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Simon Lorenzi Shares the Story of Soudain Seul V17/9A 

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Simon Lorenzi is a world-class climber from Belgium and the first person to climb three boulders graded 9A/V17.
We talked about lessons from his three hardest boulders, tactics for trying ‘Burden of Dreams’ in -13°C, the projecting bubble, the goal of struggling, dealing with bad weather on ‘Alphane’, facing frustration with optimism, using a book under his kneepad on the FA of ‘Soudain Seul’, dream V18 projects, and much more!
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@thenuggetclimbing
@thenuggetclimbing 2 месяца назад
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@madraven5915
@madraven5915 2 месяца назад
So much negativity in the comments. Please people, be kind and piss off. The guy is a master of bouldering, and is honest about the measures he took. When talking about ethics, lets talk about the Madrock Drone that Steven is advertising. The heel has an edge, specifically to grab edges. Now that is aid if anything is. But even that, won't get my piss boiling as much as all these bloody armchair critics.
@bongsup5079
@bongsup5079 2 месяца назад
This gave me idea of a knee pad with one of them small ball pumps on it to inflate it and really lock ur knee in
@theconnelsss
@theconnelsss 2 месяца назад
Amazing boulderer and seems like a really nice guys aswell, wp Simon can't wait to see your next achivement
@sket179
@sket179 2 месяца назад
Ondra said, that when younger, he would climb with knee jams and just endure the pain, and take precautions, or climb with jeans. For him, knee bar pads are a way to reduce the pain. Like jam gloves. Other methods work, but it hurts the skin more and reduces the possibility to project as hard. This I understand. Using kneebar pads to significantly improve grip so that once unusable rest becomes a rest, is questionable. Using a book to make something a rest that in no other way would be a rest for you, is aid. Remove the book and kneepad and the route is too hard. It's not about reducing the pain. Some routes are impossibly hard for short people, and some for tall people. Some are impossible for people with short fingers etc. The list goes on. Some routes are never doable for me, or many others, because of our physical limitations. Not even the strength or skill, but merely our measurements. That's ok. It's clear to everyone that tying metal hooks onto your wrists or onto your shoes to use them to get a rest would be aid. It's admirable that he climbed this line and now others can try it. If someone else should climb it without a book or even without a knee bar pad, I'd say they've climbed it more purely.
@tyluna7692
@tyluna7692 2 месяца назад
ok master, thanks for the wisdom
@pizzapizzahotdog
@pizzapizzahotdog 2 месяца назад
Dude is crazy strong and all the glory to him for this achievement. However, I don t know if this kind of aid should be considered as a normal part of bouldering (like shoes or chalk). To better ilustrate my point: Some boulders are quite morpho, but I wouldn' t say that short guys trying those kind of problems can use ladder or start from stack of 5 pads and still claim the ascent (or maybe it should be considered as the ascent in new discipline - book bouldering). Genetics do not justify non-standard tools imo. But again, no hate - Simon you are amazing !
@michel_samuel
@michel_samuel 2 месяца назад
i mean if you allow kneepads i don't see why a book under a kneepad would be considered aid (i'm not a fan of kneepads myself, especially when ppl are repeating boulders/routes FAd without kneepads with kneepads and claiming the grade - or worse, downgrading the boulder/route)
@zacharylaschober
@zacharylaschober 2 месяца назад
How many pads may be used to establish a start before becoming aid in your mind, cause this is a rather common tactic and indirectly used since most climbers start off at least one pad. I mean... climbers stack pads atop a wagon for the high version of Off the Wagon. As to the book somehow being aid... plenty of climbers try to consider knee pads aid as is, all the book does is make the knee pad bulkier. Then we start considering shoes because while the softer and agile side tends to be for the advantage over barefeet, stiff and rigid shoes allow us to stand on footholds we simply could not. Think this all comes to the spirit of the equipment. Simon could not hold enough tension through the knee bar, but the book beneath the pad was there to help him do the move, not bypass the move like if he strapped some 2x4s to his leg and wedged those in the rock.
@elremito
@elremito 2 месяца назад
I think people should relax with rules, it’s climbing not an election! As long as he’s honest with the way he did it, let him use a book and then you can decide whether you admire him for it (I do). If someone wants to climb Burden with a ladder and say they did, it’s fine with me, I just won’t think to myself « what an amazing climber ».
@sket179
@sket179 2 месяца назад
You can play chess only if you adhere to the agreed rules. Otherwise the game is no longer chess. Ondra said about kneepads that those are like jamming gloves or tape. Earlier times you would climb with jeans and endure the pain of knee jams. But adding things beyond that makes it aid climbing. The shoes have gotten better, but they're still shoes. Chalk might be better, but its still chalk.
@elremito
@elremito 2 месяца назад
@@sket179Only climbing outdoors is NOT chess, no one looses when you win. Competition climbing needs rules, outdoor climbing only needs honesty.
@21nGG
@21nGG 2 месяца назад
He’s climbed 3 V17’s and people who don’t even climb v4 are trying to discredit him haha
@mikej243
@mikej243 2 месяца назад
Backseat climbing is such a disease lately. I appreciate when people like Zander Waller have the credibility of climbing Sleepwalker to eventually downgrade and give his opinion. Similar goes for Brooke Raboutou's opinions on Box Therapy. Everyone commenting on Simon's send like they're even on his level is laughable and gatekeeping a boulder they'll never climb in their life is dumb.
@hillsandtreesmtb6343
@hillsandtreesmtb6343 2 месяца назад
To me if you can't climb it without using the book in your knee pad. You can't climb it. It's actually cheating the problem.
@dylansmith3452
@dylansmith3452 2 месяца назад
What if it was just a thicker knee pad
@hillsandtreesmtb6343
@hillsandtreesmtb6343 2 месяца назад
@@dylansmith3452 knee pads are a grey area already as aids to climb. It doesn't bother me because of your using one you're probably above the average climber in talent and experience. But adding a book to improve the thickness or increasing it seems to be pushing that limit. Climbing is supposed to be a pure sport. Hands and feet
@Gnilesington
@Gnilesington 2 месяца назад
Well, to me if you can’t ride your bike down a hill without full suspension. You can’t ride it. It’s actually cheating the downhill trail.
@hillsandtreesmtb6343
@hillsandtreesmtb6343 2 месяца назад
@@Gnilesington No it's actually necessary in order to do the sport at all. An e-bike metaphor would have worked better for you. Just sayin 😉
@shurik_skalolaz
@shurik_skalolaz 2 месяца назад
Nah bro
@everythingviral972
@everythingviral972 2 месяца назад
Snorrrrr
@areichental
@areichental 2 месяца назад
Books are aid, confirmed.
@TLPWRlifter
@TLPWRlifter 2 месяца назад
This is just cheating, whoever gets the boulder next is first ascent.
@Arithmophobia
@Arithmophobia 2 месяца назад
Hate to break it to you but the person Who FAs a boulder gets to decide the ethics for it (eg: if you're allowed to grab the tree root on the topout, or allowed to stack pads) It is absolutely not decided by a person sitting on their couch who will never do the boulder.
@TLPWRlifter
@TLPWRlifter 2 месяца назад
@@Arithmophobia I don't even count this as a first ascent. This is like using sticky tar to hold onto holds because you don't have strong enough fingers. Kneepads and jam gloves are meant to protect your skin or to avoid unnecessary damage, not to allow you to make moves you would have been physically incapable of doing otherwise.
@Arithmophobia
@Arithmophobia 2 месяца назад
@@TLPWRlifter its not a matter of how strong he was, his leg literally wasn't long enough to reach it, no amount of training is gonna make your leg longer, and i don't think he cares what you count as a first ascent
@TLPWRlifter
@TLPWRlifter 2 месяца назад
@@Arithmophobia Exactly and he was incapable of doing the climb without it. There are benefits and detriments to limb length and cheating your way into doing a move your body otherwise would be incapable of doing is cheap. Also plenty of people in this comment section agree with me it's not like this is a fringe belief. I'm also certain plenty of other cheaters don't care what other people think.
@Hoolagun
@Hoolagun 2 месяца назад
I wouldnt do it if i cant without a book. But its an important distinction that its his climb, he makes the rules. Climbing is a freestyle sport with many grey areas so its better to start your claims with "in my opinion"