Hans Oderfest because technology, colors, paterns, etc. Some people don't place a lot of value in their life. I'd trust myself to an ECE rated helmet because they do actual testing, even if it's not the most stringent.
lvcsslacker I agree, ECE does reliable testing and arguably the best job in testing for regular speed crash conditions, hence the preference on softer shell materials. The SHARP test is build on top the ECE test as you probably know and adds a nice layer in my opinion. Riding is killer fun, why ruining it by saving on the wrong end. That being said, riding in LA can still be a bitch ;)
Hans Oderfest same in vegas, except without the lane splitting.Do you know what the SNELL test comvers over ECE? and DOT says your helmet should pass certain tests, but you don't have to test it.
I sat the same thing to people when they come into my shop asking about motorcycle helmets. I love when new riders are keen to learn about the safety aspect of gear.
DOT standards for testing is heavily flawed and essentially garbage..... I wouldn't trust my brain bucket to a DOT standard helmet for any amount of money.... ECE and SNELL certified helmets are by far superior to DOT only crtified helmets. It's not a prestige thing or bragging rights when it comes to ones helmet certification; for me it comes down to there's no amount of money I won't spend to protect my brain and it's bone bucket.
@@plumeater1 it’s arguable, ECE uses more realistic standards of impact, snell helmets tend to be harder(not in a good way) there’s a reason why ECE is the standard in over 90% of the world. Snell has also canned standards recently to be more lenient but still uses the same sticker so there’s no way to know.
Is there similarly a video to help with knowing which jackets are safe and effective while also being functional? Would love to see some beginner guidance for hear purchases. I'd rather be safe.
The most important difference between the Snell and the ECE/DOT certification is that with the Snell standard the helmet can be tested and has to pass the test above a certain line (almost where your brain will be) made on the helmet. On every spot the helmet has to meet at least the standard values. The other 2 certifications do the test on specified places. So the manufacturer knows where the helmets will be hit and can adjust the helmet accordingly so that the helmet will pass the test (read :make it a little bit stronger at that place, the other places can be weak) What I really dislike about the ECE standard is that the penetration test on the surface of the helmet is gone since 22-05. This is a harsh test and hard to pass. Only the visor has this test now. The dot and the Snell has this test and this make the helmet tougher and stronger..
I think the Snell did tested a Modular helmet, and the modular helmet did pass the Snell test. The modular helmet is manufactured by LS2, model name is FF394 Epic Modular Helmet, it is Snell 2010 approved if not mistaken.
You guys mentioned weight (snell packing on more layers than ece) as a concern due to inertia, have you come across any study/documentation to back such an argument? From an engineering point of view it simply breaks down to how well the helmet can slow the head down (or absorb energy) from an impact, regardless of weight. Due to this I'd have to agree with snell at the moment.
+Michael Cook I think it's a crash by crash basis honestly... some impacts are need more deceleration, others need less inertia in the system. It's truly hard to say which is better.
Nice video. One question SHARP does testing of helmet at 7.5 m/s almost 28.8 km/hr, so a 5 star Sharp helmet is safe only till 30 km/hr? Also does internal sun visor compromise on absorbing energy during head on impact. I saw many helmet with internal sun visor on sharp site scoring less points & lower color code on front impact zone compared to helmet without them.
Good day. I just want to clarify something. I've heard it before and you brought it up in this video about Snell not testing modular helmets. What is the main reason for this because they test three quarter lids. I know for a fact that the old HJC AC-3 was Snell certified. I had one. I also know that the Shoei RJ-Platinum R and Arai CTZ and XC are also Snell certified. Does this mean that three quarter lids are 'safer' than modular helmets? I am a three quarter helmet guy but I think modular helmets are safer as long as the chin bar is locked in the down position. Can you shed some light on this? Thanks.
I appreciate the information and found your presentation very well done and helpful. I was wondering about the difference in protection in standard helmets vs low profile helmets?
Fantastic video with a very clear explanation of the different standards and how they compare to one another. I'm going to check out your store! The information I'd consider adding is which standard is required for track days. (I see another poster asked below, but I left the video with the same question.)
ECE does NOT have a penetration resistance test.That's why ECE only helmets sold in Europe are lighter than a similar helmet sold here in the US meeting DOT (and perhaps ECE).
I thought that all helmets must pass the DOT or ECE qualification first in order for it to be a street legal helmet. And if the Helmet company wants their helmet to take the next level of testing, SNELL steps in as the 2nd level testing. Is this correct?
I have only used Snell approved or ECE22.05 approved helmets. A DOT helmet isn't much better than the high school football helmet worn by Jack Nicholson in Easy Rider. Not pertinent here, but I also had a couple of Snell SA helmets when I used to race sports cars. They were mandatory.
thank you for the information. i just purchased ece rated helmets for karting and was getting nervous that i made a mistake. now i know i didn;t thank you
Hey guys, great explanation about those 3 type of certified helmets are. Now I fully understand and also understand why there is no Snell certificate sticker on my Schuberth modular C3 pro helmet. Thank you
Ece is the best watch fortnine’s video. I have snell arai signet x so it’s unfortunate but im not planning to crash so hopefully I won’t have to deal with it.
It would be great if someone made a test on a DOT, ECE and SHARP 5 star helmet (like the HJC IS-17) and looked at the differences. I mean a HJC helmet bought in the US with only DOT cert and a HJC bought in Europe.
I live in Japan but will be going back to the USA soon. I have a "shoei gt air-2" and is ece and dot approved. But I have no sticker, because.... Japan. The eu doesnt seem to care about sticker as long as i have a manufacturer code on the tag. Do i need a sticker in the USA? Or what do i do? I'm having trouble finding an clear answer
Only features that are included with the helmet from the manufacturer are tested/rated. Modifications to the helmet, like quick disconnects, will not void the helmets rating (there is no one to say that it's void). However, they can, in some cases, reduce the helmets ability to protect your head. If you prefer a quick disconnect chin strap to D rings, and want to know that the chin strap meets certain safety requirements, consider a helmet that has that feature from the manufacturer. (Nolan N86 for example) Thanks for your question and thanks for watching!
ECE > The max allowed G transfer and the sub-optimal random sample testings of the DOT makes the ECE a vastly better rating system in my opinion. Since SHARP is build upon ECE, I think the real question is SHARP VS SNELL, and that is just a question of how aggressive you ride, hence how fast you will end up crashing (SHARP better for regular crashes, SNELL better for high speed crashes)
Hey me and some friends are thinking of getting some nitrinos Predator helmets. Not only for biking but for off-roading as well. I would like to see a video done about these if you guy are up to it.
So the ONLY difference between SNELL and ECE is that ECE believes that less padding makes it less heavy which means less impact and SNELL believes the opposite?
ARE the dot helmets made today testing at a higher standard than when it first began? i saw some amature videos that show dot helmets to be very strong!!!!
Is it possible to paint print ece on a helmet. Because MT helmet print Dot + Ece mark. My friend said ece rating is not colour print on helmet. Can u plz ans: me?
Great video but still have a question, i live in California and i was under the impression that i have to have a helmet that is DOT approved. (not Snell or ECE) Although i have a EXO- 1000 Scorpion Helmet (Snell Approved)... a local police claimed it needed to have a DOT sticker. From what i am hearing from this video and comments is that Snell approval is better? I cannot find anything specific on the law for approval for CA. Question: Is my Snell approved helmet illegal (or doesn't meet CA requirements) ? Please help thank you.
Check my comment a few posts below in regards to the Snell rating: Snell is not better in all conditions but in some. Helmets are illegal in California if they don't have a DOT sticker despite all other testing certificates to my knowledge. I know a bunch of folks that just ordered a DOT sticker online cause they trusted an ECE Helmet more and never had a problem with the police, (it's not as if a cop ends up browsing the web for your helmet), but I don't wanna recommend breaking the law in any way. Are you sure that your helmet isn't DOT approved cause it's widely advertised as having a DOT certificate online? If you are not certain (might just miss the sticker of have a counterfeit one (they do exist!)), I'd recommend to contact the manufacturer per email/phone.
I would like to know where you can find a list of ECE or Dot approved helmets on the web? The only thing I find is the manufacture saying their helmet is ECE or DOT approved!! Or a list by some group that says which ones are approved by ECE or Dot which to me is no better than buying some off brand helmet on eBay because the seller says it is DOT or ECE approved and comes from some company in China. Last list I saw of DOT tested helmets was like in 2007.
A DOT and SNELL certified lid is always...100% of the time a better lid than DOT alone, and that's very much despite the DOT claims to the contrary. I could not care less about a vid showing mouth breathers hammering away on various lids and somehow thinking that proves anything. Shock dispersal cannot be seen/measured/examined by a series of cracks in a youtube vid. The Snell lid that seemingly cracked before a DOT lid means nothing. It's what's happening on the inside that matters. There is no coincidence that a Snell helmet is more expensive than non Snell lids, even from the same manufacturer. There is NO substitute for quality material and the R&D required to find the best means to apply said material, including the order of application. DOT used to completely acknowledge their lower standard compared to Snell, until sometime after 2001-2002. Not sure what happened, but without doing anything different, they all of a sudden distanced themselves from Snell and hilariously started claiming that a Snell lid often is no better, which I'm sure you must have seen the info they put out in support of that falsehood. Grab a DOT only and a Snell combo lid and your own common sense will inform of the higher quality after a few minutes just handling the two. But, it's everyone's life is their own...everyone is free to stand their ground and make their claims and buy what they want. Just know this...Absolutely NO road racer uses a non Snell lid on OR off the track and absolutely NONE of you will ever be faced with the high percentage possibility of head impact over your entire lifetime compared to what they face in a single season. Since they go out of their way to purposely use Snell...I think I will also.
iam going to buy a ls2 mx 436 pioneer trigger we dont have any snell standard halmet in our country my que is this that this halmet is 2 standards 1 standard is DOT FMVSS 218 and no weight written which is selling online mostly outside of our like rezvilla etc and the other 1 is ECER22-05 and which weights 1350+-50g which standard should i buy ollzz for God say help me iam so confused plzz help me out thank u
Thanks for your question. The helmet's safety rating type probably shouldn't be the deciding factor in your helmet purchase. My advice is to choose a helmet based on your head shape, to ensure proper fit. A perfectly fitting helmet will protect your head the best regardless of whether it is SNELL or ECE. Enjoy your ride!
VENTILATION! Can you wear those buckets in summer in SO FLO or SO CAL? Or do they cook your brain? Does you hair get soggy and drip sweat? No matter how safe the helmet, if it cooks you brain it's useless and you will not wear it. Great ornament for garage...
Thanks for your question. Unfortunately, it's not one that can be answered simply. It's true, helmets that are Snell or ECE certified undergo more thorough testing than DOT, and are held to a higher standard. However, I cannot say that one certification is always better than the other. There are too many factors to consider like helmet style, FIT, materials, weight, and the crash scenario. A DOT FULL FACE helmet may protect your head better than an ECE and/or Snell rated OPEN FACE, depending on the circumstances. If you're looking for the most protection, choose a full face fiber composite helmet from a premium brand that FITS your head properly. A helmet's safety rating is only beneficial if the helmet fits correctly on your head. If you have a question regarding the safety level of one helmet versus another, or would like to discuss the shapes of different helmets, we would be happy to help you choose. You can leave a comment on any video, or give us a call at 1-877-GO-HELMEt. Thanks for watching and enjoy your ride!
What's your take on MT helmets , which have dual certification from ECE and DOT ? And are sharp rated as well ! Would love to know abt this ...thank you guys !
i JUST BOUGHT A HJC MECH HUNTER AND I CANT SEEM TO BE ABLE TO WEAR IT MORE THAN 30 TO 40 MINUTES BEFORE I START TO HAVE PRESHURE POINT PAIN ON MY RIGHT TEMPLE. IS THIS BAD? SHOULD I GET SIZE LARGER? SHOULD I JUST JUST GET A DIFFERENT HELMET? THANKS IN ADVANCE.
yes! this means it's too small. go to a shop and get fitted for free and then buy one. remember you have to look at shape, size(varies by brand), then safety rating.
I actually solved the problem by taking a nap in the helmet. I don't think the shape was quite right. The nap helped shape the helmet which would happen over time anyways. Still saved my life though. #WearYourHelmet upgraded to the HiViz version of the Aria Defiant Pro Cruise. what a lovely helmet. fits a bit funny though. face guard sits maybe 3/4 to an inch from your mouth by design according to the guys at revzilla.
Hello, im about to purchase a NEKO-HELMET (CAT HELMET). Would you know if these are ECE approved? it's pricey $495, but sooo adorable. i just want to make sure its safe. thanks nikki
All helmets worn on public roads must be DOT approved and will have a sticker affixed from the factory. The Snell rating is optional. Any helmet that has the Snell rating will also be DOT approved.
DOT is fine with that, but it's also fine with 3/4 and half helmets. The issue with the modular ones is that few helmets are tested as full face helmets. IIRC there's only one brand at present of modular helmet that's tested to pass as a full face helmet.
An important difference is that the DOT does not actually test helmets. The manufacturer says it meets the standards. So the helmet says "meets DOT," not "DOT certified."
When I start watching and I hear these guys claim to be “experts,” well, that is it for me. They loose all credibility. I trust what Brain at FortNine says more than these two. Snell is a joke and they know it. If you are driving a car then fine. Snell is good enough. But I only wear either ECE or FIM helmets. DOT is worst than Snell. It seems like the DOT lives in a some fantasy land. I think that Brian from FortNine has it right when he explains Snell standards and how they added a standards (M2020R) only to be able to sell helmets in Europe. First they trashed the ECE standards saying they were unsafe and later adopted similar standards. It seems that Snell cares more about putting their certificate in every helmet possible to help their bank account, rather than saving lives. Here is a link to someone who had done his homework and actually explains the standards. And a video about the absolute joke the DOT standards are. Very good videos that if they don’t convince you of wearing ECE or FIM helmets, then nothing will. Some gave said that living in ignorance is a bliss. Smell BS: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-76yu124i3Bo.html DOT BS and how manufactures regulate themselves: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0BUyp3HX8cY.html
Thanks for your question. I have reviewed the SNELL M2015 Standard for Protective Head Gear. The only weight restrictions I can see are placed on the testing equipment used by the Snell Foundation to conduct the tests. I do not see any weight restrictions placed on the helmets themselves. Here is a link to the new 2015 Standard in case I've missed something. www.smf.org/standards/m/2015/M2015FinalFinal Thanks for watching and enjoy your ride!
***** Because I or maybe some other people feel that the Helmet that through the Snell certification has more weight than the helmet with only DOT / ECE standard.
The Snell impact testing is more aggressive than both DOT and ECE. Therefore, lower price point helmets will incur extra weight. This is because more material is needed to achieve the necessary strength to satisfy Snell impact requirements. Premium helmets, like Arai, still achieve very light weights while satisfying Snell standards because less premium material is needed to achieve the necessary impact resistance. So, it's true. Snell testing can indirectly cause a helmet to weigh more, but it is because of the high safety standard, not because of a minimum weight requirement.
Hello guys, can you tell me please the best helmet (full face) for about 200$ ? I saw that the Scorpion exo 1100 it's a very good helm but it's not SNELL approved, so i'm not so sure now about exo 1100. BTW i'm in Italy now !
Stefana Madalina Is that all your head is worth to you? $200? I would advise you save up for a quality helmet. Snell will protect you more. I highly recommend on a sport bike to use snell.
dragonaac i see that in europe it's better to buy sharp helmets because manufacturers often do not know that sharp it's testing their products. This is the difference from snell where manufacturers initiate the process by requesting that snell tests teir products. And about the 200 $ head: in this moment we can't afford to buy 2 helmets at 600-800$ and we need to buy the costumes too. I think it's to much even if we buy them separately.
Hi, Thanks for the video, I have helmet having DONT & ECE, if I wll go to track following Snell procedures, they will allow me to use their race track with my DOT & ESE helmet? Or I should buy another helmet with DOT & ECE to use their track? Or both SNELL & ECE same and allow to use on race track? Thanks
Firstly, thank you for your question. This all depends on where you live and the track regulations. To be sure, I would recommend a helmet like an Icon Airmada with a "world standard" rating (DOT, ECE, SAI, etc.), and you'll be sure to be rated for anything that comes your way! Hope this helps, and thank you for shopping at Jafrum! - Ellen
Snell is often required for racing sometimes for track days. Snell is actually way more race oriented while ECE and DOT focus on a minimum safety standard. BTW it is not uncommon that Snell helmets have worse shock absorption that non snell helmets.
Not necessarily. I have a Schuberth S2 (DOT/ECE) with internal sun visor. In frontal impact testing (the most common real-world impact according to the COST 327 study), it transmits 81g to the headform. The similarly priced Shoei RF-1200 (DOT/Snell), no sun visor, transmits 123 g in the same test, that is a 52% harder blow to the brain than the Schuberth!
Randy Keller ECE certification is not recognized in the US, you can where the helmet as long as the DOT is on the helmet as well. Of coarse if you state does not require a helmet, you could use it as well.
***** That might not be 100% true. Here in Texas it is not required to wear a helmet. If you are wearing a helmet it must be a DOT approved helmet. I have seen people getting ticketed for this.
safer to strap it on head but can also cause big injury like decapitation it should release at a certain force. l just saw a vid on theync about it a tire came loose from a car and hit his head. tf
One thing I can say about Snell is they have a list of the helmets they test. After spending a lot of time goggling for a list of ECE tested helmets I found 0!!! Same for the DOT list!! Snell list is on their website and they will reply to any questions that you have about a Snell tested helmet so if you see a Snell label you can check it to see if it is a fake. Go on eBay and see the fake stickers even saw a all in one DOT ECE Snell sticker from a European seller. And don't say if it is on eBay it is junk several of the major manufactures and even online companies sell over stock and discontinued stuff on eBay some may use their real name others do not!! Companies such as Dennis Kirk and Rocky Mountain ATV?MC to name a couple.
Why list ECE helmets if under that regulation every production batch is tested before shipment. Every helmet you see in European shop has gone through it. all info is on the strap label - certification coutry, certificate number, type of certification www.mccofnsw.org.au/images/1496387809_EULabel.jpg And no one gives a fuck about snell in Europe.
Many helmets have both ECE and DOT. Certifications for each helmet should be listed in the description section for each item. AGV AX9 Helmet - Solid | 20% ($99.99) Off! - RevZilla www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/agv-ax-9-helmet-solid?gclid=Cj0KCQjws_r0BRCwARIsAMxfDRhjJHr8nRnZvLMN0b14-Nn7Uph2-Irag6NDZTYpFfSHqZqhqJNgITcaAnYnEALw_wcB
Not likely, no. The ECE and Snell have different ideas about what it takes to make a helmet safe. Also, these ratings translate to price to the consumer. There isn't enough value created in attempting to satisfy both ECE and Snell to justify the cost.
The ECE is the most stringent which is s pain, for instance the ECE will not pass the cool looking U.S. cop style lids which is mind boggling to me cos after all surely the cops know how to precure safe lids, but they just don't pass, in Europe we have to have longer side protection so the open facs lids look like your on a scooter. I love all the Seer company open face helmets, but they don't pass I europe.
I'm a college student and i'm thinking of getting a 50cc (Laugh all you want, i get 100+ miles to the gallon and can replace a motor for $50 and insurance is around $100 per year MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA), what price is good for around 30 to 40mph crashes? Or since i'm the most likely to be hit should I look for something stronger?
A helmet's impact absorption is not measured by assigning a speed value, and is not always measurable by price. Helmets of different styles, from different brands, can very hugely in cost, so rather than figuring out a safety/dollar ratio, it's better to select a helmet based on fit and materials. An inexpensive helmet that fits you properly will protect your head better than a high end, ill fitting one. Look at the materials as well. A helmet constructed of a fiberglass composite will absorb energy, as opposed to an ABS or polycarbonate helmet that will reflect it. Fiberglass offers a higher level of safety, but is only good for one impact, so you have to take care of it. Hope this helps!
***** Thank you. Thought I thought the people testing them would pay closer attention to the physics since there are variables involved, it seems to be a differential equation(it depends).
Some helmet manufacturers are taking inertia and impact severity into account and incorporating multiple densities of EPS into their helmets. The lower density foam is usually closer to your head, and the denser foam is closer to the shell. This will offer some increased shock absorption at lower speeds, but it is impossible to tell at exactly what speed the EPS will perform optimally because the weight of the rider's head is not a constant.
Nope, that's the word that gets used on basically every site I've seen helmets advertised on. It's been a word in the dictionary for decades, even if somewhat obscure.
Thank you for your replying and I'm not trying to be a d*ck but other sites that use fitment are also incorrect and while it is correct that the word is in the dictionary; if you check the word origin and usage you'll find it is British and means "a fixed item of furniture or piece of equipment, especially in a house." (Webster and The Oxford Dictionary as source) Again thank you for replying.
Thank you for your question. Please follow this link to view Snell 2015 standards : www.smf.org/standards/m/2015/M2015FinalFinal . Thank you for shopping at Jafrum!
Thank for the link. I just remember last time I looked up DOT they were tested at 13.9 MPH. I am not a huge helmet fan. Simply because the testing in my opinion is old and well out of date. Seat belts/air bags are tested all the time and helmet testing just seems to be the same old test. Anyway thank you for the video and the information. Well done.
Awesome ! What a nice explanation. Guys what about AS/NZS 1698 ? Australia is trying to enforce all manufacturers to use their standards to be able to be used in Australia. So what they are pretending is that they believe they have better standards. But when i check the helmets, they are mostly useless. Can you shed some light on this aussie madness ? I walked around for five aussie biker gear stores and i could not find any helmet to use. I'm so terrified that they don't even measure your head, they don't even know what they are selling what are the helmets properties etc. They are indeed trying to sell ridiculously cheap looking, low quality, sickly manufactured, unknown brands that i have never heard about before by advertising that they comply with australian standards with an "of course" overpriced tag !
+Kris Deagle wish stores in Melbourne was like the one you work. I bought a schuberth, measured my head according to the manufacturers guide. Works like charm and all my friends just feel in love with it :) 4 of them bought same brand from overseas. No more bullshit since they accept ece :)
+Kris Deagle Yep checked everything about it before buying it. Its vital to seriously measure everything according to guide. Trying is the best way, you're right. Having a snug fit and buying the right dimension is the most important thing for it to work. I finished buying things for the bike for now. But later if i need, i will check it. Thanks
