Theres 7, one of the 7 is ice breaker, ice breaker destroyed another and looted it for parts, the other 2 crashed into eachother, the movie train crashed, and the only ones left are ice breaker, show train, and big alice train. And the reason why the lady doesnt wanna slow the train is because she has heard about ice breaker and how its basically a raider train, and the show train is on the same track as ice breaker, while the big alice train is alone on another track, and the only way the lady could have known about ice breaker is that there are comms between every train.
I personally like the series Snowpiercer a lot more than the one from the film. It's very big, fast, daunting, longer, and looks perfect for an "ark" that is supposed to save humanity from the freeze. And since, it seems the earth's freeze in the series is way way more hazardous than in the film.
In the film its just "Oh yeah its cold" In the show the freeze is literally like space Hole? Everything Freezes Hell they even need Spacesuit like Suits to go outside
I also love the series train more than the film, i like because all the things you already listed but it also shows more life as a train, engineers working day and night in the engine with the engine having an actual cab filled with high tech controls and equipment, instead of the movie one where it stops everyone dies, the train in the series can decouple/couple, start, stop, reverse etc etc, and the series also shows there's way way more tracks than just one track that loops, the movie one looks like it was a mere standard gauge train, meanwhile the series one is MASSIVE as tall as apartments and because of the lengthened gauge and how heavy they are they're less likely to derail, gives it a presence of strength
Something that this comment and it's replies seems to forget is that canonically, in the series, the earth is warming. This could explain how the cold is still a threat but also significantly less deadly in the movie. This also matches up with the timelines of both the movie and the show. The movie is set 17 years after the freeze, and the series is set 7 years after the freeze. The series itself says the climate data they captured proves the earth could possibly be warm enough for life outside the train within their lifetimes. And the movie shows how it has gotten warmer, but still not very habitable. So yeah, and based on everything else shown in this actual video, it's perfectly *possible* that these are two separate trains that exist the same universe. Bottom line is we simply don't know yet, but it's very cool to know it's a possibility.
I think that its possible the Wilford on the supply train could be his brother, or even cousin. We also know that "Snowpeircer" is not the name of a train, but the name of a class of trains, it says this in the wiki. Of course they refer to the train as this because they think they are the last Snowpeircer train, and again its probable that the only two are the supply train and the luxury train. The train in the movie looks a lot like the supply train and could be another prototype model. I think that perhaps the real Wilford made one of the prototype trains into his personal Snowpeircer, leaving the supply and luxury to Melanie. Edit: I am reading the Terminus Comic and it is confirmed there are 10 snowpiercer class trains, and Yona appears in said comic elaborating that she and Tim were the only survivors of a avalanche that destroyed their train.
As much as the two trains theory is nice and all, I don’t think the show is supposed to be set in the same timeline as the film, because it’s an adaptation of it and the graphic novels. Even if the film’s director had some involvement in the show. Not necessarily a prequel.
Fanon says that all "snowpocalypse train"(La/trainsperierge(comics), snowpiercer(movie) & snowpiercer(series) stories are on the same world, there's just a lot of trains and dudes named wilford.
Season 2 of the TV show was filmed in late 2019 as the pandemic started and delayed almost a year, which is why we saw it broadcast in 2021. Season 3 is scheduled to start filming late 2021 for a 2022 release.
Low budget and lazy writing???? I think the series is amazing and every episode has me wanting more. Would you honestly want a longer drawn out version of the movie in which you already know what's more or less going to happen? I much rather this in which they just go with their own story occasionally drawing on the movie or graphic novels for slight source materials.
For me you really had to shut off your brain in some moments of the show. There are many questionable aspects that happen in the writing that can be frustrating but that doesn’t stop it from being entertaining.
17:00 He’s not mocking minister masons hand movements, they’re actually both repeating the same hand movement the children are doing in the engine. Not a big deal, but still super creepy!!
The theory isn't so crazy: In the graphic novels "Le transperceneige" the "Snowpiecer" was a standard size train like the one in the movie. But the second train, the "Icebreaker" was a lot bigger just like the series one. And they existed at the same time.
Great, great video, watched this 3 times now and you got basically everything right (Just thought I'd mention, they do refer to the show train as Snowpiercer in episode 2, about 5 minutes in during a monologue)
ummm have you watched fargo fargo tv series is a continuation from the original movie not a remake the tv series suitcase money from steve buscemi he dropped it after the family found the money so yeah there are other trains
Luxury/supply trains are not the only types of trains, there’s also a class of Icebreaker trains which clear the rails of debris and snow for the other trains.
Melanie Cavill Designed SnowPiercer and Big Alice, Wilford was the leader and “CEO” of the Wilford Industries company. By the way, Big Alice is the Spare Train. I love the trains.
Melanie left Wilfort to die, she wasn't put in charge. And Wilfort's train has 20 cars not more. This is said by Melanie in the last episode I think. Big Alice is the prototype and Snowpiercer is the finished version not the oposite. I watched just 1:23. Edit: now I see the video was made before the final of the season.
@@RrRr-wj4xv it’s 40 cars but either way, Melanie confirms that Big Alice is a prototype supply train and Snowpiercer is the finished version, so the movie and show aren’t connected imo
I just recently watched it and I'm not gonna lie, at this point my mind has been blown away to the point where I believe it will all tie into the movie perfectly. It's like this show has an exact plan for the train and how it's gonna end up. And yes I'm calling the train a character at this point. Mind blown by this show.
I'd say this theory is confirmed by the maps. Its possible that that both engines share a track at different points. Thus keeping them clear for each other and timing themselves apart.------ (Spoilers)----- Perhaps when the the show engine abandoned Mr Charlie Wilford Bucket, he ran to his alternate engine in Europe and clambered onto the movie engine. ----- If there are multiple snowpiercer arcs leaveing from different countries and supply engine Alice i bet there are others on different rotations all over with different supplies.
I’d love to see a remake of this video tying up everything we now know about the show! For example, the movie’s Snowpiercer might be another version Wilford made but never used, so someone took control of it and at some point in Season 3 or 4 he takes back control of it and becomes the unemotional, selfless dictator he is in the movie due to the hard lessons he’s learned in the series
I highly doubt it, first of all this Wilford and the Wilford in the film are way too different to be the same person, the engine is apparently eternal in the film but it’s not eternal in the show, and their are way too many differences between the show and film in general that prevents them from being connected in that way imo
The tail end are definitely the villains of the movie and show. They all mocked the trains creation then when they turn out to be wrong they riot and break onto the train taking the people who actually paid and believe in the train supplies. The tail Enders should have been killed from the beginning, they are 💯 the villains
There was always two Charlie’s and therefore explains how one can be on the train and present the whole time and the other is on a different train the first season.
The Graphic Novels that the movie and Show are based off of, mention, in Book 3 “Terminus” the final book, they tell everyone that in the beginning their were 10 Snowpiercers.
I’m pretty sure it’s an adaptation just like how the Harry Potter movies are adaptation from the books but in this case it’s an adaptation of a movie in a TV show.
The movie is the true adaptation, a true ending to the events in the comics. The TV is a side-story set in a different universe from the books and movie.
*spoilers* I think we’re having something like Star Trek discovery, we’re questioning how they’re going to maintain cannon. At the time of writing, a second train has stopped snowpiercer. So, we can assume that Wilfred survived, its possible that while there are different track routes, odds are that they also have various tracks if they’re not making certain stops, thus shortening the revolution time. Buts that’s also a theory
Maybe the movie train is on a different track, but the tv train is on the same track as the Icebreaker. In the third graphic novel it says there are 10 trains, so that could account for the show train, the movie train, Icebreaker, and the original Snowpiercer from the first graphic novel. The third graphic novel mentions that several of the trains got destroyed and takes place after the show and the movie. This would account for the end of the movie and wherever the show takes the train. We just have to assume that at some point Mr.Wilford has been on multiple trains if he does actually appear in the show.
I'm just going to challenge some of your thoughts - neither the film nor the series portrays the characters presented I the original source graphic novels (Prolof , Belleau, and Colonel Krimson. Instead, Bong Joon-ho has taken creative inspiration for the overall concept and we do see some parallels in the series and film stories and characters. As we are now up to episode 8, Melanie Claims to have killed Mr. Wilford and left him trackside but I still think he is in the drawers but Melanie has to keep this from Ruth or she would demand he is reanimated. However, going from the graphic novels which do feature the ice breaker leaves room for a second train. On IMDB we already have the casting for Series 2 where Sean Bean is credited as playing Mr. Wilford in every episode alongside the characters we already know - so series 2 is either set before series 1 basing off 'The Prequel' graphic novels which is before the freeze and the snowpiercer departure or the timeline continues and Wilford is in the drawers or a recluse on the train.
I have not found the first two comics at any of my local bookstore but I did locate Terminus a few days ago. It is confirmed that there are 10 snowpeircer class trains and that the one in the movie crashed during a avalanche and that Tim and Yona found a group of survivors from multiple other trains that stopped working.
perhaps it is like we are Hearing the story told long after it was all said and done.. Like Ivanhoe (He was really a guy.. but rarely will two stories of his life matchup very well.
Gotta appreciate the nods to the Charlie Bucket/Wilford theory. The multi train theory makes sense as you've shown but head canon and I guess in the future of this vid we know, there's redundancies with extra engines
I think that maybe kronole when it was an issue on the movie train they were telling showpiercer about it and maybe the person on showpiercer who was told perhaps someone like osweiler was in charge of communications that day and then recreated it from what he heard hence why it wasn’t perfect as he may have just known some of the chemicals that are combined into the hallucinogen
Mr Wilford was revealed to be alive and well and in control of Big Alice, the prototype train that predates Snowpeircer and docks and takes control of Snowpeircer. Sean Bean portrays Mr Wilford in the television series and Ed Harris portrays him in the movie. The movie and television show completely different continuities.
I think this is possible for two big reasons. The first is that the track for the movie Snowpiercer and the series Snowpiercer are different. The movie one never goes through Australia while the series one does. Second is that for The movie Snowpiercer to take one year to cover 438000 km would mean it would have to constantly travel at about 49 Kilometers per hour, or about 31 miles per hour. That's rather slow for a train and what is shown in the movie. That's also besides the fact that in the graphic novels there were other trains as well and that it canonized the movie into it's world.
Looking at the picture at the end of the video, it’s clear that the SnowPiercer on the left is an older version, possibly the latest one Wilford showed off before the freeze. It’s much more like an actual locomotive up at the front, and is designed with features intended to ensure it’s survival. The one on the right could possibly be a version that was almost not completed in time before the freeze hit. It’s lack of a cab could indicate that Wilford intended to include an Artificial Intelligence on the train, possibly to regulate the stability of the train and it’s speed against necessary power generation. And the lack of an “under-tunnel” could indicate more advanced robotics used to maintain the rest of the train. The speed regulation could explain why the movie train goes around the world once a year while the show version has to do almost three times that. I think the Movie version of the train barely being completed also explains why it could barely stay on the track at times, as it probably was rushed and didn’t have it’s stabilizing gyroscopes or something.
The movie train and the series train must run on different tracks anyway since the movie train is quite a bit wider and therefore needs a wider tracks. That's also the reason why the series train has the lower maintainance deck. It's so big that all cars have atleast 2.5 decks.
So it's highly likely that there'd be more trains because theres no way that the train could get around the track Even though the train has a massive snow plow and is going over 100MPH will be derailed as the snow would have built up over time
Another fact that supports the 2 trains theory is the fact that in the graphic novels, there are 2 trains; Snowpiercer and Icebreaker which is basically snowpiercer 2.
2:41 maybe a name as the leader is just code for the train to know the leader. So, all the different trains could have key positions with the same name from train to train. Explains different characters with the same name. Removing the arm is just a ritual they do.
@Jeremiah Graciàs It aged perfectly fine. Just because there is a 2nd train in the finale does not mean the movie and the series are even related. I have not read anything that has suggested they are even in the same "universe". If you have read something that says otherwise, then please share.
In the 3rd snowpeircer graphic novel Terminus there are confirmed to have been 10 snowpeircer class trains. Do not continue if you do not wish for the graphic novel to be spoiled for you. . . . . . 7 of the snowpeircer class trains ended up in this large central train hub where all their survivors thrive. It was said that there were 3 trains missing, which is convenient since thats the added ammount of trains in the show and movie. Later in the book we meet Yona and Timmy who came from the only snowpeircer train to have confirmed to crash, that leaves us with 2 trains, which those 2 trains could very well be the ones in the show.
*Spoilers for the show!!* After watching the whole show, it’s obvious that the show is a reboot of some kind, Mr Wilford is alive and well and he doesn’t have siblings, he’s a single child, this was confirmed when the old lady talking to Bess told her about how she’d always take Wilford around to parks and stuff like that, if he had a brother than why wasn’t this brother mentioned by the old lady? And their aren’t two trains in the show, the Big Alice is actually just an experimental supply train that’s only 40 cars long, this was stated by Melanie and is seen on the blueprints during the intro, so yeah, the movie and the show aren’t related in any way other than the fact that they are two separate adaptations of a book
It's amazing how much he got right but even so, I think they're supposed to be their own things that stand on their own. I could be wrong but I think the intent was a reimaging rather than an extension of the existing universe. I'd be really curious for a follow-up video.
i wanna know why they have to keep moving or did i miss the reason. Wouldn't it be better to stay still on the equator somewhere and use the engine to power expansion of your living space?
I'd be interested to see a follow up video on this having now seen the first ten episodes of the show. Personally I'm of the 'business minded' here. What happened was Parasite became such a global hit and director-guy's other work was plundered. Some exec somewhere saw potential in Snowpiercer because heck there's a lot you can do with it (Snowpiercer itself an almost copy of a book series called [translated from French] The Ice Company. Scientists freeze the Earth trying to combat global warming and people now live in domed cities and the giant trains that connect them). An exec wanted to reimagine an existing concept because there are fewer legal challenges. If they were related anyone involved in the creation of the film could put their hand up saying "hey that part of the film was my idea give me a royalty cut". Although it depends when the show began. I heard it was stuck in pre-production for a long time. If it's from before Parasite then chances are it's a work of love not commercial viability, and so more likely to have more attention paid to the story. BUT ALSO given how different the drawers are I'm still saying no they're not connected :)
@@thetwotrainstheory8895 Hey Two Trains I am reading the comic Terminus and I would recomend you read it too because it has so much plot info, there were 10 trains in total and it is confirmed that the movie train was one of them.
All these loopholes can be tied up by "Big Alice" taking charge of Snowpiercer and getting rid or moving 2nd class/night car and importing things like cows over as well as changing the administration moving new characters from Big Alice to Snowpiercer vice versa.
i think the mr wilford from the movie train is an imposter and was one of the tailies or from the lower section that revolted and took over as in the movie, he mentioned like it was a common cycle when kurtis arrived in the first car. He said he expected Kurtis, then offering him the gig for marching to the first car. In the show, Melanie described Wilford as someone who wanted to live as long as he could with hookers and booze, etc. This sounds like someone who wouldn't want someone else to take their place. Though in the movie, Claude may have been (if it is Mr Wilford)'s personal hooker lol
After watching S1 & the movie I’ve come to this conclusion: The movie is the first Snowpiecer & the Show is the second train. They both have different tracks & boarded at completely different locations. I have a feeling like there may be a call back to the movie but since the movie one blew up & the only known and shown survivors were the boy and the addicts daughter, we may get to see them, but all we’ll probably see of the movie is the collapsed train wreck. Since in the Show trailer for the second season they did say that global warming is coming to an end that may give room for one of the survivors to board.
They aren’t connected they’re different adaptations and there are no known survivors that was a polar bear they only eat meat and they will hunt down anything since they’re usually hungry they look friendly, but that’s until they see you
we didn’t see these characters because it’s a different movie all together, not about the same people, only season one has a similar concept to the movie, the other seasons aren’t anything like the movie at all.
I'd say that the tv show leans more towards the graphic novel, which is given away by the way the engine is designed. Both in the show and novels, the Snowpiercer's engine is a boxy thing with a slanted front and a control room towards the top. The length is also the same, as the film version had 60 sections, whilst the tv version has 1,001, same as the book.
Looking back there are many things that make the theory wrong even before Shawn Bean Wilford appeared 1) the movie train doesnt seem to have a radio onboard 2)the track in the movie doesnt have detours if the two trains were running on the same track the movie track would have detours that connects different ends of the track together
Wilford likely only has 20 years to live max. In both the show and movie he looks like he is in his 60's maybe even 70's. So he didn't have much time left to live so he wants to spend that time in luxury so it's possible he built multiple trains just in case.
if you had read the comics you will know there is 10 trains i think the one that boarded at the end of season 1 is the one from the movie but i dont want it to be i dont want them to connect the tv show to the movie because then we know how everything has to end. it will end just how everything was at the start with people being left in the tail.
I think that the movie trains and the show train have nothing to do with each other, though its possible that the show train could find the station in the second season. I havent done a in-depth of Terminus but the train that they escape on at the end has similar architecture to the show train.
I know I'm quite late to this, but I'd still like to share my two cents. I personally never believed in the two trains theory, and just accepted that they were just two different cannons for one main reason. Not because Mr. Wilford showed up at the end of season one, but of track gauge. In the movie, judging by the width of the cars and the quote explaining how Mr. Wilford wanted to connect all the railways around the world into one, makes me believe that the movie train is running on standard gauge (4'8.5"). This would make sense as most of the countries Snowpiercer runs through do run on standard gauge, such as North America, Europe, and the northern tip of Africa. Other countries the train travels through, such as the former Soviet Union territories, Finland, and Pakistan all run on a broader gauge of track. So, it wouldn't be farfetched to assume Mr. Wilford would just build a dual gauge track running through places like the Trans Siberian Railway. Would save allot on cost. The remaining countries, such as Columbia, Brazil, and central Africa either have no track or run on a narrower gauge of track. Which would make sense as to why Wilford's train doesn't spend much time in those countries. In the show, it's quite evident that the train is running on a much broader gauge of track. My best guesstimate would be around 3m gauge (9'10") judging by the width of the cars (which has been stated to be 12ft). Either way, to sum it up, it wouldn't make to me for Mr. Wilford to design two separate trains to run on two separate gauge of track that run across two different routes with little interception.
