@@siveon298 Enjoy it while you can. After college, life goes into 2x mode. Right now, you might not remember your family home having a different couch. Pretty soon, you'll be thinking, "They don't make these things like they used to. I just replaced it ... uh ... oh god. That was 20 years ago."
The nineties seems like 10 years ago. Best decade in my life. I think it’s because of being young and have no responsibilities, all the time in the world to do whatever you want. And then starting to get a proper job and getting a ton of money to burn. 💰 🔥
The BEST part of the Amiga version of this game that NONE of the ports had was the function keys the Amiga had. Each choice instantly active with a press of the corresponding function key… perfect.
This is wonderful! I’ve known Mike has this for a long time but had never seen it. I had a popular Lemmings fan site 20 years ago (it’s still up, but not maintained). This arcade board is one of those legendary bits of Lemmings lore, and it would be so cool to have it in an arcade cabinet and playable by visitors.
Not sure how I'd approach designing an arcade around this board. But if I was designing a Lemmings arcade from scratch, I'd have all the lemming abilities as individual buttons, and a flip cover toggle switch to arm the nuke. Not that anyone would really want to waste their money with the nuke I guess!
The nuke was not just for giving up on a level, but to also clear the screen of any lemmings that have been assigned static roles, such as blockers. If they were to remain, the level wouldn't end.
The A600 "surprise" bundle I got for Christmas had Lemmings included - every time I hear any of the music in any other context it reminds me of playing 😁
Lemmings will always have a place in my heart - such a wonderfully simple idea delivered perfectly. Mike and the team at DMA were legends. I spent far too much time, when I should have been working on my PhD, playing the game - and Lemmings two player was the most brutal fun I think I've ever had on a computer. But it *CAN'T* be 33 years ago surely??? That would mean I'm getting old! On an off chance - does anyone know the brand of those stylish headphones Mike was wearing?
Re your 68000 lacking a mouse. There’s a kit on pcbway to convert to use a standard PS/2 mouse. There’s also currently an authentic mouse available on eBay for about $200 USD
the difference with the Amiga version is barely noticeable and it came a year later IIRC, same for the Sharp x68000 version the Sharp is the most powerful of the three platforms circa 1988-1993 except for maybe the very high end Amigas (3000 and 4000 series) that were extremely expensive and barely anyone had except for "multimedia professionals" this really didn't matter much for a game like Lemmings that was essentially just as playable in any of the three platforms and visually almost the same (I never saw the Atari ST version but save for the sound it should be pretty similar too)
Given how rare it is, I think the safest option would be a cabinet with a mister set up with only the various ports available on it nothing else, with the board displayed as a unique artifact. However, the cabinet should have the ability to use the original board in limited occourences to preserve it from damage over time.
Good shout, I'm in full agreement. You best me to it, as I was gonna say the exact same thing. New Arcade cab, running Mister, using trackballs. Perhaps have a cut-out, on the side of the cab, displaying the PCB.
Beat me to it. Definitely emulation for the cabinet, and showing off the board in a museum display. I wonder if the ROMs could be patched to make it a more complete game, or change the logic, e.g. to allow for bonus time if you save additional Lemmings (e.g. +1 second for each lemming saved).
A waste..Use it till it dies....After all just having it on display and not using it (and not knowing it still works) is stupid. Use it till it dies and then display it. Just like the morons showing working vintage vehicles and not using them (Jay Leno is a hero..he knows what to do).
I made so many friends on college back in 1991, by just leaving my dorm room door open.... while I played Lemmings on an Amiga-500. People would walk by and ask, whats that? and I would start up 2-player mode. Hooked instantly. It was the perfect balance of puzzle solving, but still fast paced.
Still got my original Lemmings mug 😀 , Think it cost £5.99 and could only get it through buying the game like "card in box" , Must be rare now can't be to many Lemmings mugs still out there .. My mug is A+ condition as well can deff tell its been looked after .. Also have a Lemmings II Tribes mug also in A+ condition ..
Dont 3d print the arcade. Design it and take the cad files to a shop that has a cnc wood machine. Your friend from the Arcade museum knows people that have those machines and Im sure they can make the arcade like an original arcade made with plywood. He even knows a guy that works with "stickers", stencil. He could print the graphics to stick over the plywood.
In this instance it would be a wooden cabinet with perhaps some 3D printed features, such as a lemmings head, just something playful and not the whole cab. In keeping with Data East cabs of the era
I would love to see this story develop. It would be great to see this board eventually housed in an actual cabinet with trackballs and with nicely designed side art, bezel and control panel. Watching this one with real interest!
@13:40 If you hold down shift in Lemmings & Oh No More Lemming on the Mac, it speeds up. If you got System 7, make sure that you deactivate the Shift lock extension, or it'll always be sped up. PS If you set the Lemmings drop speed to 88, it looks like they're walking backwards when you press shift.
Yes, that speed up feature was added to Lemmings Mac port because someone in the UK went on Holiday and it had to be finished. The person who finished it added that feature and it was then adopted later, nothing to do with the Arcade version or Lemmings 2.
I discovered an entirely hidden game in my Micro Machines cartridge for my Game Gear called Squinky Tennis, but you need another Game Gear, another copy of Micro Machines, and the really rare link cable. 30+ years on I still haven't found anyone with that.
@@althejazzman No way, that's so cool! I had Micro Machines too, great game, played it avidly. Yeah multiplayer gaming in those days was complicated and expensive.
How I would design an arcade Lemmings board. Simply make the game cost 50c and 25c to continue. If you save all the Lemmings or maybe 90% (adjustable value by operator), you can continue to the next level for free. BTW, that prototype Lemmings arcade board is priceless!
I got Lemmings on the Master System in 93 or so. This is one of my fondest, most cherished moments in the more superficial level. My parents, who had no idea about what even videogames were still managed to buy me one of the most legendary games to have ever been made. Fortunately we still have the Sega Master System, unfortunately it is stored in the attic and has been laying there for decades and I have no idea if it will be possible to start up again. I was up there a few months back and saw the wires of the controller (and the controller), but I had a task at hand and it was freezing cold up there so I couldn't stay and look around for the rest. Chances are that the controller is still connected to the SEGA, but that the game has been long lost... which is such a sad thing. I never threw away anything, but my parents divorced in the 90s and things simply got lost. There was no nostalgia to that stuff back then so it didn't have the same cherished level to it. It had basically just been 4-5 years.. the same amount of years as is between today and 2019. But the memories remain. That Christmas morning of opening my gift and finding that checkered box of Lemmings. Bliss.
Awesome! I think the arcade cabinet should reflect the colors on the box the game came in. Black with that amazing Psygnosis logo. And of course that big, beautiful green lemmings logo.
As Neil opened up the box displaying the PCB within, I said in a louder than normal voice, "It's beautiful...." Made me think of Raiders of the Ark at the end of the movie when the Ark is opened and René Belloq yells out, "It's Beautiful!" LOL 😆
I played the Megadrive version the most back in the 90s, i really think a 2 player arcade cabinet could work, especially with trackballs. And some lovely Lemmings art obviously 😎
Multiplayer Lemmings on the Amiga was pretty fun. The Amiga was well-poised to do that since just having a second mouse and cursor wasn't difficult - doing the same thing on Windows at the time would have been incredibly difficult and, probably, very fragile.
Probably a bad RAM somewhere. Although in my experience, those Toshiba TMM2018 usually go nuclear when they fail - they heat up considerably and just don't work at all. But I bet the bitmap memory uses chips with more than 2k capacity... likely DRAM. I usually short data lines on RAM chips that look like they belong to video RAMs to ground to see if lines pop up in the layer that has the glitches so I know I'm in the right spot or totally wrong. Then I jump known working ICs over the suspect ones. And if I can't get clear results from that and can be sure it's the RAM and not a BUS transceiver or glue logic (here I am because the lines have breaks in them where there are a few bits in the defective chip that are still working), I just remove them all and socket them.
Ahhh the Lemmings music at the end of the video! My favourite track was always Origins and Lemmings Level 14 on the Amiga - think it was the same on the MegaDrive. Basically Little Town of Bethlehem but in a funky remix 🤣
I remember lemmings multiplayer with two mice on Amiga 500. I'm not sure if this was Amiga 500 specific or if any of the ports have the feature. As a modern twist to this it would be fun to see even a tech demo on how traditional lemmings would play with regular amount of lemmings but each lemming would be controlled by an individual player.
Lemmings 2 had also this feature needing only 1 lemming to survive the level, needless to say on one early level I lost all but one lemming but managed to grind through to the very last level with just one, but therein the game got me, that level required at least two lemmings for the puzzle... The level designer had me there.
Definitely needs those trackballs 🎉I would put the board in a glass cabinet to preserve it and emulate the game somehow. Also have you seen there are now ROM hacks that fix the Mega Drive version of the game, fixes colour palettes, PAL version, level names etc. You could give them a go and somehow make them work with the Mega Tech which could sit beside it 😀👍
Artifact issues can happen due to under or over voltage. 4.8v maybe to little 4.95 maybe just right on the +5v pot adjustment on the psu. Done it so many times on neogeo mvs. 👍🏼
Eh, not likely. Typical tolerance ranges for TTL logic chip supply voltages are 5V ±5% in standard parts or ±10% in military-spec parts, corresponding to 4.75-5.25V and 4.5-5.5V respectively. And the actual threshold voltages for proper logic level detection are much lower. In TTL, 0-0.8V is a low, 2V and up a high. In CMOS, the thresholds are just a percentage of the supply voltage (0-30%=low, 70-100%=high), so not particularly sensitive to supply variation, provided everything is powered from the same supply.
Additional Comment: I'd think running a MAME version would probably be best, if this could use the trackballs (or joysticks), as the original board should really be preserved and not used; just my thoughts on this. (The board could be framed and kept safe then).
Fun fact. Lemmings on the Mac was the first game I ever hacked. The copyright protection was just too annoying. I never distribute it though. Just for my own pleasure.
2:54 - Yes, I have played Lemmings multiplayer - my friend and I both had a Game Gear and a copy of Lemmings. I bought the "Gear to Gear" link cable and we played it together, oh I dunno, twice maybe? Hah! I still have my GG in the attic, no doubt it needs major TLC. I do still have the link cable as well, which I believe is getting rare these days.
How about putting the board in a usual Cabinetcase, but on the front, where the coin thingy is, put a proper plexiglas window in, and some lights and present the Board also. So it would not be hidden behind some metal or wood, it would be visible for all the guests and players.
It belongs in a museum! As this thing is a prototype with loads of botch-wires and hotglue I'd rather have it behind glass than in an arcade cabinet - sooner or later it will release the magical blue smoke and then there will be none. Nonetheless it should be played - albeit in emulation.
I have my copy in its box, and the manual has all the level codes from my completing the game on all experience levels… freaking loved the game back in 92
Preserve the original board in a show display and dump the ROMs and build a genuine arcade hardware emulator (not just a compatible emulator so it can be called genuine experience) then have that in a cabinet along with a second cabinet with a random PCs version emulators to select the different versions of the game. So essentially 2 cabinets 1 lemmings style for the genuine arcade hardware emulator and 1 that has all the different port's and have the real acade board in a display of some kind.
Played this in Mame a little and honestly I enjoyed it 👍. Until this video, I always thought that this was a legit arcade conversion of this game, I mean, that somewhere in the world this arcade machine was a real thing...
I'm familiar with two player Lemmings, but that's because I was an Amiga user. The Amiga supported two mice out-of-box, which is obviously a big enabler. Unfortunately, the IBM PC did not, and here in the USA the IBM PC had a much larger gaming customer base than the Amiga.
Loved this vid! My first home version of Lemmings was also one of my earliest game purchases on CD, the PC Engine version. Still own it as I do the PC Engines official mouse which I got purely for Lemmings! So many memories! Personally think an arcade version at the time wouldn't pull in the coins, but the fact this exists is amazing and deserves special care. Perhaps keep the original board on display though despite how fitting it would be to have it in an active cab. Can't wait for next vid on this project. Keep up the amazing work you all do at the cave❤
Never could get a handle of the original, loved playing the recent version for mobile, which separates the screen into squares where you select actions for. Think the upcoming arcade machine needs some fancy graphics for the sides of the cabinet.
BBC BASIC for SDL comes with a Lemmings demo. I thought it used odd graphics, but now I see it looks like the Lynx version. It was a delightful find as Lemmings was one of my favourites back in the day and BB4SDL also has other things I loved, a teletext recreation (I liked teletext better than TV in the 80s) and that 3D BBC globe which blew our minds. It's maintained by the man who built the renderer for that globe, though sadly, his health is on the decline now.
You can't say 'bigger than a high density disk' when it isn't. A high density disk is 2Mb [ only PeeCee people think they are 1.44Mb ], it depends on the format how much it holds. Fancy saying that an HD disk can't hold 1.5 Mb in front of an Amiga game!? FYI an Amiga HD disk holds 2 x 880k = 1.76Mb
spent many many hours playing Lemmings computer version went through all levels and all versions..second favorite from the time was Marble Madness 2 player.. in the arcade it was Gauntlet
The reason why many people may not realise that the original Lemmings was also a 2 player game is because many of the ports were only 1 player plus the stereotypical assumption that the game was only 1 player and were blind to the 2 player option on their menu if it was there.
I think also the mouse was the default method of control and, even if it was possible to play with a joystick (I don't know whether that was the case), obviously most people only had one mouse. I don't think it ever occurred to us to buy another mouse to play two player mode, it felt principally to be a single player game as you say, and justifying a new mouse purchase when Lemmings might be the only game to use two mice on. However, if my brother and I had been aware that we could compete against each other and sabotage each other's efforts I think we would have been tempted!
@@danyoutube7491 Hi, I was lucky enough to own mulitple Amiga mice. And yes, two player Lemmings, driven by two mice, is astonishing. And yes, sabotaging each other is a large part of it - blowing up your Lemming on the other player's carefully constructed bridge is timeless.
I had never heard of Lemmings until I installed the Excalibur classic Mac emulator on my PC. It came with a version of the game and I was hooked. I was recently given a RISC OS version. So back to wasting time.... I mean work.
I play the new mobile version on Android and enjoy it but the microtransactions are a pain. I first played lemmings on an old Nokia phone I think it was that belonged to my dad (I am 27 y/o and first played it in the mid 2000's). When I accidentaslly found out about the Android version I had to get it but even then I didn't know the franchise was originally from the 90's and was developed by DMA Design who later went on to create the original GTA before they rebranded to Rockstar Games which I found out like 4 years ago
I'm shocked to learn that the fast forward wasn't in every version and I just happened to be lucky by playing on 3DO. The game would be unbearable without it. I feel like lemmings would be a viable arcade game, but they didn't change enough. They really should have leaned into the idea of getting a single lemming to the goal, with puzzles completely reworked to take advantage of that idea with a much lower amount of time to complete them. I think that two player could actually be great as a pseudo RTS/Puzzle game where each player sits over a goal that they must defend from the other player's lemmings, with the different abilities now having additional uses (e.g. Blockers can direct your lemmings to the goal, or they can redirect the opponent's lemmings, you could use explosive lemmings to clear a path quickly, or to deplete the other player's resources, etc). Maybe there could even be just the one goal that both players are trying to build a route to. Controls wise, I think that it would be a good idea to have a trackball, two buttons for left and right click, and a dial/rotary encoder like you'd have seen on an old Pong machine for selecting abilities, rather than going to the bottom of the screen with the cursor. I'm imagining something partway between ChuChu Rocket and Worms as the ideal arcade version of the game.
If you do have the board working in the cab it would be great to mount it in such a way that it can be seen from the outside. Perhaps vertically behind some glass?
