Smashing through the gears - Shifting a 9 speed Eaton Fuller 

it's better for the truck than shifting with the clutch if you do it right

No he means hes revving wayyyyyyy too high

Nice try everyone but this truck redlines at 2800rpm and i hardly ever get close to that.

I don't care what it redlines at, you were shifting at too high rpm, redline is irrelevant, you shouldn't be anywhere near redline

1500-1700 is what you should be shifting at

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the clutch brake is just the furthest position you can depress the pedal.its all the way to the firewall and you have to engage the clutch brake from a stopped position to slow the gears enough to be able to shift.

Yeah, back in the day I was taught to "pre-load" the range selector much like pre-loading some pressure on the stick before breaking torque, and I was specifically instructed NOT no change range in neutral. Don't know why it would be bad that way, but pre-loading definitely makes things faster. And the reason the shifter in this truck has such tight short throws is because it's a cab-over and the stick doesn't go right down into the tranny - there's a big long stupid 4 or 5 dog-leg series of linkages to hook everything up, which is the absolute bane of my existence if it ever goes outta line. It's finicky to set up when building a truck, but done right it works great. I've driven a few cab-overs with such bad shifter linkages that the stick hit the dash. Another quirk is the truck HAS to be in N to tilt up the cab or the shit breaks. Sometimes a pain in the ass, but I still love my Hinos! Thanks for watching, thanks for the comment, and drive safe!

eaton fuller actually recommend you pre select and range up when youre still in low about to go up to high

Yes ! You always preselect your range selector. It's always been that way.

You should always preselect your range before shifting. That's how Eaton transmissions work

The guy i am helping told me to change range when in neutral between 4 and 5. And choose low range at rest or when slowed down considersbly

I just got out of CDL school and I have double clutching down but I just started floating the gears a couple days ago. Sometimes I will clutch just once to get it into neutral and then drop it into gear while I'm letting off. A buddy of mine got a job and his boss told him "I don't ever want to see you double clutch any of my trucks. You either know how to shift or you don't." He said the mechanic will freak out too because of all the wear and tear double clutching puts on the parts. I guess the shift fork wears out and maybe the throw out bearing. It seems like guys float them pretty soon into it as all that foot work must get old quick.

If we actually double clutched we'd all be walking around asymmetrical like arm wrestling champs except it'd be one gigantic left leg. Try pulling heavy loads and having to actually use almost all 18 gears in city traffic 😂

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If I'm braking late and coming to a complete stop instead of rolling through like I normally try to do, those times I'll only shift down to 5 and dump it into N from there. The important part to remember is to always pre-load the range selector before moving the stick when the truck is moving (not sure of the mechanical principle behind it but it's the difference between a clean "click" and a nasty "crunch" on the gears) and to never be in low range over about 40-45km/h, even in neutral. To get moving again from idling in N, the process goes: step on the clutch, use clutch brake to stop the insides of the transmission from spinning (as they were just at motor speed in N), then put it in gear and feather the clutch to get moving. And yes, the entire process of shifting a transmission like this, whether up the gears of down, if you double clutch or if you float without the clutch (like me) - all of it is done with fine throttle control and perfectly timed shifter movements, using the speed of the motor to match gear speeds so they mesh properly.

do you do the same in a car? I drove a really old car for a while that had such a worn synchromesh on first that when rolling up to a stop and re-engaging 1st you pretty much had to rev-match to get it back into first. I got quite good at it and eventually around half of my shifts back into first were so "clean" that it felt even better than the usual declutch and shift. I imagine, like every shift in this video. I have a newer car now, but the habit carries on nonetheless and I hear it's good for saving on synchro wear.

he's floating the geaRS

Notmah Cuppatea beat the hell out of it. It will break-in or just break

Matt Berg lol, its done 34,000 km now, still not as nice to drive as the hino with 680,000km on it...lol

Sounds like a typical ud, shocking to drive with a road ranger behind them.

2004 Hino SG series

@@WestCoastWheelman very uncommon in America

I use the exhaust brake between gears to slow the motor down quickly for the next gear when I need to shift fast. And you shouldn't be idling with it on, keep it turned off unless you're using it.

+WestcoastWheelman oh okay thanks! Asking because i just started driving a 5 tonne thats also automatic, i have huge amount of respect for truckers!

Sounded like Blue Bird TC3000 FE

good call, I've been trucking for 35 years and learning how, and when, to use the clutch is important. watch some double clutching vids and practice until you can do it smooth, like as not to wake someone in the sleeper. then start fooling around with floating gears and you'll have knowledge the lazy truckers never learned.

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Get real

A D more damage is done when double clutching over floating. Clutch wear is the oblivious, but clutch brake wear, (this truck uses a countershaft brake however), unis, diff, axle from newbies not knowing what there doing. I'm a truck mechanic and I've seen it all personally.

@@loosemindswallridemedia2013 man it took me 5yrs and finally getting in a truck with someone who actually knew how to drive a 9 speed split Eaton! He learned in TDCJ! Drove for the prison! How about that? Well after watching me clutch drive for 5mins he said watch this he literally put his hand over mine on the shifter and just told me to loosen up my hand while he worked the gears. Sounds like a prison gay story I know! But wow after about two hours of just having him run the gears I figured it out! Clutch shifting is terrible and wastes clutches! Just run it to the sweet spot and bam knock it in! All the way up to the split hit the split then run it the rest of the way up and back down! And I know the gear box hasn't suffered been 3yrs now and he's still running that same truck every day! So these guys poo pooing no clutch just don't get it! It's soooo much easier!

Super 10 transmission

Doug Stern I definitely understand where you are coming from but if you are running around in the Rockies with a fully loaded box sometimes you have to hold a gear to climb. I would gladly trade the 10 speed for a 13 though.

I have run many 13 speed transmissions, but I prefer a 15 speed. They are kind of rare, and nobody knows how to shift them, but I like them because they are close ratio, and every shift is an identical RPM split.

@@tommyw.9424 The gear RPM split is a bit smaller in a 15 speed, and each shift is an identical split, unlike a 13 which is wide in low range and narrow in high. Give me a 15 any day but very few know how to drive them properly and they are now quite rare. Too bad.

@@SternDrive I'll take a 13. Much nicer on the highway or anywhere with rolling hills.

13 is very common, but I like the 15 because all three ranges are the same 400 RPM close ratio split.