The theatrical version is much better. It starts with Hartigan's story, but only the first quarter. Then it winds into Marv's story, then Dwights, and finishes back with Hartigan's. It works so well.
Yep. And also it starts (prologue) with the assassin killing the woman at the party and book-ends (epilogue) with the same assassin meeting Alexis character in the elevator, implying she's gonna die for he betrayal. In this version the elevator scene was shown before The Big Fat Kill so obviously it wasn't the same impact. Such a shitty cut seriously :( Everyone watch the theatrical release please.
Yeah, somebody tell these RU-vidrs that the directors cut is not always the best one. Like in terminator2 they kill a Doggo for no reason 😢 the dream sequence with Kyle wasn’t good enough for the life of a Doggo. I know they worked real hard on the scene where they remove Arnold’s memory chip, behind the scenes they used Linda Hamilton’s twin sister as her mirror image, and Sarah Connor almost smashes the chip in effect killing Arnold- but leaving a ton more FUTURE EVIDENCE of terminators… still not worth the life of a Doggo
I think the directors cut of this movie is like one of the purest mainstream examples of artsy pretentiousness. I have no idea what they were actually trying to achieve with this directors cut.
Theatrical cut is the perfect version, far less corny (Marv sneaking into his room like a toddler) and the order its shot is perfect. The directors cut is clearly made for those whom have already seen the film.
This is one of my favorite movies but unfortunately, this is one of those rare cases where the director's cut is worse than the theatrical version. The version you watched is the director's cut. In the theatrical version, they split Hartigan's story, which works much better. It makes the world in which the movie takes place much more fleshed out and big and makes adult Nancy's reveal much more meaningful.
@@LightMovies I'm not sure I'd go as far as 90%, but this "extended cut" is a really bad one. The worst I've seen since the "ultimate director's cut" of The Warriors, anyway, which hacked up a bunch of scene transitions and dialogue and put in some ugly clip-art frames and captions meant to make it look like a comic book.
@@benjaminherrera493 depends on how much you want a 1:1 adaptation of the story. Which the extended cuts very much are. But it comes at the expense of losing the narrative thread established to make a film of the separate stories.
I don't think it's people suggesting this version. I think the director's cut is just the most widely available version of the movie on streaming sites unfortunately. So, this is what comes up when people search the movie.
@@TheJamieRamone I think he was referring to the comics. Frank Millers Dark Knight returns is quite possibly my favorite graphic novel of all time. And his Daredevil was "chefs kiss" perfection.
@@TheJamieRamone Definitive in the sense that they helped define the characters; even though they'd been being published for decades before Miller touched them, a significant part of what they are _now_ comes from Miller's work.
@@godfreyofbouillon966 yes it’s definitely made to be watched in the theatrical version, the cool way everything ties together and blends together especially at Kadie’s bar when everyone is there at the same time, Shanelle will enjoy it much more I believe
The Marv story is the original. It was a comic simply called Sin City. It was so successful that Miller did more stories over the next few years, and the extended cast of characters grew from that process.
In the theatrical version, the two scenes involving Josh Hartnett came at the very beginning and the very end. Alexis Bledel runs into Hartnett in the elevator because he's been hired by Rosario Dawson to kill her, since she's the one who tipped off Michael Clarke Duncan. On the DVD and Bluray, there are two versions included: The theatrical cut, and extended versions of each segment, which are presented as short films that can be watched in any order. When I had a DVD player that could be programmed to play the chapters in any sequence I liked, I came up with a sequence which mixed the stories, cross-cutting them with each other and finishing with Marv's electric chair scene. Wish I still had that DVD player...newer machines don't offer that feature anymore.
"She woke up today and chose violence" Hell yeah Shanelle! Keep standing up for yourself. I've worked in and studied film, and I love hearing your insights as a fellow student/practitioner of the craft. I think most of your fans enjoy your particular perspective.
Fun facts: Frank Miller played the priest in the confessional. -What we don't get (in either version) was the importance of the irish assassin shooting Dallas the gunslinger. Dallas is a fast draw champion and a trickshot artist, so for this guy to get *three* bullets into her before she gets a chance to act, is a huge thing!
Wow I've never seen extended cut before and it's so much worse :( Not only because of the order of episodes but they added so much crap that wasn't necessary (and thats probably why it was cut in the first place). While the original is one of my favourite movies all time, incredibly good.
if you haven't already watched the theatrical version i'd watch a reaction to that for sure. i'd love to see your take on how they interlaced the stories.
I do prefer the theatrical cut, but I know many people who were confused by it, so there's that. I find the Director's Cut to be confusing in its own way, like you noticed yourself. Anyway, excellent film, it was a bit mindblowing when we first watched it, back in the day. More than a bit, really. Fantastic art style.
They did a sequel in 2014 call A Dame to Die for. IF I remember correctly, it was missing something that made the first film so great. It also suffered as it took them so long to make between the 2 films.
Ya because it took so long some actor's passed away and some were not able to do it. Brittney Murphy and Michael Clark Duncan. They were also forced to film the 2nd one like how this one was, when really they wanted to film it like it was on release.
You aren't remembering incorrectly. The sequel didn't have the same punch because it was a sequel. The style, over the top story, gore... we knew it was coming. We knew what to expect. The shock just wasn't there and the stories weren't AS good as in the first movie.
4 of the most talented (and gorgeous) actresses to ever be on screen - jessica alba, brittany murphy, carla gugino, and rosario dawson, and they're all in the same movie. amazing.
This is the 2nd reaction I've seen to the Sin City linear extended cut. I haven't seen anyone react to the theatrical release yet. I'm wondering if there are folks who really prefer the linear sequence or if it's just movie executives imposing their preferences. I don't think I'd have liked this version in the theater as much as the original, but I had read the graphic novel so I was already familiar with the stories.
That is correct. Josh Harnett’s first scene is the first scene in the movie. This is to introduce his character as an assassin. (In this scene the woman he kills is the one who hired him to kill her. She was dying of an incurable illness, and instead of dying in a hospital bed, he gave her a romantic death.) Then the last scene in the movie is the one where he shows up in the elevator with Alexis Bledel. This suggests he is there to kill her as revenge for betraying her sister prostitutes. Because in this version the audience hasn’t seen the betrayal yet, the reason for her death is not as apparent. I think Shanelle missed it.
SIN CITY is such a really good graphic novel. Frank Miller himself is an iconic writer with work such as Batman: The Dark Knight Returns to Batman: Year One a comic book that pretty much re-invented the origin of Batman (Batman always had a solid origin so stuff was just added and developed) that has made it's way into animation and live action movies such as The Nolan Trilogy. We also can't forget about his Daredevil run as well which pretty much brought Daredevil more into the mainstream as a hero and elevated the character by developing his origin story in a more noir gritty style. It's similar to Batman: Year One in how Miller kind of re-invented many aspect of his origin story while introducing new elements. Miller also wrote the Terminator vs Robocop comics as well and is credited on Robocop 2 as a writer even though there was ALOT of studio interference so Miller was pretty upset with how that all turned out. But Robocop itself the first film to me at least seems to pull HEAVILY from Miller's Dark Knight Returns in terms of the overall satire and themes of news reports and the gritty setting. Felt like a Miller comic book brought to life so naturally it makes sense he'd work on a Robocop comic. Peter Weller the actor who played Robocop also voiced Batman in the Dark Knight Returns (2013) Animated movie, based on Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns Graphic Novel. So just really cool how connected Robocop is to Dark Knight Returns and Frank Miller in general. Robocop and Batman would be a wild Superhero team up lol Some other Miller works include Give Me Liberty, Hard Boiled, 300, and Ronin to name a few. Also Miller and Chris Claremont worked together to create Wolverines first solo run in the 1980s so that's pretty cool for any X-Men fans or people who just love Wolverine as a character. I'm pretty sure he's credited on The Wolverine (2013) film as well but not 100% sure.
Sin City A Dame To Kill For is a sequel with some prequel stories and has Josh Brolin as Dwight and explains the "showed up with that New Face of yours" line in the first Sin City hes had alot of plastic surgery which is why he looks like he does in 1...a few characters were recast like Miho and Michael Clarke Duncans character since he passed away
The theatrical version was released first and Rodriguez has said that he doesn't recommend watching the extended, broken up cut without having seen the theatrical first. The extended version was more in line with how the comics were, separate stories. You also didn't watch the extended in the optimal order, although you wouldn't have known that going in. The correct order would have been That Yelllow Bastard, The Hard Goodbye, The Big Fat Kill, then The Customer is Always Right.
Basin City is an interesting concept as a setting. It's somewhere in the American Southwest, but it mixes all of the bad elements of New York City, Chicago, and Los Angeles together to create this noir playground. That's how the characters can go from seedy docks to labyrinthine skyscrapers to squat ghettoes to desert, hilltop condos and mansions to tarpits to forests. It's everywhere and nowhere at once.
Watch the theatrical version as it splices the 4 story lines into a whole movie. Gail does not rip out Becky's throat in the movie instead the scene where Becky gets on the elevator at the hospital with "The Man" (Josh Hartnett), i.e., the assassin ends Becky & the movie.
The comic books this was based on are aso interlocked that you often want to read one issue with the stack of the rest of them nearby so you can get the references.
Shanelle! You have to do Desperado! It's the film that really put Rodriguez on the map (though it was the films prequel that got him the attention of people like Tarantino). It's an awesome action film and one of Antonio Banderas' best roles IMO
@@ShanelleRiccio it’s still worth going back and checking it out. It jumps around between stories and the feel of it is way different. Of not as a reaction then for your own enjoyment at least.
20:21 X-Men are Marvel so no connection to Sin City at all, Sin City from my memory was a Dark Horse Comics. So Sin City is very much it's own thing with zero connection to Marvel or DC but that guy did look a little bit like Wolverine. Frank Miller did co write a four issue limited series in 1982 starring Wolverine in his first ever solo comic book run. It was also the 2nd ever limited series run by Marvel at the time so Miller does have a Wolverine connection but he hasn't written any X-Men comic books.
Robert Rodriguez is awesome. He directed this movie. I love this movie. He did two great Antonio Banderas movies. Desperado and the sequel Once Upon a Time in Mexico. Both movies are great.
TBH , it was both Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino who directed this movie , they said he directed only one scene, but come on his influence is all over the movie
The confession priest was Frank Miller. The external environments were largely shot on empty sound stages. Cars on spin/tilt rigs. The scenery was filled in with 3D elements using my software; Lightwave 3D. When John knelt down in the snow, the snow built up around his knees was 3D. When Miho had the plasma splattered on her face, they digitally removed her blink. I think the car conversation with the Pez-dispenser was an addition to the original, Quentin's idea.
My favorite is "The Big Fat Kill" because the good guys not only win but live and those trying to use abusive power from Jackie Boy to the Police Chief get their comeuppance. I also appreciate the balance with the nominal hero, Dwight, working both closely and well with "the girls", Miho being a pint-sized killing machine and saving Dwight twice.
Rodriguez's direction in this is often literally directly lifts of iconic Frank Miller art. It is an INCREDIBLY faithful screen adaptation of some over-the-top comic noir fare. Miller also wrote/illustrated "300" direct by Zach Snyder.
If you had watched the theatrical version the beginning scene with Josh Hartnet was shot for free in 2 days with the cast credits before they agreed to do it. It was then showed to each actor to see if they wanted to do it. Each actor agreed to make the film.
33:25 don't you live in SoCal? Many different skeletons have been excavated from the tar pits. Always listen for active pits. The last 7.3 earthquake that hit in 2019 or 2020 in so Cal had the tar pits overflow onto the streets near by a week before it hit.
Robert Rodriguez while still in glorious form! The theatrical version is definitely the way to go for a first time watch; such a fun ride with a great cast! The sequel is okay, but with some highlight parts. Josh Brolin is rather good in it, and the Joseph Gordon-Levitt part is really darn good.
I admire any director for being this faithful to the source material because it's so rare to see. It was probably a benefit for them to have Frank Miller being so envolved in the project (he also plays the priest shot by Marv in a cameo). "The Spirit" was Miller's attempt at directing a movie by himself. It was based on a comic by Will Eisner and had a big cast as well but it's just not a very good movie. But "Sin City" certainly paved the way for other comic book adaptations like "300", "V for Vendetta", "Watchmen" and "Kick-Ass", which are also more or less true to the source material.
This movie is in fact based on a series of comic books created by artist /writer Frank Miller. This is one of the few movies that adapted comic material and actually reproduced panels from the books on the screen....
The theatrical version begins with the first part of, "The Customer Is Always Right" as a bookend, where the hit man kills a girl on a balcony. It ends with the second part as a closing bookend (after the events of "The Big Fat Kill"), where Becky (Alexis Bledel) enters the elevator that the hit man is riding, and says good by to her mother, knowing she's about to get it. It also splits "That Yellow Bastard" into two parts, one at the beginning of the movie showing Hartigan protecting the girl Nancy, and the second half comes right after The Big Fat Kill" and before "The Customer Is Always Right" part 2, when Hartigan gets out of prison and finds Nancy all grown up. So it makes the whole film more sequential and easier to follow.
This is objectively the most faithful adaptation on film, comic book or otherwise for better or worse. Its shots are basically a 1:1 with the panels of Frank Miller's "Sin CIty" graphic novels. Dialogue is even unchanged. Some people and critics were put off by that because it's unnatural compared to how people talk and behave irl and it's one of those movies that couldn't be made today but I always loved it.
What I don’t like about this version is for example the second piece with Josh Hartnett is so out of context. In the cinematic version this is shown after the Valkyrie sequence. That makes so much more sense, storywise. Maybe a re-react in the future…
I thought in the Theatrical Version, Josh Hartnett's scenes were split...... the Balcony Scene was near the begining, and the Elevator scene close to the end......
This is a frame by frame recreation of Frank Miller's groundbreaking comics Sin City. Frank MIller also started the dark super hero trend with his award winning comic THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS AND BATMAN YEAR ONE. These were made into Batman Begins and Chris Nolan trilogy and Tim Burton's first Batman movie which was strongly influenced by this aesthetic. This was all shot on green screen and meticulously followed the comic. Robert Rodriguez built his own studio in Mexico to film this and all his other self produced films. A great movie and a great reaction!
As a long time fan of the comic series, I thought this was the best translation of a comic ever produced. There is a sequel, however it was released almost a decade later and didn't have high reviews. Still a fun movie to watch.
Fun Fact since you brought up Amber Tamblyn.: Amber's dad was Russ Tamblyn, he played Riff Lorton in 1961's West Side Story, the movie is based on Shakespeare's Romeo & Juliet, Riff is Tony's BF and Maria's cousin in West Side Story as Mercutio is Romeo's BF and Juliet's cousin. You would probably like it, it's a musical.
I always remember a funny incident where one of my best buddies dented Harnett's car. He was with his older sister and she was mortified. Josh didn't care at all and was incredibly nice. I don't think he even asked to trade insurance info. Cool dude.
I like some of the added scenes in the extended version, but it just doesn't flow like the theatrical. I think it loses something when you miss the kind of timeline interactivity that occurs in the theatrical.
If you're looking for more visually stunning films check out "Mandy (2018)" and "The City of Lost Children (1995)". I've not seen this version of sin city, just the original release, but remember enjoying it. "Planet Terror (2007)" is another good one from Rodriguez ( and Tarantino ).
There is a tar pit (Labrea Tar Pit) in downtown Los Angeles. They have a museum of fossils they’ve pulled out of the tar. I saw it as a kid in the 70s and it was pretty cool.
8:32 - "I love this actress". Yeah, me too. Carla Gugino is stunning. I've listened to interviews with her and she seems very funny too, very willing to self-deprecate and laugh about the industry.
Never knew this cut exists. It’s good in that these were all separate books, so it’s faithful to the comics, but the narrative of the theatrical release makes for a better movie.
I saw this at the cinema on my birthday sat a few rows behind these four teenage girls that squeeled the whole way through. It was awesome ! Best trivia is where Quentin (whom is best friends with Rodriguez) was on set (he shot the scene in the car where Clive Owen is taking to dead Benicio). Quentin was there as Miko is slicing everyone up with samurai swords. Quentin asks "Rob... are those MY samurai swords ?" - "Erm... yeah ! Sorry. I swiped them out of your garage when you were not looking !"
Worked in an academic bookstore for 20 years. One of my jobs was doing the buying for the scifi/fantasy section. There were certain titles you just always had to make sure were in stock. The Sin City titles were on that list. And of course, the Terry Pratchett books :)
The voice-over and performance by Mickey Rourke is just phenomenal and his storyline is truly compelling: A thuggish 'loser' by the standards of society, going up against the deep rot and corruption of 'respectable' Church and Government, all to avenge the killing of a 'nobody' who showed him kindness.
SO the order goes, Assassin Story, Hartigan Part 1, Marv, Dwight, and then Hartigan Part 2 and its Perfect, It sets everything up perfectly, Honestly I recommend you watch the Release Version, I think you would love the pacing so much more and it is so interesting how they did it.
Havent seen anyone say it so heres a fun fact for you The priest in marvs story, the one he talks to in the confession booth. was played by Frank Miller, the creator of the comics Also Quentin Tarantino directed 1 scene in Sin City. It's the scene in the car with Dwight and the talking dead cop 😊
The One With All The Heads. Hahaha! That made me remember a movie I don't think I've seen anyone react to yet, 8 Heads In A Duffle Bag starring Joe Pesci and David Spade.
You should do another reaction of this movie but the theatrical version. It's an actual movie and it makes more sense. This is the extended version and it's just cut up.
This really did look like the comic books. It was done astonishingly well. My only caveat is that Rutger Hauer did not portray the priest character at all like we saw in the comics.
4:00 "That looks like a panel of a comic book." I'm sure the author, Frank Miller, would prefer to call it a graphic novel, but yeah, it looks like one because it is one, converted to live action. In fact, you can spot dozens of carefully framed and lit moments in this movie that are all live-action pages from the graphic novel.
Match books are important in lots of forties and fifties noir. They were always very important clues.
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"Why isn't she allowed to scream?" It's not that she isn't ALLOWED to scream. It's because that sick yellow guy will kill her the second she screams then mount her head on the wall with the other 8 girls he's killed. Like when he almost killed Marv's parole officer. The reason why there are different stories is because it's based on a comic, and follows it almost exactly. You may notice several scenes that look like panels from a comic book. That's because they even made some scenes DIRECTLY from the comic book. I also think the theatrical version has an ordering to the stories that is 100000x better.
There's a bit of fun I'm sure someone has pointed out -- Frank Miller cameos in his films. The executed confessional priest in this case. I'm surprised you didn't spot Mickey Rourke as Marv, but this is a film you might want to revisit a few times, and a proper version, as a film student. This version was okay, but confusing first-time. Of course you gotta watch the second one, and if you like the style, "The Spirit" with Gabriel Macht is a Frank Miller story in the same visual and vocal narrative style. Some of Miller's comic book work can be seen in almost every Batman movie since he wrote The Dark Knight stories (not the script for the movie of the same name). In fact, The Dark Knight and the Dark Knight Returns are full-length feature animations from DC studios. Miller's stuff was a runaway hit, and with the powerhouse trio of him, QT and RR, stars were lining up, taking salary cuts, shooting full character arcs in a day or two, and toodling a-loo.
