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Smyth Busters: Will Steel Cased Ammo Damage My Gun? 

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"If you run steel through your gun, it'll ruin the chamber." "If it doesn't run steel, it doesn't deserve brass." The debate over steel-cased ammunition seems never-ending. Or is it? Brownells Gun Techs Steve and Caleb are here to explain why steel-cased ammo WILL NOT ruin your gun! Steel cases are used mostly in inexpensive ammo imported from Russia and former Soviet Bloc countries, which may be the source of the "Steel is Bad" myth. Early imported steel-cased ammo had corrosive primers, which DID result in chamber damage for folks who didn't clean their guns properly.
Sub-Myth #1: the slick polymer coating on steel-cased ammo will melt off in the chamber and gum up your rifle. No, says Caleb - and he explains why. (A rough chamber will scrape off some of the polycoating and create something akin to shotgun wad fouling. The solution, again, is cleaning.) Sub-Myth #2: the steel case will wear the chamber.... but it won't because the steel of the shell is MUCH softer than the steel of a rifle chamber.
Two things are true: Steel-cased ammo will run dirtier because the case doesn't expand and seal out the fouling as well as a brass case. You just have to clean your gun more often. And steel cases DO wear the extractor more because they aren't as malleable brass cases. But with what you save on the cost of ammo by shooting steel, you can afford to replace the extractor a couple extra times. Today's score: Another myth BUSTED.
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Комментарии : 3 тыс.   
@CptJohn
@CptJohn 3 года назад
The casual rocket launcher behind them in the safe just chillin
@GiovanniV69
@GiovanniV69 3 года назад
I believe that's an AT-4
@chinchilla641
@chinchilla641 3 года назад
Looks like a Gustav recoiless rifle.
@distalradius8146
@distalradius8146 3 года назад
@@chinchilla641 AT-4 is lightened American version of Carl Gustav 84.
@cruzzindodge
@cruzzindodge 3 года назад
I also believe it to be AT-4
@samtorres4996
@samtorres4996 3 года назад
It's a slice of pizza
@Tadicuslegion78
@Tadicuslegion78 4 года назад
It's anti-steel propaganda by brass hounds at the range.
@tommywhite1944
@tommywhite1944 4 года назад
You can't reload steel cases, so it's myths for fudds to collect brass 👀
@jameshuggins4300
@jameshuggins4300 4 года назад
Hey it works!😎
@ryanpeck3377
@ryanpeck3377 4 года назад
Truthfully the bimetal ammo can cause sparking on metal targets etc and is often banned for that reason... but also the brass goblins cant get their fix
@Tadicuslegion78
@Tadicuslegion78 4 года назад
@@ryanpeck3377 See that first part makes sense, especially in indoor ranges
@ernestclements7398
@ernestclements7398 4 года назад
The reason that ranges hate steel is that it is unreloadable because many ranges recycle spent brass they get more money for brass that is uncontaminated by steel and it is difficult to separate the two, therefore many ranges ban the use of steel cased ammo!
@frilime1710
@frilime1710 3 года назад
It is really nice to hear competent people talk without any hyping or shouting, just facts. It is a great content.
@gunslinger3090
@gunslinger3090 2 года назад
these people are not competent.
@Force1Com
@Force1Com Год назад
Seems to me cheap Russian 223 will absorb moisture over time and can become extremely dangerous to shoot... so there's that...
@MysteriousMarsupial
@MysteriousMarsupial Год назад
😆@@gunslinger3090
@mattf1787
@mattf1787 3 года назад
These videos remind me of "this old house" but with guns
@hectorg7090
@hectorg7090 3 года назад
Haha. You're right.
@fukoofjj
@fukoofjj 3 года назад
So true but this is better! No hate, I love this old house
@FELiPES101
@FELiPES101 3 года назад
you nailed it haha...the wood table, blue button ups, and coffee cups
@ratherbe7
@ratherbe7 3 года назад
True
@webfactorysolutions
@webfactorysolutions 3 года назад
Definitely, just less dumb jokes
@TXSunStroke
@TXSunStroke 4 года назад
Polymer blend cases are being developed now, one day we will look back and remember debating brass vs steel. Then again the direction this country is going people may look back and say Remember when we had a right to own a firearm.
@killerratchet1973
@killerratchet1973 4 года назад
Hey well if they willingly turned them into the government, yet still cry about it online and think they can "vote them out" despite voting demographics being against them they deserve to lose that right.
@heidebaer41
@heidebaer41 4 года назад
More like "Remember when we had a functioning goverment that actually protected those who didn't own guns"
@musicalityadventures8544
@musicalityadventures8544 4 года назад
How true, but I pray never in Texas
@doyoumakeittotheclouddistr4132
@doyoumakeittotheclouddistr4132 4 года назад
They wont change the 2nd amendment.
@heidebaer41
@heidebaer41 4 года назад
@@doyoumakeittotheclouddistr4132 They don't have to. All new weapons are serialized and registered, so as soon as the old stuff stops working, the right to bear arms is one 'executive order due to extreme circumstances' away from being gone.
@rotorheadv8
@rotorheadv8 3 года назад
If it goes bang in my firearm, I will take it.
@SwindleTV
@SwindleTV 3 года назад
My man 💪🏾💪🏾
@EggplantHarmesan
@EggplantHarmesan 3 года назад
spiked 7.62
@Oberkommando
@Oberkommando 3 года назад
... buys .50 BMG slap rounds from shady dealer
@DinnerForkTongue
@DinnerForkTongue 3 года назад
@@Oberkommando Oof.
@echo5827
@echo5827 Месяц назад
And you will only buy Glock and no aftermarket triggers because you only need the most reliable firearm. But yeah 20 cent steel is fine
@tannerquismundo1754
@tannerquismundo1754 4 года назад
“If it doesn’t run steel then it doesn’t deserve brass” Heck yeah he said the thing!
@brutalbag225
@brutalbag225 3 года назад
Why do people keep saying "the thing" lol.. is it a Joe Biden thing?
@tannerquismundo1754
@tannerquismundo1754 3 года назад
@@brutalbag225 Nah, Brandon Herrera (the AK Guy) said it in a video awhile back
@cbsbass4142
@cbsbass4142 3 года назад
@@brutalbag225 Yeah man, you know---The Thing! :)
@buckweed420
@buckweed420 3 года назад
One of my favorite sayings.
@TheRetiredVeteran
@TheRetiredVeteran 2 года назад
@@brutalbag225 That is Joe Biden's "thing."
@mikemueller3552
@mikemueller3552 4 года назад
I personally recommend people not to buy any. Therefore I think it would be best for me to buy as much as I can to verify what they’re saying is true with my own independent studies!!
@ch4osaeternum74
@ch4osaeternum74 4 года назад
You sly dog you lol
@exoticcreature3059
@exoticcreature3059 4 года назад
Something tells me it will be awhile for you to complete those studies.
@daveb5540
@daveb5540 3 года назад
@@ch4osaeternum74 Ha Ha Ha :)
@stonerman15
@stonerman15 3 года назад
If anybody has steel cased rounds they do not want, I’ll take it. (7.62x39)
@youngc1mission
@youngc1mission 3 года назад
I don’t think nobody giving any up unless u tryna pay 2arms & 2legs especially now😥
@that1electrician
@that1electrician 2 года назад
@@youngc1mission So glad I saw the writing on the wall 6 years ago and started buying bulk from SGammo back when it was 150 bucks for 1k rounds of 7.62 I have enough ammo that if I were to sell everything at todays prices, I'd have enough for a hefty down payment on a nice house in the burbs.
@dartdodge69
@dartdodge69 2 года назад
@@that1electrician but then you be stuck in the burbs without any ammo 😉
@PersonlApocalypz
@PersonlApocalypz 4 года назад
I NEED to know: what’s with the rocket launcher in the safe in the background? 😂
@isaace8090
@isaace8090 4 года назад
Expended AT4. You can search online and find them for sale here and there. Once fired, it's just a tube and can't be reloaded.
@jason200912
@jason200912 4 года назад
Home defense.
@CheJoffre
@CheJoffre 4 года назад
haha, yessss! Now I want a dummy one.
@brandonmurchison3993
@brandonmurchison3993 4 года назад
👀😂😂💀💀☠☠
@thisguytrucksoldtrailer6875
@thisguytrucksoldtrailer6875 4 года назад
America
@KGBBooks
@KGBBooks 4 года назад
AK is like Soviet people: always hungry, will eat anything
@DeltaEchoGolf
@DeltaEchoGolf 3 года назад
@@BanBootlicking All those potatoes. Which includes vodka.
@cbsbass4142
@cbsbass4142 3 года назад
@@BanBootlicking Caribou eaten raw with potatoes, comrade.
@BanBootlicking
@BanBootlicking 3 года назад
@@cbsbass4142 It's not like the Soviet Union made enough electricity to export it to other Eastern Bloc countries (sarcasm). Stop being such a brainwashed moron. A country cannot be the second world power pioneering space travel and have nuclear energy, while being an underdeveloped backwards country, where people can't cook their food, at the same time. Choose one, you can't have both. Have you looked at America recently? More and more breadlines. Considering how rich the US is, this is beyond pathetic.
@flaflaflooey11
@flaflaflooey11 3 года назад
@@BanBootlicking you made my day!
@mightyjoeyoung1390
@mightyjoeyoung1390 3 года назад
@@BanBootlicking Take your bullsh!t commy propaganda and cram it where the sun doesn't shine. You seem to think communism meant everybody got the same levels of food and essential goods. Nothing could be further from the truth and you damn well know it. The "haves" got the lion's share and the populace got what was left or what they could scrounge. You're the one that's brainwashed comrade.
@bpresgrove
@bpresgrove 3 года назад
I’ve been using Tulammo bear and wolf steel case for years in my 556 308 and 45. A little dirty but like they said you have to clean your tool after each use. Never misses a beat.
@TheGuy030770
@TheGuy030770 2 года назад
Brian Presgrive, where are you finding Bear ammunition? Is it Brown Bear or Silver Bear?
@paintman2020
@paintman2020 2 года назад
Same
@nova68cutie
@nova68cutie 2 года назад
Me 2
@bpresgrove
@bpresgrove 2 года назад
@@TheGuy030770 I'm sorry for the late response. I shoot silver. Have not shot any brown. I did a quick search before I replied and there is still plenty of both out there for sale. Prices have gone up on it of course but just have to shop around.
@cdsmit27
@cdsmit27 2 года назад
I always clean my tool after each use
@dsmith51074
@dsmith51074 4 года назад
Bottom line....shoot it, clean it. 😀
@Big6Duke
@Big6Duke 4 года назад
And replace your parts more offend because of the additional wear....
@thelonepainter4760
@thelonepainter4760 4 года назад
Damn you for this video! Now everyone is going to buy off the steel case ammo. Awesome video by the!😁🇺🇸👍
@cfltitan
@cfltitan 4 года назад
Hell it's all been gone for awhile now already! I can't remember the last time I saw wolf 223 in stock anywhere. It's funny too because that most likely means that the ammo snobs must have ran out and bought a bunch when things started looking ugly. I guess they're too good for it until they might need it to save their lives.
@thelonepainter4760
@thelonepainter4760 4 года назад
@@cfltitan yup! Well said.👍🇺🇸
@AwkwardYet
@AwkwardYet 4 года назад
if lucky gunner steel case test didnt make them do it before
@Buletspunge555
@Buletspunge555 4 года назад
I googled it yesterday to check on status. Steel cased .223 bulk target stuff (where available) was around 60 cents a piece and you still had to pay shipping! I payed .65 per round for a case of PMC XTAC in 2013 and I thought that was bad! Steel isn't cheaper anymore from what I can see. It's all about what you're willing to pay and what you can find in 2020
@shad0wmech
@shad0wmech 3 года назад
@Maine Jackal lol, Ah yes its "junk" but it still is accurate enough in 50+ year old guns to hit mansized target free hand at 300yards. I guess one persons "Junk" is another persons treasure
@jamesgordon1949
@jamesgordon1949 3 года назад
…I’m so glad to know this. During this shortage i’ve had to purchase steel for the first time…then I heard it’s bad…then I freaked out…then I got disappointed…then I found these sensible gun experts…now I’m relieved…i should stay off the Internet…
@LocustMtn
@LocustMtn Год назад
It happens to us all. Too much information!
@jyc2201
@jyc2201 4 года назад
SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT! Shoot brass, pick up brass, RELOAD brass! :-) See? I'm an environmentalist!
@theoverwatch23-10
@theoverwatch23-10 4 года назад
Hell yeah!!
@timothysackett8599
@timothysackett8599 3 года назад
It doesn't matter steel lead or copper or brass all metal comes from the environment
@martinhamill7958
@martinhamill7958 3 года назад
@@timothysackett8599 r/wooosh
@danielsteger8456
@danielsteger8456 3 года назад
@@martinhamill7958 wrong. he got the joke.
@martinhamill7958
@martinhamill7958 3 года назад
@@danielsteger8456 oh... fuck
@CarlG2003
@CarlG2003 4 года назад
They ran steel cases ammo through m16s at the civil war in El Salvador back in the 80s and now days ppl are so afraid use steel case ammo.
@CoryHobbs2178
@CoryHobbs2178 4 года назад
Incorrect, Those were actually AR's that were open bolt firing SR-15 bullpups 🤣 And if you bump the rifle the bolt will close and fire around right into yo head
@TheDoorspook11c
@TheDoorspook11c 4 года назад
@@CoryHobbs2178 wtf are you spewing?
@manupontheprecipice6254
@manupontheprecipice6254 4 года назад
Door Spook Black militia leader, I think, put out a video explaining that an AR-15, I kid you not, was a bullpup. And that simply dropping the rifle on the ground would case the bolt to slam shut and fire off a round. Angry Cops on youtube explains it real well.
@flame06171984
@flame06171984 4 года назад
@@manupontheprecipice6254 he pissed me completely off by that video. He knew knowing of guns
@iHipHopVEVO
@iHipHopVEVO 4 года назад
I’m from El Salvador 🇸🇻, Brave Humble people 🇺🇸🇸🇻
@Gunners_Mate_Guns
@Gunners_Mate_Guns 3 года назад
There's one one big reason why I don't shoot steel at all: I'm a reloader.
@incontinentiabuttocks5271
@incontinentiabuttocks5271 3 года назад
You can reload steel cases.
@MrAdeuhtyr
@MrAdeuhtyr 3 года назад
@@incontinentiabuttocks5271 not all of them. Most of the steel I’ve come across, has two small holes for the primer rather than one regular sized hole. This makes popping the primers out nearly impossible
@morrius0757
@morrius0757 3 года назад
@@MrAdeuhtyr there's ways to pop the two hole cases, it's a pain but it can be done.
@MrAdeuhtyr
@MrAdeuhtyr 3 года назад
@@morrius0757 obviously there’s ways to make it happen. It’s gonna take either a custom tool, a fair amount of time, and/or a lot more effort than standard brass would take. But if you like to reload inefficiently, it’s probably just right for you
@mitchallen5819
@mitchallen5819 2 года назад
I had more jams in my old AR with steel casing than anything.
@RoRo-hw3um
@RoRo-hw3um 3 года назад
This guy is the mr. roger of the gun community 😂😂😂
@beekeeper8474
@beekeeper8474 3 года назад
I remember when you could get a case of sks for $600. Ah I wish I would have bought one.
@betafishjeremy7454
@betafishjeremy7454 3 года назад
Now its $.50 per round the cheapest
@Voltis-5
@Voltis-5 3 года назад
@@betafishjeremy7454 if you look around you can still find ammo for under 50¢/rnd. I've been able to score 1000 9mm for $28 of 100rnd box and 223/556 for 1000rnd for $450. I've been getting mine mostly from Bass pro shop and other local fun stores by me.
@betafishjeremy7454
@betafishjeremy7454 3 года назад
@@Voltis-5 I was specifically talking about the 7.62x39. When I got some the cheapest I could find at the time was around $.50/rnd
@gabrielwong9063
@gabrielwong9063 3 года назад
@@Voltis-5 I can't find shit
@daveb5540
@daveb5540 3 года назад
Bought one, I hope you meant one more :/.
@Raichle9
@Raichle9 3 года назад
This is such a wonderful service you provide. Your knowledge is very helpful to us beginners.
@Ner-vod
@Ner-vod 4 года назад
Can we just take a second and appreciate the AT-4 sitting behind them lmao, I love these guys.
@davidooch
@davidooch 3 года назад
You might already know, but I’ll say it anyway , AT4’s are a one shot deal. I’m sure that thing is spent and empty. It also might be a trainer that shoots a tracer 45 round.
@JasonON
@JasonON 2 года назад
@@davidooch Went to the AT4 range on Ft. Hood. Had a lot of fun. But yeah, it's a one and done option.
@davidooch
@davidooch 2 года назад
@@JasonON Yes I remember the same thing from the Marine Corps. That’s probably why they have it, we can all probably pick one up in an Army and Navy store.
@_datapoint
@_datapoint 4 года назад
Was that a synchronized drinking of coffee at the end?
@CalebSavant
@CalebSavant 4 года назад
Not even planned.
@roberttompkins9991
@roberttompkins9991 4 года назад
I think the copper mug guy is drinking Moscow Mule
@americanpatriot6502
@americanpatriot6502 4 года назад
@DannyBoyDDD no American how dare u... You don't paly modern Warfare do you...
@bulkhungry
@bulkhungry 4 года назад
Two guys on the same wavelength with coffees finish speaking after 7 minutes and drink in unison . Seems about right to me . Drink up before it's cold !
@BusterHuggs
@BusterHuggs 4 года назад
DannyBoyDDD en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT4
@sithcdw
@sithcdw 2 года назад
A lot of ammo also have bimetallic jackets. A blend of steel and copper. Lucky gunner did a very in depth test on this and showed more throat erosion and barrel wear. For the vast majority of shooters, there will be no difference whatsoever.
@bigcountryvet5984
@bigcountryvet5984 4 года назад
My grandson has been using steel case in my AR-15 for months. That was the only .223 he could find in the area. He said no malfunctions at all.
@rylanmartin9040
@rylanmartin9040 3 года назад
Cool grandson, and you for that matter
@johnwalczak935
@johnwalczak935 3 года назад
Not yet at least. Wait until he has put about 7-9 k of it down range when all of a sudden the gun jams because the case didn’t extract.
@bobbyhempel1513
@bobbyhempel1513 3 года назад
@@johnwalczak935 after 15,000 rounds of steel cased ammo through my AR-15 I have not had one single jam misfire or any other malfunction whatsoever and I only clean it every thousand rounds so go tell somebody else that bullshit. Oh and I'm running the cheapest AR-15 I could possibly put together.
@johnwalczak935
@johnwalczak935 3 года назад
@@bobbyhempel1513 you’ll be sorry one day
@SectionChief
@SectionChief 3 года назад
@@johnwalczak935 Feels like you live for “I told you so” moments. I’ve been shooting steel case ammo for years through pistol, revolver, AR15 and AK47 and no functional damage yet based on that ammo. When shooting suppressed steel case, occasionally it may not cycle due to lower pressure. Also higher occurrence of light primer strike depending on the firearm hammer, striker, firing pin spring condition. Steel case in general is good to go.
@11aaguilar
@11aaguilar 4 года назад
"If it can't shoot the steel, it doesn't deserve the brass." My Brownells BRN-16A1 as it fails to even chamber steel cased: ....
@Kevinlinaresroller
@Kevinlinaresroller 4 года назад
Lmaooooo
@supramaniac502
@supramaniac502 4 года назад
Well, you heard the man... Time to chuck it... 😂
@dontquestionmyname5490
@dontquestionmyname5490 4 года назад
My BRN too, but after i used dry lube or graphite powder on the magazines, it works flawlessly with steel case
@supramaniac502
@supramaniac502 4 года назад
@@dontquestionmyname5490 thats a trick I havent heard before. I'll keep that in mind to try in case my 1911 or my keltec pf9 either one decide they don't like that Tulla ammo, but so far, they each have better than 500 rounds of it through them without a single ftf...
@dontquestionmyname5490
@dontquestionmyname5490 4 года назад
@@supramaniac502 The gray 20 rounds mag that comes with the BRN16A1 didnt work well for me with tula ammo (always misfeed, jam, or double feed), I used graphite powder and small amount of dry lube. After that, for the first time, I was able to dump all 20 rounds of steel ammo without malfunction.
@nathanhileman3848
@nathanhileman3848 3 года назад
I now feel inadequate because I do not have an extra extractor just laying around. 🙁
@dalesmyth7398
@dalesmyth7398 3 года назад
I was in the same boat. I finally ordered 3 field replacement kits, I think I got them from Classic. Had the extractor in the kits, plus spring.
@xolostangelsgaming2566
@xolostangelsgaming2566 4 года назад
Noooo it RUINS your gun DESTROYS it!! Dont buy it all leave it for me ;)
@johnnyr9122
@johnnyr9122 4 года назад
Noooo now everyone is going to buy up all the steel ammo now too 😂
@Cardbordboxonfire
@Cardbordboxonfire 4 года назад
dave c I think it was meant to be a *too
@Hopeofmen
@Hopeofmen 4 года назад
Noooooooo
@johnnyr9122
@johnnyr9122 4 года назад
dave c yup I meant too, sorry forgot this was RU-vid and people have to check spelling and grammar for every single fucking thing 🤦🏻‍♂️
@killerinst1ncz308
@killerinst1ncz308 4 года назад
Incorrect...there won’t be any steel cased ammo left soon
@pubeline1
@pubeline1 3 года назад
I’ve shot a lot of steel cased 9mm glock 17 gen 5 and I’ve never ever had any problems
@deathlis
@deathlis 4 года назад
LONG LIVE TULA! AND MY SAVINGS!
@MyGuy42069
@MyGuy42069 3 года назад
Don't forget wolf!
@chrisrogers4242
@chrisrogers4242 3 года назад
its not the case you need to worry about, its the bimetal jacket
@markdice6361
@markdice6361 3 года назад
Tula 223 will not run at all in my AR. Why?
@chrisrogers4242
@chrisrogers4242 3 года назад
@@markdice6361 because steel case ammo is over spec for alot of .223 chambers. I've seen steel case .223 jam bolt action Guns not just ar15s. Still to good quality brass case copper jacked ammo.
@EggplantHarmesan
@EggplantHarmesan 3 года назад
@@chrisrogers4242 Wolf makes copper jacket for a dollar extra on a box of 20
@unbrokenbrony5618
@unbrokenbrony5618 4 года назад
Short Answer: No Long Answer: No
@supfoo3638
@supfoo3638 3 года назад
Haven’t run steel through my AR but my mini 14 loves it
@darkstreamfish2729
@darkstreamfish2729 3 года назад
Ah, just the comment I was looking for. I own a mini14 myself. It's the only 223 rifle I own. How's the gun holding up; any problems?
@chrishollar6080
@chrishollar6080 3 года назад
Love my mini14 rancher. Love it
@preppingturtle9402
@preppingturtle9402 3 года назад
My mini 14 eats thur the steel ammo and wants more. So i feed it as much as possible. With no problems. Got to love the mini 14
@Gottaculat
@Gottaculat 4 года назад
It blows my mind when AR-15 owners don't clean their rifle right away after coming home from the range. It's so dang easy to clean; you don't have to do a deep clean every time, and field stripping an AR-15 is kindergarten-simple. Run a bore snake through with solvent and oil, and wipe down your BCG. A little carbon never hurt anything, and you can do a deep clean every 5 or 10 trips to the range to play it safe. Takes like 3 minutes, 5 minutes tops to do a basic cleaning. Maybe half an hour or so for a deep clean. I'm pretty sure my pistol target ammo is corrosive, but I have no corrosion despite the pistol being all steel and was made in 1992. Just clean your damn weapon, man.
@BLUELEADER78
@BLUELEADER78 4 года назад
I wish it only took 30 minutes for a deep cleaning. Stupid Marine Corps making me super detail oriented.
@holovoid_
@holovoid_ 4 года назад
Clean after every trip to range? *laughs in Kalashnikov*
@Gottaculat
@Gottaculat 4 года назад
@@holovoid_ Keep your AK clean and properly sighted, and suddenly your accuracy won't be so shameful. Dirty guns don't perform as well as well maintained guns. Just a fact; can't defy material science or physics, no matter how much Vodka and lore you throw at the AK. :)
@holovoid_
@holovoid_ 4 года назад
@@Gottaculat I'm just joshing. I have a PCC AK and clean it pretty regularly. Its pretty much a tack driver for what I need it for.
@Rotorflyr
@Rotorflyr 4 года назад
@@Gottaculat Vodka (especially the cheap stuff) does an excellent job at cleaning out the barrel as well as cleaning off the bolt - and makes the AK smell more Kalashnikovy!
@alanhigh8125
@alanhigh8125 4 года назад
I run brass because it's not as hard on my extractors, and it tends to run cleaner. If you choose to run steel, that's fine too. To each his own.
@bruceschmidt758
@bruceschmidt758 3 года назад
Broke my extracter
@alexrogerson1337
@alexrogerson1337 3 года назад
If I shoot steel, the cost savings on one box allows me to buy two new extractors.
@mpkid5
@mpkid5 3 года назад
@@Clipz4Reelz always hearing but never experiencing lol. if an extractor breaks its because of shitty pot metal castings they use like century arms AKs. buy real guns and you wont have an issue
@gavinthroop2839
@gavinthroop2839 3 года назад
It sucks because steel is literally the only thing I can find for my 6.5 grendel AR
@fiveowaf454
@fiveowaf454 2 года назад
@@Clipz4Reelz I'm not sure I entirely buy into the idea of the extractor wear/damage. Unless the case is requiring more energy to removed from the chamber, what is the difference? With the 7.62x39 round with it's fully tapered cartridge, I don't see there being any issue, which is probably why AK's and SKS eat the steel ammo with no problems. 5.56/45 - 223 in comparison has a straight walled case, so perhaps with more fouling from the ammo, the extraction does become more difficult over time, so that's where the issue arises. With the AR action if you are using a dirty type of ammo in the first place, you soon end up with a dirty gun period, which could also add to problems of wear over time. I only run steel in 7.62x39, more by accident, than design because the AR ammo was always cheap and available in brass cases, obviously of late that has changed some, so if I see a great deal on some steel cased I would give it a try.
@jimtheedcguy4313
@jimtheedcguy4313 3 года назад
It's all I run in my akm. Guerillas have been running it for years with good results, and with shot out barrels at that.
@brejaimecastillo8851
@brejaimecastillo8851 3 года назад
Well said. Haha
@chevyvet69
@chevyvet69 4 года назад
The AKM platform was designed to Run steel case that's all they used in the Soviet Union
@ChachinAKAChino
@ChachinAKAChino 4 года назад
Shhhhh 🤫 don't give away our secrets
@csu3088
@csu3088 4 года назад
Right got to keep it affordable lol
@Hothenrik
@Hothenrik 2 года назад
I can't shoot steel cased ammo in my AR's without clogging and feeding issues. Like my AR pistol chambered in 7.62x39. I took it out, brand new and clean, and ran about 20 rounds of steel cased ammo and started having issues! But my AK's can shoot that steel cased stuff all day with no fails whatsoever. The guy at the local gun shop told me that steel cased ammo is dirtier and will flake off, requiring very frequent cleaning of the chamber and bore in an AR. I ran some brass through that AR and it was just fine. Same way with my 223. I had to take it in to have the empty steel case removed from the barrel! So that is my belief, based solely on my experience and what I was told shortly afterward. Steel cased ammo is not so great in an AR. But in an AK, heck yeah.
@Dan_Danger_Brown
@Dan_Danger_Brown 4 года назад
"If it can't shoot the steel, it doesn't deserve the brass." He said the think! A fellow follower of AK Jesus!
@picklesauce3781
@picklesauce3781 3 года назад
Jesusnikov
@AString95
@AString95 4 года назад
My favorite is steel ammo with copper jackets.
@alexglenn2122
@alexglenn2122 4 года назад
The Wolf black and yellow box is the sauce. Better powder, copper jackets, but steel casing. Saves money but doesn't do any extra wear.
@TheDoorspook11c
@TheDoorspook11c 4 года назад
Mine is hornady match steel. Same cases, lol. 223, 5.45, and 7.62x39 hornady is king.
@flame06171984
@flame06171984 4 года назад
@@TheDoorspook11c I'm still trying to find 5.45 upper or barrel
@jeffpv.
@jeffpv. 4 года назад
@@flame06171984 Got the barrel and everything else except the BCG, and Stripped upper. These back orders are driving me nuts!
@tatsuhirosatou5513
@tatsuhirosatou5513 4 года назад
@Aniquin eh it take soo much to wear a barrel out and when it finally happens I've saved enough money on ammo to absorb the $100-150 for a new barrel.
@greenmonkey7305
@greenmonkey7305 2 года назад
For well over a decade now and even during the pandemic with these long lines of individuals waiting to get ammo at Academy, I would walk right in the store grab all the steel case ammo I could grab and walk out with everyone uttered the words “but that’s going to damage your gun” or while they walked away emptyless of ammo simply because they did not find brass. People in the public do what they do because they don’t know any better regardless of what it is. I specifically remember buying 31,000 rounds of 7.62 x 39 gold tiger ammo in about 2002 or so for $.04 cents around. It had to be loaded on a pallet and sat in the back of my truck. All of our A.R. 15‘s are 7.62 platform out here on our land as well as having a case. I bought this ammo because it’s the messy scarce and is what’s least popular and with over 212,000 rounds (last I counted) I’m not the one complaining about not having any ammo. Moral of the story, quit being picky.l and making up excuses. No different with all my steel case 9 mm.
@xGSFxGoat
@xGSFxGoat 4 года назад
If it's Soviet, it'll use steel cases. They're designed to run on steel-cased ammunition. Only surplus ammo is corrosive, any ammo made today including steel-cased with berdan primers will make sure to declare it loudly on the box as NON-CORROSIVE. Corrosive doesn't mean it will dissolve your gun as you shoot it, it means you need to clean your gun within a few hours of shooting it, especially if you're in a humid or coastal environment with lots of salt in the air.
@christopherbost1573
@christopherbost1573 4 года назад
they just have a AT-4 chilling in the background! lol
@Sandwich420
@Sandwich420 3 года назад
It's super soft steel.. I run it all the time.
@fiveowaf454
@fiveowaf454 2 года назад
Brass and Steel are generic terms for various alloys of the components included in them. Therefore they can have very different properties and still be called Brass or Steel. So yes steel can be super soft as it is in the cases used for ammunition, I'm inclined to believe the differences are far more in the mind of the user, than in the actual operation of the ammunition. Despite using steel cased ammo, it somehow doesn't seem quite right to me, but that's mostly based on preconceived ideas from years past always using brass.
@David45Abq
@David45Abq 4 года назад
I can't honestly say how many rounds of steel cased ammo I've used through the years but I did encounter my very 1st problem a couple of weeks ago. I do not blame it on the steel case ammo though. Turned out to be the buffer on my new PSA lower was not heavy enough which caused the BCG to slam violently onto the round. The extractor survived but did take a chunk out of the spent casing. A simple poke with a cleaning rod removed the damaged round with no other issues. Side note: the build is a 200.00 PSA lower with a 16" S&W sport II upper. Update 08/15/20 .. Ran another 200 rounds of steel cased ammo with no issues at all using the same rifle that had the issue last time out. I never got around to trying the different buffer weights with it either. It ran fine even with double taps.
@Brandonscoots85
@Brandonscoots85 4 года назад
That’s apparently a generally common issue with new PSA lowers. I’ve heard of the buffer pin popping out during use and getting mangled into the lower mechanisms. Seems like you already knew that and solved the problem yourself though☺️. Just wanted to second the fact that the issue had no correlation with the ammo/cartridge type👍🏻
@David45Abq
@David45Abq 4 года назад
@@Brandonscoots85 Inexpensive lowers will have issues for sure. I did order an H2 and H3 buffer which should solve the slamming issue. It ran fine for the 1st 30 rnds then the 2nd mag with double taps is when I experienced the broken case. The extractor was not damaged at all but it did take a nice chunk out of the spent round.
@romeowhiskeylima556
@romeowhiskeylima556 4 года назад
PSA+steel cased=bad range day
@David45Abq
@David45Abq 4 года назад
@Mr. Morningstar Good points thank you .. The s&w sport ii upper was used and broken in from what the person I bought it from told me, approximately 400 rounds. Although the lands and grooves looked almost new, which is why I bought it for the build. The 1st 20 rounds went without a hickup sighting it in, had very good grouping. So the 2nd mag I went into rapid fire double taps, the 9th of 20 rounds is when I encountered the stuck case. The bottom of the case had a chunk taken out of it where the extractor punched it. I actually felt it when it happened. While doing rapid fire double taps the bcg seemed to rock my stance more so than the steady fire. If I'd thought about it and used my knife or had my cleaning rod I could have cleared it at the range. Once back home the spent case popped right out. As for going with an H1 buffer, I'm almost positive that will solve the bcg slamming issue. To be honest I just now thought about checking the original buffer to see if it even has weights in it. I had bought 2 of the 200.00 psa lowers, the other one worked fine, no issues at all with it. I will try to remember to post an update after my next range visit and test of the H1 and H2 buffers. Thank you for the insight to other possible causes though, I will keep them in mind.
@tylarhaugan7908
@tylarhaugan7908 4 года назад
Right now steel cased ammo is super expensive. Glad I stocked up when it was 179$ for 1k. Right now it's cheaper to shoot my ak in 7.62x39 than any 9mm
@badhombre8383
@badhombre8383 3 года назад
If your gun won’t shoot steel your gun is garbage. Just sayin 🙄💁‍♂️
@G2niverse
@G2niverse 4 года назад
I run steel case all the time... the continual argument is accuracy and from what I've experienced, I'm getting about 1 moa at 200yds on both 7.62, .308, .223... its fine people... just shoot
@KuyaRaphi
@KuyaRaphi 4 года назад
K I gotta ask, what ammo and what brand of barrel are you getting 1 MOA
@TheDiameter
@TheDiameter 4 года назад
Kuya Raphi It get it out of Wolfs military stuff.
@TheDiameter
@TheDiameter 4 года назад
Anthony Swiss I’m saying I shoot 1 moa at 100 yards.
@deltabravolima1514
@deltabravolima1514 4 года назад
Thank you for addressing this myth. My rifle runs both types and the only difference is the ejection pattern and location where they land.
@twcaldwell1951
@twcaldwell1951 4 года назад
make sure your wife doesn't have a low cut blouse on, they don't like hot cases going down the V of their bra for some reason.
@tedr.richardson4655
@tedr.richardson4655 Год назад
Only thing I see running steel in my AR 300 Blackout is the deflector gets marks/dings in it. I've been shooting Barnaul.
@kleinerprinz99
@kleinerprinz99 3 года назад
Reminds me of the Forgotten Weapons video about the WWII MG42 and that its bolt is so hard on the cartridges that they exclusively shot steel cased ammo, so it must be stronger than brass and thus safer. To make the MG42 safer you can switch the bolt out. :) I think it also depends on manufacturing quality ofc.
@beardedwonder8864
@beardedwonder8864 4 года назад
Would you be willing to do a video on how to store classic firearm wooden cases? Example the wooden case for a 25-3. Thanks!
@pkennedy0219
@pkennedy0219 4 года назад
It’s like anything else wood... humidity bad, rapid temp changes bad, fire 🔥... BAAAAAAAD FIRE BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD
@tomthumb2057
@tomthumb2057 4 года назад
In the end learn to service, maintain, and fix your weapons.
@DarthBrandybuck
@DarthBrandybuck 3 года назад
The fact that people are stingy enough about ammo in a time like this is baffling
@zacsdiyreptiles7146
@zacsdiyreptiles7146 3 года назад
Not really
@beybladesinmyheels1267
@beybladesinmyheels1267 3 года назад
When I was in the Nam fighting off cannibal commies with my bare hands as they bit off chunks of flesh while I was being sucked up into an alien space ship via hyper beam I was still having a quality talk with my friend over what ammo is better at what and their uses. Of course I had to hold in his guts as he bled out due to artillery fire while we were storming pill boxes on D-Day but thats a given when you serve your country.
@Sch1z0gam1ng
@Sch1z0gam1ng 2 года назад
@@beybladesinmyheels1267 lmao
@ConcernedCitizen1957
@ConcernedCitizen1957 4 года назад
"Cigarette" Old school. Man's man.
@boomstick4054
@boomstick4054 4 года назад
Mark’s Man, to be exact...
@norman6694
@norman6694 4 года назад
Cancer man
@ConcernedCitizen1957
@ConcernedCitizen1957 4 года назад
@@norman6694 Not all smokers die of cancer.
@TheAequitas0
@TheAequitas0 4 года назад
toshiba mike2 Fast food kills faster than tobacco.
@norman6694
@norman6694 4 года назад
@@TheAequitas0 so we can safely say that both of them are harmful.
@dyzastrus5450
@dyzastrus5450 4 года назад
The extractor issue is the only issue I’ve ever heard/gave credence to. Sounds like it is a true statement.
@jerome620
@jerome620 3 года назад
The only issue I ever had running steel was increased friction on the steel magazine feeders with Lancer mags, which resulted in jamming. No issue with PMAG. I prefer the Lancer mags, so I stick with brass. No issues.
@JohnMurse
@JohnMurse 2 года назад
Lancer mags are overrated
@arsinist7663
@arsinist7663 4 года назад
I never heard of steel case damaging the chamber or barrel. I heard they damaged the extractors.
@asdfg2560
@asdfg2560 4 года назад
That’s a nice rocket launcher you guys have
@michaelhowell8489
@michaelhowell8489 3 года назад
It causes more wear on your extractor but other than that, it's functional if not reloadable. Not a problem for a stepper.👁👁✌🖖🇺🇸
@nanomachines2985
@nanomachines2985 4 года назад
i for one appreciate the straight forward answer at the beginning of the video
@sterlingdaugherty6199
@sterlingdaugherty6199 4 года назад
Thanks guys! I’m an old AK guy that brought the use of steel with me to all my guns. Even my MPX. And it runs great on steel and aluminum.
@merylpelosi8485
@merylpelosi8485 8 месяцев назад
OMG!!! In the last 35 years, I've fired over 7,000 of the cheapest, crummiest, smelliest steel cased rounds through my 1954 SKS, and the only degradation I see is the eyesight of the shooter. I'll start blaming my poor accuracy on that now. Thanks for the tip. Keep up the good content.
@jamesheraty8457
@jamesheraty8457 3 года назад
These guys: “you won’t put your gun through that.” Me: *Dumps 600 rounds rapid fire specifically to torture test my AR* *Turns inside of receiver grey* 😂
@GuberShep
@GuberShep 4 года назад
The only (non)-issue I see with steel case ammo is leaving a mark on the brass deflector. Oh well. Edit: Now make me some steel case subsonic .300 blk
@ericg7183
@ericg7183 4 года назад
@Anthony Swiss I know, right? That's like having a pickup truck, and no scratches or dings inside the bed. It just ain't natural!
@SOBIsHobbies
@SOBIsHobbies 3 года назад
Thanks for the video. I must say some ARs still have issues when running a steel case ammo. For instance, my IWI Zion-15 had three malfunctions while shooting just one magazine when I was running Tula Ammo .223 Remington 55 grain. And same goes with my PSA AR-10 with Tula Ammo .308. While I personally have no reservations to run a steel case on basically any of my AR rifles, but I still think it's better to run brass on ARs for reliability purposes. Simply because the platform wasn't meant to run steel case ammunition. Meanwhile, my AKs (Zastava ZPAP M70, WASR-10, Galil ACE) never had a single malfunctions or even an issue of any sort when running a steel case ammo. In fact, I never ran anything else but a steel case with them. I personally never experienced any malfunction with my AK platforms, I honestly don't even know if they malfunction at all. I love my ARs, but when it comes to home defense or any personal defense type of situations I wouldn't want to count on my ARs. It'll either be one of my AKs or my 12ga Mossberg. Thanks for the video.
@ohboy2592
@ohboy2592 2 года назад
Check your feed ramps. Probably not machined up exactly or you could have a small burr.
@Omnipotent_Vsemogushchiy
@Omnipotent_Vsemogushchiy 2 года назад
My Ruger AR 556 has never had a single issue with steel casings the whole time I've had it. That surprised me quite a bit being that it's sold as a budget AR but it's run great the whole time I've had it
@Belial69699
@Belial69699 2 года назад
I have a Ruger MPR AR15 and I'm glad to hear you say that about steel ammo. I wondered if it would handle steel okay or not because I have heard stories about AR's not firing steel well.
@helixx92
@helixx92 2 года назад
only steel ammo ive seen cause problems was tula that would occasionally stick in the chamber in an AR and needed and cleaning rod to get it out cause the extractor would rip the case rim. also some magazines dont like steel case.
@usernamesrlamo
@usernamesrlamo 2 года назад
I have a lowly Radical AR that eats every kind of steel I can find. Never a hiccup. Cheap AR and cheap steel case is about the only affordable way to shoot nowadays.
@andyd2960
@andyd2960 4 года назад
From my experience with coated steel rounds it seemed like it would run fine until you got it hot and let it cool with a round in the chamber. It didn't seem to happen all the time but it certainly did happen for me.
@nunyabussiness4054
@nunyabussiness4054 4 года назад
This has happened to me also. Took me awhile to figure out what happened but that coating melting then being allowed to cool sitting in the chamber was like hot gluing the case in the chamber.
@andyd2960
@andyd2960 4 года назад
@@nunyabussiness4054 yup. I had one hell of a time trying to get one stuck case out. A friend of mine said that he puts his steel case ammo in an ammo can and seals it up with a shot of starting fluid. Supposedly it does something to the coating
@Mr.DMZ.
@Mr.DMZ. 4 года назад
Quick answer is no. Long answer, watch the video
@AkronKid330
@AkronKid330 3 года назад
😂
@davidnichols1568
@davidnichols1568 Год назад
The Steel case is softer than the steel guns are made of. Yes!
@zh3401
@zh3401 4 года назад
I shoot steel in my AR and Sig P226 without issues. Qualified on the FBI (new) short range pistol course this year with the Winchester steel, no issues.
@TheDiameter
@TheDiameter 4 года назад
Steel not made in Russia... disgusting.
@jonboy9734
@jonboy9734 4 года назад
Tyrone Koumoundouros so the work they do for sex trafficking, and kiddy diddlers are unconstitutional? I think you mean the ATF buddy.
@terrysnyder3599
@terrysnyder3599 4 года назад
@Tyrone Koumoundouros Tyrone posted this 3 days ago. You still with us Tyrone?
@jonboy9734
@jonboy9734 4 года назад
Tyrone Koumoundouros you know that shits popping , you jamming to it yourself
@jonboy9734
@jonboy9734 4 года назад
Tyrone Koumoundouros yea that works, come on through
@hilgorgruppenschaaft2203
@hilgorgruppenschaaft2203 4 года назад
Some countries, like Russia, run steel cased ammo almost exclusively on their military firearms and have been doing so since forever. I think if steel cased ammo caused any real problems in autoloaders then world superpower militaries wouldn't be using it.
@maxie00001
@maxie00001 4 года назад
almost for 100 years, since 1930th, it is an expensive process to setup, but when in place, allows manufacturing very cheap ammo. One difference, all Russian barrels are chrome-lined, here is it a rarety for AR platform.
@ShellShock794
@ShellShock794 4 года назад
Yeah but Russia is also using the AK platform which would probably run diamond cased ammo given the chance. Weapon choice is the most important factor regarding ammo choice.
@hilgorgruppenschaaft2203
@hilgorgruppenschaaft2203 4 года назад
@@ShellShock794 Drivel. Plenty of non AK type rifles shoot steel case just fine, that's literally what this video is about. And plenty of Russian non-AK guns do it too lmao. Russia uses steel case not bEcAuSe DeY cHoOt AkS gUiS but because their geographical location is low on the natural resources (copper, tin) for things like brass while also being rich in iron which is the primary component of steel. It is literally dirt cheap and wholly abundant to them. This is also one reason as to why they use bimetal jacketing.
@randomperson-fr8ig
@randomperson-fr8ig 4 года назад
@Hilgor Gruppenschaaft huge country doesn't have enough natural resources? this is absolutly ridiculous. did you come up with it by yourself? the real answer on this question is more simple. it's all about price/perfomance. why would you overpay for brass to squize a little benifit out of it if steel working fine enough?
@randomperson-fr8ig
@randomperson-fr8ig 4 года назад
@Hilgor Gruppenschaaft I’m totally okay if somebody correct me or point something out. but dude, what’s the reason with going that much far with all that rudeness??? just for a second, I'm from russia and my current work connected with copper wires and brass details. i wouldn't say that there's some sort of big deficite of such materials. is here less such resources than in some other countries? maybe. but not that much to even bothering with it.
@jackmehoff2363
@jackmehoff2363 3 года назад
The current climate we are in, is proof that your gun should be able to run both. Because it proves that you may not be able to get ahold of the good stuff.
@rapache1
@rapache1 4 года назад
THIS IS GREAT INFORMATION LOVE THE SMITH BUSTERS SERIES
@denrizza
@denrizza 4 года назад
I actually like the zinc plated steel cased ammo. Runs like smooth brass, though not as soft.
@TRENDewyZ
@TRENDewyZ 3 года назад
I had almost instant problems with “red army” .223. 1 mag into it, gun started jamming. Whatever the steel is coated with was coming off in flakes and building up in the chamber. At that point the bullets weren’t going deep enough for the bolt to lock. Call it 30 bullets. I can’t be asked to clean my gun between mag dumps. Not saying all steel does this, but you can’t say universally that it isn’t an issue.
@iwasadeum
@iwasadeum 2 года назад
SOME steel cased ammo is also lacquered to prevent corrosion/rusting. No big deal in older guns/guns with much looser tolerances That's probably what you experienced. Most steel cased ammo is not lacquered.
@Balisong-jh7zs
@Balisong-jh7zs 4 года назад
The question is where can we buy these steel case ammo now. Ill take both any day.
@Balisong-jh7zs
@Balisong-jh7zs 4 года назад
@Fretboard Burner You maybe right but its not too late for me to stock ammo.As of today i already got 1200 rounds of 223/556 and closed to thousand round of 9mm and i keeping an eye on my local shop if they have stocks.
@PaNDaSNiP3R
@PaNDaSNiP3R 2 года назад
This is a democrat ploy to pit us all against each other
@NotTheBomb
@NotTheBomb 4 года назад
If it can’t shoot steel! It doesn’t deserve brass!!!
@Skittlezz45
@Skittlezz45 4 года назад
@@sirdelatopher more like 87 vs 94 octane, but sure 🤪. Diesel vs. Gas would be like comparing .308 vs. 5.56
@vivillager
@vivillager 4 года назад
@@sirdelatopher, HA! My truck is a Detroit Diesel with mechanical injectors, indirect injection, pre-emissions, and diesel is a doggy treat for being a good boy. Mostly I feed it discarded oil.
@johnprice5890
@johnprice5890 4 года назад
ok boomer
@davidbane8292
@davidbane8292 4 года назад
I bought 10 cases of wolf steel when it was still cheap. I have 3 boxes left of it and have yet to have an issue with it, and it’s grouping better than the federal ammo can stuff
@2postofficemike
@2postofficemike 3 года назад
My UPS Driver looks at me funny when he lugs those 27 lb boxes of ammo that says 1000 rounds 9 mm Luger on it. I panicked when my local range told me the price of box of 50 9mm was $45.00 plus sales tax. He said "just wait until they start putting a service charge to buy it".
@rodeoclownobama5796
@rodeoclownobama5796 2 года назад
I ran thousands of steel cased ammo through my sks , I beat the sht out of that cheap poc,gun never jammed NEVER,never misfired,NEVER , back then they were 100 bucks, and ammo was dirt cheap, I feel sorry for you kids today, this comment is for SKS only. please do not think I'm comparing this to other guns
@NorthwoodsShooter
@NorthwoodsShooter 4 года назад
No thank you. I’ll pay more to shoot brass and avoid unnecessary wear on my extractors and other issues.
@ChucksSEADnDEAD
@ChucksSEADnDEAD 4 года назад
You should have wear items as spares with you anyway even if you're shooting brass, and the money savings more than cover for the difference.
@pjm204
@pjm204 4 года назад
With the cost savings, you can purchase a new barrel, new extractor, new bolt every couple cases. To each their own, I guess.
@jonathansmith7306
@jonathansmith7306 4 года назад
@@pjm204 ok, but now your gun is out of commission while you have parts on order and get it repaired
@pjm204
@pjm204 4 года назад
@@jonathansmith7306 I mean it's not since I have spares on hand but also I've never worn any parts out to failure.
@scottcampbell2836
@scottcampbell2836 4 года назад
@@jonathansmith7306 get it repaired? Every owner should at a minimum be able to disassemble a bcg and replace his own parts. Field expedient get a bolt and check its headspace and use as a spare. If extractor breaks then swap in new bolt. No tools needed. No small bag of parts needed.
@totenkopfan6296
@totenkopfan6296 4 года назад
Another myth is that steel cased ammo can't be realoded, and this is way more widespread
@CalebSavant
@CalebSavant 4 года назад
Yes!
@FastSloW-qt8xf
@FastSloW-qt8xf 4 года назад
Have you reloaded it. Its a pain in the ass. And if you use a little single stage handpress like me quite a workout
@troystutsman1400
@troystutsman1400 4 года назад
Fast4SloW 717 Get steel case that’s not berdan primed...
@jimrogers1500
@jimrogers1500 Год назад
I have to comment because I just had huge issues with Wolf Steel Case 223 in my AR. I don't think anything in the video is incorrect, but I'd stress the importance of cleaning your chamber/barrel very well with brushes between changing from steel to brass. I had less than 200 round through when I had horrible jams. Found that my brass cased 5.56 would not just drop into the chamber. I literally had to push it in the chamber with force. That was obviously causing my jam. In researching I found that, as mentioned in the vid, the steel doesn't expand as much, leaving a dirty chamber. This caused issues when switching to brass. I'd like to go back to testing the steel again, but because I live in a commie state, my AR is a fixed mag, and I just don't want to worry about jams as they are harder to clear.
@wawazaza1785
@wawazaza1785 4 года назад
Just a casual at4 in the background
@brownells
@brownells 4 года назад
Shhhhhhhhh
@airbomb34
@airbomb34 4 года назад
Best episode yet. Caleb just dropped some serious truths for consumers especially the bit about saving a bunch of money on ammo. You are the real MVP, Caleb! AK guys already knew this secret, but companies are catching on it seems. I run steel in all my firearms without issue from my vector to my rifles.
@DinoNucci
@DinoNucci 4 года назад
Except it's completely wrong
@DinoNucci
@DinoNucci 4 года назад
@Marino Correct
@reptileguy8458
@reptileguy8458 3 года назад
My local gun shop has .223 steel case ammo 20rds for $7.99....No one is purchasing it!!! Maybe I should....
@csu3088
@csu3088 4 года назад
Using corrosive ammo you need to wash it with hot soapy water for the best results or cool water works too then dry then oil it
@andrewtucker7990
@andrewtucker7990 4 года назад
Makes sense.
@altergreenhorn
@altergreenhorn 4 года назад
New for me as former yugo soldier, we just clean Yugo AK (M 70) with the cloth and oil and the rifle was fine but then again we clean that thing almost every day. I never tought that AK is so resiliant to the dirt back in time. Nobody told as that just clean that rifle again and again
@LuvBorderCollies
@LuvBorderCollies 4 года назад
@@altergreenhorn Good point. The US Army shot corrosive ammo for 50-60 years and just used a solvent for bore cleaning and an oil to prevent rust. I've shot lots of corrosive in 8mm Mauser. Just squirt some soapy water down the bore at the range, then run oil through the bore when I get home. I have run into problems with Romanian Mausers with rusted bores but most military rifles were cleaned good enough.
@tatsuhirosatou5513
@tatsuhirosatou5513 4 года назад
Rem oil seems to do the trick for me.
@altergreenhorn
@altergreenhorn 4 года назад
@@LuvBorderColliesHave no idea what guns have been imported into the US even yugo Ak could be rusted if imported after 1991 when war started in yugoslavia and you got a lot of militia guys or weekend hobby warriors with attitude I don't care if the rifle is clean.
@bwana3006
@bwana3006 4 года назад
I bought some at a sports store just to have ammo And figured you know in an emergency situation what would it matter now I feel much better and I’m gonna go back and see if I can get a pili of it
@Daniel-vs8lw
@Daniel-vs8lw 4 года назад
In an emergency is when you should have the most reliable set up possible. That is the time you need functionality and not a failure to fire.
@friendlyfire01
@friendlyfire01 4 года назад
@@Daniel-vs8lw in another sense, if you can afford 2000 steel rounds and fire 1000 without malfunction, you're good to go with the other 1000. If you can only purchase 1000 steel to practice with and 100-200 defense rounds, you won't be firing the defense rounds enough to be absolutely sure of their reliability in your weapon. Also weapons need to acclimitize to new ammunition. This effect is obvious with calibers like .22lr, usually just presents as random inaccuracy until acclimitized. May not matter for general self defense, the accuracy, but it's a consideration.
@Bobdixon_Moonvarga_Dancer_III
@Bobdixon_Moonvarga_Dancer_III 4 года назад
A pili? Are you from somewhere else?
@o1mtbiker
@o1mtbiker 4 года назад
Daniel Swope only once have I had a steel case jam up one of my ar’s. And that was a failure to eject. Once in 10,000 plus rounds. I would say it’s pretty reliable and functional.
@chumps7974
@chumps7974 4 года назад
That was my rationale too. I have some steel I have some brass.
@buffalobmf
@buffalobmf 3 года назад
I got about 8000 rounds of steel through one AR and about 5000 of steel through a AR9 got 2000rounds through a beretta and 10,000 rounds through a old glock 23….Everythings fine. I dont see the point of shooting the more expensive ammo when youre just out shooting for fun
@josephhemmer7916
@josephhemmer7916 4 года назад
Thank you for an excellent video. Steel cased in a revolver can be very hard to extract.
@DLN-ix6vf
@DLN-ix6vf 3 года назад
I like your videos guys ; they're generally a good length and you get to the point plus you never talk over each other. Thanks again !
@jonathandavis346
@jonathandavis346 3 года назад
I have 1000rds of green tip. 250rds ballistic tips, and like 5000rds of monarch steel case. I absolutely love Steel case and almost exclusively run it
@craigstephen3216
@craigstephen3216 4 года назад
Heck I have reloaded steel cases in .45 for my 1911. Just to see if I could and it worked. But that was a one time experiment.
@id-10-terror7
@id-10-terror7 2 года назад
I'm pretty sure you had problems
@thetobaccoguy1751
@thetobaccoguy1751 3 года назад
The other issue is power. I have chrono'd steel in many calibers, and especially rifle loads are extremely under powered. .223 for example is running like 500 fps slower than other bulk brass options. The steel does not handle pressures as well as brass, thus cheap imported "sporting" steel is intentionally loaded soft to avoid split cases.
@chizzelfingers
@chizzelfingers 2 года назад
wrong,absolute fkn lie. ppl like u are the liberal crybabies of the gin community
@Deetroiter
@Deetroiter 3 года назад
I’m convinced many firing ranges are guilty of the steel case myth because they take your brass shells and recycle them for money. They also take your brass shells then reload them and sell them back you at the range. That’s why many places say you can’t collect your brass, even right next to your foot in your own stall. Pretty sickening business practice With that said, just use what you can get your hands on. It’s a tool, not a Louvre museum art piece. And If an extractor needs to be replaced, then just replace it. Don’t be cheap
@michaeldriggers7681
@michaeldriggers7681 4 года назад
So the moral of the story is "clean your gun!"
@eggr1ce374
@eggr1ce374 3 года назад
Thank you for this! Got 10 boxes of steel cased 9mm today. Good to know it won’t hurt my Walther 😄
@davidbladen5667
@davidbladen5667 3 года назад
It is not a myth that coated steel cases will not lock up the chamber. I tried breaking in my AR with Wolf coated steel cases and the polymer coating essentially melted when fired causing an instant jam. The second round that I fired locked up the bolt and case and the only way that I could clear the case caused malfunction was to disassemble the rifle and drive a rod down the muzzle end of the barrel and hammer the rod to break the case loose. Never again!!!
@carlbieler9039
@carlbieler9039 3 года назад
I have had 2 fail to ejects out of my sig 400 AR that I have owned since 2012 and both times it was shooting steel case ammo, just saying...
@Hogrider177
@Hogrider177 3 года назад
I've had one FTE in my M&P on a cold day with lacquer coated steel cased ammo.
@robertd4468
@robertd4468 3 года назад
See my post on this. Same issue. It was so stuck in the chamber, it was a bear to get it out
@warrenlilly2091
@warrenlilly2091 3 года назад
@@robertd4468 some of us might be fortunate enough to have enough land that you might leave your AR loaded for a couple of days leave a steel case in a hot chamber you'll not get it out!!!🤠
@notsosilentmajority1
@notsosilentmajority1 4 года назад
The steel makes it easy to use my extendable magnet when cleaning up casings at the range.
@001deathstar
@001deathstar 4 года назад
I still can't find one of those new brass magnets.
@notsosilentmajority1
@notsosilentmajority1 4 года назад
@@001deathstar I think we are all waiting for one of those, lol. The older we get, the more we wish they were available.
@001deathstar
@001deathstar 4 года назад
@@notsosilentmajority1 I was at the rifle ranger and there was a group of younger members shooting. I went through the used ammo containers and picked out all of the casings. I then went to the shooting stands and the perimeter of the range picking i casings with one of the wand magnets. One of the guys asked what I was doing and I replied I was picking up the place since not everybody police their spent ammo. The magnet picks up the steel casings which makes it easy to collect. I as a joke told them that I was looking for one of those new brass magnets. So the young men pulled out their "smart phones" and started to search for them on ebay and other websites. They found goose eggs, but said they would buy one if they found one and donate it to the club. They also said they would pick up their casings. I told them they were good guys and I was glad that the club got them as new members. I was telling the truth about that though, we need more younger members and shooters out there. Especially ones that take core of the club since it is their club.
@notsosilentmajority1
@notsosilentmajority1 4 года назад
@@001deathstar Lol, that really is a great story. Well done. Yes, you're right, we need a lot of new, responsible gun owners and hunters. The support would be great. I hope you're not around when those guys find their "brass magnets". Best wishes. 👍🏼
@flower2289
@flower2289 3 года назад
@@001deathstar They are available. The ones I've found have been on the same shelf as the muffler bearings. Don't give up.
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