Ok I did't catch on when I watch the video the first time, a few minutes after the video was released ... DOH!!!! ... LOL. I am new to this... gonna catch on....LOL. @@LaurenceDusoswa
Great video! I've owned these for about 2 months, the modularity of these pedals was a huge part in my purchase. I plan to get the hydraulic brake upgrade and haptic motors soon!
I'll be holding off on pedal upgrade, but like you said these pedals definitely have potential. Turning up the preload on throttle, changing spring on clutch and installing the P-HYS hydraulic kit on brake will put these way above the P2000 I think. Biggest thing for me are those haptic motors.
@@LaurenceDusoswaI updated to the latest Simhub over the weekend and used the motors here there sensational once setup, I also purchased the extra dampening set and used them on like a mix between GT/Formula out the box, within 8/10 laps I beat my pb in ACC by 1 tenth, I think with some adjustments youll be super happy with them Laurence but the native Simhub support is a game changer, I set the clutch for gear changes the vibrations when using it on cars without it 😂
The two brake connectors are for the load cell and the magnetic sensor that can calculate the angle of the pedals instead of the pressure from the load cell. Like that if ppl don't like the feel or the precision of the load cell, they can switch to the magnetic sensor while having still a good resistance on the pedals.
Supposedly the idea of the idea with the two brake sensors (I believe mentioned by Simagic) is that the angle sensor is more suited for softer pedal setups to avoid the loss of brake pressure with the softer elastomers weakening and losing braking force, and the load cell is supposed to be better with stiffer elastomer setups.
Had these for a while, hydraulic upgrade for the brake is available, rumble motors are mad strong haha, I don't have the rgb but overall they've been epic :) The throttle was a little weak but I used one of the clutch pedal springs to make it a lot better. One thing that impresses me about simagic which should be mentioned is their quality of screws and allen keys, NLR, TR and others could pay attention.
Hi Laurence, nice to see your channel has grown so quickly since you hit the 10k subs. Don't know exactly why they choose to have a loadcell and angle sensor, but Race beyound Matter made a video about the fundamental flaw in the decision of sim pedal manufacturers to place elastomers between the input force and the loadcell censor. When elastomers are put under load it will initially resist and then relax. The input drops 10%. He has the P1000 also and tested the accuracy of the input of the loadcell and angle sensor, and he claims the angle sensor was more accurat. Maybe you should watch the video ( and follow Race Beyound Matter), because it's kind a hard to explaine.
I haven’t watched the video but I have similar findings. However, the problem is unique to the Simagic elastomer design. I have never experienced it with other pedal sets. Definitely not to this extent.
@@LaurenceDusoswa its how elastomers works, its the same with all elastomers iv tried, but never tried simagic elastomers. I´m looking on the P1000 becouse of the angel sensor.
@@Xpl0jd1 I have reviewed countless pedal sets. Not one other set has had a drop off of 10-15%. It is 3% at most if at all. A negligible amount. And after changing the circuit board on my p1000, the problem is far less. It’s easy to get caught up in the hype, but if all elastomers had such poor performance, nobody would depend on them
@@LaurenceDusoswa yes 10% is alot, but everyone relaxes, also depends where the loadcell is placed, not all pedals have loadcell behind the elastomers.
I think there is two brake inputs because one is for the load cell and other is for the hall sensor. You can switch between the two brake inputs in the software
Yes that much I am aware of. But why you would want angle based measurement over load cell is still a bit of a mystery to me. It does make the transition to load cell pedals a lot easier for those who prefer distance based measurement
@@LaurenceDusoswa Race beyond matter demonstrated the higher consistency of angle Vs pressure with springs and elastomers causing spikes it the input. Angle is more consistent.
@@LaurenceDusoswa At low pressure, during the initial stage of tapping the brake, measuring angle might yield more consistent results than measuring pressure. The brake in that early phase is more like the clutch and throttle, where people tend to have a better feel for angle than pressure, when the latter is low to begin with. Therefore a hybrid, angle sensor and pressure/force sensor, method doesn’t seem weird, to give the most consistent performance through all phases of braking.
These pedals look great. I'm personally not a fan of the pedals being mounted all together on a tray. I have Fanatec V3s currently. and my biggest gripe is that i cant easily adjust them laterally. Time could be taken to possibly make some new spacers for them, maybe even 3D print some. For now I've settled with just adjusting the pedal faces. in this case with the p1000, I understand it with the way the made it so easy to plug in the haptic motors. Still would be nice to have more adjustability of individual pedal position. Interesting pedals for sure. the LED's are cool but not really needed IMO. Nice to have the options available when shopping around. As i have only been into sim in the last couple of years, the market has exploded in just this short amount of time. Thanks for the vid LD!
I could be wrong but I tested the P1 Sim Mistral pedals at the expo last weekend and while driving I didn't know yet they had rumble motors. But I had such great feeling on the brake that I think these motors reported tyre slip for locked tyres etc, they come out in 2 weeks, maybe you can get a review sample, would be very interesting Oh by the way, the founders of these P1 pedals also made a video explaining (in French, but there are subtitles) the pedals and they also have both a loadcell and a hallsensor measurement and they said it's there so that you can better set up individual curves in the software for specific cars. So it's not meant for the driving measurement but rather so that you can match travel and pressure in the software
Yeah ask them to contact me if they are interested :) I don’t really ask companies for stuff these days. I only want them to sent me stuff if they see the demand for my reviews.
THANKS FOR THE REVIEW !!! - I could't resist... LOL. Seriously thanks for sharing your first impressions. it will be interesting to see how they fare long term. I believe they offer a polymer upgrade kit and show different configurations for the polymer combinations but I could be wrong. It has been while since I looked at them. Cya in the chat soon I hope! Probably this coming Thursday.
Definitely looking forward to your thoughts after a few adjustments and some time, these bad boys are heavily on my radar, I have the clubsport v3 inverted now and seen these in the inverted setup and my interest was instantly peaked. Then all the options just further grabbed my attention.
The 2 brake cables are for 1 hall sensor and 1 load sensor because they say if you use it super stiff or with the hydraulic add on you should use the hall effect sensor
Hmm whats the point on hydraulic kit then if you have to use hall sensor? Seems like waste of money to me. I thought they had load cell somewhere in the hydraulic system.
@@GuppyMilk334 the load cell is in the pedal itself the hydraulic is just for pedal feel and I may be backwards maybe the hall sensor is if your run the pedal super soft .. I can't remember but the point is you can choose in the software if it reads the hall or the load cell so your free to use whichever you want too just one is going to be more accurate than the other in certain usages so having the option for either one out of the box is genius imo
@@MrFatman489 Im just having hard time finding real benefits using hall sensor. Only thing i can think of is that elastomers are not accurate on load cells. You press pedal with 50kg force and it first reads 80% and 1 sec later 70%. Anyway i think load cell is just best option we have right now, because its so much easier to control the force you use to press pedal.
This video gives a very clear explanation why in spite of popular belief, a hall sensor is sometimes preferred. eRacing review ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-d3wZNXwgHSM.html
Had mine for a month and never even noticed what the writing was on the footboard, just had to go and have a look. That aside, Simhub now supports these pedals and you can assign wheel lock to non-abs cars, as well as a boat load of other affects that might not make any sense. But certainly a level of configuration that far exceeds the simagic software.
Absolutely beautiful. Only thing preventing me from getting this is PS5 GT7 compatibility. I just can’t give up my shitty Fanatec because of that. Sigh.
this is why i use fanatec for long 918 wheel that have vibrations and clubsport v3 also have them if you use it once there is no coming back it's another layer of information about tires lock/slip or abs systems if you setup it well it's amazing. If i upgrade my simrig in future it's gonna be with haptic/ruble motors 100% im happy other brands also started include this kind of hardware
There is an interesting review on these pedals from Race Beyond Matter that I'm sure would inform you so you can develop even further and with your liking and style what he found out. Especially if you can really reduce travel and sponginess that are qualities I don't like. I'm looking for pedals and I'm not sure if these or VRS. I don't like elastomers, in fact I dislike them totally.
I will figure it all out for myself :) I don’t watch other reviews because I don’t want to just repeat what others have said. I don’t want to be ‘influenced’ 😂
Honestly not sure right now. I’m experiencing an issue with the load cell readings dropping when you hold it at a specific pressure. I’m working with Simagic to try to fix the issue
@@LaurenceDusoswaIt's a know issue, reported by other reviewers. Some use Hall sensor and then it's costant. Maybe using harder elastometers or having fewer...not sure. That's why I'm holding on buying these...Thanks a lot.
Would be nice to see Simagic make a new baseplate with the electronics built-in like this for the P2000 pedals.. buy the new baseplate you can add the LEDs..
Hi, Laurence. I have my p1000i rs about two weeks now. And tomorrow I mount my meca cup1 back. i will see the différence. Luck I havent sell them yet. I am very happy with the simagic stuff but, not really impressed at use. Im maybe considering go on Méca Evo. What do you think ? Or another set ? You are the only youtuber who runs a lot the meca.
Great video which my main issue is the HD ruble/haptics are to limited. And would be nice if they used the same data as Force feed back to to give you more points of data to respond to and OfCourse immersion.
Nice! ive ben waiting to pull the trigger on this pedals till some reviews(i now its not a review), but this pedals mostly for the hidrilic, hepatic and inverted too, my knees are old now, and sofering with elastomers relax for 2 years like chepilevski mentioned, but hall sensor will do the fix till have the hidrilic! seeing your face in this 1 hour made my mind hahahahahaaa!!! sorry for the spelling mistakes...
just a sugestion to fix something in the video: for the timestamp chapters to work, they should be in front of the name of the chapter, like "12:34 chapter title", not after like it is right now
@@LaurenceDusoswa All my devices, no matter the browser. Firefox and Chrome on Mac, chrome on Android... Funny that the buttkicker videos chapters are working.
Hello Laurence love the review but Ive noticed something you need to change: You test in that single seater, and you should really put the brake pressure down a lot (in setup) so that you can actually use 95% of the braking force without locking up. I feel like this car test impedes your judgement as you are defining pedals at their ability to be at 40-70% load and not right up against their designed limit. Also just a setup tip in general, lower that brake pressure in setup when the brakes are particulalry sensitive, on AC at the very least it doesnt inpact braking performance.
Thanks for the input. To an extent you are correct. But open wheelers are notoriously sensitive, kind of like a go kart. There’s not a lot of weight over those wheels. And although I usually only show that car and track in my videos, I also try iracing and ACC and sometimes even dirt rally 2.0. But there are lots of cars which don’t require a full 100% pedal press before lockup. I would even argue that if you reduce your braking force, you could miss out on braking potential in a straight line or a high grip corner. And finally, and probably most importantly, I review the feel and ability of pedals. It is essential for me to be able to prevent lockups consistently without relying on software aids. Hope that all clarifies it a bit, and gives some insight into my thorough review process.
Well- that settles it. I was waiting to hear your two cents- looks like I may have to spend a few cents more for the P2000. Better to cry once- it sounds like these leave something to be desired and I don’t want to have to upgrade again. P2000 here I come.
@@LaurenceDusoswa then I look forward to hearing your complete thoughts! I think though first impressions count for a lot. You seem very impressed by build quality and the add ons/bells and whistles but when it comes to the actual pedals, you don’t seem blown away! When I saw you try the p2000 it was like a kid in the candy store by comparison.
How do the haptic motors compare with the Sim 3D units? I assume the fit and finish is better considering these are not 3D printed, but more interested in the difference in feel. Thanks.
Yep. Apparently those issues were solved quite quickly but it’s worth considering whether you want to buy the first batch or wait for the dust to settle.
These pedals have extra elastomers you can order for customizing the brakes that may help get the feel you want. Also there’s a hydraulic upgrade that should be interesting I think you talked about a bit. Hopefully you can test these or at least the hydraulic upgrade if possible?
@@LaurenceDusoswa can you ask for the inverted kit too ? or ask for the p1000i rs is simplier ? might be intersting to get your point of view ? you've never tried that configuration, havent you ?
2 questions... when can we expect a long term review please and how do the haptic motors compare with the buttkickers and how they deliver information?
@LaurenceDusoswa thank you, im currently on the fence now weather i should get the VNM pedals or the p1000 with haptic, i would be grateful if you could share your opinion as i believe you tested both?
@Laurence Dusoswa little tip you can remove that small play in the brake by tightening the nut secondly iracing does do TC telemetry you just wasnt in a car that has it. The springs that they give for the clutch can be used in the throttle i have done this my self. One last question how do you compare these to the meca evos with hydraulics? I love the look of those pedals (the evo)
This is a first impressions video so I am only commenting on the default setup and how I received them. The rest will be saved for my long term review. Right now, the haptics are the best thing about these pedals. They’re decent pedals but I have a load cell issue that is blocking the review. It could be isolated to my pedal set here. Without haptics, these are nowhere near as good as the EVO1 pedals.
It’s not a review. It’s a first impressions :) I don’t wanna do a video full of assumptions and taking knowledge for granted. I also don’t watch other people’s videos before releasing my long term review. It’s just my style for these videos. The full long term review is in the works and much more knowledgeable.
Great video and they seem like fantastic pedals to be honest! That was a long one 😂 Time lapse stuff is awesome, keep that up! Interested to know how these are compared to a set of sprints as that's where I am currently!
Long video yeah. Long one to edit too :) It's really multiple products when you break it down. 3 pedals, haptic motors, leds, etc. But the complexities of the software, what reports what, etc are all things that take time. There's a lot to digest. I didn't even get to cover the simhub integration yet :p I need time with the pedals to offer comparisons or advice, but in their default form, they're not as good as sprints for sure. These are closer to Fanatec V3 pedals with the default settings than they are to the sprints. Hope that helps.
Hey Laurence. Having tested both p1000 with brake motors and la prima/forte pedals which would you recommend. I'm not too worried about the price and will be going with a forte wheel base.
For me the p2000 has better pedals but the p1000 look better and have a nicer heel plate and led integration. If pedals performance is priority, get the p2000
I really hope Simagic makes the rumble motors compatible with the P2000 at some point. Also totally off topic of the P1000's but I noticed when you did the comparison with the P2000's your spring configuration for the brake green(Hard spring) at the top and red(soft spring) at the bottom. I have mine switched around. Do I have it setup wrong. Which spring gets compressed first the bottom one or the top? Thanks. love your review videos you were one of the first channels I subscribed to when I got into sim racing and I ended up by Simagic because of it.
I use it for lockups, traction loss and traction control too. You get the feedback much sooner here than via visuals. If you’re using a buttkicker (or similar) already I agree with you. But other seat of the pants sensations are amazing through the pedals. And of course the gear shifts too. But speed and rpm are gimmicky to me.
I wish they had sent you the hydraulic add on so you could test with and without that because I am wanting to sell my sprints if the hydraulic add on and the motors make it worth it
Yeah it’s interchangeable language for most. I don’t get bogged down on technicalities in this channel. It’s already difficult enough to keep people’s attention 😂
@@LaurenceDusoswathis issue maybe that people think they feel like rumble motors which fanatec use not proper haptic motors. There's a big difference in feel
@@Simlife101 do you have any idea if the P1 Mistral pedals are anything like the Simagic? Or is the Simagic solution significantly better. They say "haptic motors" in their website
I got a set of p1000s and it looks like you didnt set the preload on your brake pedal. after pressing it a couple of time s it has some play so I adjusted preload and that fixed it. and the way the motors work in the p100s is that they kind of actuate like a solenoid and moved froward and back and not spin its really cool. Last thing is the clutch pedal use the red spring its the stiffest and they are for the clutch and use the curve on the software that curves to the right gave me the best feeling. Red one is stiffest and feels the best and feels like a real clutch. So far been ruining my P1000 for a month and I love them.
Out of the box the elestomers havent been compressed and when they finally do a couple of times they will have a slightly different memory to them on what they are when they are not compressed. from factory the preload on the p1000 brake pedal is really light and is only slightly compressing the elestomers and when you make the preload higher that in-turn is making the elestomers more pre-comoressed giving you a overall stiffer feel and is needed atleast for my set and what I talked to other people about you need to make the preload higher so the pedal feels more consistent since elastomers like being compressed some to function properly. its like having a car spring with no preload on it will bounce around as soon as three's no load on it and not work as a constant force@@JoFandango
In your full review, please describe and/or show the noise and vibrations (with your foot on) in detail, in different frequency and power ranges. Is it a problem with someone in the room who wants to reed or in the next room who wants to sleep? And if the noise is only low with low strength settings, is it still a good experience and better then the Sim3D solution!? And how is the noise from the clutch pedal? Is is still a metal-to-metal clunk when the 2nd stage is engaged?
Congratulations for your videos. ONE QUESTION, PLEASE: Between the Sim-Lab XP1 and the Simagic P1000 pedals, which is the best, according to your experience and your tests? Thank you in advance.
These look like very nice pedals, but my next upgrade will be some sort of active pedals. If you already have good pedals I personally dont see point to upgrage, but if you are looking for pedals these would be nice. E: Didnt you just use angle sensor? if you watch 33:57 you have angle selected? My bad you changed it afterwards. I think they have angle sensor because if you press pedal for example 50kg it first registers 80% and 1 sec later only 70%. Thats one big downside with elastomers in my opinion.
Good video, but one feedback - please level your audio. Sometimes you're a bit quiet and then you launch ACC and the game audio is WAYYYYYY too high and I can barely hear you.
Good looking pedals. Are the rumble motors that good? I know they are neat and proprietary to Simagic, but are they better than the Sim3d solution? I have tried your settings on mine and personally felt it a bit weak for me(in boots anyway). Are they worth almost twice the price compared to Sim3d? Other that the neatness/convenience what are they doing that Sim3d aren't? €240 vs €130
The sim-3D settings? You found them weak even at 100%? I had them turned way way down and they were still plenty for me. I like subtle feedback. Tbh see are definitely more powerful and seem to have 0 latency too. They’re a lot more like buttkickers than vibration motors. Are they worth it? All depends how much money you have floating around. These pedals get expensive by the time you add all the bells and whistles
At 100% main volume no they are very strong but at 50% I felt then weak for my liking. Yeah they sure will get pricey but the quality is certainly there to justify that price.
Isn't the Whole point of vibrating pedals is to help you figure out the position feedback better? Doesn't the strength of the vibration not tell you how far you are in the pedal? Whats the point then for the vibration
the vibration is either on or off. it doesn't get more or less. if it's on, the effect is happening. if it's off, it's not. In real cars the wheels are either locked or they're not. there's no such thing as locking up a little.
@@LaurenceDusoswahow about the throttle and clutch? Throttle is just on or off?? Pffff And it’s not just about lock up. The vibration on how deep into your brakes in a real car should be there. It’s not just about lock up.
I might have missed it but how do these compare to the Sim3D? The Simagic ones are more expensive but not a different tier, so I'm deciding between these two. And there are many Etsy 3D printed parts to mount these on other pedals.
Sold! Just one question. I know these pedals can be used as stand alone (still rocking the fanatec dd2 base). Does the simagic software have to be running in the background for vibrations?
Yeah idk why some of the top players act like putting the brake to the floor in acc is good. Im like idk ive tested it and braking feels just as strong without activating abs. Idk why they choose to do so. Ive found my times are better when im not braking as deep. So maybe its just in there head? Lol
Have you resolved your issue with modulating the brakes, spongyness (ie. missing your braking points) @39:50 and long travel? What rubber combinations have you tried?
I have tried several combos. I had an issue with the controller (circuit board) and had to replace that. The brake is still lighter than what I like. But the haptics make up for it :D
Haha sorry :) I messed up one of my camera’s settings so didn’t get the final edit the way I wanted it. And I only get one chance to do a first impressions video 😂
Hi I brought the p1000 plus the haptics, for the brake. but I haven't been able to find a car with ABS in it. I have AC- AMS2- Project Cars 2. I was wondering? if you could give me the name of a car or two that uses ABS! so i can feel the haptic, working in game. I would be forever grateful. I love watching all your videos, I'm a from Australia, and there isn't a lot of these good shows yet. I no your a busy guy, with work and your youtube channel, if you can that would be great.
Thanks for your review! May I ask more about the haptic motors for P1000. Does it support AC / ACC / iRacing / rFactor 2 / Automobilisto 2 / Dirt / Dirt Rally / F1 now? Any full review video on this? Thanks a lot!
@@LaurenceDusoswa oh, so now simhub already can recognise those pedal haptic reactor through simagic controller box? Then do we need to disable rumble in SimPro software to allow simhub to take over? Thanks! Looking forward to you full review!
@@LaurenceDusoswa Oh also, Do you know if this haptic reactor Is really a "linear motor" like buttkicker that moving a piston up-and-down? Or it is similar to others that use rotation motors with uneven weight? Very curious what it makes such effect. Thanks a lot!
The VNM have a lot of advantages too. The haptics are the biggest selling factor for these. But when set up correctly, the VNM are a better pedal set in my opinion
The fanatec clubsport V3 pedal has vibration motor as well which one is better between V3 and this pedal ? The vibration motor in both pedal is same or one better than other? I don't know what to choose between those two pedals
It’s too early for me to say that. Right now I can only tell you that these don’t feel anywhere near as good as the cup1 in their default form. There might be a lot of room for improvement
What is your opinion now when you have these pedals for mouths ? Is it worth a price and are they better than Fanatec V2 and V3 pedals ? :9 you like haptics ?
@@LaurenceDusoswayes it has arrived, and im quite content with it. only wish the brake rumble can be of lower freq. the throttle is lots of fun with rpm rumbling enable. haha. its also a wind + pedal rumble kit, so 1 power plug for both effect. love both of them!. i just wanna try hydraulic brake if it really feels more like actual car brake.
Hey LD. Im after some advice mate. I currently have the Moza Srp pedals with the accessory kit. Im really liking the look of these P1000's. Do you reckon its a worthwhile upgrade? I was thinking of ordering the 2 pedal set with a haptic motor for the brake pedal
@@LaurenceDusoswa Thanks for the reply mate. Looks like I might need to invest in a set. Love the look of them. Have you tried the hydraulic brake upgrade yet? Looks good but not sure if its worth it
@@LaurenceDusoswa I've asked this on various sites and also on Aseteks discord, and apparently you can, but I don't think the haptics will work. Aseteks USB hub is open source (if that's the right term?) and some people have maxed all 5 ports using different devices (Dashboards & stuff) with no drop outs. Hope this helps others.
I'm not a fan of the slogans, I don't mind them on the packaging but not screen printed permanently on the hardware... just make it a sticker. My sim rig has enough fodder for my wife to poke fun at.
I’m not sure when I’d get around to it, being honest. The Simagic motors give more accurate ABS reproduction but other than that, they achieve similar goals. The Simagic integration into the p1000 is great so I’d never tell anyone to buy a p1000 with the sim3d kit. Given a choice, I’d go for the Simagic haptics.
You would need to buy the controller module but I doubt that’s sold separately. But check out ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-d3zB0yqDdI0.htmlsi=IwRhig3tksMwSMqa
Man spent 5 minutes talking about the rgb settings in the software and 7 minutes actually driving with the pedals in assetto corsa, where he never had the pedals set up correctly. Probably should have just reshot the whole segment for assetto and just skipped the rgb part all together.
Trying my best here. Thanks for watching. What you see here is some first impressions stuff, not a review. This is all day 1 with lots cut out so you don’t have to sit through it. If I say useful info during a segment where I’m still exploring initial settings, that will make it into this video. Stay tuned for a long term review. Check out my reviews playlist and you’ll see that those videos have a proper format. Thanks again for watching.
