Simucube's 360Hz iRacing FFB is NOT WHAT YOU THOUGHT 

Beyond the scope of this video, but one important thing to note is that most Direct Drive wheel bases include some kind of interpolation filter to effectively increase the rate in which the feedback you receive to your hands is updated, but this isn't the same as receiving raw data at a higher sample rate.

As a SC2Pro owner im impressed. Its only a little more detail, but it just elevates the experience. Shout out to a Morad guy who made a superb profile, Dion Fiallo. I can highly recommend his profile.

This is a great video that inherently touches on some of the issues simulation peripheral companies will ultimately have to address in the future. Rather than spec chasing and just simply looking for higher numbers being higher (or lower for latency) we have to look at the quality of the signal and the final integration. Simucube like other wheel makers can only do so much with the data provided. We are always at the mercy of the data, we cannot make something that isn't there. So ultimately this is a great update but the total experience relies on the quality of the physics data coming from the game first, proper transmission, and then a proper electro mechanical reproduction (which involves many sub systems but more importantly algorithms). Even if you don't feel this 'update' it is heading in the right direction and away from the era of "effect's based simulation", to true real-time simulation.

I purchased one of the early SC2 Pro units and have been using it with IRFFB for many years, driving the Renault 3.5 V8 Formula B car I felt the seat of pants effect (oversteer) plus understeer (trail braking) very helpful, the latency did not seem to slow me down, a few top split RU-vid broadcast wins as well as much higher iRating drivers regularly getting smaller in my mirrors, In my opinion I don't think the latency was a huge problem if any, I tried the new 360hz since Dan Suzuki's video and with the same Pro Drive settings I was using with IRFFB it feels very close to what I have been using for years, great to see Simucube working with iRacing and getting this working, great job Will explaining the work behind the scenes in more detail and for Mika to provide the technical stuff, keep up the great work.

Best thing I did was sell the DD pro and pick up the simucube 2 pro. Loved the video, agree with you as you forget it's there! Love your work Will

Thanks for the vid! It's nice to see advancements in this area but as a non-Simucube user I'm content with irFFB 👍

I believe Sebring has all of the textures and can confirm with the 360hz you feel everything. I did the update from Sunday to yesterday and the road felt completely different.

I updated true drive and tried the 360hz in Iracing. For me it is a game changer. Everything feels much better (road surface , understeer , oversteer etc ) I love it !

Thanks for breaking this down, Will. It sounds then as though this could be good for muscle memory learning, in terms of gaining information that could otherwise have been missed, especially in spiky situations where interpolation might lose resolution. I'll have to spend time with it at tracks I know well to see if I can feel a difference. It would be interesting if it adds information about unexpected loss in some situations.

I did not know iracing was only at 60 hz FFB. Now that explains why sometimes it just does not feel as smooth as assetto corsa. I hope they would just bump the native support to something like 120hz. IMO it would be enough without having to deal with the 16ms added delay.

Try it on the Indy IR-18 I tried the new 360 HZ using the Dan Suski profile. It worked well in F1 Cars but when I switched to the IR-18 I got a notchy bumpy feeling when turning the wheel. Really noticible when in the pit box just turning the wheel while not moving or just at slow speeds. I also noticed that the bumps at autoclub were to violant and would rotate the wheel 20-30 degrees back and forth down the straight. I tried my old setting with the low latency at 20% and the slew rate maxed out and the wheel had an dangerously high extreme vibration that started to tear my rig apart to the point I had to shut it off. After some trouble shooting I found that the Vibration went away with the low latency below 8%. But that notchyness did not go away. I’m also seeing a lot of profiles with the slew rates reduced to as low as 1nm/sec to eliminate the notchyness. The SC2 can do 9nm/sec. Tuning it down to 1 is just making it behave like a cheap entry level wheel.

iRacing needs to get act together and take the huge challenge of joining the modern world and upgrade their FFB refresh rate to 360 or higher like AC, ACC or AMS2 so we can get finally feel detailed information stored in the laser scanned track.

Can't wait for the Simagic HPR review. Mostly because iRacing started supporting them, albeit it was buggy so they pulled it out for now but will work on it.

If I do end up upgrading from the CSL DD to the CS DD, I will 100% be using your affiliate links!

iRFFB had the directjoy (vjoy?) option as well which had lower latency than native iRFFB if I remember rightly.

Old man senses! Love it! Thanks for representing!

Will, i had trouble originally getting the 360Hz FFB to work. I was using iRacing Manager to start TrueDrive, Simhub & Crewchief etc. The reason it wasn’t working was that TrueDrive needs to be running before iRacing is started and using iRacing Manager that wasn’t the case. However, having got it working i was a little disappointed to find it feels a little rubbery even with the Reconstruction Filter set at 1. Each to their own though and I’m more than happy with the 60Hz force feedback.

I wouldn’t say that feeling a rumble strip through the wheel is a small effect. Should have already been implemented, especially for a pay as you play sim.

Watching this makes me wonder if I should maybe move to an SC wheel base. Been running a VRS base for almost 4 years now.

Only youtuber on the planet that doesnt put simagic feel being identicla to simucube. Def down to settings brotha. Race beyond matters, laurence and many more all say the ultimate feels idnetical to the simucube pro. All had the bases side by side. Actually race beyond mattwes ende dup changinf his daily rig to simagic over his simucube pro2. Its not just about curb detials or road tectuee. Irs about feeling the limit of grip. The way the wheel snaps with corrections. Also if yoy turn down settings just to avoid a littoe noise or effects of course its going to reduce detail but you could turn that slider up to 20 and get way way to much detail. Wheelspeed at 100, details at 100% and you get insane details shale rig type of details every bump and road texture and curb feel you could ask for. More then my dd+. This is why people have to look at many reviews then weifh them out because everyone likes different settings and its slways based on that. Every single base at the high end has the details eachother have. Thats just facts. All about settings. Also simagics ffb delivery is the smoothest i felt but yes it lokes letting yoy feel the rpms at high speeds. But it also tells you when abs kicks in and when tc kicks in but nobodu ever talks about that but the base gives you those queues and its the only base ive felt do that. Just loke the wheels flash when abs kicks in or when you lock up or when tc kicks in. All amazing features other brands just do not do. Can always tell when someone has a grudge against a brand or doesnt when hes the only one standing out in the crowd saying the complete opposite everyone else does. Im sry most of us at this higher end have tried the bases and every single person ive talked to about simagic have all stated it reminds them of the simucube pro2. They are almost identicla with how they feel, move and ffb implementation to the point even granit aka simucube mentioned them being the reason they need to step up there game! So thats straight from the horses mouth. I've yet to see you turn the detail setting up or the interpelation filter up or turn the smoothness filter down. I wsnt to feel raw textures and details and simagic is the best at it. Also wheelspeed helps with the delivery alot and speed. Snap is a detail of ffb. Feeling the edge of grip is details, feeling the suspension move and load up and unload is details. Not just bumps. Simagic is the best ive ever fwlt with suspension feeling the loading and unloading and the limit of grip. The snap also it makes you a better deiver due to the abilities to correct your movements. When turning in its like a real car where the forced bounce back instead of just getting stuff snd then vibrating which most actually dislike aka fanatec does that lol. Just saying go to all different reviewers and you get different things said. Its subjective and nothing is factual from any one of you because its preference. Laurence didnt like the way asetek feels in acc. Random callsigns didnt like asetek more then fanatec or vice versa. See? All opinions but one thing everyone ive seen agree on is simagic feels like simucube.

So it's iRFFB without the effects turned on. Thanks.

Any plans from iRacing on actually increasing their ffb update rate?

The delay is 16.7ms because that is the time between 60hz updates. The software needs to delay wheel updates by a single cycle in order to generate the intermediate update records. This is basically the FFB equivalent of FSR/DLSS frame generation for GPU output.

I am surprised you didn't test in the rain because I am hearing really good things regarding added feeling and details in the rain which IMO were lacking

Trust me to be dissatisfied with a CSL DD and watch on as cool new updates roll out here with Simucube first! 😅 (In my defence, when FFB strength suddenly dips mid-corner, it's an exercise in crash avoidance at some spots)

I really like the changes, there is definitely more detail. So far tried mx5, vee and ff1600 at summit, oulton and Sebring.

I can feel a little more detail, but was hoping to get FFB closer to LMU, but that's not the case yet!

This 60hz rate is one of my biggest critiques of iRacing over the years. At 300km/hr with a ffb rate of 60hz you travel 1.3m between updates, at 200km/hr that's still 88cm between updates. Think about that and what it really means for different drivers running the sim on different PC's.

Thanks for this review! I am curious about how this compares to the 360hz mode that iRacing implemented for the Logitech G Pro DD a little while back. I think a fair test would be to turn off TrueForce too. I’ve been running the Logi DD wheel purely for this reason, and putting up with the lack of wheel options. Would love to hear from you regarding this, thanks as always.

Thanks Will! Please do more direct cross comparisons between the bases. You've said they've all gotten to point where they are very good but it would still help a lot to dive into the minute details that do set some bases apart from the others, especially now that there are so many options in the midrange field (where such direct comparisons are practically non existent). Would love to see direct comparisons between Simagic Alpha Mini, Fanatec CS DD, Moza R12, Asetek La Prima, G-Pro and then between the Simagic Alpha, CS DD+, Simucube Sport, Asetek Forte, Moza R16 etc. I don't think anyone else has such broad access to this hardware that you have so this would be a great resource for a lot of people.

With the update and my existing Truedrive configuration I'm feeling "grainyness" and not in a good way. Never felt that running at 60hz. Does anyone have suggestions to eliminate the grainyness other than raising the reconstruction filter above 1?

Hey Will. Great video. I also had trouble getting this to work. So followed you instructions with ini file. This worked and I got high data rate enabled in true drive, until I dragged my old ini file back in then then the high data rate wouldn't work. Any ideas or suggestions?

Yeah I am really not that excited about the fact they just added in an interpolation layer instead of doing the FFB properly. I understand the SimuCube team worked on this them selves so it's better than nothing. Sounds interesting that the wheelbase telemetry might be opened up in the future. I am currently forking irFFB and working along side rob to see if I can solve some of the issues with it but I much prefer the wheel slip stuff from irFFB. Latency I find minimal anyway, and if you compare it to screen draw timings (not just screen latency) it's still less. But again its preference because Brains are funny.

Good helpful info and video, as always.

I was wondering why my ffb felt more detailed recently. I especially noticed it on kerbs and just assumed that i somehow ended up using a different profile by accident or something

I wonder if asetek will offer a similar update.

So it does the same thing as the iRFFB app? Simply put, upscale from 60 to 360 Hz. I have been using this for a couple of years now with a Thrustmaster TS PC base, and now with the CSL DD 8. I won't drive in iRacing without iRFFB running.

Sebring has the 3d kerbs too. That would have been an even better circuit to test with all of the character in the track

Great video thanks! I’m not liking the update at all - the ‘noise’ or vibration coming from the wheel on straights feels horrible to me. Feel like I’m missing something as the general view seems very positive. It’s worse at certain tracks - Imola and Road America were very noticeable.

Maybe Im just old but I felt a huge difference, it was like the condom broke finally. Dont feel/see any latency, saw tooth kerbs feel pretty good.l, tyre contact patch feels better and I have saved the car multiple times now, where before I definitely would have crashed/spun. I can also brake and slide the car sideways underneath other cars now! Interesting that it is not true 360hz !

Regarding the difference in detail you felt between the SC2U and the Asetek Invicta. Did you try reducing the direct input filters on the Simucube software? I have found that the ones that are active can affect quite a bit the feel. Of course now when using the 360Hz API these filters are no longer utilized.

Why can’t iracing update the 60hz to something more modern, surely they have enough resources and money to do so.

Hi Will nice video. Do you think the feeling will any different using the SC2Pro?

40 is the new 20 Will

I'm confused here. The six data points sent are the current one and the previous five. The previous data has already been sent in terms of time. Shouldn't we immediately use the current data upon receipt? This is to minimize latency, isn't it?

Will great video as always! I had to dump my app.ini and get the game to create a fresh one, since I must have been using a very old build before trying iRacing again recently. In any case was able to copy back in my FOV and other settings from the old .ini file within the new file to get it all working. Curious about your Okayama detail; do you know a few other tracks in iRacing that may have correctly/fully modeled curbs like that? Is there a list online somewhere anyone know of? As an infrequent user I'd love to try to get back into iRacing but would do better on a track in know very well like spa, daytona road, summit point, etc... In any case, thanks for the great content as always.

Hey Will, why do you use too much damping, too much friction and too much inertia and static force reduction in your simucube profile? How do you perceive the details of the road if you use these exaggerated values of filters? I do not understand. In my opinion Simucube bases don't need to be filtered in that way.

Just Curious, would you run the same profile in all cars. (ie) V8 Supercars?

I got so stoked hearing you are going to review the DK2+ platform from sigma! I’ve been researching into Sigma Integrale (mostly for the dk6 to purchase myself) but I’m still excited to hear your thoughts nonetheless.

I didn’t feel a big difference. Maybe a bit more smoother with a bit more detail.

Does Okayamas curbs project to simhub rumble effects better?

As a Moza r9 user, I’m not sure why I’m here 😂

Nearly 40 here too Will, I feel your pain mate haha

"interpolation" i hate that word, first time i heard it was in digital camera's, "Software Post Processing" Now 16.7ms or 29ms delay is huge, avarage TV is 9ms, with Game Mode

Can't they bring 360Hz to SC1 owner ? SC1 and SC2 have the same sensor if I'm not mistaking

Hello, are there your profiles on paddock? Why do you only use 50% on the basis, what Max force value do you use in iracing in general with gt3.

Will, can you elaborate more on how to fix it when it doesn't say 'highdata' in the true drive software? I have the latest software but i can't get it to work.

How does it compare to Logitech's implementation with their DD wheel?

Iracing updates at 60hz? Isnt that really slow? I play ACC on my PS5 with a Thrustmaster T300 and it says my refresh rate is 400hz 😮 Is that correct? If so, then why the hell is Iracing so far behind? I've never tried Iracing but 60hz can't possibly feel anything like 400hz right? (I don't know much about the refesh rate stuff but it's very interesting)

Do u have any news from other brands about this support?

Old man at 40'ish Will??? Damn you, I'm 60, so I guess I'm ancient!!!

Are you at the Melbourne GP!

Kinda sad that Iracing is only 60hz when Simagic is 40khz

Does anyone know if this will be coming to asetek

Since the update i have some vibrations when on the tarmac at sebring that seems weird, is it only me ?

im already hyped for de dk2+ review! 😁

One sentence: Automobilista 1, 720hz physics, 500hz FFB rate.

where do you get the DNB from, im a dj and you play good music

Thanks! :)

Will Fantec follow suit with this technology?

Hi Will, does my fanatec DD2 have the bandwidth to get improved HZ in future iracing updates? Thank you and great video mate

commenting to feed the algorithm

Qubic System?

is your wheelbase noisy on reconstruction filter 0? or 1?

I've been saying on every sim channel for years. I have had 360hz on iracing for years. irffb free program. It makes FFB way better on iracing. It's like no one wants to admit and I'm shut down. Makes sense now they wanted to own it and not promote it

I think it’s safe to say it’s best to wait for the 1000hz with 0.5ms delay model to release. 16ms delay is beyond playable!

why only Simucube?

So wait, IRFFB's 29ms latency is unplayable for you but 16.7ms is unnoticeable? That's a 12.3ms difference, c'mon.

Is this only for Iracing or does it impact AC and ACC. Im hoping its the latter

iRacing has been almost frozen in development for years. They need to rewrite a lot of their code, still. True 400 or 1000Hz FFB would be nice. YOu running 4x4k monitors at 120Hz possibly are already around 50ms latency on the visuals (meaning it takes 50ms to show on screen the consequences of your inputs). Sim Racing at our level, with the games we play, latency is a reality.

Are you using irffb in addition to the new update?

Wait.... WoT? The game hasn't changed... it still running at 60hz. iRacing just added an algorithm that invents samples.

I lost you 5min into the video haha

So its just DLSS for force feed back

60Hz physics is crazy low!

iracing is at 60hz? 😂time to stop paying for that crap

I can't believe iRacing is using people's constant funding to NOT UPDATE core physics models in the game after all this time 😂😂

Will are you ok? You seem a little manic.

so this is not a feature, it's just some other money-grabbing technique

Unpopular (but realistic) opinion: A human cannot discern 360Hz from 60Hz FFB I'd like to see a semi-scientific experiment to prove or disprove that!

2nd :)

bro has a 100k simrig and sits in there like he doesnt know how to sit perfect in a car. I dont understand why he buys a sim rig like that and dont even know how to sit in it.

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