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So many RIFA's in this 1983 Apple Monitor II! 

Tony359 | Tony's Tinkering Shop
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On the bench an Apple Monitor II from 1983 which needs to be tested
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00:00 Intro
02:25 Disassembly
04:30 RIFA replacement
06:01 First power up
08:56 Supply analysis
11:27 Further disassembly
12:00 PCB analysis and capacitor check
14:48 TLC - Tender Loving Care
18:09 Dielectric grease
19:00 Final test
19:58 Brightness comparison
20:58 "Apple Presents Apple"
21:42 Outro

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Комментарии : 80   
@JamesPotts
@JamesPotts 8 месяцев назад
Finally, a RU-vidr who understands capacitor tolerance! ❤
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
ahah thanks! I know there is a big debate on replace capacitors or not :)
@hypergl6974
@hypergl6974 8 месяцев назад
If aint broken, dont fix it :)@@tony359
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
That also works :)
@jms6306
@jms6306 8 месяцев назад
Nice little refresh
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
Yes, it's nice to know it's nice and clean! :) Thanks for watching!
@roadsiderebels3039
@roadsiderebels3039 8 месяцев назад
We always get the warning about working on monitors, this was however, my first time seeing someone experiencing the surprise. Thanks for the warning, good work.
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
ahah yes, it's some sort of love/hate when it comes to CRTs :) Thanks for watching!
@kwcdata
@kwcdata 8 месяцев назад
Keep up good work. And safety first.
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
Thank you!
@ted-b
@ted-b 8 месяцев назад
Nice job Tony.
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
Thank you!
@andrewlittleboy8532
@andrewlittleboy8532 8 месяцев назад
I really enjoy your videos! 👍
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
Thank you so much!
@general23cmp
@general23cmp 8 месяцев назад
Great video!
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
Cheers!
@Epictronics1
@Epictronics1 8 месяцев назад
Nice cleanup Tony. I really need to get some of that dielectric silicone grease. I ones took a CRT display in from cold storage and turned it on, it went of like a fire cracker!
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
ouch! I still don't like CRTs! :)
@Epictronics1
@Epictronics1 8 месяцев назад
@@tony359 It was quite spectacular, way louder than RIFAs, and lasted for several seconds. Needless to say, it went back to storage, dead as a doornail haha. Maybe I'll fix it someday :)
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
this is why I usually have the camera on when I power up things, just in case :)
@aleksandardjurovic9203
@aleksandardjurovic9203 8 месяцев назад
A great video. Thank you!
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
Thank you for watching!
@tassdesu
@tassdesu 8 месяцев назад
I liked how CRT made the discharging sound
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
Yes that cute, deadly sound :D Thanks for watching!
@sokoloft3
@sokoloft3 8 месяцев назад
Fantastic!
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
Thank you!
@thomasjosephlamarque2927
@thomasjosephlamarque2927 8 месяцев назад
ESR low. i've been racking my brains and trying to find in amongst my university paperwork, my notes on what makes a "low" ESR. thank you for a great video :)
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
Thank you for watching! I barely know what that means, I just know it's good when it's low :)
@thomasjosephlamarque2927
@thomasjosephlamarque2927 8 месяцев назад
@@tony359 thank you. Yes I’ve been going off “it’s low means ok”
@Ragnar8504
@Ragnar8504 8 месяцев назад
Whether an ESR value is good or bad depends on the capacitance and voltage rating of the capacitor in question. Old dedicated ESR meters had a chart of ESR values depending on the two factors printed onto the lid. According to a quick web search all the values you measured are fare below the maximum, by several Ohms. The 10 µF/100 V at the beginning read 1.3 Ω and depending on which specs you look at it could have between two and nine Ohms. For a scientific assessment you need the ESR values for that specific capacitor series.
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
Yes, I "eyeballed" it. I know for smaller values a higher ESR is ok and vice versa. I didn't look at the table but glad I remembered right. I am also aware that my ESR meter is a toy :)
@ztechrepairs
@ztechrepairs 8 месяцев назад
Another great repair!!! Great job!!!
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
Thank you!
@MikesArcadeMonitorRepair
@MikesArcadeMonitorRepair 8 месяцев назад
Great Job!
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
Thank you!
@pepealexandre
@pepealexandre 8 месяцев назад
Great job, sir, thank you for sharing.
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
Thanks for watching!
@RudysRetroIntel
@RudysRetroIntel 8 месяцев назад
Excellent video and work!! Thanks for sharing this and keep up the great work!
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
Thank you very much!
@minombredepila1580
@minombredepila1580 8 месяцев назад
Great job as always. I love the smell of a burned rifa in the morning 🙂
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
ahah - I never had a RIFA burn on my desk... I guess it will happen sooner or later :) Thanks for watching!
@Ragnar8504
@Ragnar8504 8 месяцев назад
@@tony359 The smell is AWFUL! The worst one prevented me from staying in the room for over 24 hours. It's not just Rifas that burn, Wima had a very similar range of epoxy-coated paper X/Y caps that fail the same way, happened to me last year. They seem to fail less often as Rifas but it's still a very good idea to replace them.
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
Yes I heard about the smell and I hope I'll never experience it :)
@minombredepila1580
@minombredepila1580 8 месяцев назад
@@Ragnar8504 Cannot agree more. Have to have the window open during the whole day and ventilate the room. I guess that it could be used as a biohazard weapon !!!!
@WizardClipAudio
@WizardClipAudio 4 месяца назад
If you’re just going a few feet, you can split the signal about four ways before any terribly noticeable difference in video quality on RF or Composite if your using good quality cables and splitter. Then it’s just a matter of cable length/splits/and strength of the source signal. If you run a very long length of CATV or something like to another room, you maybe, probably gonna have to use an amplifier jumped from a shorter length from the splitter. Pretty much, with appropriately used splitters and amps, you can network about as many dang displays as you like. The lower the impedance and better the shield/ground, naturally you get incrementally more impedance the longer the wire gets cause there’s just more wire to go through to complete the circuit. If one of your runs from the splitter is disproportionately too long, then you can get bothersome interference between them. ❤
@tony359
@tony359 4 месяца назад
Yes, I was probably a bit over cautious! Thanks for the details and for watching!
@Ragnar8504
@Ragnar8504 8 месяцев назад
Coincidence can be a strange thing sometimes! This morning I woke up thinking I should really look into removing the PRAM batteries in my vintage Macs (SE, Classic, Classic II) but realised I wasn't sure how to properly discharge the CRT. Only a few hours later RU-vid showed this video in my feed.
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
There you go, I hope it was helpful and you found your Mac's in good shape!
@Ragnar8504
@Ragnar8504 8 месяцев назад
@@tony359 Unfortunately I need to get an extra-long long Torx screwdriver to open the computers, so I don't know yet. Thanks to your video I'm confident about discharging the CRT though. I don't expect it to hold any charge, the computers haven't been plugged in for at least five years. Seeing the jump scare you got I might use a 10k resistor to make the discharge less spectacular if there is still any residual charge.
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
Apple at some point added a resistor in the discharge tool but then went back to the original tool ‘with the spark’ because the spark is an audible feedback that the tube has been discharged. Took me a few seconds of digging with that screwdriver before it sparked. 5 years you should be very safe but better safe than sorry! 🙂
@Ragnar8504
@Ragnar8504 8 месяцев назад
@@tony359 That does make sense! I'm still not 100% sure I appreciate that kind of feedback 😅
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
ahah yes, it's scary :)
@watchmakerful
@watchmakerful 8 месяцев назад
20 V AC after full-bridge rectification will give approx. 28 V DC.
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
Yes, so I guess the rectification there is a bit old maybe?
@dawidoszkiewicz5607
@dawidoszkiewicz5607 8 месяцев назад
@@tony359 Next time try to measure directly after diodes. Between diodes and the regulator can be something dropping the voltage like a resistor. The problem can be capacitors as well. Oscilloscope can tell you the truth.
@Ragnar8504
@Ragnar8504 8 месяцев назад
@@dawidoszkiewicz5607 Yup, it's either a design feature or the electrolytics are the most likely culprits. The sqrt(2) factor for bridge rectifiers is only correct with smoothing capacitors so if they're dry the voltage probably drops. A scope should show a lot of ripple on the DC supply in that case.
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
To be fair, after the diodes there is only one capacitor. I should have checked it but the //c monitor was showing a similar behaviour, would it be possible that it's just what 1980's tech could offer? Thanks for the comment!
@dawidoszkiewicz5607
@dawidoszkiewicz5607 8 месяцев назад
Silicon rectifier diodes in 80s wasn't worse than today and math around sin(x) is still the same ;) Check the comment from @Ragnar8504@@tony359
@bundesautobahn7
@bundesautobahn7 8 месяцев назад
Sanyo... whenever that name comes up, I have to think about Jürgen Klinsmann and how he kicked that oversized Sanyo battery in the Olympiastadion in München. 🤣 Those who watch Bundesliga will know what I mean.
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
ahahaha! Took me a while to find it! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2FpFcK6Fn5I.html
@evilborg
@evilborg 8 месяцев назад
Pretty sure Sony made the North American CRT's for nearly everyone back then.
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
Sony? Maybe a later model? I don't remember seeing a Trinitron tube on an old Apple, but I cannot be sure. Thanks for watching!
@fuentescgabriel
@fuentescgabriel 7 месяцев назад
20VAC after rectifiers and filters goes up to 28VDC, not 12V...
@tony359
@tony359 7 месяцев назад
What I meant to say is that the //c monitor had a similar AC input and 12V output after the regulator so I thought it would be the same here. Thanks for your comment!
@Yanisssch
@Yanisssch Месяц назад
I currently have 3 of them and all of them was manufactured my samsung electronics, also I'm searching crt replacement since 2 of them had their cat broken during transport ....
@tony359
@tony359 Месяц назад
oh no! Well, the beauty of those monocrome CRTs is that I believe they're more or less all the same. Are they the same used in early Macintosh - but not green?
@Yanisssch
@Yanisssch Месяц назад
@@tony359 they are all green , one I have with his original box have the serial number #908 so an early produced in Ireland, btw did you know any specs of those crt to replaced to another one from any other brand?
@tony359
@tony359 Месяц назад
I cannot say for sure. I watched some of Adrian's (digital basement) videos and I think he mentioned that when it comes to monochrome monitors, they're more or less interchangeable. You might need to swap the yoke between tubes though. As usual, remember CRT are pretty dangerous, there's very high voltage in them even when unplugged!
@Bergi2000
@Bergi2000 8 месяцев назад
I'm sure the screen will be good again for a few years or decades! ahaha, it looks like we have the same "thumb disease" with me it's from nervous scratching with the index finger... :-)
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
yep, same thing! Sometimes I forget to cover it up :) Officially, I cut with the metal frame of the monitor! :) 🙄 Finger crossed for the monitor! Mine is used once every few months, the Museum's is used one whole day every week!
@Bergi2000
@Bergi2000 8 месяцев назад
no need to hide or cover. everyone is who he is. when someone asks what's wrong with my thumb, that's exactly what i say: from nervously scratching it with my index finger; and smiling it away. so what :-)
@SobieRobie
@SobieRobie 8 месяцев назад
Sanyo and Samsung were very closely cooperating since 1969.The chance is the whole monitor is made by Sanyo while some parts were delivered by Samsung. Or maybe the whole thing was outsourced to Samsung and Sanyo just only made the deal with Apple. Who knows?
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
interesting, thanks for that! So Sanyo made the case then :)
@SobieRobie
@SobieRobie 8 месяцев назад
Or just the deal only :D@@tony359
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
Let's see if someone knows more, I'm curious!
@bobweiram6321
@bobweiram6321 8 месяцев назад
I'm sure you enjoyed smoking those vintage RIFAs.
@tony359
@tony359 8 месяцев назад
😄
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