Snap-On: Most Expensive Die Grinder Ever vs M12 & Makita 

Hey guys can you test the new dewalt cutoff tool? My buddy has that and the m12 one and complains his m12 stop all the time compared to his dewalt that he says powers through it, thanks.

@@caleblea8630 Here you go: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FN1FYejWuOg.html It slaps

Hey guys,my guess on the size of the makita die grinders is it looks a lot like if you took the head off their 4-1/2 grinder and put a die grinder head on

Good to hear you guys like the Ryobi so much. I pondered it various times but thought one day I'd buy the M12; but after watching different reviews and videos, it seems the Milwaukee is not that great and the Ryobi is a star. DTO just had a 40% off sale this wkend--$84 USD, so I didn't pass it up this time--seems like a great tool for the money!

If you want expensive die grinders, I have an NSK ESPERT 500T which blows your toys out of the water, price wise. It'll put out 200 watts and 50k rpm

That’s the same thing I did, and still do every time I see a battery replacement for things like chainsaws, and other gas operated around the house tools that we have. Like, seriously 400-500 bucks for a leaf blower with batteries? Why idk.

What was Snap-on reaction to your laugh?

@@Android_Warrior he said "...yeah.... They ARE a little pricey..."

@@scrapmetal_sleepers 🤣😂

@@dallynsr Well first I think you're a few years behind on your perception (admitting of course that I'm coming here a year after you said it); I just went looking at lowes and I feel like blowers are now cheaper electric, and chainsaws are very close to parity. But second and probably more importantly, the nonpecuniary factors are hugely in favor of batteries. Many people are simply conditioned by decades of habit to accept the idea of keeping mixed gasoline around, going to the station to refill it, etc. but if you were making the decision fresh, not having to do that is a big deal. My chainsaw and blower use the same 60v batteries I use on my angle grinder and recip/circular. I never have to go to the gas station and my garage doesn't have explosives in it (other than in the car, lol). Obviously the calculation is way different for a professional who's going to run the tool all day. But for weekend warriors the cordless stuff is just so much nicer to work with. My dad is 75 and got an ego chainsaw last year...told me after using it a while "I shall never again pull the cord on a small engine."

In cordless yeah its feast and famine

My thing is, that very low profile head of the snapon does give me much more access to places

You pay for a name and fanboys will pay

@@WowCreativeUsername that and the convenient warranty. Which is becoming worthless as they now sell Milwaukee on their trucks so their cordless tools are worthless. They offer the same warranty on the m18/m12s...

I’m wondering if the quality is worth it? Idk how all new tools are, but I’ve been using some of the same power tools since the late 90s, while newer tools that I’ve bought have lasted only a couple of years.

I bought a sealed head mac ratchet 15 years ago and used the hell out of it. I wish someone would make a cordless one because I hate using air ratchets after I got my first cordless one.

@@ForfeMac there’s a cordless sealed head from dewalt too.

@@Beercheesesoup What's the model number, because I can't find anything

@@ForfeMac The MAC were SP Air rebranded under an exclusivity deal. The Matco ratchets I mentioned seem to either clone or license the same head style you liked so much. Models are MCL1614SRB and MCL1638SR. DeWalt is bringing one to market with swapable anvils like the MAC pneumatic but its 20V and quite large. Again, still TBD on release date, model DCF510B and will include 1/2 and 3/8 anvils. If money werent a factor or I already had Matco batteries I'd trend more toward them. Their 3/8 stubby impact is also a nice piece of kit.

Haha I never would have thought setting out people would, instead of researching a purchase, also just enjoy seeing these things like we do

Trust me, if you had a die grinder, you’d find all sorts of uses for it!

​@@_P0tat07_i got one of the wilwaukees a few months. Can't believe i got anything done without it lol

Is it model mcm401? Is so i just got one a month ago and love it! Blows Snapons brushless away, and has more warranty.

I (ab)use mine on the regular. Strap a 9ah 20/60v flex on it and go

This is a video on 1 handed die grinders. Use your ears dude.

Absolutely 😊

This one is awesome but so is Project Farm.

id say closer to top 5 and thats only because theres only a handful out there worth mentioning. this guy doesnt even know the dewalt die grinder available is 1/4" considering he didnt test it because he thinks dewalt doesnt make a cordless 1/4" die grinder 😂

@@KableTac Watch 1:44 or read pinned comment.

Yeah maybe watch the video/understand the testing premise before throwing shade

bd is owned by Stanley so it will not happen

SnapOn makes a lot of money. They’re not going anywhere.

I can say I love my Green Brand tools. They are more than adequate for my purposes of racing at my local dirt track. Just, whatever you do, DON'T buy their cordless ratchets. They seem a little weak in the durability department.

I’m a J man electrician and I would seriously consider buying ryobi if I was just getting into the trade. The last couple years their stuff has become very good.

if it's anything like the 14.4V polisher it's going to be built like shit. And SO doesn't even want to offer an industry standard 3-5 year warranty for this stuff either. They're a big L as far as cordless power tools go. Plus their battery platform tool selection sucks a fat one too.

I own both replacing my air die grinders. I do have 7 batteries though.

Ridgid makes a cut off cheap wonder if that would take a grinding wheel

I doubt those motors could sustain high load for extended times though. They are only meant to have high load for a few seconds, simular to a starter motor

@@jmanlinc Light load for them is still 3-4 times higher than what these tools are producing, and they will sustain those insane loads as long as the battery holds out as long as they aren't overheated.

@@jmanlinc a 10 mins race is not high load for a few seconds. A modern brushless rc motor is Nothing like a started motor.

They are all plenty powerful enough to spin 1/4" bits these take

​@@TorqueTestChannel We'll watch the video though, mate. We need to know for ya know, brand dick length comparison.

The cost of warranty and running a tool truck are built into the prices. It’s also overpriced too

@@chainarmor448 I get the feeling a lot of their products are made overseas. So there's that.

They're a publicly traded company whose stock price has been VERY healthy, so yeah they're jacking the prices up and making bank. They have not only brand recognition but a lot of really sweet government contracts. They also use the high price of their tools and the 'industry standard' nature of their product to drive mechanics into debt with them, where they make their real money on interest. Simply building best-in-class tools isn't going to grow your profits forever, but being a lender with really bad rates might. I really wonder how long this business model is going to work for them, because it doesn't seem infinitely sustainable. Mechanic's wages are super low on average, and many of the younger ones I've met have no problem buying Harbor Freight these days, but there are still many brand loyalists that refuse to buy anything other than Snap-On, no matter the cost.

I have both of the M12 die grinders and I find the straight is really handy for cutting hoses and whatnot that's hard to get too in machinery I really wish they wouldn't shut off all the time tho

@@Noelle0009 I agree, that shut off is very annoying. My 90° doesn't do it if I'm just using buffing or sanding pads, but it does it alot with a 2" or 3" cutting disc. Also does it often with the 3" wire wheels but some of them are kinda heavy. I still like it alot, as of now it's the only thing like it for size and battery powered. I still use air tools for longer jobs.

it's got to be a sizable performance jump as for example the M12 6Ah XC pack comes with Samsung 30Q cells with only 15A discharge rate. OTOH, the M12 5Ah XC H.O pack comes with Samsung 25S cells with 25A discharge rate so it translates to much better power delivery, at least on paper. My guess is the 5Ah battery would allow for about 200W peak on the dyno

I have the makita, definetly chunky but we've tried the large milwaukee and its just too big for our uses, boat building and general fab. The makita is nice because you can comfortably hold it with one hand and use a 1/2"x 1" aluminum cutter without it jumping around on you.

@@BlakeMcBain Nice. 👍

A very interesting thought. It seems like several tools--router, Dremel, Roto-zip, die grinder--are all similar in what they do. They all spin a bit/attachment at relatively high RPM. The typical Dremel/rotary tool is not going to have the torque for larger stuff like this but a router can probably sub in for a die-grinder. It'd be cool if some manufacturer made a high RPM "multi-tool" where you could switch attachments for things like a router to a die grinder, sander, cut-off, etc. I mean if lower RPM multi-tools are so popular, why not a high RPM multi-function?

Do those have a clutch for when the resistance gets too high. Most of these have a clutch so the stops aren't so abrupt. Without that it would be like old cordless drills that would snap the wrists of any unsuspecting user

@@nickdecker2350 I'm pretty sure they're all direct drive so it could get a little squirrelly if you got too aggressive.

Model # is MCM401 It does real good with 2 and 3in. sanding discs.

1000 weekly payment of $15.00 and your trade in.

Pretty simple really my tools make my paychecks. U pay for the service just as much so as the tool. I ended up with a good snap on guy so I buy a lot from him. I have a few friends with crappy snap on guys and good Mac or Marco guys so they buy them instead of snap on. It’s all expensive but worth it if u have a good dealer standing behind it.

yeah i have a big black and decker die grinder it is too big for fine work the right angle milwaukee is great with adjustable speed range and a 3 inch cutting wheel it is better than my 4 1/2 in cutoff wheels never seems to wear out

Performance is still relevant though because sometimes there's just places that the big boys can't fit, so you gotta use the next best tool that will fit. Both the Ryobi & Makita are packing a lot of power, while the Milwaukees are extremely compact for their output. Also, it's nice to be able to get away with using a smaller, lighter tool sometimes when you have a lot of arm/hand fatigue hitting you at the end of the day LOL.

came here to say the same thing. i have an OG blue ryobi 18v and a newer green ryobi 18v version (way less heavy duty than the blue one). i think i paid 20bucks for the green one at directTools outlet. these things are basically just a giant brushed motor and ¼" chuck, w no speed control. i rigged up a DIY PWM speed control for them many years ago to use them as grinders/rotary tools after growing tired of burning out dremels. ( at that time there were no battery die grinders on the market. )

@@GannDolph Ive had both as well. You are correct, just a on off switch. Huge startup load. Bearings always wear out quickly on mine even after being careful to balance the burr in the collet.

@@barthchris1 interesting- never looked inside at the bearings. are they just using bushings? i havent used enough hours to test that i think. i now have both the M12 grinders. ergonomically great, but they cut out a lot and after using for several minutes the motor and electronics heat up a lot and some temperature sensor inside causes them to cut out under the slightest load. Will probably get the Ryobi for the heavier loads. i wish it were a little more compact like the M12 right-angle, but oh-well..

@@GannDolph They use proper ball bearings. I bought the M12 rotary tool when it first came out. I use Dremel type tools alot. Dremels cordless 12V was already introduced but I didn't like the idea of being locked into a battery which would only work with the limited tools Dremel has. Milwaukee makes nice tools so I figured it would be at least as good as Dremel, maybe better, plus they have a big line of M12 tools. I was surprised when the front bearing crapped out within weeks. I don't get my tools wet, I don't try to "clean" bearings with WD-40, lol, I don't my oil bearings, I try to always run my burrs with as little vibration as possible, in fact I'm anal about it. Retuned the M12, it was better but still started having issues a year or so later. Since then I happened to find a 12V Dremel without ia battery at a yard sale. I'm really good with batteries, built several 3 cell lion pack with good cells. Soldered a RC power connector to the Dremels battery contacts. my DIY pack friction fits nicely into the intended slot. I've had it now for several years, no bearing problems whatsoever. I think the reason is that Dremel has more reinforcement at the output bearings location. This causes less slop between the bearing and the tools body. Milwaukee may have fixed the problem but I'm really impressed with the 12V Dremel. Very smooth, powerful tool, probably just as if not more powerful than a corded version.

@@GannDolph And yeah, I've been using Ryobi since the blue days. Their first 18V 1/4" impact driver was a revelation for me. Still remember it was $69 without the battery. I tried every other big brand before them but never looked back after using that impact.

My dealer hooked me up and I got both for 450 with 2 batteries and no charger, as I already have a few. Don't use the straight much but has come in handy for carbide bits doing finesse work. Love the right angle for cleaning heads on f150 exhaust manifold jobs

Oh and I almost forgot, snap on has a flat rate repair program. I think it’s $125 per tool or thereabouts. I gave our dealer my 1/4” and 3/8” extended anvil ratchets since I they were more useful to me. After 6 weeks I asked for an eta or any kind of update, you know because I do this for a living and all, and after about week 8 he quit showing up. I haven’t seen him or my ratchets since.

That M12 right angle ergonomics is so good.

Mac is an mcm401 and dewalt is a dcg426b

If you're talking about the KDG124, this fits in the "2-handed" category like the M18.

The reason it would obviously outperform these is it's in a different category. 1:44 we're testing die grinders that could replace an air die grinder, like one handed. All the two handed telephone poles models makes more than enough umph to power 1/4" attachments, so no real reason to bench dyno them.

@@TorqueTestChannel ah I see, dont know how i missed that, I even kinda answered my own queastion....🙈

Haha no worries man!

I don't think Milwaukee would lower themselves to that level😂

Wishing the same bro, i wont be surprised if they make one though, they're releasing a lot of new and impressive tools.

We tried in the flex impact driver Ep and it wont dyno

@@TorqueTestChannel Damn!