Iam flabbergasted by Dr shaib’s work on Sir Syed . Promoting , protecting and safeguarding the Muslim elite class to rule the majority . That’s exactly what’s happening in pakistan 🇵🇰. The masses remained uneducated
Sir In summary, he played an important role in promoting education among muslims, however he adopted biased approach to lower caste muslims and women and laid down foundation for partition of India, consequences of which peoples of India and Pakistan are still facing. Great analysis. Respect to you from India.
Thanks and best regards to Dr ishtiyaq saheb,the facts being put forward by you are excellent,informative. Your well thaught off interpretation will help Muslims residing in India, to understand the philosophy and tricks of aristocrat Muslim leaders
Professor Ahmed is not only a great historian, who has done thorough research and taken a very objective perspective, but his video is very easy to follow, in fact enjoyable because of his style. I am glad to see such Muslim scholars in Pakistan. There is hope for resolving India=Pakistan enmity.
very good and unbiased analysis Sir .. but unfortunately we are not taught the reality of sir syed ahmed khan in our school and universities . blessed to have you ...
The students aspiring to take admission in AMU were asked to submit a certificate that they belong to Ashrafia . This practice continued for many years even after independence .
Prof Ahmed is a great historian because he is truely secular. I had read that the seeds of "two nations theory" were also sown by works of Syed Ahmed and he promoted education among muslims and he sought to push muslims towards British. But I am shocked to know that the education he promoted was for muslim elite. In fact ordinary muslims needed modern education more than elite as the elite were already rich and well placed.
Thank you Ishtiaq for this most objective analysis of Syed Ahmed Khan and his role . As always you have done a thorough research on this subject as well.
Mr Ishtiaq Ahmed's exposition of Sir Syed Ahmed Khan is absolutely research based. It is therefore truly established that two nation theory and creation of Pakistan have great contribution from Aligarh Muslim University.He hated Hindus to no end and yet Hindus gifted their lands and wealth to this institution that is AMU. Not only that, he was a great loyalist of British whom he wanted to rule India for ever.
This is very honest vedio so far I have watched on sir Syed. Thanks alot sir. I would request if you can make one vedio on what Bahadur shah zafar said when he was captured by British including his role in 1857 Jung E Azaadi.
Thanks professor sahib, for teaching me history and political science me at my senior age, I have listened in some discussion in video link that musman students applying for admission in Aligardh Muslim University needed to append a "sharafat nama" with his admission application to show that he belongs to a Muslim respectable family.
Sir Your unbiased and truthful analysis is helping us in understand our history with great lessons that we need to strengthen democracy and secularism in subcontinent for peace harmony and prosperity.
Great talk but up to 1947 every applicant in AMU had to get a sharafat certificate saying he is sharif (Ashraf). So the changes happened after partition when most Ashraf had plans to emigrate to Pakistan.
prof dr Ahmed is simply brilliant. His research and scholarship is unparalleled. I request you to discuss the impact of other “villains?” reported in the documentary by the book Divided Hearts: Villains of partition.
मैंने वीर सावरकर और गुरु गोलवकर जी के बारे मे जो वीडियो आपने बनाया वो भी देखा और ये सर सैयद के बारे में बनाया गया वीडियो भी देखा इसमें आपने सर सैयद की कमियां बताते हुए उन्हें बहुत अच्छे से डिफाइन किया है लेकिन उस वीडियो में आप वीर सावरकरऔर गुरु गोवलकर के बारे अधिक मुखर होकर उनकी आलोचना कर रहे हैं इसलिए क्योंकि वो हिंदुत्व की विचारधारा को आगे बढ़ा रहे थे यू आर वेरी सिलेक्टिव सर जी
Sir as you mentioned the use of urdu in government, I would like to inform you that till few year's back it was mandatory to pass in urdu for qualifying for Judicial services in UP I also want to sat that sir Sayyid son was top lawyer of Allahabad High Court and had a house which was later purchased by Mr Motilal Nehru and currently part of Anand Bhawan.
Dr. sahb thanks for your information. One point , I would like to discuss. That caste system in Punjab, still it exists. I don't understand which Punjab are you talking about, where there was no caste system. In these days , jatts, Gujjars, Rajpoot , having same gotars as hindu and sikh , consider themselves high caste .They oppose inter caste marriage, especially with low caste , like mirasi , mochi , musali , etc. if you visit villages away from city and some areas , they don't allow low caste people to sit beside high caste people, they will ask low caste to sit on ground and high caste will on chairs , or bed ( high mat). In city and throughout Punjab if you belong to high caste , you are respected and honored, even you are an ordinary person. But if you are from low caste , even you are a doctor, engineer or well educated, still you will be considered low caste and don't deserve same honour and respect. that is shameful and against the teaching of Islam but our religious clergy advocates in favour of this system .
I agree Affaq Muhammad Sahib entirely with you. The only difference is that in the Punjab landownership is very broadly distributed and is not confined to a few big Zamidars except in southern Punjab. The distinction is between those who own land and those who do not. Those not classified as landowning end up in the category of working classes or castes but I think people are escaping from it by taking honorific titles such as Mughals and so on. What are the teachings of Islam we can always discuss but I did not find the caste system like distinctions among Turks or Kurds or Arabs.
While reforms are happening in Hindus we see Syeds Khans Shaik Siddiqui and Mirzas dominating muslims and how Arab Imperialism and how they treat non Arab Muslims as Abdi Slaves. Black muslims also not treated with respect and dignity.
Sir, Ghalib visited Calcutta during 1828-29 when Sir Syed was only 10-11 year old! Did Ghalib write to Sir Syed from Calcutta? This information is likely to be incorrect. Kindly comment.
Very correct analysis Ishtiaq saheb . The incidence you mentioned about opening of an institution in Bareilly was most likely related to Moradabad . I will try to explore it .
Sir, I have a question. We see a trend among the ruling muslim elites like Sir Syed to promote the idea of loyalty to british raj which continued till Jinnah and that mindset still dominates in Pakistan to serve the western interest. This ruling elite's idea dominated over all the muslim community through the use of mullah etc. Based on your study, do you see similar trend in hindu community ? from what i have read or heard, hindu leaders promoted the idea of freedom without the british. We have Madam Mohan Malviya who established Benaras Hindu University and was from Hindu Mahasabha, i have not come across any work by him promoting loyalty to british. can you please shed some light on this aspect as well?
So far it is understood from your video that you are from academic field and now settled in abroad. You are a versatile genius who has a fair knowledge about the socio-economic picture of this subcontinent.Moreover the document and research is not at all politically motivated.Man of your stature is not found in Pakistan who is not scared to tell the truth.Pakistani leaders has one agenda that is to relate every issue with faith.In this process they created a radicalized new generation who was taught distorted history which suits with this policy.They are taught Hindu Shikh all are very bad people and Muslims oppressed and torchered by them before partition.They can not think above all we are same human being irrespective of faith we belong to.Pakistani people suffering from identity crisis.You are not only a good writer and historian but also a good human being which reflects in your style of lectures.With best wishes from an ordinary Indian citizen.
Respected Sir, Syed worked only for upper caste Muslims who never considered the native people (who were forcibly converted to follow Islam ) as equal to them. The concept of Syed was adopted in Pakistan (minority elite class rule over large chunk of lay Muslims) and see the pathetic status of Pakistan. People like Syed shall be kept under bay by Congress leaders. But by following appeasement policy on Muslims, the country is suffering . Whatever the extent you offer to Muslims, most of them are not happy for country. People like Syed instigated then and afterwards their disciples do the same. Regards
Read Dr. Salimullah Khan of Dhaka University on the same subject - Ashrafi Muslims saw themselves as the deposed, previous colonizers of India. That is why they wanted a part of British India to recreate their lost colony. East Pakistan did not fit this model and was the core reason why it split.
I think the assessment and historical perspective in the video . I have been from AMU, three generations and it’s really difficult r any outsider to fathom the nationalist nature of AMU and it’s role in freedom struggle . Also 90% of the Anglo- Oriental was funded by Hindus nobles of the time .
Sorry it was a three nation theory Asrafis, then other Muslims and then the others First objective was to cut out the third-done Second isolate Kadianis-done Third isolate Shia- in process Fourth- isolate non-Bereillys-to be done Fifth- hold on please…
Sir, please make a video on how today's Pakistan and Afghanistan became Muslims and how or under what circumstances even Brahmins and high caste Hindus also converted to Islam.
Sir,it'an actually wonderful vidio to serve the educational purpose,I think no one how can compare with you. with any one? you are the best to explain the hidden parts of history aspects in a very nice way,I also condom them who are trolling you,they are absolutely nothing but rubbish.As for as sir syed's Macavally type doctrine I would like to mention here this an in humanitarian and ,brutally school of thought, recently I watched an Indian movie Super-30 it is an answer and good example that prove the negative approach of sir syed.further more Pakistan is a country which exactly running out on the basis of Sir syed idiologi and no doubt its a failure country.
Sir Syed advising Britishers on ‘divide-rule’ politics; affectively offsetting any chance of inclusion, acceptance and interfaith tolerance; lest they form brotherly bonds. …………. I mean seriously?
Thank you Sir for enlightening us on this important personality who had a big negative impact in the subcontinent for all times to come. When Sir Syed, writes that when hindus and muslim we working together in the army, the bonding developed between the 2 communities. But we know that mughal army had rajputs and hindus also. The legendary Maharaja Ranjit Singh had several muslim figures in his army like Jarnail Ghaus Khan, Jarnail Ilahi Bakhsh and Jarnail Sultan Mahmud Khan. So this trend was already there in the subcontinent and it was not new. May be his intention was to keep muslims separate so that they can be used against the other communities ? May be he was sowing the seeds of new thoughts in the minds of british rules that muslims will be extra loyal and more trustworthy if they were kept separate. Any thoughts ?
@@basharatali4942 Sher-e-Punjab Ranjit Singh is a legendary king in all rights and is highly respected in India. He united different sikh misl and created a strong Punjab which British could not win till he was alive. He respected all religions and did not encourage conversions as was common before him. His court had people of all faiths and well respected by him. His justice system is considered very fair. Please do some neutral reading about him and you will get enough reasons to like him. I know in pakistan there are very different opinions which is not based on facts and just conspiracy theories which rules pakistan to this day.
@@rafaqatali5017 again i dont understand your point. This is very general statement and can be applied to all the princely states but ultimately british strategy was far superior and they had to ultimately win. As i explained earlier it's good that british came in. looking back i feel it's good that british came in and created pakistan.
@@rafaqatali5017 how can you say that Ranjit Singh avoided british? he died in 1839 and the punjab fell in 1849. as long as he was there he could safeguard his interest. he definitely did not have the means to take on the mighty british and could have only defended himself. sooner or later british forces were going to be successful and they did come out victorious and consolidated their power.
@@rafaqatali5017 not sure what you mean. It's easy to criticize after 150+ year but i think he acted in the best interest of his state and within his power. he was a smart ruler who had good set of advisers of all background. At a very young age he could consolidate different factions of sikh community and consolidate and expand his power till Kandahar in the west. Peshawar was captured by him from afgans and that's how it got included in british India. what he could achieve is extraordinary.
We have to make History, a compulsory subject in Indian schools. Otherwise, history repeats, reports. It’s impossible to understand present, with out understanding History. Thanks .
Dr sb. probably you missed the religious views of Sir Syed Ahmed Khan especially with regard to his interpretation of the Quran in Tafseer that he wrote.
Iqbal Lalani The problem with the community is that they always look to areas which is not to their liking. It was his great courage to establish a university in spite of vehement opposition from all sects of religious leaders. All of them wanted a Madarsa instead of University. He envisioned that only modern and scientific education is key for the success of the community as against the religious leaders , a thinking still prevalent in the community
The two nation theory divided Muslims in three places now 22 crores each in three places otherwise Muslims population would have been 66 crores now in one country.,Isnt it?
Please give at the least engilsh sub-titles. These are very important topics which should have a global reach. So please interpret it in english, better still release a english version of these videos.
23:27 آپ نے حوالہ دیا کسی " ذات پات اور مسلمان"نامی کتاب سے ۔ سر مستند تاریخ وہی ہے جو باحوالہ ہو ۔ آپ اس کتاب کو متعارف کروائیں مگر اصلی ماخذ بھی تو بتائیں کہ اس کتاب کے لکھاری نے عبارت کہاں سے لی ہے اور اصل حوالہ پیش کریں ۔ فکشن پہ مبنی تاریخی کتب کی ہمارے ہاں ویسے بھی بھرمار ہے ۔
Sir, the main challenge is to ensure that your thoughts and views reach the average Pakistani, to educate him. Unfortunately, the sane views of your goodself and other moderate and rational elements in Pakistan, are not reaching the masses in Pakistan.
What is contribution of Aligarh in uplifting of muslims as regards to creation of any freedom fighter, philosopher and any prominent scientist just zero. It produced only clerks,teachers and very few higher officials to serve the britishers as slaves
1857 me is ne mukhbare kar ke boht se logo ko pakadwaya tha ye aedme Converted muslim ko aepne se nicha manta tha aligarh me kewal Ashraf ko hi admission deta tha
Good evening sir. You said in a earlier video that your genetic structure 93% south asian , it mean before independence your family were indian origin . Pakistan is made by asraf group of muslims, those who does not belong to indian origin. It is well known fact that asraf group is not more than 10% of this barrey sageer. 90% pasmanda muslim did not take any part in creation of pakistan movement becoz they did not have voting right at that time.It is also well known fact that asraf is still ruling in pakistan and pasmanda muslim is supporting them , why?. Here in india, pasmanda muslim can not get admission easily in aligarh muslim university becoz asraf muslim is not giving any akind of reservation in that university . A pasmanda muslim can get admission in banaras hindu university becoz pasmand muslims are included in obc category where this category is given 27% reservation in every fields, in education and in govt jobs.
You have no idea of what I am talking about. The Pasmanda movement is more about the Ganga-Jamani region. In Punjab since it was constantly invaded till the British put a stop to those invasions, the local populations of local chiefs and tribes also converted but were owners of land and no ashraf came and settled there. So, we belong to all categories of people from big landlords to the poorest workers. The main landowning castes are Rajputs, Jaats, Arains, Gujjars, Awans, Rajas and so on and then many others. We do have some people who claim descent from the Prophet and some are heads of Sufi shrines or some are Shias but in the Census of India records from 1880s a saying prevalent in the Punjab is that last year I was a weaver but did well and have become a Shaikh and if next year I do well I will become a Syed. So, the census reports a tendency of people to claim such descent without any verifiable proof. In other words, in the Punjab the system of the Ganges valley did not exist.
@@Billumian47 good morning sir. You are right sir, actually pasamnda se mera matlav esi community se hai jo economically kamjor thi , jisko 1946 ke election me vote dene ka adhikar nahi tha.
@@Billumian47 regarding the family line of prophet Muhammad, some where I read that quresh tribe is called mast arab by the arabs.. Mast arabs r those who migrated from Asia.. Did u ever find anything like this, during your research...?? If it was up to me I would have recommended u to read a renowned philosopher......
No point of blaming RSS or any Hundu organizations..look at Europe, America, Yemen, Syria..CHECHNYA...Xinjiang...who is doing b@m$ing..$t@@bing...only peaceful community..
Though the idea of reading history as process of civilization has been there but it actually gained real ground only after Marx and Strauss. Your studies are very scientific no doubt but by the measures of Strauss your studies are not an integrated whole. Gustakhi maaf. I shall be highly obliged if you read the book of Mohammad Shifa, a Bengali or should it be Bangladeshi, Bangali Musholmaner Mone, (loosely translated The Psyche of Bengali Musleem). There Shifa argues that Sir Sayed had little impact on Bengali Muslims as most of them were proletariat. Yet Pakistan movement had its greatest support from Bengal only.
@@Billumian47 The niceties left The main issue. Bengalis had played a vital role in making of Pakistan. I am not sure if I am less enlightened but so far I find the angle somewhat missing in your writings.
@@Billumian47 Incidentally I am too small a fry to even speak with an intellectual giant of your stature. Yet you entered in conversation with me. I am very flattered.
Syed Ahmed khant ante Hindu the. Jab chanda lene ka bakt aaya, to Hindu se bhi chanda lene ke liye kah diya ki Hindu aur musalam Hindustani bride ki do aanken hain.
Sir Ishtiaq, with due respect, it appears not proper assessment of history that' Sir Syed who lived in 1800s sort of not challenge the existing class system of UP muslims but rather defended it by promoting modern education only for ashrafiya (elites)'. The class system was in full existence at that time since thousands of years (and to reasonable extent even today). We can say that he was not revolutionary or futaristic/visionary. He lived as per his times. If we applied standards of 20th century on him (one man one vote; all persons are equal irrspective of caste etc), then this rule will create mockery of all great personalities of history. Then one can say that great persons of medeival and old historic period promoted slavery as slave bazars were common in whole world and they did nothing. Even in UK women over age of 21 were allowed to vote as recently as 1929. It means all UK govt's which resisted women demand till 1929 were anti-women; creating discrimination. It also means all spiritual gurus of medieval India are sort of silent criminals as they never stopped 'sati' (burning of woman alive) tradition, dont liberated dalits (even today) and so on. I think we can say Sir Syed has lived as per his times; he, like many considered great people of past, was unable to see ahead of his time but taken steps 'only' for modern education. To me laws and rules of interpretation of history (just like laws of science) should be universal; they cant be applied selectively to one person and different for other person. Secondly, in histroy of social reformers there is a common pattern that they 'focus' to reform only one item/segment of society. For example, the reformers who were against slavery only struggle for that cause, They never champion for women's right of vote or free trade etc. The leaders who championed universal education did nothing for free health system. I think this single point focus is necessary to achieve some success, if not all. It is also necessary that one should not open all fronts at same time, otherwise you will be total looser, can't deliver anything. To gain acceptance in society for ones 'focused cause', it is also necessary that one dont disturb or hit other parameters otherwise ordinary people cant digest such all encompassing changes. Sir Syed tried to take some muslims from madressa education to modern education. If he hit caste syatem, parda of women in 1800s and so on, perhpas he will be a total failure as all muslims might have left him. His focus was 'only' modern education and he should be judged (like other achievers of histroty) only in this subject. He never aimed to eradicate caste system or parda of muslim women just like women right activist in todays world never aimed at religious discrimination (they are focussed on women rights only). Perhaps Sir Syed reiterated the prevalent narrative of caste system of his time and prevalent parda to lure muslims to accept the induction into modern education; I want to say that it might be his 'strategy' and his agenda is restricted to education only. This video clip appear to have done some unnessary unjustice to him by expecting all changes from a person which he never claimed or aimed. This clip also tried to applied various standards of 21st century to a person living in 1800s and whose focus was nothing other than the introduction of modern education to madressa minded persons. In other words, I want to say that if after a thousand years from now, say generation of 3100 AD applied their existing standards to persons (which appear great now in 21st century), I am sure our generations (21st century legends) will look to them as greatly illetrate, sort of cartoon may be. But if they able to visualise what 21st century was, what a person with limited resources tried to achieve inspite of opposition from majority of masses of that time, only then they can realise the efforts of 21st century legends.
Presentism implying judging history by present standards has pitfalls as you discussed in detail. However, sir Syed wanted Muslims to realise the advantage of the modern education and curriculum. If it was good for the upper class, it would be equally well suited for the vast majority of poor in Bareilly and Moradabad! He could have raised funds and resources for them too. Even his “AMU” was funded by generosity of many. In this sense, he was not visionary education leader. Sure, he did more than most and was the product of his times. Even today, education of poor Muslim children is not a priority. It is a time bomb for the world.
Yar aap apni kitab ki sale kur rahay hain. Kum az kum jo aap ilzam laga rahay hain keh sir syed nay yeh kaha woh kaha, us ka reference to apni video mein day dain? Agar aap such farma rahay hain to khud loog faisla kur lain gay.
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drصاحب برما کے جنگلون جو فوجی مھینون سبھاش بوس کی کیادت مین اپنی جانون کی اھوتی دے رھے تھے اور کانگریس مسلم لیگ اقتدار کے گءے لڑ رھے تھے اگر جناح صاحب کو وزیراعظم ھند نھرو مان لیتے تو بٹوارے کا تصور ھی ختم ھو جاتا اپ جیسے تاریخ کے اکابر اس بات سے کیون منھ پھیر کر داءین باعین کی باتین سمجھا رھے ھین اس بات پر بھی تھوڑی سی با کرین
@@basharatali4942 i m دو درجا پڑھا ھون ااور اور گھسا ھون پڑھے لکھے لوگون کے بیچ مسءلا ی ھے کے ڈاکٹر اشتیاق جیسے اکابر دانشور تاریخ کی ایسی تیسی کرتے ھین تو ھم جیسے بوڑھون سے برداشت نھین ھوتا
