Instead of attacking the UK's towns the German Zepplins focused on Bombing Scapa Flow how much of an effect would this have in World War One esspecially give the fact that early war the Zepplin was hard to bring down and even if they didn't sink any ships the Grand Fleet couldn't counter the High Sea's fleet if their infrastructure is being redistrabuted over a wide area?
Can you please explain the history of UK (and/or US) naval ranks, both officer and enlisted? Including their origins, evolution, meaning, responsibilities ...etc. Thanks. Keep up the great content!
I was rewatching your survival at sea episode and a thought occured to me in films and in real life when ships end up with holes in the hulls the ships stop is this to stop water flooding in like a vacum or something of that ilk? Also when should a ship keep going?
Why are ships worth more as target practice than scrap? I assume that a ship used for target practice in the open ocean will not be recovered for scrap.
An interesting fact about the sinking of the SMS Szent István you'll notice a lot of the crew seem to be decent too very good swimmers, this is because the Austro-Hungarian navy were one of the the only navy at the time to require all sailors to be able to swim.
@@a_Minion_of_Soros In deference to food products ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%BCr%C3%BCm HMS Barham Blowing up (colorized in 4k ...) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PmTZ-R4QM1E.html .
@@electricfenrir0239 weird fact, Indonesia, an islands nation in Pacific, actually owns a few warships made by Austria until now. Curious thing considering Austria doesn't even own any coastline.
And the last commanding Admiral of the Austro Hungarian Navy would become "Regent" of Hungary. Admiral Nicolas Horthy would rule as leader of a diminished Hungry through the 1930's and till the end of WWII.
Italian frogman: This massive battleship is going to be sunk in the most inconceivable way possible. British pilot: Hold my Stringbag. Japanese chaps: It'll work far better if we need no plan for getting home afterwards.
reminded me of one of the episode on Ghost in the Shell: Standalone Complex. There was a quote where there were trying to figure out on a possible assassination plot and they found his old teachings of "the plan with highest possibility of the kill is the one you don't factor in a way out"
You gotta love those Frenchies. They took a BB well advanced in design to their own Dreadnoughts (except underwater protection) and used it as bombing target instead replacing one of their Courbet's with it.
Prinz Eugen did have several advantages over the Courbet class, particularly regarding the rejection of wing turrets. But the sinking's of Prinz Eugen's sisters, and issues with speed and range, probably made her less than desirable.
Man those Italian special forces guys were masters at sinking battleships or capital ships in general. They managed to sink several of them during the two world wars.......and possibly one in Sevastopol in the 50s but we wont talk about that.
To be fair, Viribus Unitis wasn't protected, as it was no longer an Austro-Hungarian ship when the Italians sank her. During the ongoing collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Empire in the last days of WWI, the entire Austro-Hungarian navy had been ceremoniously gifted by the Emperor to the newly created State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs. Seeing as the State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs didn't see itself as being at war with the Entante, they immediately declared neutrality, and declared Pola an open port, lighting the ships and building up in celebration of peace and their new-found independence. It was during the night of the next day that the Italian frogmen came into the now open and very well lit harbour and mined Viribus Unitis. Which raises some questions about just how much of an illegal bastard move from the Italians that was, but both sides have a different perspective on that.
@@kreol1q1q To be fair, any Austrian attempt to save part of the fleet by merely switching flag was just a childish dream. Of the many dreadnought, semi-dreadnought , coastal battleships, armoured cruiser and light cruisers of the k.u.k. Kriegsmarine, not one modern major ship was left by the winners to the successor state, that obtained from "their" :-) fleet only a single coastal ironclad built in 1884-89. All surviving major ships were divided between Britain, France and Italy, nobody bothered about what the Austrian empire tried to bargain using the ships as a token. Their ships sadly were no longer "their" ships, and they knew it, too. The illegal move , if any, was to try to change flag at the 25th hour after losing the war, and as such was totally disregarded.
@@lewisirwin5363 The Italian battleship Giulio Cesare (commissioned 7 June 1914) was transferred to the Soviet Navy after WW2, and then suffered a Magazine Explosion whilst anchored in Sevastopol on the night of 28/29th of October, 1955. She was most likely sunk by German Magnetic Mines that hadn't been properly swept beforehand. WW1/2 era Minefields are still a lingering problem to this day, as shown here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UHdPZtqDBPk.html
@@kreol1q1q In reality, the passage of the ships was a cunning even a little squalid. In the idea of the Habsburg Otto the empire had to remain standing with the only difference that the ethnic component of the Southern Slavs, probably including the Serbs, that is, the Gavrilo Princip ..., would have been equated with the Austrians and Hungarians. In this situation it was obvious that the military effort would have to be distributed differently. Austria and Hungary for obvious geographical reasons would have continued to provide the bulk of the common army and contribution with their respective "national" armies to land defense, the Slavic component would have mainly supported the fleet which could only have been common. So it was always the imperial fleet, only the accounts had changed and who put the money. Even more squalid if the idea was to make it pass to a state in some way heir to the old Serbia and thus remove it from the division between the victorious powers, also allowing the Slovenes and Croats to present themselves as "winners" of the war by containing Italian claims. which rightly infuriated our delegation at Versailles who could not bear to have to treat like the guys who had "just taken off their Austrian uniforms" cf diplomatic battles. So I do not know whether to define this story as a maxi game of three cards or an attempted fraudulent bankruptcy, in which shortly before the arrival of the bailiff, the assets are registered with the wife or grandfather in the retirement home of which one is the guardian, or a way to play cards all you have to spite creditors
I'm picturing Christopher Plummer, Julie Andrew's and the kids , sitting on a triple turret singing these are a few of my favorite things. Sorry couldn't resist.
Funny how the naval power with one of the smallest and shortest lasting fleet of dreadnoughts provides us with iconic footage of a battleship sinking. Very interesting ships, but they might have done better with over size monitors designed to be mined and torpedo in dangerous littoral waters.
I do t think thats an accurate destiption of these vessels. They brought equal protection and speed, and superior firepower to most of their contemporaries at a much lower displacement, thus cost. Range and strategic mobility were perfectly acceptable sacrifices when they were mostly expected to operate in the adriatic, or at most the mediterranean sea.
@@joshuamarvin7400 A flaw common to the dreadnoughts of the time. These in fact probably had the nost advabced torpedo protection in the world at time of launch (which was still insufficient). In fact St. Stephan didnt sink because of the torpedo hit, it sank because of progressive flooding, that happened as a result of bilge pumps shutting down, that did so because some watertight bulkheads failed to close, and the engines shut down. The class could as designed take 4-8 torpedoes and remain combat effective in the immediate term. Indeed St Stephen only foundered two and a half hours after it was hit, even with its faulty bulkheads.
Pronunciation of "Szent István" = sent ISHT-vahn Hungarian "sz" is pronounced like English "s". Hungarian "s" is pronounced like English "sh". Hungarian "á" is pronounced like the "ah" that comes out involuntarily as you lower your aching body into the hot tub. :-) Thanks for the cool video. They were handsome ships, no?
Okay, my question is Which of these was Captained By Baron Von Trapp? Of the Sound of Music Von Trapps. The premise of the film was that the Baron didnt want to serve as a captain in the Nazi navy. I remember as a 10 year old kid, watching the movie, and wondering how Austria had a Navy, as I knew from current geography that it was land locked. I learned later on in more advanced history classes about the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
@@DABrock-author I read that he was marching in the Austrian Navy veteran's parade in New York city in 1949. Not a lot of Austrian naval veterans in the U.S. back then. He forgot to get a parade permit and being as he was marching down Fifth avenue as the only one in the parade, he was hit by a taxi and died on the spot.
About the sinking of the viribus unitis: In reality, the passage of the ships was a cunning even a little squalid. In the idea of the Habsburg Otto the empire had to remain standing with the only difference that the ethnic component of the Southern Slavs, probably including the Serbs, that is, the Gavrilo Princip ..., would have been equated with the Austrians and Hungarians. In this situation it was obvious that the military effort would have to be distributed differently. Austria and Hungary for obvious geographical reasons would have continued to provide the bulk of the common army and contribution with their respective "national" armies to land defense, the Slavic component would have mainly supported the fleet which could only have been common. So it was always the imperial fleet, only the accounts had changed and who put the money. Even more squalid if the idea was to make it pass to a state in some way heir to the old Serbia and thus remove it from the division between the victorious powers, also allowing the Slovenes and Croats to present themselves as "winners" of the war by containing Italian claims. which rightly infuriated our delegation at Versailles who could not bear to have to treat like the guys who had "just taken off their Austrian uniforms" cf diplomatic battles. So I do not know whether to define this story as a maxi game of three cards or an attempted fraudulent bankruptcy, in which shortly before the arrival of the bailiff, the assets are registered with the wife or grandfather in the retirement home of which one is the guardian, or a way to play cards all you have to spite creditors....
And so they were fairly easy to sink. And the one sinking in 15 mins probably broke a record for the fastest sinking battleship without being broken in half by a magazine detonation.
Not the least because I have family from there, but I find the entire breakup of the Austro-Hungarian Empire extremely tragic. The Hapsburg rulers weren't the best, without doubt - but I can' only think what I unified Empire might have meant as Hitler began his rise to power.
Have you ever considered profiling the USS Sable or the USS Wolverine, the only sidewheel aircraft carriers ever? They were used to train pilots during WW II.
Thank you for making it. I'd like to think that you were motivated to make it upon reading my comment on the TTS episode. Thank you anyways, Now I can learn about the best Hungarian battleship ever!
The Tegethoff ships had insufficient belt armor below the waterline, which was pointed out by naval architects in Berlin, but nothing was done to correct it.
A possibly interesting, if irrelevant fact: Italy, in 1968, was the only country in the world that issued postage stamps commemorating the 50th anniversary of victory in war. Make of that what you will:)
This video tells very little you can't find in Wikipedia about the ship: what about the problems in construction, the fatal fault of the turrets not able to keep firing for more the 15 minutes without exhaust fumes killing the men inside? What about the problems with the B turrets too heavy and powerful which warped the ship hull and forced the AH marine to try to strengthens the main structure without ever solving the issue? What about the guns strength vs their German and Enemy counterparts? What about the faults in the turret top Armour which could be shredded away by any high caliber gun just by glancing on it? How bad was torpedo protection compared to the similarly VERY inadequate protection of contemporary BBs? What about the absurdly cramped an inhuman conditions of the crew quarters compared with the lavishly luxurious officier's quarters?
Torpedo protection was considered, and in place, which was better than most contemporaries, but given that the effectiveness of the bulge air gap was overestimated, it proved inadequate. An interesting bit of trivia, is that the St. István did t sink because of inadequate torpedo protection, the explosions only breached two compartments, the problem was that the bulkheads couldnt be properly sealed, thus the flooding spread to the other boiler rooms evsntually starving the pumps of power, making further counterflooding impossible, and so the ship foundered. The i adequate fume extraction I have heared of, as well as B turret being much too heavy and its firing compromising stability, hence the 3223 arrangement of the planned successor class, turret roof armour being brittle I know of no source for, nor do I see a possibilify of it ever being realised, seeimg as the ships never partook in a gun duel. As for being cramped, yes, when you cram a ship with 14 hundred crew into 163 meters of length, you wont ha e much space aboard. But seeing as they were never meant for extended deployment, with a paltry 5k nm range, I dont see much of an issue with this.
If it's not too much too ask, would you mind doing a video on any of the following: the Hunt class destroyers, the river class frigates, the Royal Navy War Emergency Programme destroyers or the various small torpedo boats like the MTB's and e-boats.
I have a 1/250 card model of the Viribus Unitas. It's green in colour but I guess that's because it wasn't intended for the North Atlantic. A nice model I must say.
4:20 - So, "the Sinker", an Italian officer named Luigi Rizzo earlier in 1917 managed to sink the coastal pre-dread battleship SMS Wien, commanded the MAS-15, with two confirmed hits (out of 2 launcher). However, the other boat, MAS-21 also reported two launches with one miss and one possible hit around the funnels. And then the diver's expedition in 1997 found 4 holes amidships... ng.hu/kultura/2018/06/13/szaz-eve-sullyedt-el-a-szent-istvan-csatahajo/ ng.hu/uploads/2018/06/201806-sztistvan11.jpg
4:17 Torpedo boats, do you see torpedo boats? Italians, you say? But still torpedo boats, right? * Throws binoculars in general direction of said torpedo boats, making sad Russian Second Pacific Fleet noises * 😉 🤣
The "terrible" underwater protection of this class is getting really old. Or will someone provide me an example of similar sized (20 000t) contemporary warship surviving this kind of underwater damage? Like HMS Audacious, being significantly larger and of a later design but sunk by a single mine. Barham and Royal Oak took 3 torps each but those were over 50% bigger, and somewhat modernized betwen the wars. During WWI only the germans and the american standards had decent torp defense, every other nations BB were boned when they took underwater damage.
Marlborough did ok after being hit by a torpedo, Audacious' loss was more down to failings in damage control than fatal flaws in the design of the ship itself.
Was this class the first to have four triple turrets located on the centerline? I can't think of an earlier one, but I'm probably forgetting something.
@@serjacklucern4584 What's a "trinate" turret? Do you mean a triple turret? If so, the real battle for first triple turret on the centerline is between Dante Alighieri and the Russian Gangut. They were both laid down within two months of each other, and it appears Italy and Russia did some industrial espionage to get data on the Austro-Hungary ship's triple turrets. All three ships were laid down within a couple months of each other, but an all out effort by Italy allowed their ship to be launched about six months sooner than Tegethoff.
I can make no claims to being a Naval tactician or a designer/builder of warships, but I am surprised that the SMS Sven Istvan did not turn her smaller caliber guns on that torpedo boat, unless it was a night attack and they managed to catch her flat-footed.
The austrian navy used olive green as camoflage from around 1900 up until early 1914. This was used because the concept was to wait for an invadinf force between the dalmatian islands and egage from within these islands. But a change in doctrin lead to the all ships beeing repainted in a bluish grey by the start of ww1
The entire empire of a dozen nationalities was split into two kingdoms, one run from Vienna and the other run from Budapest. So Hungary had territory on the Adriatic coast, although it wasn't populated by ethnic Hungarians.
Croatia was an independent country under the Hungarian crown, kinda like Wales in Britain. As a matter of fact the Croatian bán was the second dignitary in the country, like the Prince of Wales, too.
I heard Viribus unitis wasnt even an austrian ship any more when the Italians sank it, instead having been just handed over to the nascent yugoslavian navy. Is there any truth to that?
When Austria-Hungary collapsed, the newly formed Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes (proto-yugoslavia) inherited their entire remaining navy... and uninherited it almost as fast as the Triple Entente didn't recognize them as independant (Hungary got the REALLY short end of that same stick as well) and forced them to surrender most of it. So yeah its possible that they had the Viribus Unitis for a short time.
Finally seeing this... These ships, for their many flaws... Are beautiful examples of form following function. Had they been built in Britain or America, they might have been wonderful ships... Until their Infinite Improbability Drives caused sudden and gratuitous existence failures, foreshadowing the end of the Starship Titanic.
I always thought the Austrian ships were the most logical design for a battle ship with their 12 guns in 4 turrets. Yet despite this innovation, they failed to develop protection against underwater attacks. This lack of foresight seems idiotic today, but I'm sure there were other considerations.
The Austro-hungarian empire had big ships because this was what big powers had. They were chasing the idea of power with these huge assets. But in the end these ships were moslty useless during the war. In a classic case of asymetric warfare, the small and agile italian torpedo boats were much cheaper and efficient..
The bombardment of italian coastal towns by the battleships delayed the mobilisation and logistics of italian troops on the frontline which gave Asutria-Hungary additional time to strenghten its defences.
In a way one could argue that all battleships were kind of horrible useless investments not worth the massive costs that a nation needed to incur over time.
Did Szent Istvan overheat, due to having only 2 sets of turbines, for 2 screws, instead of 4 each, like the other 3 ships, while trying to keep up the same speed?
The szent istvan was completed after the beginning of the war and for that reason she never had anything like a runup or even proper seatrails. For that reason her mashinery was not properly set up and the crew had no expirence runing the ship at speed. The only times she left harbour befor she was sunk was going to the shootingrange in the fasana canale witch is just one mile outside of pola harbour.
In that case, we can add USS Arkansas to the list, not that you can actually see much more of it than a "shadow" in the side of the mushroom cloud, but Nagato, New York, and Nevada survived the actual bomb blast with only minor damage. Arkansas only sank because it was almost directly over the bomb in the second test and was twisted/flipped by the blast. Nagato, much like the Prinz Eugen, came away with minor leaks that could easily have been dealt with had it not been for the radioactive contamination and sank much later, off camera. Very few ships were actually sunk in Operation Crossroads by the blast or even leaks caused by the blast. Most had to be disposed of by other means. One DD was even used as a testbed to see just how much work it would take to scrub the contamination and return it to service. In short, due to the need to sandblast every single surface down to bare metal and the time, effort and money expended in the process, it was not deemed to be a practical endeavor, though that particular ship was successfully returned to service and had a reasonably normal career.
Your volume is severely off in this one, and has been for a while. The intro and outtro is very quiet, while Drachinifel's dulcet tones are much, much louder.
Today we learnt that nations can't stand their enemies having nice things. That's why Austria had a navy. Next video: Why do Paraguai runs destroyers up and down the river.
@@fabianherrmann6398 It is a good way to patrol the wilderness. In river warfare, small draft, machine-guns and light cannons are more useful than cruise missiles.
