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SMPS repair series #10: Temperature compensated Zener diode in linear regulators 

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We will cover the topic of the positive thermal coefficient of Zener diodes and the negative thermal coefficient of standard forward biased Silicon diodes. Namely, when Zener diodes with Zener voltages above 6V are being heated up with one Centigrade, their Zener voltage will increase with about 3mV. In contrast to this behavior, when we heat up a Silicon diode with one Centigrade, its forward voltage will go down with about 2mV.
Therefore, it was a traditional design trick to put a Zener diode in series with a Silicon diode, and have the two diodes located close to each other on the printed circuit board. Namely, this way the positive temperature coefficient of the Zener will be partially compensated by the negative temperature coefficient of the Silicon diode. This way the drift of the output voltage will be considerably lower, and the power supply will provide a more stable output voltage for a wider temperature range. With modern components like the TL431 precision voltage reference nowadays one can build even more stable power supplies without paying much attention to temperature compensation. However, temperature compensation for old designs was often based on the solution of a Zener put in series with a Silicon diode. Some older equipment might have even used oven stabilized Zeners.
There is an other ramification of adding the series Silicon diode to the circuit. Namely, when we use a power transistor in an emitter follower configuration, the output voltage will be now almost the same as the Zener voltage. This is because the reference voltage will increase with about 0.75V (drop on the Silicon diode). This will be lost due to forward drop on the Base-Emitter junction of the bipolar transistor operating in the emitter follower configuration.
One has to point out, that Zener diodes which have Zener voltages below 6V will most often have a negative thermal coefficient, since in these diodes the "Avalanche Effect" is very small. Therefore, combining Zener diodes with lower voltages below 6V with a series Silicon diode will not help with the temperature compensation, in fact it might make the situation worse. Thus, one has to check the data-sheet of the given Zener before trying to apply thermal compensation.

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@awaisaltaf8876
@awaisaltaf8876 5 лет назад
Thank you for yet another excellent video!
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 5 лет назад
I am glad that you like the content!
@user-be4yc2vr5c
@user-be4yc2vr5c 5 лет назад
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@Gattuser
@Gattuser 5 лет назад
What you are saying is very, very, VERY clear. I really enjoy your videos, keep it up and thank you for the content!
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 5 лет назад
Thanks for the positive feedback! I am glad that the content is being educational.
@techie587
@techie587 3 года назад
Yes my brother,he says by heart.....you can never see ,what is not here in any ref book across the planet....
@michaelshansen7070
@michaelshansen7070 4 года назад
Thanks for coming back to finish smps videos.
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 4 года назад
In the last months I had issues in the family, so I simply had no will to sit down and put together content what is halfway good. Sorry for this...
@RS_83
@RS_83 5 лет назад
Great educational channel. Reminds me of the DiodeGoneWild youtube channel. Keep up the good work. Thank you.
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 5 лет назад
Thanks for the positive feedback. Actually RU-vid is thinking the same, since it has put DiodeGoneWild into related channels if you check my page. Thus, in some sense the algorithm is pretty darn smart.
@quallix8433
@quallix8433 2 года назад
Best series I found
@mexykanu
@mexykanu 5 лет назад
Thank you for taking the time to create this video !
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 5 лет назад
You are welcome. Also thank for your time for watching and commenting.
@omar7amdi
@omar7amdi 3 года назад
Thanks for your wonderful presentation.
@johnfrank6302
@johnfrank6302 5 лет назад
Thanks for the next video in your series. Looking forward to the next installment.
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 5 лет назад
Thanks for the comment. I am a bit tight on time since I need to pack up my stuff before I move next week, so lets hope that I will manage to finish the video.
@heinrichkoop4516
@heinrichkoop4516 5 лет назад
Great video, with a good explanation. Many thanks! Keep'em coming. Cheers
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 5 лет назад
Thanks. Hopefully next week I can upload an other video.
@pityuiam1384
@pityuiam1384 5 лет назад
Really nice series... I was learning elerctronics at high school but i have no clue how to repair a power supply. These videos helps a lot, cause they dont start at the nonsense p-n transition. Keep up the good work.
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 5 лет назад
I wanted to keep the content as simple as possible. At some time I will have to talk about semiconductors, but I definitely will not cover solid state physics and such. Main thing is what a transistor or a diode does. How it does it is not so important as long as one is not trying to design new stuff.
@mortenrolsing7137
@mortenrolsing7137 5 лет назад
Fantastic video series, one of the best on the subject on the Tube, thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge. :-)
@eugenebrown9803
@eugenebrown9803 5 лет назад
Really glad your producing videos again. Well Done.
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 5 лет назад
I hope that I will be able to keep up making decent educational content as long as my health/time allows. Although the channel views are growing slow, I still prefer this way. People who want to learn will watch my videos in spite that there is no techno music in the background and fancy editing effects.
@raviparkashsharma3271
@raviparkashsharma3271 5 лет назад
Beautifully explained. Keep it up and thanks a lot for this series on SMPS.
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 5 лет назад
Thanks for the comment. I will try to produce a video every week.
@incxxxx
@incxxxx 5 лет назад
Thanks. So Im waiting for next video.
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 5 лет назад
I will try to make an other video next week. I will be moving to an other apartment in a couple days, so I should pack up my stuff.
@AhmedAli-sn3ty
@AhmedAli-sn3ty 5 лет назад
i dont have enough time to watch it right away but i keep liking to convince you to make such good content in near future.
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 5 лет назад
@@AhmedAli-sn3tyThanks for the like! When you got time, just watch the video, it should be educational.
@Conservator.
@Conservator. 5 лет назад
Ahmed Ali Hi, If you watch a video for only a few seconds, RU-vid interprets the video as potential clickbait. I don’t know how that would work out in combination with a like. I just wanted to let you know this as you clearly want to support the Dr. (and so do I;).
@balajithala1
@balajithala1 4 года назад
Super teaching ....
@smartatwork2344
@smartatwork2344 5 лет назад
Very good explanation. Looking forward to the next episode. Great Job. Manx thx.
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 5 лет назад
I am happy that you liked the video! If all goes terribly right, this Saturday there should be a new video up as usual.
@Bob-hd6vd
@Bob-hd6vd 4 года назад
Thank you for your time and efforts. You're a good teacher !
@CHzwaves
@CHzwaves 3 года назад
Great content
@shvideo1
@shvideo1 3 года назад
Can you please share your component values so we can replicate the results and, therefore, learn hands-on? That would be very helpful. Great video, thank you.
@MattyEngland
@MattyEngland 5 лет назад
Thanks for the latest episode. :)
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 5 лет назад
You are welcome! Hopefully in the next week I will be able to upload the error amp and feedback loop.
@upendrachaudhari4635
@upendrachaudhari4635 5 лет назад
your videos are like GOT tv series ..i am hooked
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 5 лет назад
Thanks for the positive comment. I hope you are "hooked" in the right way ;) Sadly I am so swamped by my job nowadays, that I rarely got time to sit down and produce new videos.
@danmckinley7344
@danmckinley7344 5 лет назад
Looking forward to the next discussion.
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 5 лет назад
I will have to pack my stuff since I am moving to a new apartment next week, but lets hope that I will have time putting together a video before.
@orange11squares
@orange11squares 5 лет назад
good video...we will be experts by the time we reach the smps design. :))
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 5 лет назад
I am not sure I will ever do actual design videos, since those are really heavy on math and control theory. However, I want to cover the basics of how SMPS (and first linear PSUs) work before we can go into advanced repair.
@gelubotezan3917
@gelubotezan3917 4 года назад
Nice, clear explanation. One need to pay attention to the degree of compensation you get with one diode at the voltage of interest. If needed you might add a second compensation diode in order to improve the zener's tempco. Of course you will add twice the amount of regular diode voltage.
@DeltaSigma16
@DeltaSigma16 2 года назад
Sehr gut
@Fanof60s
@Fanof60s 5 лет назад
Ten videos up to now....looking forward for more.
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching the videos. Last two weeks I was moving to a new apartment, so all my stuff and editing computer was in storage. Had no internet either. This Sunday there should be a new video finally out again!
@mark8664
@mark8664 4 года назад
Different diodes are also used on some integrated circuits for biasing and switching levels.
@necoisidois7570
@necoisidois7570 4 года назад
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@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 4 года назад
Tried to translate via Google. If I got it right, the video was not clear. Sorry for that.
@patrickblessedtembo3664
@patrickblessedtembo3664 5 лет назад
the best teacher ever
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 5 лет назад
Thanks for the positive comment. If you got time and like the content, go through the other videos in this series.
@patrickblessedtembo3664
@patrickblessedtembo3664 5 лет назад
i have been following your videos sir. am always waiting for your new videos especially the smps series though am new in electronics. its not easy just hoping that one day i become somebody in electronics. thanks once small thank you, you are really doing a great job
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 5 лет назад
@@patrickblessedtembo3664As a real life advice what I can give people who want to get into electronics is: Just do it! Of course, at the beginning start out with small low voltage low power projects, and your knowledge will rapidly grow, trust me!
@TerryDeSimone
@TerryDeSimone 10 месяцев назад
at 8:37 isn't the zener facing the wrong way in the schematic? shouldn't they both be facing the same way for current flow?
@georgedone7997
@georgedone7997 5 лет назад
Another great video, Mr. Donkey. I hope you will manage to keep this way in the next episodes, highly biased toward the practical aspects of the circuits (such as in this case the role of silicon diode in temperature compensation). Too many times I saw on youtube channels starting promissing and then somehow getting far too basic and explaining fundamentals and what a capacitor does as if there are not already thousands sources where you can find out what a capacitor is. Please rezist the urge to become too basic, newbies are already well served by thousands other channels.
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 5 лет назад
Thanks for the comment. Regarding the issue of channels going far too basic the problem is, that many people are not patient enough to learn first the basics, and they ask super basic questions. Also, if one would like to grow a channel fast, the right way to go is to explain very basic stuff over and over again. I try to keep the channel going practical aspects and minimal theory what is really necessary to understand roughly how things work.
@space_cowboy007
@space_cowboy007 11 месяцев назад
hello, at 9:50 why is it not Vout = Vz - 0,75V? i do not get how the series silicon diode raises the voltage.
@radostar7139
@radostar7139 5 лет назад
In power grid. we have seen 3 phases. How do 3 phases create Ground?
@YouGenom
@YouGenom 5 лет назад
LOL, I was doing some research to operate a relay and keep finding silicon diode with zener diode in schematics. I also had no idea and there were no explanations!
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 5 лет назад
For a relay it might be a bit overkill to use thermally compensated Zener, so I am also wondering why would they design a board like that. Anyway, when I was young I had no idea why there was a diode in series with a Zener either.
@foulkesbrau3085
@foulkesbrau3085 4 года назад
YouGenom In DC you put the silicon diode across the coil for a snubber, you can do the same thing taking a zener from the bottom of the coil to ground. You are snubbing the excess voltage caused by the magnetic field of the relay coil collapsing. A relay coil, like an inductor does not like to see a change in direction of the current flow. Without the snubber, you will usually destroy your switching device i.e. Transistor.
@mohammedaram7514
@mohammedaram7514 5 лет назад
good good good
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 5 лет назад
thanks thanks thanks ;)
@AliensInc.
@AliensInc. 5 лет назад
Weee :D :D Another episode :)
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 5 лет назад
The saga continues ;)
@AliensInc.
@AliensInc. 5 лет назад
Best ever and hopefully up to the end. U da man :D
@Conservator.
@Conservator. 5 лет назад
Hi Dr., Tx again for another dosis of SMPS medicine. It seems to work quit well! Do you have any idea how many dosis are yet needed before we all are completely cured of SMPS-obliviousitus? Tx again from your loyal patient.
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 5 лет назад
I am afraid that it will be a long treatment. There are several topics where we have not even scratched the surface yet. After the error amplifier I have to start discussing transformers as coupled inductors in SMPS.
@Conservator.
@Conservator. 5 лет назад
Donkey Learning IT Ah, complications. I was -afraid of- looking forward to that. 😉
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 5 лет назад
@@Conservator.Haha, that is actually funny!
@radostar7139
@radostar7139 5 лет назад
2 batteries in sery .the meeting spot between +and - also create Ground. Why?
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 5 лет назад
Ground is just a point, and you measure voltage compared to that as a reference point. It is like sea level compared to which we measure altitude.
@Vidya1939
@Vidya1939 4 года назад
TKQ
@dabay200
@dabay200 4 года назад
Dr Donkey is torturing a poor zener diode 😂
@DonkeyLearningIT
@DonkeyLearningIT 4 года назад
Yes, sometimes diodes are willing to tell you *the truth* only after you torture them for hours. No diode was harmed during the making of the video though...
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