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When you changed to the 512Mb memory, you wouldn't see much of an increase in speed since you went from a single dimm, to a single larger dimm. Both of those memory configurations were running all of the memory on a single memory channel. If you were running 2 256Mb dimms, 1 in channel A slot 0 and the other in channel B slot 0, you could run in dual channel interleaved mode, and it would run faster.
This is awesome... I am currently working on some 80's style new and original arcade games that will run using PC hardware in dedicated cabinets... this is great stuff!!!...That looks like a DQ965gf Intel board!!! Thats exactly what i was thinking of using... I hold 8 gigs of ram!!!.... This is exciting to see!!!.....If its the actual number you called out that's okay too... They are brothers anyway!!!!
you could use Acronis True Image for drive cloning. It is paid software but you do get what you pay for. i've used acronis for years for both personal and professional use. It's also very easy to use.
I was going to suggest this too. I can't imagine the game being that big. So if you can image the partitions, and its under the 5-ish GB mark. You may end up with a good image.
I'll have to try that Scott, is it able to do part of it and not worry about the 'free space' at the end of the drive? I kind of stumble through this cpu stuff, i'm not that familiar with it.
Joe's Classic Video Games I just use one of these to copy my golden tee and silver strike drives. Just make sure what you copy to is the same size drive or bigger. FIDECO USB 3.0 to Dual Bay SATA Hard Drive Docking Station for 2.5/3.5 Inches HDD SSD, Sata Dock with Duplicator/Offline Clone Function, Support 2 X 12TB, Tool-Free www.amazon.com/dp/B07XR8KSV4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_OphoEbNB4QV51
The mainboard is ~17 years old. It is always a good idea to pop off the northbridge and southbridge heatsinks and apply new thermal paste, otherwise it might overheat without proper stress testing and monitoring the temp. Same for the GPU. And properly open up the complete PSU unit for a proper cleaning of dust.
One note, and I couldn't tell for sure about this, but for vacuuming computers and other sensitive electronics you want to be super careful (or get a dedicated electronics vac): a static charge can build up at the nozzle of the vacuum cleaner and kill what you're trying to clean! Pretty neat that it is a bog-standard PC, and a pretty low end one (even for 2007) at that.
18:29 Tip for you when you use older hard drives. Check S.M.A.R.T status (hard drive sentinel, free and easy software) to get an idea of what the health is of the drive. Because the drive might have 10 years power on time and I can tell you these Deskstar drives are not for nothing called Deadstar lol. You can easily make a copy of the disk and install a new hdd or ssd. Telling you this because the used disk might really soon fail or get bad sectors and linux will not boot anymore. Keep up the good work👍
I have a silver strike bowling and Golden Tee arcade game that the Golden Tee was working and then stopped. When I turn it on it displays a no signal sign makes a clicking noise and then shuts off. Do you happen to know how to fix this? The bowling part never worked but I'm not worried about that at this point I just want the Golden Tee to work again. Any and all help would be very much appreciated.
Some of the hard drive games have a unique partition setup with multiple copies of each file at different locations on the drive. I know SF Rush, SF Rush the Rock and Rush 2049 have 3 copies of the data for each file so if there is a bad sector it is more likely to be able to recover by itself. I started to write a utility to repair them long ago but then people just started posting the hard drive images online which made it pointless... but it was interesting...
Thank you for the info, I had never heard of that but I had seen some that can repair themselves so I always wondered how they did that! Thank you for watching 10100rsn!
No mate, L-Cache is on the CPU. hasn't been on the board since the mid 90s If you want to move the Silver Strike disks SSD, just use something like CloneZilla or any Linux Live system with GPARTED to clone the disks, you could get away with now cheaper 128GB SSDs. .. or use HDD Raw copy to do it to an SSD instead...? /dev is for Devices not Developer..
@@LyonsArcade I'd also be going with Clonezilla saving/restoring with the drive connected via sata so it would be much quicker. Its a similar sort of concept to most imaging tools, backup to image/restore from image/disk to disk etc. The good news is its all free and can be easily booted off a usb stick (clonezilla live) although it does help if you know a bit of linux and is more text based menu than a slick windows gui app. I'm not sure how it would handle bad sectors but you can at least try it for free.
CR2032 is a common battery used by computers even to this day. This is a common low cost PC motherboard flashed with a custom BIOS boot screen, it accepts Pentium 4 and Celeron CPUs. They're also notorious for failing capacitors (we in the IT field call it the Capacitor Plague). Failing caps are common on motherboards manufactured between 2000-2006. The L2 cache is built into the CPU. Yes, you need to put one stuck in A0 and one stick in B0. The hard drives are using SATA. To copy the hard drive, I too recommend Clonezilla Good call imaging the Hitachi. These Hitachi hard drives are very unreliable and breaks easily.
@@LyonsArcade just yet the adapter and make sure the SD card size is as close as the original. Clone it from a to b and your set. I've done multiple silver strikes and Target toss pros. Just one more new component for a selling point.
@@xyrzmxyzptlk1186 Hard drives are still intertwined in tech now a days. Id bet there are more old style hard drives clicking away than solid state. Between laptops,pos systems in stores and server farms and everything else.
@@xyrzmxyzptlk1186 I don't have the has to be stock idealism. Just saying there's still a ton of the old drives running. I'm a large fan of the s.s. drives buddy.
This has gotta be one of the coolest careers lol I noticed the power supply fan wasn't spinning, might be a problem down the road.. Some modern ones are temperature controlled, but I'm almost sure none of these old ones are. Also, seconding what everyone else has suggested about getting a hard drive dock and Acronis TrueImage, and moving to SSDs if possible :)
@@LyonsArcade weird! could be a nasty bearing or something. I noticed it at around 12:05 while the other fans are spinning... it definitely looks like it's not moving, but I could be wrong ofc I've never seen one from that period that's temperature activated, it's even still an uncommon feature on modern ones. can't imagine they'd have cared about the noise in a cabinet in an arcade
Thos boards are made for Intel and marketed as Desktop boards. That model is pretty solid. It is exactly what you said, it is a PC and with the right amount of RAM you could even run Windows on the bugger. It really is just a PC with some fancy IO boards. CMOS errors is the CMOS battery being dead. You were spot on there. They can't screw you with the serial number. The only difference between this PC and the standard desktop version is a slightly modified BIOS. All that Cache memory is on the Processor. To run RAM in Dual Channel, you have RAM of the same type and size spread across each channel. They have low spec RAM on this board, but the board will be happy enough with that. With these, the hard drive is one of the main components. Thats what would contain the program :). Just as a note. On most of these BIOS setups, you can type the number in using numeric keys rather than just arrowing through. Those Hitachi Deskstars are so reliable, but after over 10 years they may start giving issues. They are SATA drives. Solid State is pretty easy, you just ghost the image from the HDD to the SSD and watch the darn thing fly as the SSD's are so much quicker. Another BTW, the /dev is devices usually not developer :) You got the /var right. Definitely a good candidate for an SSD. That would make it boot in 1/10th the time or maybe faster. I saw your copying process after writing all the above. You should be able to copy that identically to an SSD a lot of times. SSD's have not got physical sectors, but they logically emulate them.
Thank you for the info Brendan, I'm going to try a SSD in the future, when we do the older stuff, we already move them over to compact flash (Area 51, Golden Tee, NFL Blitz, etc.) but these are bigger so we've never successfully pulled it off because of the size of the drive necessary to do it.....
You're not bad at computers. Another cloning tool that works well is called Clonezilla. A solid state should work just fine IF it's the same interface (SATA) as your hard drive.
Thanks Koby, I appreciate it, I need to find a good 'go to' to replace these drives because in the future they're going to be more and more of a problem... on the older stuff I use compact flash but these are a lot larger...
Note for your hard drives - You can swap them for solid state using the imaging tool you're using. For the spinning disks with read problems, you may be able to get them running again using a software tool called Spinrite. You can find it at grc.com. It's $89.
Hopefully very soon Steve (the owner and developer of spinrite) will be updating spinrite to make it easier to run it on Sata hard disks. The drive type in the video is sata. Scsi drives have a 50 pin connector. Ide drives have a 40 pin connector. Spinrite 6 will work with all three, provided the mainboard the drives are connected to support compatible mode. (Sata uses AHCI commands, which spinrite 6 doesn't support, but will be in spinrite 6.1) I frequently replace old spinning disks with solid state in older computers since the prices are coming down and solid state drives have no seek time.
Spin rite is an overpriced piece of software that at best is doing the equivalent of copy,paste,rename, and delete and at the very worst destroying data you had a chance of recovering with a tool that only performs a read operation. I suggest reading this article before shelling out money to the developer. www.disktuna.com/spinrite-is-not-data-recovery-software/
Just picked up a silver strike dedicated cab the fans spin for a second when powered on then nothing so I will be replacing the power supply but want to also toss a different hard drive in it. Where do I find the darn images for the game to put on the new hard drives?
I just recently finished designing the hardware and software for a new casino gaming slot machine called “Silver Strike”. I didn’t know there was an arcade game of the same name. Interesting.
This one I believe is technically called "Silver Strike Bowling" so you're probably alright, but I am obviously not a patent attorney, lol. That's very cool you're designing new stuff though!
Joe's Classic Video Games, thanks, I’m not too worried about it. I was contracted to design this for a company and the name was their idea.. and their problem if someone goes after them legally hahaha. I doubt that will happen though. This new game is “generation #2” for Silver Strike. The first version (designed by IGT) was operated in Vegas casinos for years with no legal issues and they have the rights from IGT for the new version.
Hi, you mentioned MAME in this vid, whats your views on the emulation of the arcade side of MAME? as I am sure you are a total advocate of the original hardware understandably but MAME brings the same fun of old school to us DIY old school gamer nerds... just curious on your thoughts?
I don't mess around with MAME much but that's how we fix all our games (the roms are in MAME), I don't have any problem with people playing MAME at all!
Rocky Mountain High...LOL. "I might be better in real life bowling" This is funny because that's why I like Golden Tee. I don't have the patience for real golf, but computer golf I could play all day. Not sure if I'd do the same for computer bowling.
Hey buddy I have have a huge issue got a dedicated silver strike nighthawk 1st gen and I get an error when booting it for audio it say bypass by pressing enter I can't bypass it. I want to locate an image so I can put it on a new ssd but cannot locate one anywhere. Do you have maybe a HINT on where to find one? Or how to get rid of the issue. I would be more than happy to DONATE if ya can help lol. My kids are super excited to play it. ANY help would be aweome!
If you want to convert the cabinet to SSD (you'll get better boot times and higher reliability), all you have to do is take a 1:1 image of the original hard drive and clone it onto the SSD. If the machine has SATA, you're home free and can run it natively. If it doesn't, you'll need a SATA to PATA adapter. Happy upgrading!
@@LyonsArcade you have a TON of patience to troubleshoot these boards down to the component level. I would ram my fist through the monitor within the first hour, but I realize you do it out necessity too. One thing I would like to see sometime in a video is how you un-solder the IC chips because there isn't any room at all between the IC pins. Just a suggestion. Rock on.
Intel Desktop motherboard from the late 90's early 2000's. Just replace all the caps on those older motherboards, the electrolytic caps sometimes fail short circuit and heat up and you can find them easily. But once you find one and replace it and get it working again you'll end up having the same problem again a few weeks or months later. Re-capping old motherboards from that era is always a good idea since that was the era of bad caps. All electrolytic capacitors on those boards should go, well in my opinion they should...
That particular one had been recapped fortunately, they got a ton of abuse though in these arcade games since they were on non stop all day (I guess most computers are though).....
Do you have a copy of the Silver Strike Bowling HDD image? I have a cabinet with the number "17" CID not running. I think the HDD image might be corrupted. I'd be very grateful if you could help me with finding this
You should make a copy of the drives using something like easeus that way you can create new ones from a file in the future. Also it is LIN-u-X Still love your channel ❤️
I've got some copies of some of the revisions I made with the program I was using in the video that I've been using for years, I just don't have all of them because I often don't have a good drive to copy.... also worth mentioning the new one I burnt was on a WD drive not a Dynastar :)
Is it possible to get a new i/o board for these? I plug the vga into a different monitor it works great but when I run the vga through the i/o board I get nothing on the screen the monitor seems to work.
They don’t make new ones anymore but as you may know the io board has different dipswitch settings you have to set to match your monitor. Make sure they’re set right
@@LyonsArcade Appreciate the help, I made sure the dip settings were right (I bought a buck hunter from the same guy and that was the issue on that one) I even tried every resolution just to make sure but I'm pretty sure a part of the board isnt working as I found corrosion on some of the components it seems to only effect the video output because when I put my VGA cable directly into a different monitor the game worked and audio all worked.
@@LyonsArcade I find your technical videos to be interesting. Dont know what you're saying occasionally but for some reason I can understand most of it even though I've never been to school for this kind of stuff. That being said, keep teaching me new stuff.
Joe's Classic Video Games It might possible to patch out all security and dongle requierments there is a modern arcade game called project diva future tone that runs on Sega NU arcade board with intel core i3 cpu, 4gb of ram and nvidia gtx 650 Ti graphics card and it just runs windows 8.1 embedded with all of its user interface removed and just autostarts the game when it boots of course it has security dongles and IO boards like most arcade games but someine actually managed to decrypt and copy contents of hard drive and patched the games EXE file to work without any security dongles or IO boards and you van just run it on any normal PC, all you need is nvidia gpu there are some graphical glitches on new nvidia rtx 20xx series cards but there is a patch that fixes that too i downloaded files for that game, and i am building myself custom cabinet for it with just normal PC parts, i installed windows 8.1 embedded and customized it to get rid of windows boot screen and desktop and made it autostart patched game when it boots so its just like on real arcade machine i think something like this might be possible on most PC hardware based arcade games that run on linux or windows embedded systems sorry for long comment but i just wanted to explain my experience with running windows based arcade games on normal pc hardware, i hope you dont mind :)
There are probably a lot of people watching this thinking, "Wait! I thought his name was Joe! Who is this other Joe he's talking to?" :) Thanks for the video.
I'm sure you get asked this quite a lot, but I wonder how easy it would be to change the old CRT monitor over to an LCD on these cabinets. Also, with how MAME is pretty popular, have you ever made any MAME based cabinets with full functioning controllers? If so, what's the difficulty level. (I have high experience in computers and electronics, only asking since it's a future project that I have lined up some time down the road.)
You can convert them to LCD pretty easily, and building a MAME cabinet isn't that big of a deal, the main reason we don't do either very often is because it kind of makes them less reliable. If you're doing it for your home though yourself, it's not that big of a deal. We sell them though to people and need the basic reliability that they would have had if they were operated back in the day or something near that, because the customers don't want to work on anything. so for instance the LCD conversion means you have to put an adapter PCB in the cabinet, and the only ones available are made in china, they forget their settings from time to time, or just break, so you need to either change the settings to get it set up right again, or replace it if it's not working anymore... you also have to mount the LCD in the cabinet and then create a bezel that hides all of the extra space you just created since they don't make LCD's in 4:3 bigger than 19" or so... so you have to put a widescreen in, which doesn't display in the correct aspect ratio or fill the cabinet's space the original monitor did, so the bezel doesn't fit right, the mounting brackets are useless, etc. so it can be done, and for your own machine it's not that big of a deal, but to make it like the original one was it's a big pain, at this point it's still easier to just repair the original CRT style monitor that fits right, has the correct aspect ratio, etc. MAME is great too but it takes a lot of setting up and if anything needs changed, or one game runs too fast, or another runs too slow, etc. it's something else for a customer to not be happy with. We do some of the more user friendly multigames though that use Jamma pcb's and are more set it and forget it type things.
20:16 yes with a Celeron cpu and one stick of the slowest DDR1 with a spinning hard drive from many years ago it will be slow as hell. If you could throw a 3.2ghz Pentium 4 in it with 4gb of ram and a SSD this loading time would be a lot less :) 👌💪
I'm not sure what the software will still run on, you have to remember they designed some of this stuff with security concerns so often you can't just put anything in there but maybe, and I guess if you were good enough you could find a workaround :)
"Leenex? Line-x? I don't know anything about it but it's not running Windows." I totally respect the fact that not everybody is computer savvy but that was great lol.
@@LyonsArcade You _might_ be able to clone directly to an SD. Or if you have a disk image (.img file) you can write that using Balena Etcher. Forgive me if you already know this stuff Joe, I'm a bit of a Windows nerd just trying to add my 2¢ 😉
enjoyed the video, thanks for taking the time! regarding SSDs- using an SSD on these older systems is probably overkill, cost-wise and size-wise. a lot of the retro-computing crowd use converter boards that let you use standard SD cards in the place of SATA, IDE or SCSI drives. the most common/cheap ones are limited to 32 or 64gb SD cards, so you'll want to find a board that supports larger SD card sizes (SDXC). the basic boards are about $15, the kind you'll need are about $20-$30 (without cards)...a lot of the boards that support SDXC let you use two or four 32/64gb SD cards that show up as one volume to the host computer. the nice thing about using these converter boards is that SD cards are cheap and can be swapped out easily (though not hot swapped).
@@robthomas7232 - I hadn't priced smaller SSD drives in a while, you're right. so for a machine of this vintage (80gb SATA), my suggestion probably doesn't make as much sense
@@LyonsArcade An SSD should more or less be a drop in replacement for your current HDD given they are both SATA devices. I've been running a 60GB SSD with Linux on it in my brothers shop computer for about 8 years now and its been rock solid.
@12:02 ; I noticed that the PSU fan is not working, oh no :( I wonder if you replaced that before selling the unit as it would cause the PSU to overheat and go into shutdown protection mode and possibly even fail all at once or over time due to continuous heat damage. That could possibly be why the unit was taken out of service originally and the operator failed or didn't try to diagnose the issue.
Cache is pronounced 'cash' and linux is pronounced as in Lynn ucks , and the silent boot hides all the bios boot screens so you don't see it's just a PC booting when you turn it on. Also, concerning the memory, you would fill both slots of a given channel before populating the next channel (i.e. channel A slot 1 and 2, then channel B slot 1 and 2). Looks like you could max out at least to 1 Gig with 4 256GB sticks, although the game probably just needed the 256MB.
@@LyonsArcade It might, it depends on the BIOS. But if it uses SATA it will probably be OK with at least up to 1TiB, and probably 2TiB. Picking up a sub 500GiB drive is $20-$50 depending on model and make. If you really need a small drive it will get more expensive to buy one new.
OFC it doesnt run windows, it would be slow AF..... X'D Hitachy DeathStar drives. I dont think you should use those, the net is full of SCSI to SD/compact flash card adapters.... 18:35 Thats SATA, in that case you dont need adapters. Just clone the old drive onto the ssd and its good to go. 24:02 I usually use dd for that.
Thank you Stratos, yes the Deathstar ones were what they originally shipped with, the new one I burnt was a WD, i'm going to try to do SSD next time :)
@@LyonsArcade Yeah i wrote that as a watched the video :D . One thing i forgot to mention that IDK how well the SSDs gonna endure this kind of use. These systems dont have the foggiest idea what TRIM is and how to use it.
Stratos Lockon project diva arcade future tone runs on windows 8.1 embedded and original hardware takes forever to boot up but someone dumped the hdd of that game and patched the exe file so you can run it on any normal pc i am currently working in recreating my own "bootleg" of original cabinet as close as possible :)
That is a standard Intel Desktop board, I use quite a few of them. Link to manual at the end. You can upgrade the CPU to Pentium 4 468-pin to the highest speed on the 800 MHz bus regardless of OS (I think 2.2 or 2.4). That plus an SSD to replace the hard drive will make that thing more than fast enough for pretty cheap. You have helped me fix plenty of games over the years, would be happy to help you fix computers for free...30 years of experience, happy to help. www.intel.com/content/dam/support/us/en/documents/boardsandkits/desktop-boards/865/D865GBF/D865GBF_D865GLC_ProductGuide02.pdf
demofilmpuntnl defenitly good idea, i had old pc that i use for retro gaming randomly shutdown because of caps around the cpu, at first i tought its psu but after replacing it it still randomly shutdown until i decided to replace cpu caps now its back to working perfectly
I dont fully understand how it works Joe from bios, you load a image from the hard-drive, that is a modded linux "game client, It dosent have a OS at all?.
Just fyi, those drives are NOT Scsi drives, they are Sata just like on current desktop computers. It should be fairly easy to use solid state drives, unless the game software is looking for specific drive sizes in addition to the dongle that you mentioned. Also, Cache is pronounced "Cash".
@@LyonsArcade ...it may be thermistor-controlled, then. If it spins freely when you flip it with your finger, it's probably good. If it's the type that you can get to the bushing behind the decal on the center, you can oil it if needed. (yeah, I'm cheap. :)
If you ever need some DDR1 memory, or a "fast" Pentium 4 cpu which runs at 800mhz fsb instead of 533 Celeron crap for this puppy, let me know. I have a gigantic stack of them laying around doing nothing.
If the software isn't protected by anything but a USB dongle KEY, then you can just copy the software off the drive, not image the whole 80 GIG.... I bet that software only uses less than 2 GIG of drive space. Where you guys located?
Man I'd love to... if you're interested in those, checkout Dragon's Lair II that we did here on our channel a few years ago, that was the only laserdisc one we filmed so far!
Surprised someone hasn't reverse engineered the security dongle yet. I assume the company is out of business so getting a replacement is nearly impossible so a demand for the nearly impossible leads to repos and stuff like that. *hmm* That or a patch to remove the security check.
Clone the drive bad sectors and all anyways if the app will let you... With any luck being an 80gb drive running a stripped OS and a game client meant to run on 256mb of Ram and 128mb video card it has to be damn near 97% empty space and that sector is probably in it.
All computers have two operating systems! BIOS basic input output system which is the hardware operating system and the software operating system like Windows or Linux!
For the HDD with the bad sectors you were trying to copy, I'd recommend investing in a copy of Spinrite www.grc.com/sr/spinrite.htm. Its a very versatile tool that will do deep scans and error correction.
@@LyonsArcade right at 12:00 in, you flip the switch, the machine posts, and the power supply fan twitches once but doesn't spin. IDK about "arcade pcs" but on normal pc's, they are full time on. Is that one on a temperature switch?
Chuck G my corsair psu does not spin the fan unless i am rendering something or gaming for normal usage like browsing and watching youtube it never spins because its temperature controled and it never gets warm enough to turn on the fan unless im gaming or rendering something in autodesk maya
You need a hard drive cloning machine It is super simple to use and will clone any hard drive and turn it into a solid-state or anything you want. It will make a perfect copy
A great program to get for fixing old hard drives that wont boot or have bad sectors is called "SpinRite" from grc.com You will be surprised what it can save.
