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The Sigma 16mm, 30mm and 56mm F1.4 lenses got some attention recently due to their release of Fuji X Mount compatible versions. My friend Amir has the Sigma 16mm F1.4 for Micro Four Thirds, which I borrowed for several weeks, did plenty of shooting with and here in this video I share my thoughts on the performance of this lens. In short, it was disappointing.
0:00 Intro
0:30 Disclaimers
1:10 Lens Size
2:54 Image Samples Reel 1
3:21 Soft Wide Open
4:52 Image Samples Reel 2
5:19 Lens Flaws Control
7:27 Image Samples Reel 3
7:55 Alternative Lenses
9:26 Conclusion/END
10:19 Outro
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@in954
@in954 2 года назад
I own the Sigma and use it on my E-M1 mark I. I haven't had any issues with image quality and it has been a stellar performer for me.
@dx3200
@dx3200 2 года назад
Robin, who cares that this lens is larger. I bought it before Xmas at B&H for $299. A bargain. Fast and super sharp wide open. Yes, it’s very sharp and well balanced on my G9.
@qfapodcastabouthowardstern
@qfapodcastabouthowardstern 2 года назад
And it should be larger considering the aperture. Robin most likely got a wonky lens. I remember being blown away by the quality of their 60mm f2.8 art lens and most of the reports about this f1.4 collection from Sigma have been very good indeed.
@JeffBourke
@JeffBourke 2 года назад
Yeah but is kinda a waste using an APSC lens on MFT. 25% of the gathered light is wasted.
@dx3200
@dx3200 2 года назад
By that logic every lens is a waste on MFT.
@JeffBourke
@JeffBourke 2 года назад
@@dx3200 every MFT lens is actually APSC?
@dx3200
@dx3200 2 года назад
Read Sulantoblog comment below. There are MFT and APS-C versions.
@jonathanpointer9578
@jonathanpointer9578 2 года назад
I own this lens on m43rds, it's excellent, very very sharp..
@gabmilitao
@gabmilitao 2 года назад
Hi Robin, I own the 30mm f1.4 from this lineup, and I must say it is my most used lens. I love it. It has some problems such as too much flare, and when shoot wide open the sharpness is good enough, but the AF is reliable (not amazing) and the size is not as bulky as the 16mm.
@Jason45G
@Jason45G 2 года назад
Thanks Robin. Great to see you still making useful videos for us m 4/3 shooters. I never bought that lens, but I did consider it at one point. I have never had any luck with any other makes on my Olympus camera's. Hope you are doing well. Good to see you.
@jiffijoff9780
@jiffijoff9780 2 года назад
Hi Robin, seldomly enough, but its seems on this occasion I totally disagree to the overall verdict. I have the strong feeling you had a very bad copy, maby an old or misaligned one. I personally own the 16/1.4 and 56/1.4 and both perform fantastic, even wide open at f1.4. I consider those lenses "hidden gems" in the M43 universe. Of course I agree about the size - its heavy. Btw, I find both lenses to be really CHEAP, close to the best bang for the buck to get with f1.4.
@karlrichards
@karlrichards 2 года назад
I completely agree that they're Hidden gems, I've got the complete set and they're brilliant with the g9.
@KgerShyang
@KgerShyang 2 года назад
because it is made for APSC not m43.😂
@IvarsDayLab
@IvarsDayLab 2 года назад
I have used sigma trio on olympus and Panasonic rented cameras and 16mm was my favorite one as it was perfectly sharp on f1.4. Yes it's big but a perfect one in terms of sharpness.
@Hadeseffect
@Hadeseffect 2 года назад
I have this lense and it's my main for indoor filming/shooting. This lense is hands down a must have for M43. Extremly sharp down to 1.4 no problems what so ever. Only the 360 focus trips you up some times. Besides that best m43 lense in that focal range.
@gershonportnoy5589
@gershonportnoy5589 2 года назад
Maybe it was mistake to review this used lens since it also shows some external damage, who knows what it is been through...
@BertrandVanderBerg
@BertrandVanderBerg 2 года назад
These Sigma lenses are super sharp in my experience.
@aartschutte2685
@aartschutte2685 2 года назад
Try the 56mm f1.4. That one is easily one of my favourite lenses in all aspects.
@briddoherty1473
@briddoherty1473 2 года назад
I had the same issues as you- when I bought an ex demo 16mm! A friend then gave me theirs when they were sent a new one in PR, and it's absolutely wonderful.... But it's hilariously big on my Olympus pen 😂
@AndyLSB
@AndyLSB 2 года назад
I kind of have a similar experience with the 30mm 1.4 from sigma, bought it recently to replace my Lumix 25mm 1.7 but outside I felt the same, the results of the sigma seemed soft wide open, but then compared both lumix and sigma lenses inside and after pixel peeping, I notice that the sigma was indeed a tad bit sharper than the Lumix, so I decided to keep the sigma, and already sold the Lumix but don't know... I'm confused.
@KimHojbergJensen
@KimHojbergJensen 2 года назад
Very good video! I was looking at these at MPB, but you have a good point. I have older full frame cameras and went to Olympus for the smaller size, so I should stay true to that.
@JeffBourke
@JeffBourke 2 года назад
Thanks for the HONEST review Robin. There is no point purchasing an APSC lens and cropping it down to use on MFT but all the cash for comment channels won’t tell you that. Waiting for your next video Robin. LETS DO THIS!!!
@dougcooper4917
@dougcooper4917 2 года назад
Thank you for your information Robin.
@alfonsonoriegadiaz6123
@alfonsonoriegadiaz6123 2 года назад
Thanks, Robin !!!
@wallywo7392
@wallywo7392 2 года назад
Hi Robin, thanks for the video, my experience with this lens has been very positive and I've always found the images sharp. importantly it weathersealed which is what I need in this part of the UK, however I agree with you completely in terms of its size and that's why I'm selling it, it's simply to big for m43 bokeh inst everything and my 12-40 and 25 will do me fine. thanks for you hard work.
@AGag47
@AGag47 2 года назад
I picked it up knowing I could return it within 2 weeks at the store I deal with here. I got it based on the excellent Sigma 56 F1.4 and had nothing to lose. I used the lens for preps and details for two weddings so far and it's tack sharp (used on OM1).
@johnherzel718
@johnherzel718 2 года назад
I would love to see you compare the 3 lenses (15, 16, 17 mm Pany, Sigma, Oly). I'm a bit surprised that it's not sharp on M4/3 but... I have used this on my Canon M50 APSC and it is fantastic (which is why I was surprised with your findings), very sharp and well behaved, just too large for a small body. So I would think that it would be a bit too large for the EM5 MK2 as well.
@nwrth
@nwrth 2 года назад
It's large. And at the same time it's the best and THE SHARPEST lens I own. Also, not the largest one.
@franciscocarneiro181
@franciscocarneiro181 2 года назад
Hi Robin, what is your favourite lens, between the 15mm panasonic and the 17mm Olympus ? Thank you very much for your videos. ps : I wonder if you should make another video of the 16mm Sigma with another sample... Thank you !
@TheRoadrunner11
@TheRoadrunner11 2 года назад
The 30mm and especially 56mm versions are smaller. So it's not a very fair comparison as wider angle lenses tend to be larger at the same aperture. Btw I would check for a second sample of the lense. If the great late David Thorpe said this lense was amazing and sharp wide open, then I'd check twice before saying otherwise :) Love your videos though! Keep em coming !
@kle_py
@kle_py 2 года назад
how about a comparism to oly 17/1.8, oly 17/1.2 and oly 20/1.4 ??
@JalanKesini
@JalanKesini 2 года назад
After my pancake kit lens broken, my daily lens for my epl9 is Lumix 14mm f2.5. Maybe you can add this lens as well for comparison for the cheaper wide angle option.
@Mikeshyne100
@Mikeshyne100 2 года назад
Thank you so much for this review Robin. Which would you recommend between the Pana 15mm and Olympus 17mm 1.8? I subscribe to your channel I would definitely be interested in seeing the lens comparison between the 3 lenses mentioned
@stephanelarocque77
@stephanelarocque77 2 года назад
I have this lens with gh5 and it gives very good results.
@leckywoznicki5393
@leckywoznicki5393 2 года назад
Thank you :)
@HesselFolkertsma
@HesselFolkertsma 2 года назад
Compared to APSC performance, your copy seems off. It performs really well on Sony & Fuji APSC, especially for video it is very popular.
@christinecoughlan4699
@christinecoughlan4699 2 года назад
Thank you Robin.☘🏵
@LeeHarris
@LeeHarris 2 года назад
The size of that thing is nuts.
@cliffterpher
@cliffterpher 2 года назад
Great to see you Robin
@VictorReynolds
@VictorReynolds 2 года назад
Goodness! My Panasonic 20mm is a fraction of the Sigma's length and renders better quality when opened to f/1.7. A lens the size of the Sigma would be disproportionately sized for my Pen bodies. Thanks for the info Robin!
@michaelshorts9436
@michaelshorts9436 2 года назад
I own the Olympus 17mm f1.8, which I think shows off the benefits of Micro 4/3. When you showed the Sigma lens next to the Oly, I was done. Thanks for all you do Robin.
@joeltunnah
@joeltunnah 2 года назад
The Olympus 17/1.8 is optically equivalent to the cheapest kit lens, unfortunately. Very soft and tons of CA. I recommend the Laowa 17/1.8 instead, but it’s manual focus. If you need AF, the Olympus 17/1.2 Pro is probably the sharpest and most controlled micro4/3 lens made… but it’s big and expensive.
@25palex
@25palex 2 года назад
yessss. please do it. i wanted to buy the sigma, but now i changed my mind and will buy the 17mm
@Kolegu
@Kolegu 2 года назад
I've rented this lens and I would love to have it in my kit after that experience with it, I own a copy of the 56mm 1.4 and it's a nice piece of glass, the only issue with the 16mm is the purple fringing which is very easy to edit in post...
@yaupie
@yaupie 2 года назад
This is a highly rated lens in Amazon and B&H sites so I suspect the one you tested may be an inferior copy. Anyway it's huge size does not justify the small increase in max. aperture against the other two similar lens in your review. I am more interested in the Sigma 30mm f1.4 variant of the same line. It is more compact too.
@fgrep15
@fgrep15 2 года назад
Sigma 30mm f/1.4 I purchased recently, it's quite good. The purple fringing reports are true. Haven't tested it excessively, but so far for the price and results I've been pleased.
@nwrth
@nwrth 2 года назад
I own both and the 16mm is far superior to the 30mm in terms of IQ. Both sharpness and fringing is worse on the 30 mm. It's smaller though and I still like it as my main all purpose lens.
@WiziWes
@WiziWes 2 года назад
Don't trust Amazon reviews full of paid for 5 star reviews
@fgrep15
@fgrep15 2 года назад
@@WiziWes I don't think B&H is paying for those reviews, and RU-vid reviews have been pretty positive too
@AndyLSB
@AndyLSB 2 года назад
how are you liking the 30mm ? I bought it recently to replace my 25mm 1.7 but I'm not entirely happy, there's alot of purple fringing and it doesn't seem to be that sharp wide open, I got soft results outside, I barely tested it on interiors but compared to the 25mm it looks that the sigma is slightly sharper, but I'm not convinced...
@PMS1950
@PMS1950 2 года назад
Having the three inexpensive mft 'Art' lenses by Sigma, 19mm. 30mm. 60mm., which are exceptionally good with outstanding sharpness, I'm very suprised by the the results, Robin. It's not often one gets a 'duff' or badly assembled lens, but judging by your results, and I'm getting old, the images you made using this lens were extremely sharp. I recall using Sigma lenses in the 1970s for my film camera, and wasn't always pleased with the sharpness although build quality was good. Thanks for the review - you gave the lens a good outing!!
@garyaulfinger4545
@garyaulfinger4545 2 года назад
I have the Sigma 16/f1.4 on an E-M1 II and it's sharp as can be. Maybe you can borrow another sample?
@nore8141
@nore8141 Год назад
I have the 30&56mm for my g85 and was considering this lens but after your review I’ll look at the 15mm. Great video and commentary thanks 🙏
@devroombagchus7460
@devroombagchus7460 2 года назад
I completely agree with you. There is no point in using an oversized, not very sensitive lens on a m43, unless it has a spectacular feature.
@JeffBourke
@JeffBourke 2 года назад
Not only is it oversized but half of the image projected is wasted and not picked up in the sensor. It is an APSC lens being mounted on MFT with a crop. Like mounting full frame e mount on APSC body.
@corykphotography
@corykphotography 2 года назад
i have the f2.8 ART trio lenses from sigma and really enjoy the 19mm and the 60mm. i am currenty selling my 30mm f2.8 as i am not impressed. the starburst effects though are great on all my sigma lenses. as for the f1.8 trio, i am only interested in the 56mm. as always, great video Robin!!!
@mvhan911
@mvhan911 Год назад
I think sharp or not the three times size and weight penalty are a show stopper anyways. I would like to see comparisons between sigma 56mm 1.4 and Olympus 75mm 1.8. Focal lengths slightly different yes but sigma is cheaper and weight and size are very similar almost the same and bokeh effect probably also very close.
@RobShootPhotos
@RobShootPhotos 2 года назад
Something I don't like about that Sigma series is the rubber ring. I called it about getting dirty and nasty looking after a lot use and the copy you are using shows it. That's a bit of a surprise about sharpness since this was built around an APS-C sensor first. That probably adds to the size. I can't speak on the 16mm but my 30mm is very sharp. Even though it is big, it's my go to prime lens.
@MarcinMarchwiany
@MarcinMarchwiany 2 года назад
Very nice photos Robin! Make me miss Malaysia and SG...
@MaxMRasmussen
@MaxMRasmussen 2 года назад
I got his lens. It works a charm. I have no problems with it. Do buy!
@rafaestevez
@rafaestevez 2 года назад
Please compare the Sigma with the best quality/price lens there are for me. The Panasonic/Leica 15mm.
@DeMorcan
@DeMorcan 2 года назад
I have thought the same. I did try it before getting a 15/1.7. The 30/1.4 and the 56/1.4 were very sharp and good lens. The 16 just did not stand up. Of course the 15/1.7 requires a 2A UV filter to get rid of all the purple and low contrast when used on an Olympus with some light sources. And of course they do not make the 2A UV filters any more.
@joeltunnah
@joeltunnah 2 года назад
Tiffen still makes 2A UV filters. B&H sells them in just about every size.
@DeMorcan
@DeMorcan 2 года назад
@@joeltunnah Thank you.
@apislapis
@apislapis 2 года назад
I'm really surprised that you didn't find the Sigma to be sharp in your findings. I own an APSC version for my Canon M50 and to be honest I find the lens to be sharp. I agree this is not an M4/3 lens, it is a ridiculous size. It's an APSC lens although, I still find it a shade too large even for my M50. It weighs a ton which means that when mounted on the M50 it's front heavy and not well balanced in the hand. It is the reason I bought an EM-10 because I wanted a portable camera system, not a gym workout.
@irishrose89775
@irishrose89775 2 года назад
Great review Robin. Lack of consistent sharpness in lenses is not good for a manufacturer such as Sigma. Bad quality control says a lot! Thanks again and be safe!
@joeltunnah
@joeltunnah 2 года назад
@@StephenStrangways if you shoot test charts and zoom to 200% to pick lenses, you will see “sample variation”. I own 20 Olympus and Panasonic lenses, they’re all good. I don’t shoot test charts, and I view photos in print and full size on screen.
@mikejankowski6321
@mikejankowski6321 2 года назад
I think you just did provide the lens comparison. Briefly and succinctly. I guess the only reason to consider the Sigma would be for the starburst that you showcased, if the other lenses don't provide an equivalently dramatic image. Price could be a reason to choose the Sigma, if it were way lower and worth the optical and space sacrifices. Or is it weather sealed at a lower price point than the OMDS Pro line? But I think you covered it adequately and I know I will not be looking into the Sigma. So is your friend going to trade this one in when he gets it back?
@weisskm
@weisskm 2 года назад
Robin you must have a bad copy. The Sigma 16mm is far superior to my Olympus 25mm 1.8 at even when compared at 1.4 vs 1.8. The Sigma is very large but the benefit of the size is that on a MFT it only uses the center of the lens as it is designed for a APS-C sensor - you get the benefit of the "sweet spot" of the lens in the center. Even compared with the Olympus at f4.0 vs the Sigma at 1.4, the Sigma is sharper.
@kaptnwelpe5322
@kaptnwelpe5322 2 года назад
Thanks for the review. But there should be no barrel distortion as the MFT sensor doesn't fill the circle of light which is designed for APS-C... . But I too don't "get" why buying into MFT other than video if not for its compactness.
@joeltunnah
@joeltunnah 2 года назад
There are a lot of reasons to buy micro4/3 other than size. Lens selection, video (as you said), file sizes, 7 stops of image stabilization, features (live ND, star AF, high res mode), ergonomics, customization ability, overall system price.
@user-dc9to4hd9u
@user-dc9to4hd9u 2 года назад
I interest in Olympus 17mm F1.8 and Panasonic 20mm F1.7 . Please you compair aboth of lens in next content.
@joeltunnah
@joeltunnah 2 года назад
Oly 17/1.8 is soft and overpriced. Panasonic 20/1.7 is sharp and cheap.
@oscarhagelberg7895
@oscarhagelberg7895 2 года назад
I dont care about the size if the image quality is good and it really is, even at 1.4. Get a new copy. The best lens I own for 4/3 is Samyang 135/2.0 built for full frame. Big and heavy but with amazing optical performance.
@joeltunnah
@joeltunnah 2 года назад
I own that lens too, it’s not that heavy actually, as far as 135/2 lenses go.
@kissu_io
@kissu_io 2 года назад
What about the price difference tho? Easy to say that a lens is better is 2x/3x the price of the other one.
@michael2gen
@michael2gen 2 года назад
thats a great lens...
@jacuswoczega9180
@jacuswoczega9180 Год назад
This is general problem, especially wide, designed with heavy engineering for APS-C, which is overengineering for m4/3 (worst is fullframe project 12 or 14mm with m4/3 mount - 500 or 700 grams)
@Truth-Spoken
@Truth-Spoken 2 года назад
Hi robin, just subscribed your channel since your Sharp Aquos R6
@gaoldias
@gaoldias 2 года назад
Hi Robin. I agree that this lens on a micro four thirds camera is too big. I have the Sigma 19mm F2.8 and the Sigma 60mm F2.8 and although they are slower lenses, they are small enough for good balance and are discreet enough for street work. They are also very sharp.
@tapasyatyaga4041
@tapasyatyaga4041 2 года назад
Are you some kind of ambassador for Olympus or Panasonic?
@joeltunnah
@joeltunnah 2 года назад
Not anymore!
@clintjohnson2460
@clintjohnson2460 2 года назад
This lens has always perplexed me... At least as far as size and construction elements. It is almost twice as long as the 56 1.4 that I have for micro four thirds. Possibly it's a result of having to try to cover multiple formats and multiple brands.. not sure why it has the design that it does. Normally this lens has a very very high rating though as well as the 56 1.4 and the 30 1.4 from the same lineup. From the other comments it looks like I'm not alone and thinking that you may have a copy that has either some construction problems or has a lot of miles on it. But yes I have the 15 1.7 Panasonic Leica and would never think of replacing that with the sigma lens which is a reason why I don't own it. Conversely, the 56 1.4 is so good that I've decided not to buy the 75 mm 1.8 Olympus (it would be hard for me to imagine a sharper lens)...go figure..!!
@joeltunnah
@joeltunnah 2 года назад
Most third party lenses - including Sigma - are repurposed old dslr designs. They’re made for a ~50mm registration distance, rather than the mirrorless ~20mm. That’s also why they’re odd focal lengths like 16mm, 56mm, etc.
@user-if2mh8en2g
@user-if2mh8en2g 2 года назад
WHat about price?
@d-hell
@d-hell 2 года назад
Bad Copy Syndrome. This is a sharp lens, has excellent ergonomics and makes for great balance on larger mft cameras.
@joeltunnah
@joeltunnah 2 года назад
I avoid lens companies where people routinely talk about getting “a good copy”. They should all be good, or there’s a QC problem.
@d-hell
@d-hell 2 года назад
And which companies are these, that make 100% perfect samples? Also, a bad copy may be a result of poor treatment. Furthermore there is a thing called lens variance, which can be a factor. Even Leica makes bad copies.
@joeltunnah
@joeltunnah 2 года назад
@@d-hell I own 20 Olympus and Panasonic lenses. No “bad copies”, and I’ve never returned a lens for any reason. I also don’t shoot test charts or zoom to 200%.
@Mirckl
@Mirckl 2 года назад
I love my sigma 16mm and 30mm 😁😁
@TheNarrowbandChannel
@TheNarrowbandChannel 2 года назад
Thank you for your honest reviews Robin. This is why we can trust you, if a product has a problem you will mention it.
@joestrahl6980
@joestrahl6980 2 года назад
Robin: when you do the comparison Oly 17, Panny 15 with the Sigma 16 MAKE SURE you use another copy of the Sigma in the event that the lens you borrowed was faulty. If you have the time, interest and energy, in the future you could compare the Sigma 30 with Oly and Panny similar lenses and then the Sigma 56 with similar focal length lenses from Oly and Panny. If that is too much to do, how about a collaboration with Matti S and Peter F to spread the work around ? Cheers and keep up the good work from one of your subscribers.
@reflexfilms
@reflexfilms Год назад
i think you might have a bad copy - i shoot with Panasonic Gh5 alongside full frame S5s The 16 is my go to favourite lens on the Gh and allows the image to sit alongside the BEAUTIFUL S5 with Pro lenses. I am sure you have a bad copy - This 16mm lens and the Laowa 7.5 - is the main reason i wont move on from micro 43 entirely - its too easy and nice to work with and the shots cut in with full frame very nicely - my use case is for video production though - not photography.
@dp8460
@dp8460 2 года назад
I have a TTartisan 17mm f1.4 and its smaller than this and probably sharper than this wide open.. though its manual..
@cars291
@cars291 2 года назад
I agree - what is the point of this lens aside from catering to Sigma fans. That said variations in quality are a thing on third party lenses and have been for years. I am sure your testing was properly done and adequate. On other hand - your work looks great on youtube even with this copy of the lens.
@petersmitham8273
@petersmitham8273 2 года назад
While I agree it isn’t an ideal lens for an Olympus camera you’ve obviously got a tatty old specimen, witness the the ‘white deposits’ in the grooves of the zoom controls…..god knows what it’s like inside?…..
@EdKrisiak
@EdKrisiak 2 года назад
A better comparison would be to the Olympus 17 1.2 .I do not have the lens so I can not comment on sharpness. I can say the Sigma 30 1.4 is a sharp lens. Maybe try another copy. Thanks for the video:)
@Lordvader330
@Lordvader330 2 года назад
Nice review. In all my years of photography I have never found any third party lens that was any good. There is a reason they are cheap.
@jonjones3592
@jonjones3592 2 года назад
Please elaborate with some facts, please.
@eternaleden3014
@eternaleden3014 2 года назад
Om system 20mm f1.4 review please. if you ever can my good sir ☺️
@juanjeperez6167
@juanjeperez6167 2 года назад
I own the Sigma 56mm 1.4 and it's as sharp wide open as all the 9 olympus pro lineup lenses that l have used...🤔
@FelipANadal
@FelipANadal 2 года назад
I have this lens, it is very decent at f1.4, I wonder if you unit has some kind of problem. I wish Olympus made a weather sealed version of its 17mm f1.8, until then I must settle down with this Sigma.
@kevinchan2244
@kevinchan2244 2 года назад
No surprise, he wrote a review about this lens years ago.
@glenwilson7479
@glenwilson7479 2 года назад
Have to admit i agree with Robin - with photography at least. Absolutely love this lens for shooting video - GH5 and Em1X, but have been extremely disappointed with the photo results from this lens.
@Lauren_C
@Lauren_C 2 года назад
Good lord, I thought the chromatic aberration on my Rokinon 50mm F1.4 was bad. You have to at least crop in a bit for it to stick out. This lens, it’s pretty horrible at F1.4. The photo at 5:03 shows a lot of green fringing around the building.
@toneloc90
@toneloc90 2 года назад
I haven't owned the MFT version,but the Sony and Canon versions were definitely chonky on my cameras. I couldn't imagine using that on my GH5 or G7, front weighted for sure.
@marcusrahmel3121
@marcusrahmel3121 2 года назад
Unusualy, I need to disagree this time with you Robin. I got the 16 mm F1.4 as well and I am happy with its performance. At F1.4 I do not have such bad images like you showed in your video! And please bear in mind, you can get this lense with discount for less than 350 Euros. For me it is really worth buying it.
@lvca.avellino
@lvca.avellino 2 года назад
I Have for video..
@lensman5762
@lensman5762 2 года назад
I am glad someone else thinks like me that most of these ' modern ' lenses have grown so large that they border on ridiculous. I was watching a clip from one these young ' fashion ' photographers wielding a Sigma 35mm F1.4 DG DN. The thing is as large as the old 24~70 of yesteryears for DSLRs with a price to match. What a joke.
@russianvodka746
@russianvodka746 2 года назад
You Back! YEEEEEE
@Jackamat
@Jackamat 2 года назад
I have recently moved to Sony APSC, and after buying the famed 70-200mm F4 G, I soon took it back and replaced it with this lens. The Sigma 16, 30 and 56 trio and some of the sharpest lenses I've used and absolutely destroyed Sony's G lenses that I put them against
@bakermantube
@bakermantube 2 года назад
I use the 17mm 1.8 Olympus lens on a Olympus Pen-F and I am so happy because it's a great combo and the lens is fantastic. You are absolutely right with your critics about this Sigma lens.
@ravineelakantan6417
@ravineelakantan6417 2 года назад
Excellent points Robin debunking the myth of this lens and its Bokeh as claimed by many reviewers...what is the point in having a Bokeh when crispness of the main subject is lacking when wide open.
@the_duke_of_bork8702
@the_duke_of_bork8702 2 года назад
Bokeh is excellent, except it occurs at the point of focus...
@jiffijoff9780
@jiffijoff9780 2 года назад
Haha, lol... 😁 Jokes besides, I think Robins copy was just a bad one.
@1957PLATO
@1957PLATO 2 года назад
So bulky even on an EM1. Not considering it.
@robertcudlipp3426
@robertcudlipp3426 2 года назад
This ,and the Sigma "trilogy" of 1.4 lens, originally designed to fill in the yawning gap in the Sony apsc series cameras, have received nothing but the highest praise since being released. I own the 16 1.4, 30 1.4 and the magic 56 1.4. All 3 lens offer sharp focusing, sharp edges and overall first class performance. They are also excellent value for money. There must be a fault with your copy, as this is the only, yes, only negative review of a lens from this Sigma range that I have ever read. May I suggest you obtain another lens for testing.
@joeltunnah
@joeltunnah 2 года назад
32mm, 60mm, and 112mm (equivalents) are a very odd “trilogy”.
@JimNicholls
@JimNicholls 2 года назад
Excellent photos as always, Robin, and the lens definitely shows softness wide open. Most people seem to think you had a bad copy, which may of course be true, but other than cost I can see no reason why an Olympus user would buy it anyway.
@dawidwolnik628
@dawidwolnik628 2 года назад
yes pleas
@joeltunnah
@joeltunnah 2 года назад
I fell for the Sigma hype back when I was shooting Canon dslrs in the 2010s. I usually had to give their lenses up to +20 AF adjustment (the max). None of my equivalent Canon lenses needed any adjustment. They’re really overpriced for what you’re getting. I’ve had much better luck with Samyang/Rokinon, for half the price.
@jalakanen
@jalakanen 2 года назад
It is too big and there is also sigma lottery.
@WhoIsSerafin
@WhoIsSerafin 2 года назад
What? I had that lens for two years before I finally got 17mm pro. It’s a stellar lens and very good at 1.4 and I would have kept it if it had true weather sealing. The Olympus pro version is better but nothing significant
@joanantonim.p.2400
@joanantonim.p.2400 2 года назад
👌👍👍🙏 👋🙋
@petercardow2083
@petercardow2083 2 года назад
I strongly disagree... I haven't had any issues with image quality on my sample, it is sharp from corner to corner at f1.4. I also disagree the size "issue".
@MrGracham
@MrGracham 2 года назад
How can you disagree with a fact of its size? Delusion?
@Bunnyisms
@Bunnyisms 2 года назад
I think that lens was probably designed for that larger image circle, so the resolution of that lens is a lot less than what we need for Micro 4/3. For those smaller formats we use, we need super high resolution lenses to make the most of the sensors we use. For example if I took one of my large format Nikkors for my large format 4x5 camera and used it for even full frame, the resolution is not as good as an actual lens designed for full frame. It's too bad because if Sigma really designed that lens specifically for micro 4/3 we would actually get better image quality and a smaller size.
@joeltunnah
@joeltunnah 2 года назад
That’s a myth. I’ve heard Tony Northrup make that claim also, that putting a full frame lens on aps-c, or aps-c on micro4/3 results in worse sharpness and image quality. Yet if you look at lens test sites like lenstip that do that exact test with many lenses, you consistently see the opposite: the smaller sensor sharpness results are always much higher at the frame edges.
@Bunnyisms
@Bunnyisms 2 года назад
@@joeltunnah You will maintain sharpness across the frame because you are punching out the center of the image circle and using that, but if you go into the lenses themselves and measure the actual resolution across the frame on the sensor end, the lenses really don't resolve as well at that level. It's more pronounced the bigger the format. Some of these lenses were never designed to resolve such fine detail at the pixel level, especially if we are looking at the really small pixels involved. My Olympus has 3.75 micron pixel pitch and my Nikon has 5.97 micron pixel pitch. A lot of places cut corners and only design lenses to resolve reasonably to a certain level. For Olympus cameras they need to resolve well enough for the high resolution pixel shift. A lot of my full frame lenses just don't resolve that high, and my large format lenses for my 4x5 view camera certain don't. My uncle was using Hasselblad lenses on a Nikon, and now with our digital sensors, the weaknesses of those lenses and their difficulties resolving the pixels on the sensor are now very clear. Not to mention that the lenses are slower and way too bulky. Then you have my Olympus TG-6 which has 1.5 micron pixel pitch and a lens that goes past 1:1 magnification. The lens on that is made to really resolve that sensor, and you can see the hairs on flowers. I even use it to photograph the serial numbers on Apple watch bands (they all have a serial number on the central metal button on the piece that slides into the watch). With this Sigma, I think they really cut cost by designing it purposely to a lower resolution or lower tolerances and assuming it would work, but even on APS-C, I'm not sure some examples adequately resolve the sensors we use now. I care about the resolution because I also do some things where I document nature and other things very close up. Lenses need to have good resolving power for what I am doing. A lot of my non critical work I care less about, but for some people it matters in a big way
@joeltunnah
@joeltunnah 2 года назад
@@Bunnyisms lenstip measures “the actual resolution across the frame at the sensor end” (what other end would you measure it at?), and an aps-c sensor outresolves a full frame sensor, with the same full frame lens, every time. You may find an example where that isn’t true, but I haven’t seen one yet. Also the tests show that diffraction starts at f/11 (actual, not equivalent) for all formats, unlike the internet myth that you have to use the crop factor.
@Bunnyisms
@Bunnyisms 2 года назад
@@joeltunnah the reason for this is because they are not hitting the resolution limits of the lens. They are hitting the resolution limits of the sensor. APS-C often uses a much finer pixel pitch. For particular lenses, modern ones especially, they will out resolve the sensors you put them on at the native resolution. Diffraction is based on the sensor resolution and pixel pitch, not the lens resolution or format. Apparent diffraction is a different sort of story. Apparent diffraction is also based on the amount of enlargement for the final print. For micro 4/3 we need to enlarge more to get the same final print than we do on medium and large format. This is why diffraction becomes far more apparent much earlier. So at the sensor, diffraction is always the same, but with smaller formats we have to account for all the enlargement when printing or displaying. I find a lot of their measurements to be great experimental data, and I use it to corroborate my own data from my own measurements, but when you actually use the equipment and you produce work for sale, you see flaws and undesirable stuff start creeping in a lot sooner because of the amount of enlargement needed. In real life use there are many other practical considerations that affect lenses. On Micro 4/3 I tend to stop down less because I don't need to stop down as much. On larger formats I stop down more because I don't get as much depth of field for angle of view. This is for the same picture. I may be stopping down to f16 on my large format camera for the same effect as what I get from a much wider aperture on a smaller format. I also use lower ISOs on micro 4/3 because I can get away with it since my aperture is open wider. Many of my full frame lenses do not have great resolution at the apertures I'm using on my micro 4/3 lenses. The lenses are made to have certain characteristics in certain parts of their performance envelope, and it seems to be a better experience using them in their performance envelope. I do not like using full frame, medium format, or large format lenses on my micro 4/3 equipment because of the size and weight. They also are slower for the same size and don't allow me to use my micro 4/3 equipment in its "happy envelope." Putting super wide angles for full frame on the micro 4/3 often makes for even worse results. I can compare a 20mm full frame lens to a 20mm micro 4/3 lens, and I'm definitely getting more out of my micro 4/3 lens. It's faster and I have a much sharper picture with fewer apparent or distracting flaws. Lenses purposely made for micro 4/3 can often produce images that stand up better to the enlargement needed for printing. I have Olympus pro lenses and some other nicer micro 4/3 glass, and it's a night and day difference compared to my adapted lenses which I generally use natively on the format they were made for instead of adapting.
@joeltunnah
@joeltunnah 2 года назад
@@Bunnyisms oh maybe you misinterpreted me, I’m definitely NOT arguing that full frame lenses are a better choice for micro4/3! I completely agree with you. The native lenses are always my first choice. In some cases though, like 12mm, the Olympus and Panasonic options are simply too expensive for me. I’ve been very happy using the Rokinon 12/2 manual focus lens instead, which was $250 USD. It’s sharp enough.
@weisserth
@weisserth 2 года назад
The Sigma is - as you said - not a Micro Four Thirds lens. Slapping a MFT mount on an APSC lens does not make it a MFT lens. Given there are so many more and better options for MFT at that focal range, it’s a mystery why Sigma even offers this lens with a MFT mount.
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