabellum. The example we have today is a 9x19mm MKPS.
Even in this less expensive form, the guns were really not successful. Only 1,228 were made of all models combined, with the most notable buyers being the Vatican Swiss Guard and Finland (who bought 282 in March-June 1940). Mechanically, they have several excellent features, including folding magazine wells for storage and several integral mechanical safeties. The trigger will not function if the receiver endcap is not fully screwed on, and it cannot be unscrewed unless the manual safety is engaged. They do not have a semiauto function, however.
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@maxkronader5225
@maxkronader5225 2 года назад
"It's Swiss, so naturally the screws are held in place by retaining screws and serialized." Having a few Swiss firearms, I can relate to that sentiment!
@dallesamllhals9161
@dallesamllhals9161 2 года назад
But does it work - if no mountains around?
@alpineredneck7083
@alpineredneck7083 2 года назад
this is the only possible way :-)
@NikeaTiber
@NikeaTiber 8 месяцев назад
...but what holds the retaining screw in?
@ZOV24-2-22
@ZOV24-2-22 8 месяцев назад
@@NikeaTibera double retaining screw……
@fernandoruiz7713
@fernandoruiz7713 2 года назад
There’s something so gorgeous about a gun that follows the rule of “less moving parts is more reliable” but still manages to be unique and genius is so many small ways
@tavshedfjols
@tavshedfjols 2 года назад
fewer
@EtherFox
@EtherFox 2 года назад
It really doesn't follow that idea, though. It's reliable because it's well made, but as far as blowback SMGs are concerned, it has about twice as many parts, moving and otherwise, than others.
@AshleyPomeroy
@AshleyPomeroy 2 года назад
@@tavshedfjols "a more smaller amount"
@liamg9410
@liamg9410 2 года назад
@@tavshedfjols bro pulled out the thesaurus on him. "TAVSHED journeys" out here
@aidensidk3273
@aidensidk3273 2 года назад
Nice reference
@toofar7493
@toofar7493 2 года назад
That is incredible manufacturing work and even crazier to think it was done in 1939. Also the obsession to serialize every part is crazy. I do love how they took one of the most simple machine guns and over engineered it.
@Brookspirit
@Brookspirit 2 года назад
1939 wasn't the dark ages, earlier Victorian engineering is also fantastic.
@georgegonzalez-rivas3787
@georgegonzalez-rivas3787 2 года назад
"Over engineering" is not a good thing (unless you're a collector). For the war effort it is a massive waste. Take, for instance, German Tiger Tanks -- they were hugely over engineered - especially compared to their opposing Soviet tanks. But the combat life of any tanks was remarkably short. So why spend all that time making every weld and gear perfect when the thing would be blown up soon? The story is German engineers inspected an early-capture Russian T-34 and walked away laughing and its crude design and sloppy fit and finish. But this allowed the russians to make a thousand of them for every Tiger tank. You need "appropriate engineering". Not over engineering.
@Tony.795
@Tony.795 2 года назад
@@georgegonzalez-rivas3787 The soviet example is the other end of the spectrum. They had to pour massive efforts and resources into tank production as well because they lost them so quickly. The ratio was 1:4 in Germanys favour.
@STG44musikmeister
@STG44musikmeister 2 года назад
The Swiss are gonna Swiss.
@brass427
@brass427 2 года назад
@@STG44musikmeister Merci viel mol!
@user-ns3vs3bp3e
@user-ns3vs3bp3e 2 года назад
There’s just something about wood stocked smg’s that look so damn pretty. Like I totally get why we don’t use them for anything but as a collection piece/range toy? Yes please.
@MadJustin7
@MadJustin7 2 года назад
They should have kept it. A mostly ceremonial SMG for a mostly ceremonial Swiss guard. Does the job and looks pretty while doing it.
@42ZaphodB42
@42ZaphodB42 2 года назад
@@MadJustin7 I bet these perform quite well, just as all first generation smgs.
@Getpojke
@Getpojke 2 года назад
@Dan Didnot The Lanchester is my fave too, but that SIG MKPS is awfully pretty.
@robosoldier11
@robosoldier11 2 года назад
Kinda got a similar look to the Hungarian SMG of ww2. Specifically the 39M.
@Getpojke
@Getpojke 2 года назад
@@robosoldier11 That's what the fore-end reminded me of, thank you.
@hendriktonisson2915
@hendriktonisson2915 2 года назад
Interestingly Estonia followed quite similar path to Switzerland in the small arms development during the Interwar period. Estonia during the Interwar period had it's own military equipment factory- the Arsenal Tallinn. In 1927 Arsenal Tallinn started to produce a copy of the German MP 18 submachine gun with several changes known simply as the A.T. or A.T. M27 (sometimes incorrectly referred to as M1923). The A.T. M27 was chambered in 9x20mm Browning Long and about 600 were produced making Estonia one of the first countries to adopt a submachine gun as a standard military weapon. In 1938 Arsenal Tallinn built a new submachine gun prototype known as A.T. M38 and it's mechanism was very similar to the SIG MKMO - a lever delayed blowback but it was chambered in 9x19mm Parabellum. There were plans to mass produce the A.T. M38 but these were cut short by the Soviet occupation of Estonia in 1940.
@gordlusty9316
@gordlusty9316 2 года назад
Details. I love details.
@hendriktonisson2915
@hendriktonisson2915 2 года назад
@@gordlusty9316 If you search "arsenal tallinn submachine gun" you can find pictures of both of these guns.
@MartinMizner
@MartinMizner 2 года назад
Nice story
@howardmaryon
@howardmaryon 2 года назад
If the “Sten gun” is the “Ork” of the SMG world, this is probably the “Elven”
@silverjohn6037
@silverjohn6037 2 года назад
Going full D&D I'd say Stens would be kobolds (clever but dangerous to be around no matter which side of the fight you're on;). Orks would be PPSH-41 (brutal but effective). Dwarves are Thompsons (heavy and overbuilt). Dark Elves are H&K MP5 (dark and deadly). Gnomes Skorpion vz 61 (small and ingenious).
@ScathingMobile
@ScathingMobile 2 года назад
Heresy detected.
@izperehoda
@izperehoda 2 года назад
@@silverjohn6037 I'd replace PPSH-41 with PPS-43 as it looks even more crude and basic
@silverjohn6037
@silverjohn6037 2 года назад
@@izperehoda Possibly, but you have to have the drum magazine for the max dakka;).
@ju87stukadivebomber87
@ju87stukadivebomber87 2 года назад
@@silverjohn6037 I get sick comparing guns to elves, I now realize I'm sort of genocidal towards elves and believe Link from legend of Zelda is the only cool one. Elves by nature are snobby for no reason and believe they're perfect when no one likes them. I don't know of one but an elf gun would be one that looks pretty but runs like it's made of Chinese plastic left out in the sun for a month. Also he said J is I in German, listen to old German music a lot but that doesn't make me an expert, but J is almost always Y. With further digging on the pronunciation of J, I think it's a typo on the gun, that's not how Germans spell Industrielle.
@Derpasaurusrex1
@Derpasaurusrex1 2 года назад
13:24 What a catch, and doesn't skip a beat, either. Amazing
@daviddavis1322
@daviddavis1322 2 года назад
Consummate professional
@Getpojke
@Getpojke 2 года назад
The fleeting look of horror in the eyes, but he kept going. I wonder if Morphy's have one of those signs saying "Lovely to look at, delightful to hold. If you break it consider it sold!"
@DrSabot-A
@DrSabot-A 2 года назад
Love that he kept the take instead of trashing it completely
@triumphstagdriver
@triumphstagdriver 2 года назад
What are the chances !? I was watching this via mobile phone that I had on a table. Inadvertently I knocked the table and I see the gun fall over!
@joshuagarzone6841
@joshuagarzone6841 2 года назад
Kept scrolling to find this comment😂😂
@dafrog55
@dafrog55 2 года назад
Oh my gosh. Its the weapon from "Saga of Tanya the evil." I recognized every "rifle" in the show but her SMG. This is it.
@sparkplug1018
@sparkplug1018 2 года назад
These are really cool SMG's. Of course we all know the most famous user of this weapon was Major Tanya von Degurechaff.
@alifr4088
@alifr4088 2 года назад
Lmao true
@theloser668
@theloser668 2 года назад
I had no idea the sub machine gun from Saga of Tanya the Evil was Swiss. Truly a beautiful weapon.
@yareyare_dechi
@yareyare_dechi 2 года назад
i think hers was the MKMS, the longer version
@cmc1517
@cmc1517 2 года назад
@@yareyare_dechi it is,but very similar weapons
@yareyare_dechi
@yareyare_dechi 2 года назад
@@cmc1517Pretty much. I think Ian literally said the only difference is a long magazine and barrel/stock to accommodate the longer magazine when folded. i know the OP wasnt saying there were the same gun. i was just pointing out tanyas was the military version
@shaggyrebel8737
@shaggyrebel8737 Год назад
My dude here beat me to it. Isekai protag: aight imma challenge God. Isekai god: Now you're a child, here's magic powers and draft papers for children.
@zynsoloris4925
@zynsoloris4925 Месяц назад
Beat me to it, and it does look small enough for Tonya to use. And it makes it's more accurately sense to how she would carry it
@IntrospectorGeneral
@IntrospectorGeneral 2 года назад
Note to self: check if the Swiss Guard still uses the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.
@martingardener90
@martingardener90 2 года назад
Brother Maynard say's No - now go and change your armour!
@hutchthelynx
@hutchthelynx 2 года назад
I just watched Saga of Tanya the Evil and i really was wondering what SMG she was using later in the Show, thank you for showing me what my heart desires!
@modus3493
@modus3493 2 года назад
“I am the way of the light, that light just happens to be muzzle flash” - the pope probably and gun Jesus
@geodkyt
@geodkyt 2 года назад
LOL
@matthewhall7976
@matthewhall7976 2 года назад
Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, hallelujah.. 😄😄😆😆
@ivanm.a9147
@ivanm.a9147 2 года назад
Amen
@hanzwillford5141
@hanzwillford5141 2 года назад
I mean they have these in the Swiss Guard armory so....
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 2 года назад
I have seen pistol barrels laser-engraved with words to that effect. At the muzzle!
@Grasyl
@Grasyl 2 года назад
"O" is for "Oben", meaning 'top' in German, it states that the MKM'O' is top ejecting.
@bikkiikun
@bikkiikun 2 года назад
The I guess the 'S' stands for "Seite" (side)...
@niclbicl
@niclbicl 2 года назад
Oh, grasyl schön dich hier zu sehen!
@Grasyl
@Grasyl 2 года назад
@@bikkiikun Yes, exactly.
@boymahina123
@boymahina123 2 года назад
Apparently the O's are also not lever delayed, but hesitation locked (like the old Remington Model 51's)
@Grasyl
@Grasyl 2 года назад
@@boymahina123 Yes bolt-head and bolt-carrier are together driven back by the blowback. Before the bolt-head can reach critical extraction it is stopped. But the bolt-carrier is free to move and it does so due to its inertia. This prevent the weapon from opening to fast to soon. On its travel backwards the bolt-carrier trips a device that will unlock the bolt-head and due to a connection the bolt-carrier will drag the bolt-head backwards to fully extract the cartridge. Genius system very save with only view moving parts with little stress on them.
@_ArsNova
@_ArsNova 2 года назад
I will say, I wish more manufacturers had used screws for their wooden handguards like this one. So many pretty wooden handguards get scraped up and damaged by sliding off really tightly-fit barrel bands during dis/reassembly.
@Allen338LM
@Allen338LM 2 года назад
The machining fit and finish on that is impeccable and even top tier ARs don't have the look and craftsmanship of rifles back in the day
@Mockturtlesoup1
@Mockturtlesoup1 2 года назад
True, but thats(at least in part) what made the AR so great. Unlike earlier designs, including AK, nothing had to be hand fitted, or filed/ground down, etc. to produce the guns. It didn't even need large factories with big expensive stamping machines. Everything was machined or cast, which made the parts completely interchangeable and easy to produce(provided you had CNC/milling machines), and perhaps equally importantly, it made them easy to repair. Just grab a spare bolt out of the bin(or better yet, just carry a spare bolt and firing pin-say in your pistol grip-and rock and role(as opposed to something like an AK, where if you need a new bolt, trunion, etc., you're screwed.) It's like the difference between a 1911 and a glock. (And yes, I'm sure you're aware of this, I didn't mean to sound like I was "correcting" you, but for some reason I just felt the need to point it out. And believe me, I too love the skill and craftsmanship put into a lot of these old guns(and machines in general), and the Swiss are probably at the top of the list when it comes to that(even though they at times had a tendency to overcomplicate certain things.) In fact, I've been saving up for a Nighthawk Custom 1911, but despite having the money, it's so hard to justify spending $4500-5000 on a single pistol, especially one I will likely treat like a baby, and only use on the range.)
@CrotalusKid
@CrotalusKid 2 года назад
Did this guy just say craftmanship and ARs? Lmao
@RockSolitude
@RockSolitude 2 года назад
Because most top tier ARs are just a random collection of overpriced parts which are then put together by someone else and then sold to you for even more money. Even if that's not the case, they are just ordinary parts which they still over price.
@randymagnum143
@randymagnum143 2 года назад
Beautiful manufacturing, piss poor engineering.
@SlavicCelery
@SlavicCelery 2 года назад
That knurling on the back is getting close to the American knurling on the hotchkiss portative LMG barrel. But that's just some of the best machining I've ever seen in a video period.
@ianfurqueron5850
@ianfurqueron5850 2 года назад
Neat gun. For anyone interested, this is Lot #1010 in the May 18, 2022 auction. Estimated at $20-30K, which seems really low for such a rare, registered gun in a popular cartridge.
@tomaspabon2484
@tomaspabon2484 11 месяцев назад
Interest in Swiss firearms is surprisingly low. They're consistently well made, beautiful and interesting in operation.
@hugebartlett1884
@hugebartlett1884 10 месяцев назад
@christhorpejunction8982 Almost impossible to find a gun in this country that actually works. Other than the HK's carried by our police.
@glenlinscheid5681
@glenlinscheid5681 2 года назад
Looking at the 6" barreled P08 and remarked at it's beauty, a guy next to me pointed at a "Judge" revolver and suggested THAT was more beautiful, and that tells the story.
@lardomcfarty9866
@lardomcfarty9866 2 года назад
This makes me hate the judge even more
@josephsnyder2333
@josephsnyder2333 2 года назад
Just love how perfectly the receiver appears to be milled, such precise calculations needed all before the invention of computers and 3D mapping technology
@liamg9410
@liamg9410 2 года назад
Im ashamed to say that it never clicked in my head that things were milled before computers were invented. I know the dates dont add up but i just never noticed 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️. Yet again, down the wikipedia rabbit hole i go :)
@KeeganYF12
@KeeganYF12 2 года назад
@@liamg9410 It's actually rather interesting and intuitive how manual milling machines are operated.
@Zues120
@Zues120 2 года назад
To be honest "modern" milling at my super duper high tech factory is using bridgeport mills made in the 60s with a digital readout attached. Do all if it by "hand" just like they "used" too! Tight tolerances arent hard to get!! A simple dial caliper can be used pretty accurately to plus minus .005. any more you'd need micrometers which are all manual anyways as the digital readout ones are like 3x the money!!
@KeeganYF12
@KeeganYF12 2 года назад
@@Zues120 Most of the machines I've used are ones from the 50s that have been converted to computer control, and all of the ones that weren't have had digital readouts.
@ernov2426
@ernov2426 2 года назад
Ian, "O" stands for "Oben" (top ejection) while the "S" from the other Version stands for "Seitlich" (side ejection).
@matthaught4707
@matthaught4707 2 года назад
Ian's got reflexes like a jungle cat, honed over many years of saving guns from falling over
@bencom01
@bencom01 2 года назад
I was about to say it looks awfully similar to the Király pattern hungarian SMG with the folding magazine, until you yourself noted that they got the mechanism from his pattern.
@Sgt_SealCluber
@Sgt_SealCluber 2 года назад
Anson Sioux's gun from "Saga of Tanya the Evil", though it mas the MKMS rather than the PS here.
@Sgt_SealCluber
@Sgt_SealCluber 2 года назад
Stupid Giggle and TouYube shadowbanning any comment that mentions the word "we" that then ends with the word "icky", even though their "fact check" banners on videos link to said thing.
@M4nusky
@M4nusky 2 года назад
It makes sens now
@obscureoccultist9158
@obscureoccultist9158 2 года назад
I dont what but something about this gun just seems so damn aesthetically pleasing.
@jenniferstewarts4851
@jenniferstewarts4851 2 года назад
The MKPS looks so strange with that snub barrel... I'm so used to seeing the MKMS version with the longer barrel. Comically this weapon isn't exactly forgotten. There are TONS of anime fans out there that will recognize this, as the Sig... Marry bought for her father, that Tanya the Evil claimed as a war prize and used through half the season + the movie, + the Operation Desert Pasta.
@sparkplug1018
@sparkplug1018 2 года назад
The Major sure did like using this SMG.
@jenniferstewarts4851
@jenniferstewarts4851 2 года назад
@@sparkplug1018 yep, though poor thing isn't a major anymore, she got promoted. She's a Lt. Colonel i think, boarding on full Col once combat options begin. She was given command of the 8th Kampfgruppe 'Salamander'. To test out the concept of a truly and fully Combined Arms Battalion.
@sparkplug1018
@sparkplug1018 2 года назад
@@jenniferstewarts4851 Yep, though when referencing this particular weapon I still call her Major since that was her rank when she captured it from Colonel Anson Sioux. Sucks to be too good at your job right?
@jenniferstewarts4851
@jenniferstewarts4851 2 года назад
@@sparkplug1018 well at least she's not a Mary Sue... thats the Col's daughter.
@sparkplug1018
@sparkplug1018 2 года назад
@@jenniferstewarts4851 Yep.
@cymond
@cymond 2 года назад
Funny side note: ALL transferrable machine guns will be C&R eligible in 14 years.
@DarkAvatar1313
@DarkAvatar1313 2 года назад
That's assuming that the "AFT" doesn't move the goalposts...
@cymond
@cymond 2 года назад
@@DarkAvatar1313 is that something they have discretionary control over? Or is it written into the law? Because there are limits to how far they can take their interpretations.
@DarkAvatar1313
@DarkAvatar1313 2 года назад
@@cymond They don't care they push their own crap all the time. Just look at the current FRT trigger debacle. By the legal definition of a machine gun the FRT trigger is not one but the ATF made a recent statement declaring that they are machine guns and will be pursuing those who sell or possess them. No legislation was passed, the ATF decided to change the rules overruling the constitution and separation of powers (the executive branch isn't supposed to pass or change laws.) As a side note keep in mind to convert your NFA item to a C&R status, you must send the actual gun to the ATF to them to study first. Good luck getting it back.
@cymond
@cymond 2 года назад
@@DarkAvatar1313 I'm pretty sure that guns automatically become C&R when they're 50 years old. Here's the FuddBusters episode ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-n7pI4Tvky-8.html
@DarkAvatar1313
@DarkAvatar1313 2 года назад
@@cymond Yeah my bad, I just double checked, the part of sending it in is for a weapon less than 50 years but still has historical significance. My point about the ATF infringements is still valid though.
@TheHylianBatman
@TheHylianBatman 2 года назад
Wow. This whole time, I thought I was crazy for my wishlist of gun features to be so long and specific. Nope, turns out I'm just subconsciously Swiss! This thing is literally perfect. The only thing I can think impractical is the folding magazine. Practical for storage and carrying, sure, but impractical for use. Maybe SIG ought to be who I read up on next.
@laszlobalint949
@laszlobalint949 10 месяцев назад
Király actually worked at SIG before the war where he licensed his delayed blowback design. He later went back to Hungary and designed the Danuvia m43, with many of the MKPS features. Excellent guns.
@chrisinstasis7986
@chrisinstasis7986 2 года назад
"An elegant weapon, for a more civilized age" (One part of that is true, at any rate)
@Hawk1966
@Hawk1966 2 года назад
Beautifully made weapon. The fit & finish are incredible. I can see why they weren't adopted by anyone they likely cost a bloody fortune and also probably took quite some time to produce.
@MrJest2
@MrJest2 2 года назад
Relatively speaking, indeed. But just right for the limited-by-treaty Swiss Guard! 😋 (Like the Palace Guards in Britain, you don't mess with the S.G. or you will find out just how deadly serious - and heavily armed - they are underneath the silly archaic uniforms and ritualistic performances...)
@Hawk1966
@Hawk1966 2 года назад
@@MrJest2 okay, but the Brits sensibly are armed with the SA80 not anywhere near obscure as the weapon featured here.
@Paelorian
@Paelorian 2 года назад
The earlier MKMO/MKPO used a John Pedersen hesitation-lock action, making them more appealing than the simplified blowback models but also more expensive to manufacture. Variants were offered in .30 Mauser and 9mm Mauser, perhaps the most powerful submachine gun cartridges of the time. Cool. Whether they're more functional than .30 or 9mm Parabellum on these full-auto-only SMGs is a matter of recoil control. I'm curious especially about the hesitation-locked models and how they perform.
@n0094
@n0094 2 года назад
I'm also curious about MKMO/MKPO and how they compare to straight blowback ones. Not sure why Ian said they're lever delayed. Also "hesitation-locked" is kinda weird name, I think "short-blowback" better describes this mechanism.
@sreebuszeebus1343
@sreebuszeebus1343 2 года назад
Tanya’s SMG
@SeRgEyYyY777
@SeRgEyYyY777 2 года назад
Technically she "borrowed" it
@subarunatsuki4145
@subarunatsuki4145 2 года назад
Taken from a Mercenary
@30inchPEN15
@30inchPEN15 2 года назад
Cultured man
@invictus3598
@invictus3598 2 года назад
An amazing weapon by SIG with beautiful design and construction. Thank you!
@morp0407
@morp0407 2 года назад
The swiss seem to have a way at making very good things.
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 2 года назад
Yeah, but they tend to grossly over work the machining, which makes whatever it is cost at least 5x more.
@ankaynavravens
@ankaynavravens 2 года назад
So many similarities with the Kiraly M39. Folding magasine, 9/25mm (at the begining), just not lever delayed like the Kiraly smg. Really cool guns!
@michapfordt1703
@michapfordt1703 2 года назад
O stands for ,,Hülsenauswurf Oben" = ,,case-ejection Top" and S stands for ,,Hülsenauswurf Seite" = side-ejection
@DrSabot-A
@DrSabot-A 2 года назад
@68K I see "Old Swedish how long using German words?" in that sentence, where'd you get this and erased the spaces lmao
@brass427
@brass427 2 года назад
@68K Excellent!
@dphalanx7465
@dphalanx7465 2 года назад
Armaguerra OG44 from Italy (with the wood stock) is a beauty.
@charlesboots6508
@charlesboots6508 2 года назад
You could do a great episode on the weapons of the Swiss Guard. Fascinating history there.
@bennyt.christensen3970
@bennyt.christensen3970 2 года назад
Hi Ian, you are a real connaisseur when it comes to gun's, and you are right, this one looks extremely good and well made.😊👍
@RodBatten
@RodBatten 2 года назад
What an amazing piece of lethal sculpture! Absolutely beautiful.
@alun7006
@alun7006 2 года назад
Hard agree - that thing is *gorgeous* in every way! Paint the stock and attach a scope and muzzle device and it'd be a perfect Star Wars blaster as well.
@77gravity
@77gravity 2 года назад
"Paint the stock" - BLASPHEMY. :)
@Kremit_the_Forg
@Kremit_the_Forg 2 года назад
Everyone that lays his filthy hand on this with the intent to desecrate it with such atrocities should be burned at the stake
@alun7006
@alun7006 2 года назад
@@Kremit_the_Forg love me some desecration...
@ShiceIceDice
@ShiceIceDice 2 года назад
Apparently the O in MKPO stand vor "oben", which means "top". Thats ebcause the gun had top ejection. The S stands for "seitlich" or "Seite", which means side, aka side ejection :)
@xhammy6174
@xhammy6174 2 года назад
It really is the most beautiful gun ever. I'm glad I got to see you with one, wasn't expecting that.
@alpineredneck7083
@alpineredneck7083 2 года назад
I have worked for Alstom on the SIG industrial area at Neuhausen am Rhein for some time. Once a while I managed to steal away from our overseers (foremen) and sneak over to the Swiss Arms guys (only three gunsmiths back then) and simply watch them work, ask (pretty dumb) questions and be amazed overall. these three quite elderly professionals welcomed me, maybe because they enjoyed the glimmer in my eyes while they machined/tooled the various parts, maybe they liked my praising them or maybe they even saw some potential in me. over a half decade later, I am in a technical engineering school with Vorere Austria being my target for the "practise month" and the armament industry my goal.
@Gabthar
@Gabthar 2 года назад
Ian, you are the most Beautiful SMG ever made.
@tomt810
@tomt810 2 года назад
Everything about this gun just looks really clean and well made.
@thelemon0001
@thelemon0001 2 года назад
13:20 Ian wants to have that gun for himself so badly, it's magnetically attracted to him.
@haroldshull6848
@haroldshull6848 2 года назад
Nice catch at 13min 14sec. Beautiful piece of equipment with a great program presented around it. Thank you...
@gerry343
@gerry343 2 года назад
I guess with all that machining from solid it was a relatively expensive gun to make. Love the safety interlocks for the end cap.
@jamesabernethy7896
@jamesabernethy7896 2 года назад
I've been saving your videos for my workout videos so haven't caught one close to release. I chose to watch this one so that I could comment. All your videos are amazing. They are so accessible, I'm not mechanically minded but you present things in a way that makes sense. Though the design aspects are interesting, my favourite episodes have been weapons with a story behind them like the PTRD-41, Green Meanie and the Pancor Jackhammer. Fantastic work as always.
@lokichoki_
@lokichoki_ 2 года назад
Neat, watching this made me think about a P90 magazine and how cool a rifle like this would be but with the p90 mag fitting at the bottom
@adamcichon6957
@adamcichon6957 2 года назад
Bruh! Build one. Maybe you will start a new manufacture? Who knows?
@lokichoki_
@lokichoki_ 2 года назад
@@adamcichon6957 unfortunately I have no room for a lathe or mill nor the money to procure them
@ianfurqueron5850
@ianfurqueron5850 2 года назад
Hmm... it's an interesting idea... but the P90 mag is really wide and square. "Wide" as in a good 50% wider than the forward handguard of my Norinco AK. If you added something for the mag to slot in to make it more comfortable to hold, it would make the handguard even wider. I have a few P90 mags and just compared them.
@lokichoki_
@lokichoki_ 2 года назад
@@ianfurqueron5850 I have yet to handle one of the p90 mags, I'd say it's feasible with a 10/22 style blowback maybe a telescoping bolt. With a polymer stock you don't need that extra mass to be strong
@ianfurqueron5850
@ianfurqueron5850 2 года назад
@@lokichoki_ oh I didn't say it's not feasible. It just might not be comfortable unless you have really large hands.
@ianbrisland1982
@ianbrisland1982 2 года назад
The attention to detail is astonishing
@stipeercegovic8333
@stipeercegovic8333 2 года назад
Beautiful vintage bullet hose :) . With such high cyclic rate (and stick magazines only), semi auto selector will really make it even more woOoW.
@balancedfordaylight1
@balancedfordaylight1 2 года назад
Man that is beautiful its too bad there would be no one willing to import or build a semi auto carbine version of this
@elijahaitaok8624
@elijahaitaok8624 2 года назад
these days we'd hop on like like hot cakes and ice cream
@wills2140
@wills2140 2 года назад
The semi auto carbine market is largely already saturated by heritage designs made by current manufacturers, hard for anyone to get in. Plus this blow back mechanism might run afoul of ATF's ruling that open bolt - blow back operated guns are too easy to convert to full auto and fall under the machine gun tax and registry.
@elijahaitaok8624
@elijahaitaok8624 2 года назад
@@wills2140 ATF is babies that need to cry some more
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 2 года назад
@@elijahaitaok8624 too bad they have the ability to end your business and throw you in jail for the rest of your life.
@elijahaitaok8624
@elijahaitaok8624 2 года назад
@@ScottKenny1978 sounds like all the more reason the ATF should be a convenience store rather than a government agency
@Gilbrae
@Gilbrae 2 года назад
2:45 The O stood for O = Oben (Top ejection). Thank you for this interesting topic. I'm curious to see you present a SIG MKMO (and see you using it for a demo of course ;)
@christoffermonikander2200
@christoffermonikander2200 2 года назад
Poor SIG. First they had to see this beautifully engineered smg loose the Swiss army contract to an over-engineered, expensive tooglelock smg that could not function reliably in the field. Then when the army got fed up with the togglelock SIG had to watch them go and buy the Suomi from the Finns instead. That had to sting.
@dphalanx7465
@dphalanx7465 2 года назад
OK, dont understand that at all. If they had a perfectly-good Swiss-engineered weapon--why buy from the Finns?? Unless it's price problems...in which case it's an example of shooting oneself in the beautifully-manufactured foot, LOL! (And don't even get me started on the Swiss obsession with stupid togglelocks!)
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 2 года назад
@@dphalanx7465 I'd put my life savings on "too expensive" For a rifle, you can somewhat get away with some levels of over engineering it, especially if your country's doctrine is highly focused on precision marksmanship. Chasing that last few % increase in performance gets expensive really quickly. But for an SMG, that's really not the name of the game. The last few % performance you are chasing there is rounds before stoppage. That said, I'd love an MKPS of my own.
@tsorevitch2409
@tsorevitch2409 2 года назад
@@dphalanx7465 it can always be due to personal gains of persons involved. Corruption and industrial millitary complex is like twin brothers
@domusdiana9379
@domusdiana9379 2 года назад
O stands for oben (top) and S stands for seite (side), where the shell left the gun after firing.
@jaredthehawk3870
@jaredthehawk3870 2 года назад
Pius XII, the Pope at the time Stalin said that retorted back with "Tell my son Joseph that he shall meet my legions in the next life."
@Spartan265
@Spartan265 2 года назад
This is a beautiful gun. It's simple but somehow also elegant at the same time.
@laugh.3605
@laugh.3605 2 года назад
Just like Tanya's gun that she takes from enemy
@michaeltempsch5282
@michaeltempsch5282 2 года назад
As to the bolt exiting rearwards on firing - there's a reason the m/45b added a hook to the end cap, gripping a block on the receiver, instead of just being a bayonet style fit as on the m/45
@Crangaso
@Crangaso 2 года назад
Classic example of old school beauty!
@dr.bethingham2939
@dr.bethingham2939 2 года назад
My favorite SMG from the past, so glad for this :]
@workingjoe898
@workingjoe898 2 года назад
Let’s assume if the Reising SMG was made with Swiss quality, would it has a better reputation?
@peterwright4647
@peterwright4647 2 года назад
9x25? Awesome. Thanks for the great episode. Love this gun. Turkish MP 5 clones use 9x21 but never heard of 9x25.
@fainterdot
@fainterdot 2 года назад
Truly suitable for a certain imperial German magical girl.
@l.h.9747
@l.h.9747 2 года назад
Häh ?
@rwps3677
@rwps3677 2 года назад
@@l.h.9747 Tanya
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 2 года назад
@@l.h.9747 Saga of Tanya the Evil, aka Yojou Senki. Tanya captured an SMG from an opposing trooper, and this is that SMG, well, the military version.
@JustinBA007
@JustinBA007 2 года назад
Imagine how cool it would be if this were in a video game and the pull out animation had you dramatically folding down the magazine.
@mister1000
@mister1000 2 года назад
Pretty sure this is the inspiration for the SMG that Tonya loots from another soldier in Tanya the Evil
@toncek9981
@toncek9981 2 года назад
To be fair if you are going to issue SMGs to your mostly ceremonial guard that's mostly wearing armour and Renaissance style clothing while holding their halberds... Why not this beauty? (Yes I know that halberd guys are just on ceremonial duty at the moment, while other guys are armed with modern stuff...)
@williamhedrick7983
@williamhedrick7983 2 года назад
Reminds me of an old-school Sig 552 commando. The way the recoil spring goes in through the rear and the charging hand was removed I almost feel like the 552 is kind of paying homage to this.
@kevinbaker6168
@kevinbaker6168 2 года назад
Very well designed and innovative design. Only thing that would keep it from being assumed to be a design of twenty to forty years later was the wood stock instead of a wire or polymer one.
@johnnyappleseed6415
@johnnyappleseed6415 2 года назад
I guess, between the SIG and the '21 Thompson SMG's, I would say the Thompson has more aesthetic appeal for me. However, I just can't imagine the Swiss Guards brandishing a Thompson without them also wearing the requisite fedora and having a lit cigarette dangling from their lips.
@adventureswithducky4088
@adventureswithducky4088 2 года назад
I love the nearly tumbling rifle, raised eyebrows, and not a beat missed in the monologue. Well done sir!
@bramster-b9v
@bramster-b9v 2 года назад
The quality and condition is excellent as we are accustomed to Swiss weapons. Real Jewel! Oh well, good reflexes
@SuperiorAutocraft
@SuperiorAutocraft 2 года назад
What would happen ... if you fired without the endcap on? Scott: *heavy breathing*
@DMSparky
@DMSparky 2 года назад
One of my all time favourites, I might be biased though since my grandfather was a SIG MKPS.
@me.ne.frego.
@me.ne.frego. 2 года назад
I would absolutely love a Ian's review on the argentine Halcón Mod. 1943 .45ACP SMG, the first Halcón, it's like a hybrid between a Suomi and a Thompson. First generation style SMG's are so nice!
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 2 года назад
I'm sure it's on his list to do, he just needs to find one he can film. And ideally shoot.
@me.ne.frego.
@me.ne.frego. 2 года назад
@@ScottKenny1978 Yes with range test! Any Halcón on his hands would be nice to see, like the ML-63 compact 9mm full auto-but closed bolt, like the ones used in Malvinas. Very nice SMGs.
@kelyncrandall7452
@kelyncrandall7452 2 года назад
13:22 gave me a heart attack. Nice catch, Ian!
@UnnamedSeeker
@UnnamedSeeker 2 года назад
Ain't that Tanyas trophy SMG?
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 2 года назад
Apparently!
@greyman0000
@greyman0000 2 года назад
She has the military version (this is for police, with shorter barrel)
@UnnamedSeeker
@UnnamedSeeker 2 года назад
@@greyman0000 yep, just as I thought
@comiketiger
@comiketiger 2 года назад
A beautiful and well thought out design. Thanks for sharing Ian.
@Friedbrain11
@Friedbrain11 2 года назад
The long-barreled version with 40 round mag. I bet it looks really good. Love the magazine setup.
@123asap6
@123asap6 2 года назад
The gun used by a certain transmigrated japanese salaryman....
@cccook4819
@cccook4819 2 года назад
one of the best designed sub's I've seen on your site from a RSA toolmaker.
@xxshamwowxx797
@xxshamwowxx797 2 года назад
Holy hell I about had a heart attack when I saw it start falling. Good save! What an absolutely fantastic looking firearm.
@robertborgeson1821
@robertborgeson1821 4 месяца назад
With a pistol grip and the original chambering of the O, it would be the best smg i could ever dream up in my head. Smaller "intermediate" cartridges seem so underused.
@aidanfarnan4683
@aidanfarnan4683 2 года назад
I love how the witness holes on the mag are hidden within the stock when the stock is folded up: the lower part of the gun looks very well sealed agaist sand or mud getting in. Not sure about that open bolt-handle slot, tho.
@Yustax
@Yustax 2 года назад
Tanya's submachine gun
@Fake_Dude
@Fake_Dude 2 года назад
The Sig MKPS is so jealous it didn't pop out of Ian's lap that it tries to go there anyway at 13:20
@kubrick1969
@kubrick1969 2 года назад
Gun Jesus with a Holy Gun!!!!
@elsydeon666
@elsydeon666 Год назад
That marking is Collinsville, IL. I saw the ns in the middle and what looks like a C at the beginning, then did a search for all cities with NS in the name. It matches what is left of the letters.
@michaelw2263
@michaelw2263 2 года назад
This thing is insanely gorgeous and so damn cool!
@kirkmooneyham
@kirkmooneyham 2 года назад
The Wikipedia article on the earlier version (yes, I know how unreliable those articles can be) states that the O in the designation was for "Oben" because the submachinegun top ejected. The later version, as in the video, was "Seitlich" for side ejection.
@genegarren833
@genegarren833 Год назад
Great SMG for sure Ian. Thanks for the incredible video. Your knowledge is incredible!
@erictucker2893
@erictucker2893 2 года назад
Coming from a machining background and being a gun nut, I am inclined to agree with the title. That thing is gorgeous. I'd love it in the old hot 9 caliber, but really any would be cool.
@poodlescone9700
@poodlescone9700 2 года назад
That is some beautiful woodwork.
@volvok7749
@volvok7749 2 года назад
A shame Swiss guns only shoot serialized ammunition...
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 2 года назад
🤣🤣🤣
@Alte.Kameraden
@Alte.Kameraden 2 года назад
Oh another SiG SMG for Tanya Degurechaff to add to her collections.
@thisiswhywecanthavenicethi8965
@thisiswhywecanthavenicethi8965 2 года назад
This weapon is known to be favored by ace mages in the "Not German" army
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 2 года назад
Captured trophy, that just so happens to use the same ammunition.
@alifr4088
@alifr4088 2 года назад
Although that one is the MKMS variant (longer barrel version)
@Redmenace96
@Redmenace96 2 года назад
Why do I always agree with Gun Jesus? As soon as the camera started crawling over the weapon, my socks were knocked off. What a precise and functional piece of art! So sad that YT won't allow the prices to be published! Very curious what the market would bear for this gem, and would like to know the number I need to set as a goal to acquire something like this. The Thompson has always been my favorite, but this little beauty could change my mind.
@mtnbound2764
@mtnbound2764 2 года назад
not only beautiful, that mag stoage design is incredibly nifty.
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