Simagic vs MOZA Racing... Which Should You Buy? 

For someone that is budget constrained, I think the setup that would make sense is a Simagic Alpha Mini + P1000, and then just get the Moza SGP and HBP. I'd recommend Simagic for the wheelbase and pedals any day.

I’m have the MOZA R16 absolutely fantastic wheel base no issues at all. I’ve had it 7 months use it around 3 hours every day. I’m running the simagic P2000 pedals they are amazing love the hydraulics. I’ve also got the MOZA hand brake and the simagic Q1s sequential shifter. A mixture of the both brands you can build a very nice setup.

Wish I would of saw this before I got my moza setup but definitely relate a lot with the comparison’s here after driving moza after sometime

Great comparison 🔥

I have experience driving Simagic Alpha and MOZA R16, in a blind test I would not be able to distinguish them, except that on the MOZA R16 the curbs feel a little harder. The peripherals don't have to be the same brand, there are better pedals than the P 1000, Heusinkveld Sprint or Caravangoes m2 and both bases are amazing. When first released, the MOZA R21 and MOZA R16 were priced at $1,199 and $999 respectively, which is a rather strange marketing proposition for a newcomer to the industry.

Since I'm just a casual gamer, I like driving around in FH5, I really like drifting even if I'm bad at it, I'm forcing the wheel of my G27 way more than the wheel is helping me. I have AC but I want a better setup before even attempting to learn drifting properly and I also want to play BeamNG and TDU Solar Crown just because TDU2 is the game which made me want to have a sim rig. To save up money I would rather get something between 10 - 15nm instead of 21-23nm, that seems more for F1 and GT3 racing than driving and drifting to me. I'm saving up to get the Simagic Alpha mini with the quick release instead of a wheel so I can get a cheap normal round wheel on it, I want the inverted P1000 with probably the hydraulic kit for the brake pedal but I'm not sure because just the pedals will be such an upgrade I'll be like a pig in $h!t even without it. I'll get the SHH shifter just because I mostly play at night and I don't want to wake up anybody just by shifting. As for the handbrake I'll probably get the Moza one or another ok one just because it will be a huge upgrade from my Fanatec one which flimsy and broke easily. The whole thing is still going to cost me more than 2300$ in my country since the Simagic U is on sale at 1335$ by itself and I wont pay that for sure. I would have to be really nicely sponsored to get that.

A very valuable input, even from a Moza user like myself. I bought Moza R12 + KS when Simagic hasn't come to my country. (thought it does now) I'm a circuit racer and I'm a happy sim racer with my current gear. But, after my own research prior to this video, I myself would recommend Simagic for anyone looking into mid-range DD wheels, and with your input, you're one of the big deciding factor now. :)

i have had the r9 and now own a alpha mini, the alpha mini is more polished for sure, so much that i bought p1000, a q1 and a tb-1 just because of it, the fact that they didnt cheap out on the encoder on the mini vs the r5/r9/r12 helps a lot

Me using my t-300 I’ve had for 2-3 years 😂 guess I’ll go sim magic wheel and pedal set. I have the Moza handbrake already cause my eBay one broke. Good video tho! Great points…. Prime example, drove a z on track for the first time this weekend and I was only missing the feel of the clutch… lmao good points

Comparing high end to high end is misleading. Need to compare like for like products OR the cheapest line up instead. With that said, I do think you make great points and absolutely agree Simagic is more for a good reason, but would still like to compare apples to apples as I think it would be a more useful conversation for new sim racers to understand the true difference.

Compared very well, consistent with my impression

Thx for the honest review and comparison. One question about the R21 though: Did you activate the “hands off protection” function in Pit House? That should *in theory* prevent the oscillation without needing to dial down the raw output. Simagic is tempting, from the Alpha Mini and up, when comparing it with the R9/12 and up. Below that though, the R5 sits in a perfect space for more casual players, as you said.

Sup Brandon, great vid, im sad i have a Moza now lmao. To remove oscillation, in Moza Pit House run the body bumps (10hz) in equalizer to 300%. Run in between 250% to 400% on some cars. When upping the bump it seems like it gives you "correct" data from the game in stead of "guessing" where the front wheels are when driving straight. It removes the oscillation on transition and entry when drifting aswell. It becomes a little more stiff and ffb becomes a little more sharp. I had the same journey that you had, i was sooo mad i bought a dd that did this. Moza software is still a little wonky so i aint praising Moza right now. But i hope this info can help some frustrated moza users out there. :) Cheers

i have Moza r12+KS+SR-P, and i very happy!

Simagic is not that much more for the wheelbase and pedals which are what really matters. For shifters and handbrakes brand doesn't matter as much and there are a lot more options. They are comparatively simple devices that do not require any sophisticated software.

I expected this kind of result in sim-racing you get what you pay for since I'm poor and not interested in the whole esports pro comps type of thing I just typically mess around on AC with a whole multitude of cars so I'm leaning towards an r5 or an r9 with some loadcell pedal kit on a black Friday deal. I'm sure it will be a HUGE upgrade from my current Thrustmaster t248.

You earned yourself a subscriber

I'm on Moza currently, but getting Simagic stuff soon for the same reason. I want to start taking virtual competitive drifting seriously. I have a question though. How did you find (good) people to practice tandems with. I really don't mean to be rude by this but when I go into even VDC servers on Assetto most people are either not very good, not trying to be good (just having fun) which is fine and cool no problem, or they're trolling sitting in the middle of the track on purpose to mess up everyone else in the lobby. I just want a few decent people to practice seriously with though :/

I was already pretty sure I was going to chose the Alpha mini bundle with the p1000, you just confirmed it. Thanks!

was it the v2 moza

I mean I have all moza products and I use my sim every single day

I think you forgot to do a comparison based around single parts because if your doing this you shoulf compare base to base, wheel to wheel, pedals to pedals, the reason why i say this is because you can swap shifters as for your issue with the r21 in drifting you forgot you had the hands free protection which whenever you hit bumps or detect a crash it self centers. Personally it doesnt sound like you do any track driving which also makes it hard to compare though but maybe im wrong just mentioning that because from my knowledge seems like moza is more for track use not for drifting

I'm super happy with my Moza kit. I have a mate who has a high end sim magic kit Alpha U, p2000 etc and honestly - its not a huge difference. I've never used the CRP pedals, but I've modified my SRP pedals and they were great modified. I now run Simsonn pro pedals and really enjoying them. If you want the best of the best, spend big dollars. If you want 80% of the experience and some coin left over for other things, I'm happy with Moza.

Real …. I went simagic 🎉

Let’s say I’m on a budget would you go with the alpha mini or just the alpha

The sweet spot is the alpha, not sure why someone would need more than 10-12 nm of force. It's not very realistic. By the way put some haptic motors from simagic on the p1000 it will blow you away.

Can confirm Moza oscillations are awful, even with all their crutches like x5y3.

i went from r9 to alpha mini. so funny how many of these issues i related to

Let me have the moza

Your never gonna get the real life feeling no matter what wheel and pedals you have 😂😂

hello :) I got information that you have simagic uktimate and could you help me with implementation in some simulators? Apparently I care about RBR / richard burns rally and ASETO CORSA :) thanks in advance regards

What's worse is that moza repeatedly lies about it's product specs but most won't know or be able to tell because they are targeting relative newcomers to DD and those who haven't experienced better. Encoders are not 18 bit even on latest R16v2. Aviation grade aluminum? It's just all marketing BS. Yes it's cheap and affordable which is why the R5 is a recommended product but don't be fooled to think anything beyond that is better. And only Simagic and Simucube have 360hz FFB for iracing. That tells you how much better the hardware and software actually is...and for not much more in price.

the v1 is in the picture

There are literally professional Sim racers that race with a G923 as bad as that sounds So just stop with your entry level /casual racer. You said this was gonna be a comparison not you up there speculating on why people buy MOZA. you’re up there and you sound like a sales rep. I just can’t take you serious.

Is this shifter from simagic also H shifter or sequential only?

Had my moza for few weeks now and genuinely thinking of sending it back the oscillation is awful

Moza R21 is for average user and that's why it's cheap eh?

did you test v2 or v1 moza product?

what abput the t300 rs gt?

i am struggling on the pedal part. I have the wheelbase picked, simucube pro, moza fsr wheel, Rig metal flagship. as for pedals im looking at heuskinveld ultimate+ but thats so steep. not sure of any alternatives because i know you get what you pay for but i just want to buy once.