Simmy Speaks -The SkyClan Problem 

Twigpaw: Darktail! You killed my father! Darktail: No, Twigpaw.... I am your father. Twigpaw: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

SPOILERS: Hawkwing's Journey is about Hawkwing's journey

Hawkwing's Journey is probably the only super edition that fits into an ongoing narrative, I'd honestly consider it required reading to this 6th arc, depending on what happens in shattered sky.

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SkyClan (noun) | fill·er | \ˈfi-lər\ one that fills: as a : a substance added to a product (as to increase bulk, weight, viscosity, opacity, or strength) b : a composition used to fill the pores and grain especially of a wood surface before painting or varnishing c : a piece used to cover or fill in a space between two parts of a structure d : tobacco used to form the core of a cigar e : material used to fill extra space in a column or page of a newspaper or magazine or to increase the size of a work (as a book) f : a pack of paper for a loose-leaf notebook g : a sound, word, or phrase (as “you know?”) used to fill pauses in speaking

I feel like a god when I hear that flowers hasn't read a book I have

There's SO much hinting that Skyclan will live at the lake that, if they don't, it'll be a huge waste. There seems to be extra territory behind Thunderclan and Shadowclan

When you're thirteen and have read more Warriors books than Tenelle

I actually like SkyClan, but I agree, I don't like how they're so disconnected from everything.

I think that I have an idea of who Twigkit and Violetkit's mother is. It's in Hawkwing's journey, so I won't spoil it for youz

I had already kind of figured Violet and Twig were skyclan kits, one, because, as you said, it would tie in nicely with the story, but also because of the part where Twigkit jumped in the air and (I think it was Alderpaw) mentioned how great a jumper she was. I know it's a little tiny detail, but skyclan was known for their ability to leap high into trees, and Firestar made a similar comment in Firestar's Quest when he saw (was her name Cherry?) leap up and bat at a tree branch. But anyways, It never even occurred to me that Violet and Twig are possibly related to Darktail. But that would make so much sense now that you mention it! I mean, just by looking at Darktail's name, and the fact that he seemed to know at least a few details about Skyclan, he clearly had ties with them beyond the point of just being a random rouge who just suddenly felt like invading them. But if that is the case, I wonder how the clans, and even Violetpaw, would handle the news. Some of the clans already don't trust the kits, and with how Violetpaw is, would that make her(possible) future decision to leave the rouges harder or will it make her want to stay even more? It's obvious that Twigpaw would be horrified at the idea of being related to someone like Darktail, but I'm curious about Violetpaw. Speaking of Violetpaw, what are your thoughts on her? Do you think she'll come to her senses or remain with the rouges? I had thought she would leave at first, but with how Thunder and Shadow ended, i'm worried she'll be too willing to follow Needletail down the wrong path unless Twigpaw can prove she loves her. This question sort of goes for Needletail as well. As much as I dislike reforming villains, especially since this series is seriously lacking female villains, I kind of hope Needletail can still be saved. There's clearly something more going on with her, and I wonder if someone else(someone good) showing her some kindness could maybe help her, or maybe she's too far gone with the rouges? Seeing as how her reaction to the fight with Darktail and Rain, along with Rowanstar's defeat, was one of thrill and delight, it makes me wonder.

7:01 oh no please no not another med cat and kit issue im tired of that they do it all the time

"The sky sure looks like a Clan today" OMFG BEST QUOTE EVER

A note, I made that theory before Hawkwing's Journey came out before anyone says anything lol I need to finish reading that book I'm almost done with it I should actually finish it. No spoilers guys! I still really really want those two to be Darktail's daughters though. DRAMA. Oh Skyclan. You try so hard

*Tennelleflowers taking about Echosongs pov in the next book* me: Yeah about that

SPOILERS: hawkwings journey is somewhat about hawkwing

"We cannot have more clans than trees."*BUUUUT* you live in forests. So you should have like eight hundred clans.

You HAVE to read Hawkwing's Journey! Besides being an awesome book, it left a massive cliffhanger at the end. *poke poke*

I actually really liked the Skyclan special editions (especially Skyclan's destiny), and anything to do with them in general. Their separation was a strength, rather than a weakness, and led to some pretty interesting and unique conflicts that we only saw in those books. They felt refreshing to me -shruggles*Nevertheless it would be good to see more of them if they rejoined the other Clans.

Yeah.Hawkwing's Journey explains a lot.

Youuuuu need to read Hawkwing's Journey. And I can't honestly comment on anything else in the video without giving spoilers to it, so yes, you need to read it. From what you've said you'll enjoy it a lot and it'll answer some of your speculation. I 100% believe Skyclan is going to rejoin the other clans, and as for where they'll end up staying, my bet is the territory behind ThunderClan and ShadowClan; They've established through Thunder and Shadow and Bramblestar's Storm that that area can sustain a lot of cats, and the fact that they wouldn't border the lake sort of echoes the way they didn't border fourtrees in the original territory.

At the time that this was released, I posted something on Amino thinking about how Twigkit and Violetkit were possible Pebbleshine and Hawkwing's children, and people doubted me and hell yeah I was right.

I can safely say: This video r/agedlikemilk. Halfway through 2020, and Skyclan has had a massive impact on the clans so far.

I just wanna say that it is VERY possible SkyClan is coming back to the forest. In Moth Flight's super edition book there was a prophesy that all the clans would come together through Moth Flight's descendants. Later Moth Flight gives her four kits to all the different clans where they later start their own families. So now the descendants of Moth Flight are in each clan and her kits will eventually have kits and their kits and have kits and so on and so on. My point is that Moth Flight's kits basically are related to most of the clan. So now it is very possible that somehow Moth Flight's descendants are related to the cats who will help bring SkyClan back to the forest... so yeah. ;)

Wait.... Firestar, Bluestar, Scourge, and Graystripe are related... o-o Graystripe's mate is Silverstream, who's father is Crookedstar, who's brother is Oakheart, who's mate is Bluestar, who's sister is Snowfur, who's son is Whitestorm, who's daughter is Sorreltail, who's mate is Brackenfur, who's sister is Cinderpelt, whos sister is Brightheart, who's mate was Cloudtail, who's uncle was Firestar, who's half-brother is Scourge. You hear that? It's the sounds of minds being blown across the world...

all I will say about Hawkwing's Journey is that it is AWESOME!

YOU HAVE TO READ HAWKWINGS JOURNEY ITS LIKE THE BEST BOOK EVER

Amazing use of Moonkitti's art! I died of laughter when that popped up!

Everything will be made clear when u read hawkwings journey

Hawkwing's Journey is my favorite book out of the Super Edition Books!!! It makes so many great points and has the best cliff hangers when reading in school and your teacher tells you to stop reading and listen to her. xD

Hey guys remember when clear sky let his tail basically get RAN OVER just to save his brother's kits which I think the kit was Black Ear Aslo for those who dont know His brother is gray wing who died from his asthma and I cried like a child

Hawking's journey is awesome u will like it

The real question, When will MistyStar die, she's hella old now and yet FABULOUS.

I'm still convinced Twig and Violet are Hawkwing's kits.

"love 'em or hate 'em" I'm not sure. echosong is dead. it sucks and makes me cry

honestly, hawkwing's journey is the best skyclan-based book.

Considering what happens in Hawkwing's Journey, well, let's just say that basically all of your concerns about SkyClan may just be resolved. That's as far as I can say without spoiling the ending. :') (Also Hawkwing is one of my favorite characters now. Read the book, it's worth it. PS. Echosong is definitely not a mother. Just an FYI. Telling you who the implied parents are (nothing is confirmed, but it's frankly obvious) would be kinda spoiler-iffic.)

OMG TWIGPAW AND VILOTPAW COULD BE HAWKWINGS AND PEBBLESHINES KITS!!!!!

Hawkwing's journey: Too much feels

"abandoned by a skyclan queen" i shouldnt have watched this after reading their mothers story im gunna cry again

I believe that Twig-paw and Violet-paw are the daughters of Hawk-wing and Pebble-shine. Since Pebble-shine is taken away by a chicken truck in Hawk-wings Journey.... Pebbleshine was expecting kits at the time with Hawkwing. So Hawk-wing looks very alike to Echosong and Pebbleshine looks just like Darktail. So yeah that's my theory

Also, during Alderpaw's quest, when he was healing some cat that I couldn't care to look back and remember, Darktail was very fascinated with what he was doing, and watched him carefully from what I remember. So he could have loved what Echosong was doing, as he held such high interest for it. Either that, or he realized that he was knowledgeable on what Echosong was doing. *Shrugs* I wouldn't know, just spouting out ideas. I like that idea, it seems very fascinating to think that Darktail and Echosong could be their mothers.

Hawkwing, Pebbleshine, Twigpaw, Violetpaw, Skyclan, Kin. That is it

😂 i broke out laughing when i heard of "billystorm" just broke out laughing

Tenelle! What if Twigpaw and Violet paw are Hawkwing and Pebbleshine's kits! ((Conspiracy theory))

This whole video is accidental foreshadowing for the rest of Vision of Shadows.

TBH, i thought once Sol came into the books i thought he would talk about SkyClan, then Firestar would be like: DANG! I ALMOS T FORGOT ABOUT THAT! HEY LIONBLAZE! JAYFEATHER AND HOLLYLEAF!!! CAN YOU GO GET THE TRASH I LEFT BEHING IN THE OLD TERRITORY!

I’m glad you didn’t diss Leafstar in this video. I see a lot of people do that and I don’t know why, she’s my favorite character! Anyways, I agree with you and I want them to have more of a part in the story. I enjoy them being their own little story, but I want them to tie in with the others!

These problems were solved in Hawkwing's Journey!

The sky sure looks like a clan today

They're gonna go somewhere, we're all impatient though. Ahem, Vision of Shadows.

It's actually funny to watch this a year later, because, well, AVoS is almost over now, so Great video!

Dang it, I have to wait until at least after Christmas to finish watching this video because I don't have any of the AVoS books, nor even the last three DotC books. I don't go buy a new book every time one gets released, and unless I get it as a gift for my birthday or Christmas it comes out of my own pocket, and I'm only an unemployed 16 year old. :P

I love watching things like this a few years after, so I can scream into my pillow at "Onestar's thoughts on SkyClan/final lives" now ~

3:29 My life in a nutshell :'(

I love your analyzing videos! Also Hawkwing's Journey is amazing! You'll love it!

Rah! The Last Lope is going to be release in 2017's beginning in France!

Theories are fantastic, haven't read all Hawkwings Journey yet but got it for Christmas

I have the book Hawkwings journey edit: Okay.... I Will spoil it for you .... they get exiled again

Pulling SkyClan back into the main series? Like a beloved character? *hums knowingly*

Embrace what you find in the shadows for only they can clear the sky 😩 What you find in the shadows IS Violetkit it and twigkit and the sky is skyclan so I believe that they will save skyclan 🤗

boy do i wish violetshine and twigbranch were the kits of echosong and darktail that would make for such an interesting storyline

Hawkwing's Journey gives the answers to all of your theories... Read it asap! xD

I just finished Hawkwing's journey and It's amazing. It's so emotional in both a good and bad way.

I haven't read Hawkwing's Journey either. I don't have much faith in the Erin's anymore and run under the assumption that Warriors is going into a downward spiral from which it will never return. But yet, here I am, still talking about it... I had a theory that Twigpaw and Violetpaw were kits of Jesse and Bramblestar. Crazy? Yes, of course, even I don't believe it. I just like to think of it and laugh my ass off wondering if the idea ever occurs to the Erin's, are they actually brain-dead enough to use such a contrived and forced plot twist to invent drama?

Well, 6 years later and SkyClan has been fully moved to the Lake Territories. I can't really speak to how they affect anything since I haven’t gotten to that point yet, but atleast they're connected to the rest of the clans now.

I gave up on Firestar's Quest to be honest. I found it just to be terribly boring, and I stopped a little way after they met Harveymoon (I think that's the cat, the two kittypets just nicknamed him Mooney). The only time I have read a book with SkyClan in it was Ravenpaw's Farewell, and that was only because Ravenpaw's my favourite character in the entire Warriors universe. I'm probably gonna get the other books like the manga trio and SkyClan's Destiny, but only because it'll just feel weird to not have a Warriors book in my Warriors collection, lol.

"clear the sky."... I swear, _every_ time I read/hear that line, I think of Clear Sky, I then it makes me really want there to be a scene where one of the cats or maybe a questing group is shown the history in Dawn of the Clans, going along the arc, maybe in snippets, but still there. *sigh* I'm waiting Erins. I'm waiting. Do not disappoint me!

Who is eagerly awaiting the warrior cat movie?!?!

Echosong and Darktail being the parents honestly sounds so much better than a random Hawkwing and Pebbleshine :/

billystorm...?...i only know the german books...there he is called goatstorm...

Well I think that (after reading Hawkwing's Journey) that Hawkwing and Pebbleshine are Violetpaw and Twigpaw's parents. At the end of Hawkwings Journey Echosong says to Hawkwing, "After i went to sleep, I had a vision of a young she-cat who looked exactly like you, Hawkwing." And if you google it, you'll see that Hawkwing and Twigkit do look alike.

oh my god the theory for violetpaw and twigpaw is such a good idea. I was amazed by how it could work . Before you mentioned Echosong and Darktail, I thought the parents would be a regular queen and warrior . Echosong was a middle aged cat while firestar was quite young when he visited. Darktail is pretty much Firestar's age at this point though. I think Echosong would have died before any kits were born. Maybe the mother was a queen who escaped darktail's awful rule and took young kits/ her pregnant self with her. Maybe the father was a loyal follower of darktail. Twigpaw and violetpaw could find this out when sky clan comes back and elders could share the stories or their parents. Just guessing☺️

Twig paw and violet paw are the kits of pebble shine and hawkwing and while they were looking for food pebble shine found a chicken in the back a truck, getting carried away while pregnant. She gave birth and then died somehow.

Fucking hell I've gotta read up on warriors :V So many books T_T I cant keep up

When I read Vision of Shadows I was so surprised. My fan fiction was so similar to some of those theories of yours, and before I knew vision of shadows had even began, some of the themes in the the fanfic were so similar it was scary.

If you haven't read half of the SkyClan books you shouldn't make a negative video of them.

*grabs fire star’s quest book and flips to the part we know part of skyclan* IM DAMN GOD READY

what do you think twigpaw's warrior name will be? (I think it would be twigleaf...idk why)

I absolutely love SkyClan and I have no idea why

I agree with you Tennelle I would love to see Skyclan reunite with the 4 clans, and that theory of Echosong being their mother.

I love this video! I started reading warriors this month and I'm only on forest of secrets but I'm OBSESSED ALREADY!!! And I heard about warriors from you tennelle !!!

Spoilers for Hawkwing's Journey I personally think Twigpaw and Violetpaw are kits of Hawkwing and Pebbleshine. I mean, it could make sense; the prophecy about how to embrace what they find in the shadows and it will clear the skies. The vision of Echosong, where she sees a she-cat looking remarkably similar to Hawkwing (cough, Twigpaw) with a five-pointed leaf at her paws (you know, 5 Clans? The blazing Star? 'It will CLEAR THE SKIES'!?) And not to mention Pebbleshine got carried away by that truck, so it is remotely possible she was carried to, I dunno, the farm nearby the Clans' lake territory, and she gave birth there. The timelines all match up, too; by the time Alderpaw and his Questing team arrives at SkyClan territory at the gorge, it's already deserted, implying that they have already left. Seeing that Darktail's rogues were still occupying the gorge during Hawkwing's Journey, we know they have left for the rest of the Clans much later than SkyClan. Twigpaw and Violetpaw are approximately 9.5 moons old as of Thunder and Shadow, and Queens are pregnant for 2 moons before kitting. So that gives us plenty of time for Darktail to travel to the Clans to where we are now... And Hawkwing's foster kits are slightly older than Twig and Violet, but by the end Hawkwing's Journey the time is probably in between the events of Apprentice's Quest and Thunder and Shadow...

I’m listening to this all right now and then forgetting it the next second

Wait! In german, it means Cloudclan, so I never thought about it, but what does the symbol mean? I see a cloud (not a verry nice on) in that.

I loved SkyClan's Destiny, because there were less prophecies and more of how the Clan works, warrior ceremonies, hunting, patrols, etc. It's my favourite special edition, along with Tallstar's Revenge.

HAWKWING IS TWIGPAW FATHER

At first I was scared it was going to be about 'Skyclan is useless why have them be brought back? etc' But I was pleasantly surprised with what you said!~ I've always had a fondness for Lonesome Skyclan, but always hated that they were in their solitude. Especially when they did those 'gatherings' where they shared the news of the clan. It was kind of a wake up call at what they were missing. So I am hoping hoping that it does become the five clans again too!

Me watching this in 2020: oh no no no, oh no no no.. BAHAHAHAHHA XDDD ohhhh I’m crying of laughter, that theory was sooo wrong but also smart.. yet wrong :p

Oh, wow. I've always been irked about SkyClan but i've never been able to put it into words as to why?? You totally just described what i've been feeling for like... the past 8 years lmao

I just want to add.. Skyclan sorta did do their best at surviving. You can't blame them for having daylight warriors, or whatever other reasons you have to hate them. Most of these comments are haters of Skyclan, for some reason? I mean.. Tenelle, you've had a lot of videos where I just don't get why you get so annoyed/aggravated about stuff like a warriors movie and ships, etc. I respect other people's opinions, I just want to stand up for Skyclan's reputation. They should be treated just like any other clan.

Hawkwing's journey was the first warrior book I read

Listening to simmy’s theory about twig paw and violet paw being echosong and darktail’s parentals made me actually laugh

I just literally started watching this like 2 minutes after I read the 3 skylab and the stranger books and they're GREAT

hi, I'm a robot from the future. I'm here to tell you that.. skyclan came back.

Thank you for this! Now I'm a bit closer to having a future world developed for the clans in the fanfic I'm writing!

I think a cool idea for tying the Three to SkyClan would be to PUT THEIR TRAVEL BOOKS TO USE. The Three would get a message from a StarClan cat, Firestar/Sandstorm, or Cloudstar/Skywatcher, and they would travel to bring SkyClan to the Clans. The excuse for this could be the Clan cats realizing they don't have enough numbers, and with the SkyClan cats, they have just enough to beat the Dark Forest. Plus, the could tie this in with Sol's return, with them coming while Sol is bothering the Clan cats and remind him there's a better way. (Bright Guardian Akira-inspired) He could disagree, leave, and return to the Clans like he promised in The Forgotten Warrior during AVoS or TBC to be the opposite of Tree, a _SkyClan cat_ who is important through both of those arcs.

I can't wait until you finish Hawkwing's Journey! I'd like someone to analyze it!

I'm so frickin hyped for something that may not even happen now