What games would you choose? And how do you pronounce Giana, Giana or Giana? Do keep in mind that I'm working with what I have in the inventory here as explained in the video, and there's so much more to display when I can afford another cabinet! If you'd like to come and visit The Cave head to RetroCollective.co.uk If you'd like to buy some merch including digital versions of my book, Retro Tea Breaks, the h0ffman Cave Sessions vinyl record, or the Colouring Book of Retro Computers head to rmcretro.store Neil
Grand Theft Auto (the first one) for being the start of what must be THE most successful and well-known game series to date. Also Damocles for being the game that to me really defined "open world" with a whole solar system to explore down to the level of buildings you can go inside.
I miss packaged games. Even buying physical games today, there's nothing inside except the disc usually and even then it's another 10gb+ download after you put the disc in. But old games filled with what I would have called tat back in the day were great, postcards, posters, fold out maps, instruction booklets as thick as a phone book sometimes... Those were the days. Weird what you can get nostalgic over.
A good pick, but Dune 2 is the original RTS that started the whole genre really. Warcraft was a fantasy themed copy of Dune 2. Without Dune 2, we wouldn’t have World of Warcraft.
Manic Miner is a glaring omission. It was THE game of 1983, and was one of the games that drove the home computer boom. Sold more than 5 million copies, one of the most influential games of all time. Great Giana Sisters may be rare, but this is the platform game that should be in the cabinet.
Good choice, there's a copy in the fake shop area for people to handle because it's not so rare that it needs to be locked away, but it would be right up there at the top of a cabinet of influential British games. I also have a cart of Miner2049 I can put next to it, the game that inspired Manic Miner.
I would agree manic miner is absolutely essential from a UK point of view but it's all so personal and hard to categorise in your mind when creating I imagine. Manic miner is huge though a title so legendary it got released for the gba 😂
Great choices. What I would add to the cabinet: 1- Pirates! for Commodore 64 2- Civilization for PC. I believe these two games are also corner stones of gaming.
Think you may need another cabinet, so many to choose from. I would have a sid meirs shelf and an Elite shelf as well for 64/amiga. Microprose would be another, probably have to put there manuals on another shelf tho or seperate cabinet, dont make them like they used to.
One of the Infocom games is needed. Not only were always the benchmark against which all other adventure games were judged; but they originally came with amazing boxes and their legendary ‘feelies”. Maybe you can find a boxed version of ‘Suspended’ with its life sized mask box, map and robot pieces?
It has to be Elite for the BBC Micro. Firstly, the game was so revolutionary at the time it came out and a technical marvel and secondly it was British and highlights the huge influence British developers have had on the games industry.
The Tengen version of Tetris for the NES. Mostly because there are people like myself (and who grew up playing the NES version that we all know) who before the Internet who assumed that only the NES version existed. Also because the history behind the games and the backstage shenanigans that led to the battle between Nintendo and Tengen over Tetris.
Hi, I'd include Jetpac on the Specturm, it was a complete game changer, and other Ultimate Play the Game titles could also go in, Sabre Wulf, Atic Atac and Knightlore were genre defining as well.
I love that task. It'd be so cool to be part of that. I will NEED to get to Stroud to see your museum if I ever manage to get "across the pond" to the UK.
I still remember buying and trying to play Ultima VII back in the day. My PC had a 40MB hard drive and Ultima VII required 21MB just for the game and another 300K per save. It also required a highly tuned boot disk as it required every square inch of conventional memory to start, plus Expanded Memory in a specific configuration. The amount of time I spent trying to clean out the fridge to make that fit on my hard drive and it still ran at like 2fps. But I loved it! Were it up to me, I'd probably have put a Wing Commander game and Syndicate in the cabinet, but those both have very particular memories for me.
Lotus Turbo Challenge 2 on the Amiga. First time I ran it and the intro began, I was sold. I think it's the only game I've let the intro play all the way every time I ran it. It is burned to my eardrums now, I hear it in my sleep...
Still have my OG copy of full Doom, yes i was one of those who paid for the full version in the box. The box, manual and four floppy disks live framed on the wall. Have so many enjoyable memories playing Doom back in 1993/94!
I had a big box version of "world class leaderboard golf" on the c64, I don't have it any more sadly, but the box was absolutely glass cabinet gorgeous, the game was great too
My personal history shelves would have; Doom: First PC game I ever bought. Theme Park: Second game I bought but first PC game I played while waiting for Doom that I ordered from my local game shop with Woolworths vouchers. Mad professor Mariarti: Use to play this with my friend before I ever had a PC on his Acorn. Wipeout 2097: First game I bought that I had to upgrade for. Bought a graphics accelerator counting out all my coins I saved up till the shop owner got fedup and let me have it before I started counting 2p coins on his counter to make up the last little bit. Final Fantasy 8: The first FF game I ever played and the game that got me into stories in game and in general.
An unusual submission but 3d Starstrike on the CPC was brilliant. Great vector graphics, fast and very playable. One of the first real 3d games on a home micro. Oh and Elite too
These are all great picks for that display. Ultima VII especially I appreciate. Love that game so much that it's the only remaining boxed DOS game I have. Pivotal turning point for open world RPG experiences, that molded things we would come to see in 3D games like the elder scrolls later on.
It was good to see the game that the Userlandia channel brought you in #1 spot after hearing their podcast and then watching their video of visiting your premises.
For a followup cabinet you could have the shelves follow up your choices. Doom shelf could have Dark Forces for example. X-wing and Wing Commander would be good choices but I don't know if they would fit the Flight Simulator shelf very well.
My Museum entry would be Tyrian. First game I ever saved up money for and ordered, I don't think it was a popular game... never met another person that played it... but I played enough of that game to make up for several people. I wish Steam was around back then to see my hours played on that game because it was a LOT. I know this wasn't part of the video, but I did a short on that Tank Assault behind you... and I am honored that I can say I did a video (well... short) on something in the legendary Retro Collective Museum.
You were bought games? My parents thought I was doing homework and learning coding on my Spectrum lol. Piracy and my paper round enabled me to build a huge collection of games. Thankfully I still have most of them today. Luckily by the time I acquired an Amiga 500 I was in full time work and could afford boxed games now and then too.
@@raggersragnarsson6255 oh only bought a few, Spitfire, Skool Daze, Trapdoor etc, had a tonne of pirates speccy and Amiga games. Swapping games was a huge part of my playtime in school 🤣
@@Just_lift_anyone yes swops and copying were the regular thing back then. Even a few of my school teachers swopped Speccy games with us as pupils. C60 tapes full of games. It was all part of it. If you had a few pounds you could get budget a Mastertronic game or something along those lines, or save for a special buy of a good full price game too. Great times.
Absolutely agree with King's Quest. It may not have been the first, but it was the best up till then and was what truly kick started point and click games/text parser games. I think for me I would have included Zork and Tetris. Both massively influential in so many ways.
They are LED so not hot but yes UV should be a concern, I chatted with Rich about this while building it. I’ve got some UV filtering gels to put over the LEDs to help with that.
Shareware Doom absolutely goes in my cabinet, it was such a huge moment for little kid me, getting those 3.5disks in the mail and seeing what people were able to do with .wad files changed my entire outlook on gaming. I remember getting Doom next on my 32X, and seeing how much of a difference between the two versions changed the game opened my eyes to computing differences and changed my entire personality.
So cool to see the actual box they would send you if you registered Doom directly! I distinctly remember seeing the Prince of Persia box on Store shelves as a child. So cool!
Akalabeth would be my top pick. It is a very representative example of very early, small scale, indie games. As a personal favorite i would also add Qxyd because i really liked it when it came out and i met the developer at a convention where i bought the "Dongleware" book for it.
I loved that brief window in the early 80s when everyone was making vector games. I was 10 or so. The sit-down versions of Tailgunner and Star Trek were personal faves.
I would *absolutely* put Quake in there with Doom. It is every bit as important to videogame history as Doom, and arguably more so in terms of what it did for all kinds of software that came after it..
Serpent Isle is amazing. From the opening scene when the avatar wakes up on the beach to the sound of seagulls. Just a fantastic game. But yeah you had to seriously optimise your DOS boot config to get it running!
For the next Cabinet, my suggestions: Oregon Trail and related, Archon/Battle Chess/related, Civilization, and Descent and related. Oregon Trail is most people’s first introduction to software in schools. Chess is an ancient game so seeing modern variants would be interesting. Civilization is such a force (and others like Sim City, etc.) that it needs a shelf. And lastly Descent and other 3D games show an update/progression from the flight sim into a more modern 3d world.
All great choices. I'd only suggest adding one of the Infocom adventure games if you have one with all the feelies they would come with. One of the Zorks would be an obvious choice, but HItchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy was my favorite.
Excellent choices for the 1st cabinet. Ah, the pegs with early games in your local computer store (here in the US). Guess it was the same all over. I still have some from my first computer, a TRS-80 Model 1.
Pretty neat list of games. I am pretty sure that the trapezoid Eidos boxes were inspired by the trapezoid Prince of Persia boxes. Tomb Raider was the first Eidos game to use the Trapezoid PC box. Which was inspired by Prince of Persia. Also, the first time I played Prince of Persia was on a Tandy 1000. Giana Sisters for a banned game, really still got around. I live in Canada, and my cousin had a pirated copy for his C64. I knew a lot of people with a share ware copy of Doom. The original Doom was shareware and self published by ID Software. Ultimate Doom was the first real box box release. That one came with episode four.
There's so many important and genre defining games you could chose from. System Shock, Command & Conquer and Microsoft Adventure would be the first to spring to mind in terms of defining genres. But if we want to go a little more "forgotten gems" then maybe Treasure Island Dizzy, Transport Tycoon and Another World. I mean, I could list names all day. I don't envy the task of actually having to choose something.
I’d definitely put a Lucasarts point ‘n’ click in the display myself. I get why it might not be what you’re looking for though, but I’d argue that something like Maniac Mansion or Monkey Island perfected an entire genre of games.
@@RMCRetro True. Played them all on the Amiga (except for DoTT as I don’t believe it was released for the Amiga), so the talkies always felt wrong somehow until enough years had gone by. Enjoy the talkies very much now and they’re all tremendously well voiced.
I would include Ultima Online, the creators are both the ones that coined the term MMORPG and truly the first game that could be considered to have a massive user base since The Realm and Neverwinter Nights had few users.
When every other retro IP has been exploited and Hollywood gets round to making Giana Sisters: The Movie, Jo Brand and Mel Giedroyc need to call their agents asap. 15:00
Such a nice museum, you built there. Two of my childhood PC classics were Jazz Jackrabbit and Extreme Pinball. Really liked those back then even tho neither one may be the greatest fan favorite.
The all Quest series “evolution” is kind of crazy for me. Kings Quest > Space Quest > Police Quest > Police Quest: SWAT > Swat 3 > Swat 4 and now, in a way > Ready or Not. It can all kind of be traced to a game released in 1980 :)
A slightly younger game than ones shown here but Tomb Raider. It was hugely popular, spawned sequels and movies, the property is still going too. I still have my angular box for the PC version though the actual disk is lost, maybe I left it in the CDROM drive of my old 486.
One game I would've added, would've been Impossible Mission on the Commodore 64. When that voice came out of that thing it made your hair stand on end. Great days. Great days.
Those Prince of Persia game boxes look amazing and defo worth displaying ……very nice idea this …..if it was me i would have filled a shelf up with the old imagine games of the early 80s
I have faint memories of seeing those oddly shaped boxes for Prince of Persia in a store back in the early 90s. Of course, my family had pirate versions of both games on our 486. Sierra, as well as Knowledge Adventure, also dabbled in novelty boxes for a period in the 90s - I believe Gabriel Knight was one, and also Even More Incredible Machine) Some other games I would consider: Commander Keen (DOS, proved that a PC could do what the Nintendo could, and without which we probably wouldn't have Doom...or the Dopefish) Lemmings (Amiga, but ported to almost everything ) SimCity (C64, but ported to other systems, until EA had to ruin it in 2013) Granny's Garden (BBC Micro, just because it traumatised an entire generation of school children - forget being turned into a newt, this witch would SEND YOU HOME!) Oregon Trail (Apple 2, but ported to others - in the US, it was on computers in nearly every school) 7th Guest (DOS, alongside Myst it prompted the uptake of CD-ROM drives for computers)
That cab looks great, looking forward to visiting next weekend, can't wait to have a good look around and to bore my son silly with all my reminiscing! I had a pirate copy of the GG Sisters on my Amiga, loved that game 😂
sorry if you already covered this, but the really good history and reason you have shared in this vid, perhaps a qrlink to this video can be added to the shelf? great vid as always, thanks Neil
I would choose Manic Miner or Super Mario Bros instead of The Great Giana Sisters. I would also add Tetris and Sonic the Hedgehog. Also, Elite and Space Invaders deserve to be there, as well as Minecraft as the most successful video game of all time
I'd like to suggest putting Populous I & II, Powermonger, Black & White, Theme Park, Magic Carpet 2, Dungeon Keeper, Fable I, II & III and The Movies in your next game cabinet. Basically, it'd be a shrine to Peter Molyneux 🙏 After that you could invite him for a visit to the Cave as a special guest.
I absolutely called the 1-800 number for ID Software and ordered DOOM. I also got a t-shirt with my copy. I have the original floppies and the t-shirt, but the box is long gone.
I didn't know the Prince of Persia boxing. This was the very first game I ever had. It came preinstalled on my Highscreen Colani 486-SX25 at my age 12. Retrospectively I wonder wether the shop really licensed this since I didn't get a box with it...
It really looks amazing :) I guess I would have put a magazine in there with demo disk or demo cd. As I could not afford to buy full games, I bought these magazines. So I often just played demos at one point in time.
"never trust a sorcerer" Hey! I resemble that remark!😆 (Real practicing witch) A suggestion: Each piece of software could be copied and right next to the cabinet (which I'd love to have for my collection of stuff. Not video games, 6th scale figures), You could have a computer setup that showcases the software, so people can get an experience using it.
OMG that Flight Simulator floppy/manual. Coincidentally, I'm sitting here in the current MSFS right now. subLOGIC was located about an hour from where I live (I've driven by it's former location many times). My first computer game was actually subLOGIC Flight Simulator II for the C64. AH memories. Now back to flying.
Elite is on display with the Beeb. Manic Miner in the recreated WHSmith for people to handle as it’s not super expensive, but I agree when I can afford future cabinets a British gaming history display would need those in it
No one in 1910 would say they could not tell the difference between live and recorded music. Likewise, the original flight simulator was impressive, but no one thought it was real.
Nice selection and video! As for suggestions, an Infocom game with the original elaborate packaging (before they settled on uniform packaging for all releases) would be great.
The most relaxed channel on RU-vid and choosing games is so personal for me my personal inclusions would have rockstar ate my hamster in there simply I love music, purile comedy and management sims and something about the game has always brought me back. The most important games I would include swos probably it's just light years ahead of so many games of it's time
The idea of being happy with infinitely replaying Knee Deep in the Dead blows my mind as someone who plays the thousands and thousands of community Doom WADs. I'm not saying you're wrong, Neil, just a very different way of playing the game from what people do these days.
For arcade cabinets, Computer Space, Pong, Space Invaders, Pac Man, Tempest, and Tron. I'd pick differently if the actual gameplay were the overriding factor, but Tron and Tempest would easily cross over.
Hello @RMCRetro My Six Games for the cabinet would be: 1. Elite - BBC Micro 2. Sim City 2000 - PC/Mac 3. Flashback - Amiga 4. Myst - Macintosh 5. RoboCop - ZX Spectrum 6. Doom - PC
Sid Meiers games needs some space I think, Sim City, Pirates! etc. I would also say Secret of Monkey Island is/was an epic game from that era. The Lotus games. Too many to choose from.. As a suggestion, I would also maybe add a cabinet that showcases the modern games that has been developed for these classic computers? The Planet X trilogy, Attack of the PETSCII robots are those I'm familiar with, but I am sure there are some other candidates for that as well so it's not just from the 8-bit guy... :)
Maybe have one shelf as a rotating exhibit, a kind of video game version of Trafalgar Squares fourth plinth, with a different theme or display every few months suggested by attendees or viewers. I'd probably vote for the Spectrum version of Elite, complete with all the goodies (novella, keyboard overlay, etc) plus the torturous lens-lock device 👍👍👍.
Before this video starts I'm saying Monkey Island 2. In the UK we were used to minimal animations in everything walk animation, jump animation; this game changed everything - a great animation for everything, pick up a dog = unique animation, try and enter a window = unique animation. Plus the humour, plus the -blah, blah, blah. You know how good it is.
2:55 - always nice to see SubLogic. They were local to me. 16:20 - I worked in a software/hardware reseller’s warehouse when those weird boxes became a fad around 1995. We HATED boxing up bulk orders of those things.
You had to get an Ultima game in there lol. I would add 3D Ant Attack. Manic Miner. Carmageddon. Elite. Knjght Lore. Speedball 2. Dungeon Master. There are too many to mention and you would need a warehouse of cabinets!
