Silverado ZR2 vs Raptor and TRX, First Drive, First Thoughts, First In Country? 

I hope the market corrects. Right now everything. Has a mark up. It’s so gross

Oh man hell yea. Can’t wait to start seeing them in the dirt

GMC AT4X has the diesel as an option

Lol. Oh yea. It’s not trying to be a prerunner. That’s the dinosaur class literally. This is something new. Think Dakar rally truck. It’s the most sigma truck ever.

@@420motors oh yea, well technically it can be whatever the customer wants either the capabilities that the truck has, I've just seen the reviews on the most popular truck channels and they still bash on the zr2, like if is not the best full size truck in the market, that truck is not a princess truck lol. But overall great video you always kill it 👏

Thanks man. Can’t wait to do our part.

Damn man thank you

Did you check the dates. Lol. Had the first video up before they bought that zr2.

Hell yea man. We like to help viewers get good deals Can you name state and dealer please. Don’t need contacts but putting a list together of the good dealers to help people out. Unless you ordered it, then of course that’s the way to go. 14th is shortly after mine and I didn’t see anything else available for weeks. But that just shows regionally.

All media tested them two weeks ago. Unless they did buy one, the early videos were gm owned

They did a “short” video a few hours ago. Great video BTW. Can’t wait to see what it will do.

Sweet I’ll check it out thanks.

Dealers have been getting them over the last 2 weeks or so. There have been a handful of deliveries but maybe not to RU-vid channels per say.

Totally. Also don’t forget edit times. This was not recorded today

I’m good thanks. Only thing I can offer is my unique perspective. Not planning on making many of these videos much less this type. Offroad videos are what I lean towards, figured best to explain and be honest about any biases. Don’t have much time anymore for proper edits. The type of video your describing is not worth doing because it’s been done already and done well. So why be derivative?

@@420motors would like to see off-road video, but title said impressions raptor, trx, zr2. I have zr2, wanted to see your impressions but you talked more about Colorado than anything wasn’t much comparison of three trucks in title. Unsubscribed misleading video.

Thank you. You sounded super annoying. Also it’s obvious you were lying about the truck. Since you refuse to help others by listing dealer name. Actually. Gtfo don’t come back. You will be blocked.

Yea. Let’s hope she’s as tough as I’m expecting

Oh I know man. Lol I have personal friends that are like “dude when are you making more videos”. They suck ass. New truck will help hopefully

Check the dates. Didn’t drop this today

I'm a GM guy and drive a Silverado, but let's be real, a raptor with SMOKE that ZR2!! Run them both at 100 mph in the sand dunes that's the test!! The raptor has almost double the suspension travel... I have been following the development of this truck for 3 years... 3 years!!! And just like I thought disappointment I was a long life DieHard GM guy.. I have a Z71 Silverado I regularly off-road and the rancho shocks on it are trash !!! The factory rancho shocks are trash!!!! Yes my Silverado has been reliable for the way I treat it but the rancho shocks are absolute trash!! Remember when GM ran Bilstein shocks??? my factory bilsteins lasted 230,000 miles on my old ZR2!!! The ranchos on my Silverado we're done at 116,000 miles!!! And most of my Silverado is built with foreign components.. The window regulators are made in the Philippines the four-wheel drive encoder motor is from China the wire harnesses say Mexico and my truck was built in Indiana... The new Silverados are worse!!! Alllll China with a Chevrolet badge...

So you need a super specific open sand dune environment to ensure the raptor would win. I say bring it, random uncontrolled environments is where the Silverado will shine. Also how dare you compare dssv to standard Silverado shocks.

@@420motors I'm just being real.. Look at GM's history lately.. The lifter issues the transmission issues electrical issues because the stuff is from China the gears aren't cut precisely, the valving in the transmission is not cut precisely because it's from China.. no quality control.. Man like I said I was the biggest GM guy ever!! their stuff is just China garbage now!!! Take that new Silverado apart it's all foreign under that bow tie badge.. No transmission dipstick you can't service the front differential!?! come on!!!! What a disappointment... My 6-speed whines in first gear, a GM technician said because the gears are from China they're not cut precisely.. GM USED to manufacturer the best vehicles, now they are built like Ford and Chrysler to save money.. Sad ..

I know your not a troll man I remember your name your a good commenter. All quality control has gone to hell hasn’t it? I meant that’s what we are all angry about regardless of manufacturer. But in todays market where commuter cars and ford maverick’s are going for 10k over, we gotta be realistic. In the video I stated of how far we went out of our way to hep people get trucks at good prices and avoid markups. That’s why I mentioned if you gotta eat a markup, who would you give your money too. The zr2 is still a value is all I’m saying. No value in the others with out of warranty shenanigans and instant engine codes lol. It’s all bad really. Amazing anyone can afford to make a decent American car today.

@@420motors no I'm not a troll you have a great channel!!! I grew up in a rural area where five guys got in five different trucks and we mudded four and five days a week the Chevys always did the best!! the Ford's always got stuck!!! We beat the crap out of our Chevy trucks those days are gone!!! I've watched GM's go downhill I work on vehicles.. My brother is a body man he was working on a 2019 Silverado that got in a wreck, he said when you open the hood the core support, firewall and front and bracing was identical to a Dodge ram he worked on years ago!!! Like I mentioned before I had a 2001 ZR2 that truck never left me stranded!! I beat the crap out of it and sold it with 252,000 miles on the complete factory original drivetrain the only thing I changed were the u-joints that's it!!! That truck never left me stranded it took a beating!!! those days are over for GM!!! I really hate to admit, but GM's are rebadged Chrysler and Ford's.. Trust me! Take a modern GM apart...

Hell yea man. Join us on telegram or post links to pictures if you can. Gonna be organizing runs on telegram if you want to link up

Man hell yea thanks for watching. Good ones coming up soon. Didn’t want to make you guys wait for my editing process lol

Lol. Gonna need to start a compound for the vehicles

@@420motors can I put one or two in your compound?

Lmao. No. You guys break gates lmao.

Lol. Got a refund on them. Production delays. Found some already though. Also sliders got refunded.

Thanks man

Not what I paid.

Thanks man. Think I remember a comment from you in the past. Always wonder how far back some viewers go

Yea. Supposedly electric steering racks don’t like water.

Hoping that's not a new problem, I know a few guys with big lifts on the new Silverados with the electric racks and they don't have problems with larger tires and putting trucks in hairy positions so I'm leaning towards the notion that the 1500 has a beefier rack than what's on the Colorado

Zr2 I mean no mark up and I got friends and family discount 5k

What dealer? I like sending people to good dealers.

@@420motors Jake Sweeny in ohio

Maybe watch the whole video next time. Or change that name to mja reacts to first seconds of a video

Thanks man. Might get her on the dirt this week.

Yea. I can answer that since I’m a nobody. Lol they have been on for over two years already. Again non official answer and no one can confirm that.

Thanks man. We’ll do our best

De nada jefe.

Oh nice. Naw haven’t had time to play with it. Need to rearrange the electric car charger at home to be able to park the truck at home so have been leaving it at work for the moment. As for the start, Have been holding it down and it’s working but shoot gonna do the double tap. Thanks.

Sweet. Your right. Lock and double tap no need to hold. Thanks

Holy crap man. Nice. Where you at

The cameras are amazing. Will showcase them more

Did you even watch the whole video. Or just looked for videos to shame others and try to feel superior. Watch the whole video how we talk about getting viewers the best prices and connecting them with good sales people. Unlike yourself we help. We don’t do what’s good for us then sit and point feeling superior. I hope you didn’t subscribe we don’t make these videos for the jerks of society.

I watched the video. And doing business with any dealer that starts negotiating with that kind of markup is a joke. Any dealer with ADM on the window isn’t worth anyones time. I’m glad you got a “deal” but there’s better ones bud. It’s a beautiful truck and I don’t mean any disrespect towards you or your channel. But buying these trucks UNDER sticker is very possible with the right dealership!

It’s clear that you didn’t. No worries. Don’t want your kind around here. Not a single channel comes close to the amount of help we offer our viewers. Connecting with best prices, reviews of trails that limit damage and maximize fun, help with consumer upgrades, show real world comparisons and how they hold long term and what a consumer should expect, even to helping them Post private party through our social media when and if they need to sell, not to mention installs and sharing industry and engineering info that’s unobtainable for normal consumers. We literally hold the hand of a viewer through the dealer, through the finance department, through the trails, through the mods and repair shops, and even through selling and buying new vehicle. No time for viewers like you. Only helpful people welcome. Some people get a leg up and laugh at the rest of the world. Others get a leg up and decide to help the rest. If you did watch the video you would recognize that verbiage from the last seconds. No time for people that feel superior, we are here to help. Not to give you a canvass to shame other owners. All your future comments on this subject will be deleted. We deal in trucks on this channel, not egos.

420. More would be nice, but more than enough on the dirt stock. Extremely broad power band out of the n/a so your never in the wrong gear. On the street it doesn’t need more power. But it’s is always nice to have.

The key fobs were redesigned with the 22’ refresh and is now a double click

Man how the hell have you been I’ll text you if you wanna head out in the trucks. And yea don’t wanna expose anyone but plenty of people in chevy aren’t fans of the wokeness protocol. Also been told engine could do 1000 hp no sweat. But gonna keep it stock for videos first

Hell yea man. Got this one on the 12th. Got her on some trails today but wasn’t near any sand. Was curious if it felt heavy on the sand. Don’t feel heavy on the trails. Took a hard g out today. Raptors can bag about that rear suspension but that don’t help in the g outs. The dssv shocks kicked ass didn’t even bottom out. Took it on purpose and calculated. Tested our fully built raptor there before vinyl wrap and it showed where the fiberglass needed to be trimmed. Average speed was very surprising. You don’t need to slow down much cause the front can take abuse like crazy. Did you take up any sand hills. Curious what the transition on the slope was like. Always took them sideways in the Colorado zr2 to go easy on the front end

@@420motors yessir it did great on the hill climbs, and as the day was going on I was getting more and more aggressive with it. I was a little worried about it being heavy as well compared to the Colorado but honestly I think it feels pretty nimble. My only gripe is it feels like the ABS still interferes a little in off road mode with on after turning off stabilitrack. I love that about my Colorado Zr2, once disabled it was totally off. I drag raced a Colorado Zr2 in the sand also and it was not close. Which I was a little surprised by, since my Colorado zr2 won a lot of drag races out there too.

Man that’s awesome. For the desert it needs a tire size upgrade for higher speeds on washes. But yea extremely nimble. Didn’t notice any cutting of power. Did some quick donuts and figure 8’s didn’t take more than ten seconds to confirm that I could toss it around just as easily as the zr2. How was the power band on the sand. In the desert it’s so broad that even if you fumble the gears, you got plenty of power at any rpm. Your never really in the wrong gear to stay in control. Enough power to have fun in automatic also.

@@420motors this is my first truck with paddle shifting, so I'm admittedly still learning. I never really used the manual shifting on the Colorado zr2. I definitely had plenty of power though, no issues there. I'll be real curious to see if you try going 35s and how they might fit. I went to 32s and then 33s on my Colorado and honestly felt like the 32s were the sweet spot for acceleration and feel.

Gonna kill the stock set of tires for some honest review videos for consumers. 35 at least. Not gonna lie 37’s would be nice. Spares will be a drag. Wasn’t planning on doing a tire rack yet. And also not stocked about 2 spare wheels at 1k a piece lol. 35 bead lock with forged wheels will help a lot for lower psi. Shoot sounds like it’s just as configurable as the Colorado zr2 which was crazy adaptable for driver build needs. Also I agreed, never felt the urge to go 33 on the zr2

Sorry you missed it last week man. Sucks

@@420motors it's cool man sooner or later. I'll see the silveraedo lol 🤙🤙

Lol. I’m actually a fan of the tundras for what they are and the Tacoma’s for the joy they bring their owners.

Thanks man. I didn’t pay that price though. But I did pay a markup. Truck goes for 73 so that 93 was asking for 20k over. Very gross but that’s the world we live in. I agree with you though. That’s why I called every where. Was ready to go to any state in the rv and bring one back. Only got a decent price because based on the verbiage I used with them, they new I do know about selling vehicles, so will push some traffic their way. But as of now allocation numbers don’t even let you be choosy lol gonna be a while

There are plenty of Chevy dealers that will order a ZR2 for you @ MSRP. This truck is low $70s; meaning it competes witb a Ford Tremor or Toyota TRD Pro. Given those options, I’m going Ford or Chevy. Fairfield Chevrolet is one such dealer w/o markups.

Do they have allocations though. That’s what’s needed to order and not pay makeups.

@@420motors I figured you didn't pay that based on what you were saying in the video, but the average Joe with no negotiation skills would pay $100k after taxes! That blows my mind. Actually, I am surprised that at you didn't get one below MSRP based on your prior videos and relationship with with Chevy performance engineers. Hopefully you recoup some of that from videos. I'll be clicking on them! Happy 4/20 btw!

Yea. And some will get them at msrp just need patience. In 6 months you can also get out of state. Average joe off the street will get hurt but not as bad as other manufacturers. I agreed to 10k over. But not until I realized that even with a blank check search I wouldn’t find another one for months. Took to long to get on the list. So figured I had 6 months to get early traction and head start on everyone. Should make back every penny. And I tried calling in favors and was alerted years ago to this opportunity. Current production delays closed every door for me though. Honestly just stupid luck that a dealer close by had this. Even the people I called in favors for told me that their boss would not let them sell at under 20k over for anyone. Supply and demand basically. I got nothing to complain about lol

Naw it’s all good. I mentioned a few times was literally putting it out there, cause no way to know based on videos. You delivered to a customer? How’s that work. They gotta go to the dealer? Also got it about that time. I don’t have time to edit videos quickly.

@@420motors I sell Chevrolet out in the Midwest and occasionally take cars to customers in neighboring states. I took a Tahoe to Des Moines a few weeks ago too. Last ZR2 was black and we’ll have two blue ones like yours and a silver being built next month. It’s a sweet truck for sure! I actually had a colorado ZR2 a couple of years ago when I saw your channel and since have bought a Sierra for more utility uses.

Any way to send customers from California looking for no markups in the future. Not all dealers allow it but plenty will be looking soon if you got any allocations left?

@@420motors I wish I could help on that one. Those trucks are like unicorns and the ones we’ve received are usually all sold before they show up. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some type of market adjustment on any available ones since they’re so difficult to get allocations for, kind of like Corvettes right now. Most of our cars aren’t market adjusted, but I know of one loaded blue ZR2 like yours not pre-sold and I’d be happy to get it to a good home. It’ll likely have a 3-5k market adjustment and I wont have much leeway to help but it is one available. I know that’s not ideal for most people (myself included) but it’ll get you one likely in June.

Shoot won’t be hard to find it a home. Wanna email me at jerkstoleourname@gmail.com or let me know how to contact?

Yea not sure why they avoided the skid plates for the fuel cell especially giving it a front locker and belly scraping 33’s. I’m certain aev will have equipment for upgrades but should be billed as the best out the box offroader and the skid plate would help. Also about the shock placement. I’ve never had a hang up on the rear shocks in the Colorado zr2. No insider info on that but I’m pretty certain again that I know why. It’s geometry. The further out you place shocks, the less articulation per travel on the rear axle. More travel more problems always on all builds. So I thinks it’s the appropriate placement for what the socks were tuned for, while still giving great articulation vs travel. I’ll do the math on the next video

Lol 🤫

Lmao. 100 percent get it. But also respect for a high profile company to be putting themselves in a potentially ridiculous situation for us. Imagine they don’t finish 4 in a row and the Volvo wins. Totally possible

I hope so. Actually counting on it. Probably same problem as last time though. Price. Keeping the warranty isn’t tons of value, but the piece of mind is

Mine was made it Mexico :(

@@anton3ooo is yours “the first in the country” too? 🤣

Post your videos. Make me look bad. I don’t see yours anywhere. And I’m putting it out there

How about first on the block? Is that easier for your brain to grasp?

lol not even that. I called around. Everyfucken where. We have the rv and a trailer, Alaska was a option. Dealers haven’t even agreed on a price yet. These fools are all lying. Anyone don’t believe me, call the biggest dealer in your area, ask for the highest position sales person on the floor and listen to the silence as they try to figure out what the hell a zr2 Silverado even is. They haven’t even agreed on markups yet. Also first video makes it true lol.

Yea. I was tipped off about being able to buy this truck over two years ago. Then it went away for some reason. I’m sure it was more r&d

Oh yea. There it is. Lol. Dropped today on purpose.

So let’s get into it. First off I clearly stated that jeep was there as well. Second of all ford did not start the offroad segment, zr2 actually in the previous century so you are extremely off the mark with that one. Third of all they only ran for promotion then stopped. All the manufacturers do it on first year runs for promotion and then they disappear. Shoot original and new raptor wrap was a nod to the color scheme that ford used in baja. All that happened from that is that foutz Motorsports sells the cage and equipment from that build and ford gets to say they raced. Chevy is still there racing when all the cameras are tuned off. All the manufacturers combined don’t add up to a fraction of what chevy has been doing through the hall family. Remember team hummer? Chevy has been racing with an entire family tree for multiple generations through the Hall family. While the rest race for photo ops and use others kits for r&d. Chevy does it in home and brings the products to market. Have you ever seen a raptor build with a foutz motorsports build. I ordered the jack back in the day. Showed up as an overpriced harbor freight jack that Robby woods refused to let me bolt on to the raptor build. Actually removed my option by welding a housing for a pro eagle. That’s the extent of consumer value ford has contributed from racing.

@@420motors you obviously know way more about the ins and outs of the OEM racing side of things. I'll take your word for it. And honestly what you described the racing being (run 1-2 years for photo ops and publicity and then quit) sounds about right for most manufacturers. Props for GM sticking with it. That's awesome! I do think tho that the current off-road pickup segment was established (revived if you will) by Ford and their Raptor program. At launch it seemed like a crazy idea, since everyone has been making street hot rod pick ups in the 90's and 2000's. It is safe to say that the pickup off-road scene would look completely different if it weren't for Ford.

I would agree that ford does deserve credit for reviving it. People forget that on paper the raptor should not have been successful. It came out in the worst part of the recession. When no one truck money let alon v8 gas money. Should have been dead on arrival or just a crazy idea as you said

@@420motors agreed. I, along everyone I knew was waiting for a new lightning to be revealed. I didn't think the raptor would be a success either. Thought it was cool tho and wanted one since day 1 😅

GM started the off road production truck in 1994 with the ZR2 s 10... And let me tell you those trucks could take a beating!! I had a 2001 ZR2!!! I beat that thing hard and sold it with 252,000 miles on it...

That works for me