To my uneducated mind this is precisely the type of vehicle suited to electrification. It’s relatively inexpensive and is suited to the city commuter environment typical of European cities. Well done Skoda. Do some more work on the ride comfort and you have an absolute winner. Good quick review.
The new emissions regulations/fines to manufacturers will effectively make the business case for superminis to go pure EV. I loved my ICE Citigo, wish it had been a BEV now!
@@Jeroenneman Nonsense! This is not your long distance car, but a set of wheels to hop around the city, which usually covers 90% of the avereage driving. If you want to travel long distance, take the train - it´s much safer, faster and a lot more comfortable than any car can ever be.
I like the infotainment, it's just what I wanted in a car, a good place to put my phone. I really don't need nor do I want to pay for something that will be outdated soon anyway. I really like the minimalist and cost saving decisions that they made with this car so hats off from me.
Some good news for those of us who I feared would never afford the only decent range EVs out there - second-hand, even with a relatively unused battery pack, these should allow all of us to own transport again in the future EV only world - I was afraid that the poorer and older classes of the public were being priced out by the exploitative new pricing levels manufacturers thought they could force on us - well done Skoda
This is going to his the used value of older EV's that have been holding up well, but now there is new competition at a price that is not insane.... I'm holding out for an electric Skoda estate though.
Pricing of EVs in the UK is absolutely scandalous. PCP finance on an EV in the UK means that any benefit you get from cheap fuel doesn't add up; making it cheaper to buy the petrol version.
I liked the review. I am however terribly amused by Skoda's marketing decision to make DC Rapid charging a costly option. Because technically, it's exactly the opposite. The grid provides AC power. The battery uses DC power. So any type of charging requires an AC to DC power supply (charger). For AC Fast Charging (Type 2), this power supply (charger) is actually, physically inside the car and it's very low power (3 ... 7 kW typically). For DC Rapid Charging (CCS), the car provides direct access to the battery terminals via a safety switch (contactor), and the AC to DC conversion is done by a powerful external charger (50 ... 100 kW). The Battery Management System communicates with the external charger to limit charge current to what the battery can accept. So AC Charging adds additional cost and weight to every car. DC Rapid Charging is actually cheaper to implement. Almost "free". From an engineering perspective, it would make much more sense to have only DC charging in an EV. The AC to DC chargers would be available as an external component. They already have a standardized protocol, they would be interoperable between different brands / different cars, just like USB chargers. Third-party manufacturers could sell portable low-power DC chargers based on existing DC charging standards. NOTE: The black box that you see with the AC plug at one end and the Type2 cable at the other end, it is actually just a safety device, it does not perform any power conversion.
This makes sense. The phone holder makes sense (everybody hads a phone which is almost always better than any in car nav/etc system). The charging options makes sense because no ccs on a city car doesn't matter much so might aswell lose the cost. Reasonable battery size for the kind of driving its aimed at, a realistic price so people don't have to find a fortune to get an ev. Much better than the pretentious "motorway cruisers" which are £40k+ and still hamstrung by a terrible charging network. This kind of thing is a much more sensible use of batteries.
Could you be a LITTLE bit Europe oriented (it's Brittain so I guess not, but anyway), and also mention kilometers and km/h?? In voice, or at least in text in the video? Thank you from a lot of people.
@@jirikosek6383 dear Jiri, i'm quite familiar with those conversions, it's siple x1,6, but ... is it real that 200 Km range, don't get me wrong, i do admire the level of engineering and proficiency that you've reached in Skoda, great cars, but the theoreticall range is one thing ...
I’m thinking of buying one these. I’m sure in the next 5years range will jump considerably on EV. Excellent review! Shame no in built sat nav I love mine on my current Skoda estate.
@@RedBatteryHead It is better insulated, has same or more range, better ride comfort, infotainment system and bigger trunk and space. Yeah, who really...
@@marcusbiller867 albeit a reasonable EV. It's outdated to competitors. And foremost. It's not the 100,00 you claim. It's 100,00 - 150,00 more expensive than eUp
@@RedBatteryHead They had a deal of 100 Euro and then you can deduct the EV incentive in Germany at least. Both cars are pretty bad, but for the same money - the golf is much better. The Golf is not more outdated than this car - VW put the 35kWh from the Golf on the tripplets and downsized the other specs. The tech in terms of motors and battery is exactly the same as in the Golf and in the Golf you get the infotainment and better LED lighting + more space and surely better insulation (the Golf is really quiet, this car will not be...). They are both terrible EVs, don't get me wrong, but if you have to go with one of them, this is not the one to go with, nor the eUP or Seat. The Golf, for most of it, is now the better deal, but it will not last long - they are just milking the cow until the ID3 is out. Another overpriced car that has less space and range and charging speed than a Model 3 for more money. So if you are thinking of getting the skoda, hurry up and get the golf before they close the deals. The skoda is a bad deal.
You forgot to factor in R&D, plant restructuring, licenses etc that go into making an EV today. 10-15 years from now, they'll all cost as your average petrol car.
@@chrisabbott683 I agree, but that's the manufacturer's way of outputting their costs onto the customers. If you want an actual EV, there are better choices than this one than give you more so similar money. Right now the EV industry is barely emerging so until it becomes the norm, high costs are still going to be associated with it. I'd say hybrids are a much more sound option for the next 3-5 years.
ytdood I’ve never been a fan of hybrids. Complexity of ICE and EV drivetrains and the running costs associated with the ICE element eg servicing. But I guess they are a option for people who want to dip their toe in the EV water.
@@chrisabbott683 Hybrids should've come in sooner. The fact that you can't recover lost energy with internal combustion engines is a major drawback. And at peak 40% efficiency, they're a long way off. Hybrid is a good trade off until something better comes along. Be it EV or something else.
hi there im a litle confused about the charging as ppl say charge at home all night its eaper then they say its pnly availiable at certain times so which is it do i put my car on charge everynight and see how much i use during the day help plz thank you
I still can't get excited about EVs; 17 grand for a little hatch that is not really practical for motorways and puts an hour on your journey if you have to stop and recharge (rapid charging of course). I'm not even sure they are the solution to a more environmentally friendly form of transport, but each to their own I guess. I think I'll wait until the technology improves (and is a tad cheaper!).
@@snookiewozo Not just price Mr Weasel, a car has to be a practical proposition for someone who might throw in a 300-500 mile journey in a day as far as I'm concerned. I make such journeys fairly rarely but I want to know I can do so at the drop of a hat (without factoring in 2 or 3 hour long fuel breaks). You have to be someone who never drives more than 100 miles in a day to contemplate an EV like this as an everyday drive. In practice I suspect a lot of these are second cars that only ever make the school/shopping run. Fine, but don't tell me that they are saving the planet. You probably do more to stop global warming by properly maintaining your petrol/diesel car. Keep your petrol/diesel car until at least a 100K appears on the clock rather than buying new and the planet will thank you 😁👍
@@smoothmicra And that is where you get it wrong. The average in Italy was 30.6 km per day per person in 2016. So it means that for the majority of the population an electric car would do just fine. The fact that you "might" throw in a 300-500 mile journey a day doesn't mean that everyone do, it means that you do. So it could be that an electric car is not suggested for you, but is for 80% of people who live around you.
I don't understand why the ride needs to be worse after electrification. Heavier cars generally ride smoother because the ratio of unsprung to sprung weight is better. It sounds like VW Group cut corners during development. And I recommend doing some real-world charging tests, like Bjorn Nyland does. Several electrics bog down during fast charging -- the first 10 kWh fill in pretty quick, but then you experience "rapidgate". In particular, I wouldn't trust VW Group's claims at all. (The eGolf gets so hot during charging that you need to wait forever -- you can forget going on long trips).
I do very much like the Citigo e iV, it is a very competent electric car, personally I would consider one, although having said that, a 1.0 petrol Fabia, which is a more spacious and practical all round supermini can be had for the same price!!. I do think it was a mistake to make it available in electric format only though, the higher price and uncertainty of ev ownership may put off some potential buyers, who may well look to other manufacturers that offer a petrol alternative in their city car segment!.
The Skoda citigo e-IV and its siblings are the only cars currently available that make sense. All other EVs are overpriced clunkers, loaded with expensive , but useless gimmicks.
No doubt a great little car, we love our petrol Citigo - BUT WAY TOO EXPENSIVE! I don't get how motoring journalists say the 'new' Mii/Citigo/e-UP! electric cars are 'cheap' or 'great value' or 'only £200 a month' when the equivalent petrol car is £10K CHEAPER! (before PICG). If you were offered a petrol city car at these prices you would laugh in their face! This is a mainstream car segment with a mainstream styled car. It has to compete with the competitors in it's class, no matter the means of propulsion - journalists need to stop thinking of EVs as something different or special but think of them just as any other car. On those grounds, this is a VERY expensive car.
Exactly, not just that but I can get something like a Peugeot 3008 with only 15k on the clock for £135 a month on PCP for 36 months and hand it back to get another car lol
There is still no genuine "mass market" electric car that ordinary people can afford. Tesla are starting to do well, but they are competing in the luxury car segment that the average buyer can never dream of affording. Prices of low end EVs like this need to halve to put them in reach of an average buyer on an average wage.
@Tony Edgecombe I do. The £10k difference in purchase price between a petrol Citigo and the EV version will buy a truckload of petrol. For me it would take 10 years just to break even! For someone using it as a daily commuter maybe 5 years before any benefit. This is a stupidly priced car. I'd love an electric version of my Citigo, but it makes no financial sense at all. If it was £16k after PICG was factored in then I'd consider one but at the current price, no way.
It will be interesting to see the monthly lease prices for the 3 cars Skoda/Seat/VW. I suspect they will be closer than the headline list price suggests.
@Brush Twice They're coming in at £230-240 average monthly cost which compares poorly to a Leaf at around £250 for the same mileage. Just goes to show how overpriced they are as you can get the same spec for €23,000 before subsidies in mainland Europe compared to £23,000 here...
Sorry but for all the tech you’re just essentially paying a premium for what is a basic, cheaply built city car that has reached the end of it’s life cycle, and is now being aimed at people so desperate for an electric vehicle despite being in no way cost effective to buy. Fair play to VW for trying to maximise profit on what is a relatively low cost conversion to an old model..
I know it doesn't seem like it, but VW is actually losing money on these cars. They are selling them with loss just because it lowers their „average emissions per car". So they can sell more „expensive and big fuel powered SUVs" without having to pay special emission tax to the EU. It IS cost effective to buy compared to other EVs.
DarkSimon not sure where you’re getting your information from, but from my understanding what you said is incorrect. VW are not making any loss on these current electric vehicles, the new I.D which is due for release at some point later in the year, will be sold at an initial loss due to low demand and production. Also given the lack of alternatives in this sector, not sure how you can say it IS cost effective over other EVs. What other comparable options are there?
@@JMB1891 VW basically saves 9050 Euro for every EV it sells, because they have to pay 95 Euros for every gram over 95 grams CO2/km their cars make on average to the EU. EVs „make 0 CO2/km", so they save 95*95=9050 Euros per EV, because their cars produce on average more than 95g CO2/km. So it is actually good for them to sell the EV car with 0 to 9050 Euros loss (so more people buy them), because they still “save" money, even if they sell it with 9000 Euro „loss". And you answered yourself - yeah, you can buy „better normal car" for this price, but you can't buy better EV for this price. Nobody is even close. BTW the cost per km/mile is much lower with EV - so low that it will pay for the price difference in a few years if you use the car a lot. Fuel consumption of normal Citigo is around 4.5 - 5l/100km = 6 Euros/100 km (In Czechia). EV version consumes 12.8kWh/100 km = 1.5 Euros/100 km, if you use „nigh electricity" (usually even less). This means you save around 4500 Euro per 100 000 km. And I am not even talking about much lower service costs. You usually save even more on them than you save on fuel/gas.
@@darksimon1694 You got it wrong. The cost is for each gram over 95g CO2/km, their fleet average is around 120g CO2/km, so the maximum saving per car sold is 2375 EUR.
@@tomsixsix Your math is wrong. Each EV sold in 2020 counts twice (phase-in regulation). With one EV you can get about 8 fossils from 120 to 95 g: (8x 120g + 2x 0g)/10 = 96g. That's about 19000 € in emission fines saved per EV sold. After the phase-in it will still be about 9500 €.
leedsman54 the thing people don’t think about is a petrol Citigo is about half the price. Think how much mileage you would get with all the money saved to spend on petrol
@@louisgreenleaf235 Well, not really a lifespan. I've seen Citigos with more than that. But the average city car user does 10'000 - 20'000 km per year. Meaning 9 - 18 years to break even. Petrol is clearly the more affordable of the two.
I was thinking that, fellow petrol citigo owner here. But if you're on a PCP you need to consider how much cheaper the fuel is. I'll be saving money by having this in electric! 😊
Its still to expensive for its size, you can get a crossover for this price and probably still have some money.Pretty much current electric cars are 100% up to their equivalent petrol car. A car that people that need it and can't afford it.And people that can afford it dont want it.
Just wait for ID.1 and ID.2 which is expected to be released in about 2 years. Source www.carbuyer.co.uk/news/167811/volkswagen-id2-electric-supermini-set-for-2023-launch www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/volkswagen-previews-new-entry-level-id-model-sketch
Buying this car without ccs is total madness , typical of the vw group , tyres probably extra . Seriously cables for type 2 standard should be included and buying a car with ac charging of 7.4 kw is crazy. Badge love here . Cheap rubbish , like having a bike without gears . City car excuse to sell something that can’t compete . Boot what boot only worse are the new mini and Honda late to market toys
I'm afraid lots of cars have AC charging of around 7 kW, not just Skoda. I think AC charging should be 3 phase but unfortunately 3 phase isn't available in large parts of the world so car makers don't bother.
Minus 6000 payback from government. So around 20k euro for the fully loaded version and very low insurancecost the first three years. Also 25% tax included in the swedish price.
I think there is an onboard charger in the car which has a limit on the speed of the charging, so it is not just the cable. It is a different equipment.
Hate to break it to you but £17k IS NOT CHEAP, it is very expensive, especially for a tiny tin box with pop out rear windows. It's a pretend car, a glorified electric shopping trolley with a roof. It's DOUBLE the price of Suzuki's outgoing Celero. 81 MPH limit? Wow imagine the scenario where one of these things is flat out trying to overtake a car doing 80.5MPH..just like two lorries doing that stupid thing they do, and blocking a lane for many miles.
@@tomfu6210 Not really. I see 81 MPH limit as a bit low. There's a tendancy for the car bring overtaken to speed up..some wierd psychological competitive subconsious reaction. It's very easy to have to go even faster to overtake someone doing this, especially with another car behind you. I would not like to get stuck at 81MPH..can't slow down, can't speed up, can't change lane...
@@jeremylister89 It is a city car. 130km/h is good enough for highway cruising, since it is allowed top speed in most European countires. Of course you won't try to overtake anyone faster than your limit.
@@tomfu6210 that's not what happens in real life. Many times I've been overtaking a car below 70MPH when they speed up whilst I'm alongside until they are actually doing the same speed as me. I floor it to get past them desicively, and may briefly exceed the limit. If I slow and pull in behind they slow down again. I don't want an idiot in front of me. I don't trust them.
@@darksimon1694 Even still, it will be very hard to spend the difference in price on fuel. Do you have any idea how efficient the Citigo is? 4.5 litres per 100 km. (I drove one several times). You would need to drive for 178'000km to just break even.
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@@StipeSurlin No indeed they don't need a stick for gears, but a stick is still a very efficient and intuitive way to operate stuff in a moving vehicle. And cheaper than a touch screen, which makes sense in this budget car.
I actually work on developing digital clusters and I can tell you I prefer the analogue ones. They will be much more reliable down the line and they do the job while being cheaper.
Electric car: I'm 5k more than the ICE equivalent and can only go 200 miles Petrol car: I can go 600 miles and I'm cheaper and more convenient, But still I'm a joke to you.
Just imagine starting with a full “tank” every morning. A ~160 mile range is more than enough for a city car that gets topped up every night, and just imagine that, never (or rarely) having to search for or go out of your way to get to a petrol station - bliss! And if you switch to an economy 7 tariff, you’d be paying pennies for each kWh too. And once you look at the total cost of ownership (TCO) then that £5k difference really starts to go away.
@@mrsneeklamy yes but in my country there is now a mandatory fee of €20 each and every time you wish to charge your ev or hybrid in a public charger so it's still not effective enough to switch from ICE
@@deltagames3864 "MANDATORY fee of €20 each and every time you wish " WTF are you talking about? The vast majority of charging is not done at Public busy charging services that have that stupid fee. Your argument is meaningless.
@@deltagames3864 That’s shortsighted of your government, what country do you live in? Still, charging an EV outside of your home will always cost a lot more. I’m sure you can see that an EV’s TCO will always be lower than an ICE, I had to have my car’s cambelt replaced a couple of years ago - £300, thanks-very-much. That was on top of the usual half a dozen filters and moving parts that need to be replaced every so often.
@@mrsneeklamy Ireland ☘️ the government in this country is useless because the only way they know how to solve a problem is to put a tax on it And they are so dumb car dealers are not allowed to register new Citroen cars because they don't know what NOx category they should be in.
This is NOT a representation of Electric Cars. This is a CITY Car. The petrol version will be used identically. Problem it needs to achieve real world 150 miles even in cold weather. That would be awesome range for a CITY Car.
@@Neojhun sry but the petrol version of this "city"car which is fine doing highway 120-130kmh cruizing can do 450 miles with 1 tank ez no matter what temperature. That said who cares about these eletric crapcars.
Why is it so much more expensive in the UK than the rest of Europe? I will buy one when we get them for the same price that they are in Germany (14000 EUROS) and not before. UK is being ripped off again.
