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So I Tried X-Plane 12 for the First Time... 

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@AaronRheins.
@AaronRheins. Месяц назад
Which sim do you want me to try next?
@JJBluegamer
@JJBluegamer Месяц назад
They're both on Roblox but can you please play Pilot Training Flight Simulator or Project Flight?
@barncheese359
@barncheese359 Месяц назад
PTFS to see how bad it is
@757fanwhateversaw
@757fanwhateversaw Месяц назад
You should do infinite flight
@Hiiiiiiiii-o1e
@Hiiiiiiiii-o1e Месяц назад
War thunder 😂
@Hiiiiiiiii-o1e
@Hiiiiiiiii-o1e Месяц назад
Or Simpleplanes
@Kollektivtrafikensutsikter
@Kollektivtrafikensutsikter Месяц назад
2:20 You can go into settings and adjust your maximum FOV, that way you can zoom out a lot more
@RATTMAN
@RATTMAN Месяц назад
For replay mode wait 10-15 full seconds. Usually that will prevent it from crashing. It's been bugged since day 1 though.
@Kimgfisher2020
@Kimgfisher2020 27 дней назад
I don’t have any problems with replay mode… (but I heard some other people also have)
@paulwblair
@paulwblair 26 дней назад
Replay crashes seem to be fixed with the new 12.1. Previously I had quite a few crashes.
@Kimgfisher2020
@Kimgfisher2020 26 дней назад
For me works perfectly in 12.0 and 12.1 (always different 🤣)
@Inerturn
@Inerturn Месяц назад
“X-Plane doesn’t have a lot of mods” yeah no there more mods for X-Plane then MSFS
@burgadahz17
@burgadahz17 Месяц назад
Today most third party companies have switched to msfs.
@elliottb8704
@elliottb8704 Месяц назад
@@burgadahz17 Doesn’t change that fact. In a couple years, sure, but for now there are more for Xplane
@burgadahz17
@burgadahz17 Месяц назад
​@@elliottb8704 It makes sense knowing that all xplane 11 addons are compatible with 12. But this will change in the future with msfs2020 and 2024
@ImJustPlayingRn
@ImJustPlayingRn Месяц назад
*than msfs
@FinalLightNL
@FinalLightNL Месяц назад
not anymore, msfs has WAAAAAY more addons.
@F-18Super
@F-18Super 28 дней назад
Biggest thing I’ve noticed besides the flight models, is that X-plane is FAR more detailed in aircraft and scenery than MSF. Sure it’ll have actual bing maps data but xplane having actually detailed landmarks will always be a win vs random lumpy building #23
@METALFACEDOOMXXXX
@METALFACEDOOMXXXX 16 дней назад
The whole world 🌎 beats some detailed landmark mfs wins
@F-18Super
@F-18Super 16 дней назад
@@METALFACEDOOMXXXX the entire world of low poly incorrectly placed buildings* I play mostly play MSF2020 but I’ve gotta admit, accurately positioned airfields and landmarks is much more important than flashy colors. Perhaps I’m biased bc I did ground school on xplane 11.
@bing_crilling8981
@bing_crilling8981 13 дней назад
@@F-18Super to be fair when it comes to a flight simulator, you're going to be too high up for the buildings to actually matter much. like sure, up close they're cursed, but like flying over them like most of the time they just kinda look like buildings. having this for the entire world is just always gonna be better than handmade specific landmarks.
@Squawk4714
@Squawk4714 2 дня назад
@@METALFACEDOOMXXXXyou have it all wrong my guy it had satellite data that means if you turn your buildings up to ultra, all buildings in the world will be there semi accurately
@RobDavison
@RobDavison 16 дней назад
While MSFS wipes the floor overall graphically, I actually slightly prefer X-Plane 12's colours. It's kind of hard to explain, but I find that MSFS seems to have this artificial warmth to it that looks a bit yellow, like faint yellow haze. Other than that though, MSFS looks miles better overall.
@Kimgfisher2020
@Kimgfisher2020 27 дней назад
1:31 You can improve ground textures with addons such as airport environment (im pretty sure it works in xplane 12)
@CalebVirgen-xh5oh
@CalebVirgen-xh5oh Месяц назад
Xplane 12 has the best physics out of all simulators
@RubanViyapuritey
@RubanViyapuritey 29 дней назад
Ok? like we didint hear him say that at the start?
@rascallygoose4926
@rascallygoose4926 27 дней назад
@@RubanViyapuritey 9:32
@Nimbusz
@Nimbusz 19 дней назад
DCS?
@jb894
@jb894 18 дней назад
@@CalebVirgen-xh5oh if you say so!
@Infinite-INF
@Infinite-INF 17 дней назад
Live DCS reaction Also you said ALL simulators not just plane ones soo.. Live BeamNG reaction :
@lenynaise
@lenynaise Месяц назад
Just so you know there is a different external view mode which feels less weird
@someone3.2007
@someone3.2007 Месяц назад
4:35 = 9/10 landing. Perfect touchdown zone and did not float. You should get a Private Pilot License for the SR22 in the future lol
@DerekWiedenheft
@DerekWiedenheft Месяц назад
They cost a million dollars lol
@JuanoctavioUATCvolaris
@JuanoctavioUATCvolaris Месяц назад
I love ur video Aaron Rheins when I saw the MD-80 since in the 1990s
@FlightWGamer
@FlightWGamer Месяц назад
You should get fly with lua and get an addon the makes the cockpit brighter. It is all free
@Maymin_Animations00
@Maymin_Animations00 Месяц назад
btw you can do failures (there are more failures than i can count)
@kingcelaya1
@kingcelaya1 14 дней назад
Xplane is not about the graphics...it is about experimentation and hyper realism. You can fly on mars, fly in orbit, fly helps or fixed wing, build rocket cars...when you rip off a wing in xplane, you ride it to the ground. I have even had piston engines separate from plane in flight.
@user-zz2qc9gw4i
@user-zz2qc9gw4i Месяц назад
Aaron when you want to use replay after a flight that is longer that 10-15 minutes use the fast rewind as it doesn't break it
@lorenwhite7457
@lorenwhite7457 Месяц назад
5:54 WHO saw those two PIAGGIOs?
@NEXUS_EDM
@NEXUS_EDM 22 дня назад
X-Plane 12 night not be as nice as the MFS graphics wise, but It Is lightyears more realistic!
@Squawk4714
@Squawk4714 2 дня назад
You cant make such a claim. Both simulators need payware aircraft for them to remotely feel realistic. For example real airbus captains have said that the fenix A320 handles exactly like the real aircraft or the PMDG 737-8. For xplane it is the zibo 737 and the toliss a320
@rudyrobertson1540
@rudyrobertson1540 Месяц назад
I will say this. X plane at night is unmatched. Honestly it looks amazing
@gaminEditz
@gaminEditz Месяц назад
I love your vids nvr played x-plane before looks fun tho
@sammilburn445
@sammilburn445 Месяц назад
fairly sure you can change the fov, or at least you can in x plane 11, in the settings. and the md83 i believe was an x plane 10 model, hence the textures looking not the best
@velocityxeditz1028
@velocityxeditz1028 Месяц назад
You know it’s a good day when you early to an Aaron Rheins vid
@JoshuaLescarretSailing
@JoshuaLescarretSailing Месяц назад
bro didn't try the water physics and all the failures and there are so many good mods, hoping to see a part 2
@lactoese
@lactoese 22 дня назад
A lot of the default planes are imports from xp10 like the md80. X-Plane is best once you install some good freeware plugins and Addons.
@CalebVirgen-xh5oh
@CalebVirgen-xh5oh Месяц назад
15:08 IM DYING 😭 WHY IS IT SO FUNNY 😭
@zephyrkhambatta
@zephyrkhambatta Месяц назад
we're taking an air canada flight in a few days so this makes me feel more secure. better than watching all the news videos about recent flights around the world LOLOLOL. Thanks for 12:12 onwards.
@boeingaviationsofficial
@boeingaviationsofficial Месяц назад
love ur videos❤
@Bve542
@Bve542 Месяц назад
There are Eng and wing sparks works best at night time
@mohammedalahmed2275
@mohammedalahmed2275 19 дней назад
What flight simulator controls u used for this video?
@elixygaming
@elixygaming Месяц назад
In order for X-Plane 12 to compare graphics wise to MSFS you need mods like SimHeaven (roads and trees), VisualXP (better lighting, shaders, and clouds), and AutoOrtho (satellite image textures). All of these pair well together to make it look very nice :)
@gabrielmare_288
@gabrielmare_288 Месяц назад
Agreed. X-Plane comes alive when mods like that are installed.
@BlackPhantom_II
@BlackPhantom_II Месяц назад
@@gabrielmare_288 true
@Lucxx.AV_
@Lucxx.AV_ Месяц назад
Nice video Aaron!
@ThatAviation
@ThatAviation Месяц назад
Now try ptfs 🗿
@Potatoincanada201
@Potatoincanada201 Месяц назад
Hey dude
@enteristic
@enteristic Месяц назад
basically trash but if u play it its okay
@lifeboatman
@lifeboatman Месяц назад
Basically the free one
@barncheese359
@barncheese359 Месяц назад
as a joke video
@cool-hg8ss
@cool-hg8ss Месяц назад
NAH HE SHOULD TRY PROJECT FLIGHT BRUH
@Benjamin-mx7lc
@Benjamin-mx7lc 8 дней назад
is a320 available in xplane12? I've been using MSFS 2020 but not a hardcore flyer. but since game pass already expired, planning to get an official copy. but having dillemma with msfs 2020 or 2024 vs xplane 12.. help!
@nonamebyprogram
@nonamebyprogram Месяц назад
Welcome to X-Plane! Most of the default aircraft in X-Plane aren't the greatest, so you should totally download the Zibo 737-800 (study-level and free) if you'd like something close to the PMDG 737-800.
@ms55_
@ms55_ 29 дней назад
zibo isnt study level
@nonamebyprogram
@nonamebyprogram 29 дней назад
@@ms55_ how so? i’ve seen and talked with many pilots who have praised the zibo’s accuracy to the real 737ng.
@aviakai3477
@aviakai3477 28 дней назад
@@ms55_ So is the pmdg 💀💀
@ms55_
@ms55_ 28 дней назад
@@aviakai3477 idk i havent ever flown the pmdg 737 i use xplane
@ms55_
@ms55_ 28 дней назад
@@nonamebyprogram there is a slight difference between accurate and study level. for example, a study level plane has ALL the switches AND circuit breakers working. the zibo doesnt have that, but its close
@Samgratt
@Samgratt Месяц назад
9:17 I mean if you landed with park brake on then no shot it worked
@johnsgaard3678
@johnsgaard3678 14 дней назад
X-plane for the flying experience, MSFS 2020 for visual experience.
@The737pilot23
@The737pilot23 Месяц назад
Xplane will always have the better physics Microsoft flight sim will always have the best graphics I personally choose physics and xplane but both games can be great it just depends on what you are looking for.
@Hornet135
@Hornet135 Месяц назад
Yep, things haven’t really changed in that regard with these two sims in the last 25+ years.
@The737pilot23
@The737pilot23 Месяц назад
@@Hornet135 yup
@BrettLizzy420
@BrettLizzy420 Месяц назад
Love the channel bro. Im using x plane mobile on android. There is a setting on graphics. The anti-aliasing option. Made all the jagged edges clean. Not sure if it has the same settings. Ok thanks. Keep rocking it. And.......dc3???? Would be awesome to see your skills. 😊
@RayyanRains-im2vt
@RayyanRains-im2vt Месяц назад
Aaron rehins there is a combat mode where fighter jets try to shoot you down its pretty fun you should try it also you can install mods for realistic crash physics too.
@ハローイムキャッシュ
@ハローイムキャッシュ 14 дней назад
9:31 your the best flight sim player of all time and im a subscriber❤
@LuisMontiel07
@LuisMontiel07 Месяц назад
Hey Aaron! I’m Luis, I’m wondering how you are able to have X-plane 12 and MSFS, do you delete one before downloading the other or is both downloaded? I’m asking because my computer doesn’t have storage for both but I’d like X-plane too
@AaronRheins.
@AaronRheins. Месяц назад
I have them both downloaded at the same time, I have 2 4tb SSD’s which is very convenient!
@muratdemir82
@muratdemir82 Месяц назад
9:14 normal day in ryanair:
@VintageAviation737
@VintageAviation737 19 дней назад
you can change the FOV of the cockpit in the graphics settings
@RoverAirlines
@RoverAirlines Месяц назад
Could you do a review or live of the PC-12 by SWS??
@BlackPhantom_II
@BlackPhantom_II Месяц назад
sorry for the long comment it's just pointing some things out for the next time 2:19 in your graphics settings you can adjust your FOV which lets you zoom out more also use shift + 4 will give you another external camera option, it isn't like MSFS that it follows the direction of the plane but it's far better than most of the external views also X plane 11 and 12 really dislike when you try to see the beggining of the flight though ( i assume because both can't handle trying to load everything and crash) you can rewind it with the buttons that are in the top of the replay bar and i think many people already mentioned this, but Stock X plane aircraft physics wise they're pretty bad, mainly because nobody uses them and they come from X plane 11 or earlier, i highly suggest trying a proper addon aircraft like the Zibo Mod 737 or something like the ToLiss Airbuses which as far as people tell me it's better than the Fenix A320 (but that's system wise) 8:48 as far as i know you can fix that using ortho4xp it's free and you can also get satellite scenery but it's heavy on the Storage depending on the zoom level (quality level) also side note you can setup custom views if you search up quick views in the keybind settings, there are videos that explain it better than this 14:45 personal opinion X plane is more Freeware friendly you will spend less money on X plane since the amount of free content (X plane has more addons than MSFS ever had (if you include X Plane 11) not only that but a lot are pretty good, like the Zibo mod 737 which is, if not one of the most accurate 737s for any sim (but that's personal opinion) MSFS is hit or miss with free addons, either they are FSX conversions or have a different cockpit than the plane or really really bad in all ways, payware addons doesn't get any better since the only good stuff is inibuilds, PMDG and the fenix a320 the rest is either good or just scam, X plane payware is very good you got a lot of studios with many high fidelity aircraft (Inibuilds, ToLiss, Rotate, Flight Factor, FlyJsim and a few others)
@lukeman42
@lukeman42 26 дней назад
how much hard drive does it take a up ?
@LuxTim
@LuxTim 19 дней назад
aaron did you play demo or did you buy it
@SebsenGaming
@SebsenGaming Месяц назад
Good vid Aron! 🔥
@Opto_editx
@Opto_editx 13 дней назад
now im confused what should i buy msfs 2020 or xplane 12?
@LeRafale
@LeRafale 10 дней назад
XP12. Don't even think about it, msfs 2020 is for gamers, XP12 is for flight simmers.
@WingsOfNovaaris
@WingsOfNovaaris 15 дней назад
"Oh look, a flight simulation video" *Sees New York* Oh no...
@visyxl
@visyxl Месяц назад
Now try Aerofly FS 4!
@Vikous999
@Vikous999 23 дня назад
how did you dowload the scenery?
@andreicasianionescu2718
@andreicasianionescu2718 Месяц назад
yay, a new video, so cool
@Greazer
@Greazer 5 дней назад
3:55 Why is X Plane vehicle traffic ALL going the same direction??
@cat11345
@cat11345 Месяц назад
I didn't even know this existed before this video
@3beanswithbacon
@3beanswithbacon Месяц назад
Great content
@TSC777
@TSC777 Месяц назад
7:00 press SHIFT + 4 and u have a normal external view
@Masterfighterx
@Masterfighterx Месяц назад
To me, XPlane has a better flying feel, better camera options and movement, it has replay (if MSFS has it, I haven't found it, and still because of the lack of camera options/controls it'll still be worse) and sound. Graphics is a bit here and there, but overall MSFS wins by a long shot for having actual cities from bing(booo) maps
@andreicasianionescu2718
@andreicasianionescu2718 Месяц назад
i cant wait to see it, i love ur vids
@TLR_
@TLR_ Месяц назад
I’m landed a 737 on a carrier in xplane before😂
@TSC777
@TSC777 Месяц назад
2:17 you can change ur FOV in the settings
@NicholasMatteo
@NicholasMatteo 20 дней назад
Welcome to the world where man fly
@uraymeiviar
@uraymeiviar 23 дня назад
omg that shadow was so joke!
@Littleguy-5
@Littleguy-5 Месяц назад
A follow up from the stream!
@GreenAxolotI
@GreenAxolotI Месяц назад
No, it just is the stream and edited
@Littleguy-5
@Littleguy-5 Месяц назад
@@GreenAxolotI u sure?
@Cris-dw2oh
@Cris-dw2oh 9 дней назад
I usually don’t scroll on replay mode just click on the time you want
@AnonymousRedCat
@AnonymousRedCat Месяц назад
3:12 that's the George Wasington bridge.
@RATTMAN
@RATTMAN Месяц назад
It is Williamsburg Bridge. GWB is on the North side of Manhattan connecting to Jersey.
@AnonymousRedCat
@AnonymousRedCat Месяц назад
@@RATTMAN thanks for the info just when looking at it at a glance it looked like the George Washington bridge lol
@MaviationYT
@MaviationYT Месяц назад
Do Infinite flight next!
@AcePilot1233_real
@AcePilot1233_real Месяц назад
waiting for this vid since yesterday
@AcePilot1233_real
@AcePilot1233_real Месяц назад
what a coincidence
@Lukasalonsoopena6151
@Lukasalonsoopena6151 Месяц назад
Aaron pls do another landing competition I'd love to be in ur vids
@BuckyBarnesATL
@BuckyBarnesATL Месяц назад
The cockpit visuals in X-Plane and Microsoft Flight Simulator have similar levels of detail, but the graphics in MSFS are more photorealistic. This still definitely lags behind MSFS. If you prioritize flight analysis and real-world training, X-Plane 12 tops the list. If detailed combat aircraft are what you're after, DCS World is the sim for you. Yet all around MSFS is still the best.
@FlyHolide
@FlyHolide Месяц назад
copy past
@Tpr_1808
@Tpr_1808 Месяц назад
Not by any means ifr, failures training and not to mention kack of a weather radar
@iain8837
@iain8837 16 дней назад
Nice one, I'm doing a world tour in a Legacy RG, Autoortho (free), Simheaven (free) and it's looking great and FEELS great, which is my prio, not bashing MSFS, but I won't be going back, it looks and feels like flying in a cartoon, very hard to nail what it is but I just don't get the satisfaction from it.
@Potatoincanada201
@Potatoincanada201 Месяц назад
Bro ran out of disk space 😅
@TheWarThunderGuy-nu1jz
@TheWarThunderGuy-nu1jz Месяц назад
I still prefer msfs 2020, more user friedndly. My saying that even though I do full flights with all the systems😂
@rhiannongymnast4827
@rhiannongymnast4827 Месяц назад
Try flying jets in Xplane
@karyiklaimoe2564
@karyiklaimoe2564 Месяц назад
i just get distracted when landing the wing keep flaping so hard 💀
@pvdgucht
@pvdgucht Месяц назад
Are you using 12.1? If not try the beta , much better 😌.
@pvdgucht
@pvdgucht Месяц назад
Oh and try orbx TrueEarth scenery and lke TOLIS A320 or an Aerobask plane. 😌
@TriJetSimPilot
@TriJetSimPilot Месяц назад
They are both good sims, I use both.
@ThatBloxFruitsGuy-hl3ew
@ThatBloxFruitsGuy-hl3ew Месяц назад
under 14 min less go
@CAYSON_04
@CAYSON_04 Месяц назад
It is 9:11 pm in here
@JamesAviation-jw2jd
@JamesAviation-jw2jd Месяц назад
I have a Xplane 12 it’s the best
@AircraftGAMER635
@AircraftGAMER635 8 дней назад
can u play xplane 12 with keyboard and mouse??
@user-wj3vx5kw4v
@user-wj3vx5kw4v Месяц назад
I love flight simulator ❤😢
@rhiannongymnast4827
@rhiannongymnast4827 Месяц назад
Try flying more jets
@Ayden2008
@Ayden2008 Месяц назад
X-plane is one of my favorite sims
@Ayden2008
@Ayden2008 Месяц назад
But I use the mobile version
@Oppzis8
@Oppzis8 Месяц назад
I don't like it the cuz graphics sucks I only like games with cool graphics
@Ayden2008
@Ayden2008 Месяц назад
@@Oppzis8 the game is from 2010, so you can’t expect much from it
@EmeryE2
@EmeryE2 Месяц назад
@@Ayden2008Xplane 12 is from 2021
@greenesyt563
@greenesyt563 Месяц назад
@@Oppzis8 honestly that's how many players of MSFS perceive it as best flight sim.
@jond3929
@jond3929 5 дней назад
I'm looking to buy x plane 12... my MSFS won't even launch and I've had about enough of it.... endless mandatory updates that never finish and only start over. At 0% even after updating for hours and hours. Hoping x plane 12 will be a better alternative.
@njbusnut
@njbusnut Месяц назад
3:13 Williamsburg Bridge
@PvtMikehawk
@PvtMikehawk 5 дней назад
That thumbnail made him look like rob shnider
@brendagross3299
@brendagross3299 Месяц назад
You should play some Roblox flight simulators. You don't have to, but just a suggestion.
@esterisais3759
@esterisais3759 Месяц назад
Try pts it’s pretty fun
@esterisais3759
@esterisais3759 Месяц назад
PTFs srry
@RamdomAvGeek
@RamdomAvGeek 4 дня назад
11:17 There's a "5" why did he call it bad?
@carenthusiests
@carenthusiests Месяц назад
play xplane 12 again but with zibo 737. zibo like 999x better then default.
@NRG-Aviation
@NRG-Aviation Месяц назад
now try aeroplane airport simulator manager 3D 🤓💀
@payt01
@payt01 Месяц назад
I have both Xplane and MSFS, but it's been a while since I booted Xplane. I love flightsimming for just mindlessly exploring areas. ILats week I crossed the USA 3 times, one time on a southerly route (Florida - San Diego) and a middle routre and a northern route. I really gives you an imprsssion of what those areas look like, especially in VR. In Xplane you coul;d maybe accomplsh something similar but you need hundreds of gigs of ortho, mods to get proper trees and all that jazz, and roads look funny and are exactly the same everywhere, while in MSFS I can just use the out of the box experience and get satellite imagery of the roads everywhere. For me the physics in MSFS are good enough to get a good impression of what the planes I fly are ike. I mostly use the Vision jet and the Comanche (which is awesome), as well as the new Duke. With MSFS 2024 on the horizon, I see little to no future for Xplane for me. Kind of a shame, because I wish XPlane could still offer some good competition. But judging from the comments, they will always have a crowd that prefer Xplane, so I hope it'll be enough to keep them going!
@Hornet135
@Hornet135 Месяц назад
Seems like a weird thing to say that X-Plane is dead for you because of MSFS 2024 is coming out when we have no idea what it will really be.
@payt01
@payt01 Месяц назад
@@Hornet135 It will be a flight simulator, most likely better in all repects than MSFS 2020, from what we can tell. I'd be surprised if that turned out not to be the case. But you know, XPlane will also still be around, so if that's what you prefer, then have at it :) They seem to be hard at work to try and catch up with the competition, and that can only be good news!
@Hornet135
@Hornet135 Месяц назад
@@payt01 Again, live in reality and not hopes and dreams.
@nishantmishra6215
@nishantmishra6215 29 дней назад
​@@payt01MSFS is just a Arcade Video Game
@ScoobyMoony
@ScoobyMoony Месяц назад
I can promise u. With some free mods and addons it's 2x better than fs2020!! More realistic in physics too.
@tubeloobs
@tubeloobs Месяц назад
Haha no it isn't lol
@cupofjoen
@cupofjoen Месяц назад
I own xp11 and xp12. I'm starting to believe that it doesn't. Xplane 12 uses blade element theory while msfs uses computational fluid dynamics for their flight model. In contrast BET have accurate simulation for the airframe but very limited while CFD have more capabilities. I have to give up on x plane 12 and give credits to Asobo.
@SSCapArcona
@SSCapArcona 23 дня назад
4:59 *crashed* 7:59 *crashed again*
@Thelandingchannel
@Thelandingchannel Месяц назад
Now imagine this compared vs MSFS2024
@syedfabianibrahim
@syedfabianibrahim Месяц назад
My cousin's name is also Aaron.😊
@Kimgfisher2020
@Kimgfisher2020 27 дней назад
15:38 not as many mods? Well you are wrong, there is a LOT of free and not free addons
@terbit2548
@terbit2548 Месяц назад
I still use xplane 11 because it has more mods
@anonymous_7831
@anonymous_7831 Месяц назад
cool vid
@nickmanson8687
@nickmanson8687 Месяц назад
Last x plane I used was x plane 10
@frankbyte
@frankbyte 15 дней назад
Last MS I used was Fs98
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