So I've Been Playing: DEADLY PREMONITION 2 [ Review SWITCH ] 

here's whitneys v in depth look at the game: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-imDx0jly7a0.html i recommend it bigly and higly. alternatively, my friend miles's review of DP2 provides a bit of a different view from my own lol ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EJTnIRqdOjI.html very much worth a watch as well. also heres devins concluse 2 video that i stole footage from: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3kp-_512KcA.html and here is my patreon even: www.patreon.com/user?u=2285408 i need it to not die!

A patch released just a couple days ago that dramatically improves the framerate in the open world, so I think it's safe to say it was never a design choice and was always just ToyBox being ToyBox. I noticed a lot of people trying to claim that the bad FPS was an inherent part of Deadly Premonition when it was never an issue in the original 360 version, just the ports ToyBox handled. I think framerate could be used to convey ideas or emulate a certain style like you said, but nothing about this game felt like it was trying to emulate old video games to me and the lack of consistency across the board showed it was never a stylistic choice. The open world sections legit gave me a headache a few times and I'd have to stop playing for a bit.

"Not so-bad-it's-good, just good" is what I've been trying to tell people about DP1 for years. Finally... a small victory... a little crumb for me...

Thesis for one of my upcoming videos is literally "Deadly Premonition is better than "so bad it's good"" so I'm gonna come back to this when I've made it to avoid any other crossing of the idea streams, but needless to say your intro was fantastic and I am suuuper excited to watch the rest of this

Thank you for talking about this game! When I went to my local GameStop the man over the counter was "I've been waiting for you." To which I replied "How so ?" "You are the only person who pre-ordered this game so I put next to the cash register because I wanted to see what you looked like." I have a bit of a funny relationship because many times I'm the only person who orders games like this. When the 25th Ward came out I had a DP esque situation when the manager called out his employee all like "Hey it's that guy." To which a dude poked his head from the back and was like "Hey it's that guy wait a second let me get (random name)." After feeling like a prized poodle i realized, I am known as the guy who gets the obscure niche ass shit. On another note Thor your video editing has gotten so amazing I've been inspired to get into it. At one of my jobs (I.E a library) I've taken a lead role at editing cringe art videos for the youth. So thank you for the inspiration bruh.

Jake Generican is the most American character I've ever seen.

Low key the “So I’ve Been Playing” intro music slaps

I want to buy it, but unlike you, I lack patience for long loading screens and my head hurts from low fps. As long as they manage an average of 24-30 I'll take it.

8:55 If you increase the volume to full, you can hear a faint “QUUUUUUIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNT”

I love that DP2 has that "PS3 Aesthetic" to it despite being a Switch game.

Hey thanks for the shout out to my Deadly Premonition: A cult classic that's more than just "so bad, it's good" video :) Happy you enjoyed it! It's nice to know I'm not alone thinking the game is great. I enjoyed your Deadly Premonition 2 review as well!

One of the best gaming channels I've discovered. Other youtubers tend to just nitpick about certain aspects of the game but this channel really considers a huge aspect of video games that is sorely missed in a lot of channels, and that's art direction and world building.

So happy to see York being based again. Dude is capable of making Silent Hill feel comfy.

8:58 One time, I watched Quint for the entire in-game day just so I could do a stupid side quest. He was constantly glitching through different realities, phasing though fences and floating outside of the car while driving it. What a guy!

I really enjoyed what you said in the beginning about things being so bad they're good and guilty pleasures! I was just trying to elaborate that same idea to someone the other day, like man what's the point of being embarrassed about liking something that might be against the grain of what's normally considered good? Who has the energy to feel guilty about enjoying something which isn't actively harmful, but is just wacky or doesn't have massive budget? Why put a disclaimer like ironic enjoyment or guilty pleasure on the shit you like? Don't be a coward, unabashedly love what makes y'all happy!

I'm just glad this game exists. People will complain about it being bad, it will not sell well, and i am going to devour this game just like i do with everything that swery poops out.

Nah, the games SHOULD run at 30fps at least. Same as movies SHOULD run at 24 fps at least to not cause headaches. Same as books SHOULD have a minimum font size that is still comfortably readable for long stretches of time. Low FPS CAN be used deliberately for artistic purposes, and btw good point, BUT... it NEEDS TO BE DELIBERATE then, and it needs to have the rest of the things in the game deliberately designed around this. Which is clearly not the case here.

This review is very in-depth. One could say you whent frame by frame on this one. It's a bad frame rate joke... YOU GET IT!?!

Finally, I thought I was the only person who liked this as much as DP1.

I heard that every copy of the Xbox 360 version of Deadly Premonition was stamped with a single hair from David Lynch's head. Not the PS3 version, though.

I was on the fence until you said the part with infinitly spawning crocodiles was really good. I have always been looking for a game with good amount of crocodiles in it, and infinite sounds amazing! Thanks for the review/recommendation

I really resonated with the intro and your ruminations on the “so bad it’s good” trope. Really put a lot of my feelings on it into words in a way that I’m completely gonna crib in future conversations I will undoubtedly have. Top notch video as always.

I think that because deadly premonition is considered ironic that reviewers are overly accepting of its faults - they fear not getting it. It is a meme game after all. Its fine to enjoy the game but its fans can be over zealous in its defence.

this game really should've been delayed tho, that level of performance and loading isn't acceptable. dp1 may have been a janky game in some aspects but its original release ran well, and dp2 might legit be the worst performing game of the generation outside of the pits of steam. it really hurt the launch of the game as most of it was spent arguing about performance, with ppl claiming dp was always this way and others correcting them. barely heard anyone talk about the game itself outside of this unfortunately. hope it gets fixed with patches or ported to a more powerful system so i can play it

So the same composer from Hotel Dusk made the ost for DP2, sold

I get your point with low fps being used to serve a point, like to homage ps1 games and such, but in the case of DP2 it is insanely clear that it was not done for that purpose. Toybox clearly just doesn't know jack about stuff, doing the bare minimum to fulfil the creators vision, and then any time people try to call them out for it it will be followed up with "hey it was intentionally like that". There's low frame rate done for an artistic or meme point, and then there is just incompetence.

Finally, the most important DP2 review.

Yeah I kinda need a stable frame rate, be it 120, 60, 30, hell I can even do 20. This just gives me a headache.

Hated the art style at first with the shell shading and all. But you're critique made it grow on me a little. It really does make things pop and with the colors make everything more lively and comforting. I can handle low frame rates but I think its that the frame rate is so inconstant. I rather have the whole game run at 30(possibly even in the 20's) than have it go from 60 and run outside to 12. Its jarring, and not "SUDA 51 charming" jarring. More "My brain and eyes are annoyed" jarring.

Slow loading time? Considering I'm gaming on PCs ranging from potato skin to potato specs for the year I was using them I'm somewhat used to it Below 30 fps? Ditto as above, my bread and butter now with a 10 gigs of RAM and potato specs for others But when it dips down into a single digit? That's just absolute pain, really begging to be updated to be locked on to 15 fps the lowest or something

God d4 story was so interesting... sad will never see a sequel 😭

Ok I understood what you were getting at with the FPS being used cinematically or for part of a gameplay experience... but for this game? I don't longboard at 10 fps man. I played Gundam Crossfire for weeks and tried to convince friends to play with me. But when they said I was mad for thinking it was acceptable to play with that performance I got past thinking low FPS an acceptable experience. I would say you do you but dude, but your really saying your cool with it in this game? THIS? Then what was the patch that came out that fixed it? More cinematic expertise?

Twin Peaks had like 10 songs that were re-used over 28 hours of television. and it's still one of the most beloved soundtracks ever. for the exact same reason. feels comfy af.

hey thor been watching for a while your content always ceases to amaze me with your editing and comedy style keep it up

Dunno if you take comment suggestions but maybe check out World of Horror literally played it nonstop until I got sick and now I think I'm dying

Love your videos ❤️ clicked on as soon as I saw it ❤️

The editing, style and writing of your videos are always on another level.

As someone who loved the first dp i was soured by the second game, but it was nice hearing you talk about it in such a positive light! Great vid

Great editing I need to pick up this game :) lol your videos are great i laugh a lot watching them

I adore this line "I don't think a game ever should be anything that it isn't" at 27:53. I don't always reason that way, but it a very precious perspective when talking about art. A perspective I value your videos so much for.

Apparently the shooting was tacked on because of upper management it originally wasnt gonna be in the game.

4:24 being a fallout fan is like seeing you crush making out with your highschool bully

Great analysis Thor! I WANT to go back and replay DP2 for all the side content but the performance creates a really difficult barrier for re-entry. I actually love traversing Le Carre and soaking in it’s minutiae but the load times, low frames, and momentary freezes, which make me worry the game is going to crash (thanks DP1 Switch port), combine to make it a very tedious experience. It’s a shame because this IS a good game but when I can still point to the 360 version of DP1 as the standard bearer for solid technical performance of the series and it’s sequel released 10 years later doesn’t even come close to it well that’s uh...a bit messed up lol. Still I enjoy hearing your opinion on games and this one does not disappoint. Thank you so much for what you do!

Aside from the framerate being garbage, this game totally missed the mark from its predecessor. The first game was just the right amount of cheese and awkwardness, with a older gen feel. This game visually seems to have a little too much polish and no longer creates that perfect lightning in a bottle scenario of so bad it's good like the original. It looks like the makers of this game tried their best to replicate with the old game did, without realizing that a large amount of the original games charm was in the amateur presentation. Not to mention, that the original game didn't have framerate issues like this. The original game is a masterpiece and this one just looks like some try hard attempt at recapturing the same feel, without understanding the original or what made it good at all

you make my favorite video essays, almost no matter the topic. thank you for existing.

Been looking forward to your take on this for a minute. I put in a good ten hours and been meaning to get back to it, hopefully this week, and it's given me this interesting feeling. It's like returning to a place one vacationed at as a child, they have a distinct version of it in their head only to find the reality being a mishmash of different yet familiar.

You have sold me on playing/streaming this amazing piece of art. Thank you!

Bro I’ve been watching your videos all day and on and off the last couple of weeks and you are by far the most underrated channel on RU-vid I find these subjects so fascinating it’s like this channel is perfectly made for me

The five minutes loading times were intentional

12:05 your thwomp sounds ended up sounding like chunky kong from dk64

I can't help but love the fact that the PAL case for the 360 version of DP1 has a giant 10/10 on it

Wow fantastic review. Glad I found your channel. Subbed!

York reminds me of that one Bill Burr podcast story about the skateboarder in the casual night out clothes, log-rolling his way down the hill.

It's been on my backlog since release. Just got it and beat it last night. Loved your video.

I love your view on games, your chulip vid and that part where you talk about arrogance being part of why an artist is an artist was very inspiring.

Thank you so much for this video! I enjoyed playing DP2. Is it flawed? Absolutely. Do I prefer the first game? Yes. But there was so much I loved about DP2, and the ending felt so satisfying to me. I wanted to see more York and Zach, and I really love those characters, so it was a blast getting dive back into this wonderfully weird world of Swery’s with them. I appreciate your honesty and overall positive feelings about the game. Great video!

I feel like I'm one of the few people that enjoyed the first game quite a bit, but didn't like the second one much at all. I felt like I enjoyed the original DP despite all it's problems. The second game just felt bad outside of the characters and music. Tedious, boring, and sometimes aggravating to play. I don't think it's other elements worked with the characters/music to make it a better experience like the first game. It's just pulling you out of the experience here.

Your discussion on framerate left out something important. I also grew up playing old low framerate games. Most of us did, the n64 Zelda games were locked at 20fps iirc. The thing that made them okay is the lock. Variable framerates that vary wildly have some very real concrete bad effects: they make your expected control inputs weird, because the input lag is effected by the update rate of the image on the screen. This frequently results in frustration, headaches, and nausea. From what I'm seeing in this video, DP2 is willing to jump from 60 fps to 6 depending on what's on screen, and that's really, really bad. That makes the game physically feel worse for a lot of people, and can physically make them sick or in pain. That goes beyond the bounds of an artistic choice imo.

great fucking video as always i discovered your channel through your SH music video, and i am binge watching you since early june i don't know any channel like yours here in Brazil, and everytime i see your content my brain and heart just goes wild to produce my content as well keep inspiring me, you're great at this

How much was changed pre patch coz Iv been avoiding the frame rate patch as I dnt want to miss anything or should I just update it its its only a few lines of dialogue that have been changed or is it a whole story mission that was fixed/changed?

Your sense of humor just gets me, right where I like it. You are criminally underviewed.

song at 11:43? i had a browse through your music and love it honestly, but i didnt find it in what i looked through

Nice touch with the hotel dusk music, York and Kyle Hyde rock !

What games did you show footage of in the beginning?

I just came to say I love your work on umarangi generations! I haven’t even played the game, I just like the soundtrack!

A very good reason to watch your videos is to revisit Hotel Dusk/Last Window soundtracks playing in the background, love them. . . . . . . . . And I like your reviews of course...

“Well that visual quality is a good reminder of those days.” 😂😂

So I wanted to go in on this, as a fan of Swery and other DP game. I don't mind unstable gameplay but I've seen multiple bugs some even preventing from finishing the game. Did recent patches fixed the major bugs, or do you still risk major progress loss while playing?

THORHIGHEELS IN THE COFFEE

I agree with about everything you said. This is a modern game but despite that managed to capture the feel of some of my favorites like Hotel Dusk, The Last Window, and Flower, sun, and Rain. The game doesn't have to be flawless to be amazing as was evident by the first one. I consider DP1 to be a legitimate 10/10 game after its final ~3 hours were the best hours I have spent in any game, and even though DP2 didn't blow me away the same way the first one did, I felt at home playing it, and finishing it made me miss all the chacters. And the hotel theme slaps hard.

Hey Thor! I’m a huge fan of your content and I’m actually friends with Swery on Facebook and sent him your video! I hope he checks it out!

Hey, my most recent video talked about Deadly Premonition 1 and 2! I’m glad Swery is getting more attention!

I'm right there with you on your description of how you look at games.

Jake Generican the Small-Town American is comedy gold and I hope I never forget.

i love your classic style of video

Bruh how are you this underrated?!

Spiderman spiderverse is proof you can mess with framerate as a tool for artistic expression in your media

I bet thor never played morrowind if he's gonna say bethesda only makes bad games. Shit's the best rpg I've ever played, but I like the ability to role play in an rpg

I love that you stand by your opinions but in terms finding the value in DP2, this video deserves a gold medal in mental gymnastics

I will say great video Ned I always love to see your "so Ive been playing" series you have opened me to another level of jank jank and dumpster fires deadly premonition 1 being my dumpster fire, if you beat the whole game before it got the update patch frames you are the only youtuber who has Big Chad Pee-Pee Energy, but I will not watch this video simply for the spoilers I will return in the future for your point of views on the game I will say this Best skateboard physics on grass Swery 10/10

Great video. The opinions on this game interest me very much. I hope to see you cover LEGO island one day

One of the best content creators on the platform! Love from Italy

For some reason I love the fact that SWERY denies having ever seen Twin Peaks or True Detective. I can imagine him saying this with a shit eating grin, looking the reporter directly in the eye just to fuck with them

Been curiously watching DP2 ever since the reveal, having never played the first game. But then I see gameplay and remind myself that I prefer more frames in a second than seconds in a frame ;) What I've seen of the performance gives me flashbacks to Virtual Hylide... And yet, I can still see the appeal of the game, thankfully. Maybe someday..

"It isn't like the room or haha Bethesda games..." AMAZING

dude i love your embracing of 'poor' elements in games and contextualizing it in a way that fits the message of the game and also fuck that frame rate and loading times fix that shit please it's just so annoying lol pls

After playing Deadly premonition 1 in 2018, It got me into drinking black coffee, and I’ve been drinking it ever since! And it’s become one of my favourite games I’ve ever played, and also inspiring quite a bit of my writing as well

Whitney Plays also has an in-depth series they did, a couple of years ago, for the original Silent Hill on PS1, that's really great if you want to know obscure tid-bits about the game.

Epic thwomp moment or big muscle music from Lisa the painful rpg

Man I love your channel

happy to hear im not the only one who is barely affected by shitty framerates due to playing on old laptops without gpus for years

i liked the athmosphere and art direction of dp2 much more than dp1. it was exactly like you stated - it's like going on a holiday to sime nice warm place. funny that dp1 compares to dp2 almost like the silver case to flower, sun and rain. the framerate was quite good when i got to play dp2 but the 'in and out of establishments loading' is still annoying.

You're videos are so weird and awesome at the same time. Great job.

Excellent video sir

Thor and deadly premonition! Guaranteed banger of a video. Also I would love to hear your thoughts on the game Judgement.

T..H..H....In the Suggestions! Zach, I think I should watch this video....

Man, the art style on this is genuinely AMAZING!

The wonderful whistling tune of DP1 has become the THEME of “something that’s a bit odd or weird yet endearing is happening right now”, and I love that! Kinda uniquely, I was introduced to the genre of camp from DP1. What I thought was it’s skillful handing of Thomas got me interested in learning more about drag culture… which sucks that DP2 somehow took many steps back by trying to handle one or two things the writer/s didn’t deeply understand or research much about? Anyway, the worldview presented and surrounding camp (at least what it was back in the 2010s) encouraged me to understand myself more, and that life can be absolutely batshit crazy and out of your control at times, but you are never alone. Lastly, as someone who grew up with the PS2, is photosensitive (I get head and eye pain, not seizures), and prone to motion sickness, the “issues” with DP2 is the painful input lag and constant frame stuttering when moving around in the open world; NOT just that the frame rate is low. I played through DP1 perfectly fine on PS3; I didn’t feel any input lag and lower than 30 frame rate is perfectly fine with me (and honestly I prefer under 60 due to my mentioned specific problems). DP2’s input lag and stuttering meant that I could only play for 3 hours at a time before starting to feel queasy.

Small correction, we’re never introduced to David’s “owner of the hotel personality/occupation” which I am still quite miffed about! But only a little.

Everyone knows that Malcolm McDowell's best film is Lindsay Anderson's "O Lucky Man!".