RIP Midnight Club. If it had an internal pilot it probably never would have gone to series because the first episode was easily the weakest. Its the fact they made me care, that was the killer.
I was heartbroken that the Midnight Club didn't get renewed. Especially having read the blog post and knowing how everything was meant to pan out I would've loved to see that stuff actually play out on screen like it was SUPPOSED to. Fuck Netflix. Wouldn't know quality if it bit them in the ass. I would however still be interested in hearing your thoughts on the season, Stu. I anticipated your review even while watching the season lol
At this point, creators who intend to tell a story over multiple seasons shouldn't even bother with Netflix anymore. I was actually one of the people who did watch 1899 in its first month precisely because I know that Netflix likes to pull this crap frequently. And now I kinda feel like I wasted my time. I got so invested in the characters and the mystery, only to be left on a massive fucking cliffhanger with more questions than answers.
i think weve reached the point where its clear the release all at once model really does not work when you have multiple other streaming services who are putting out stuff more traditionally and their shows are doing better or at least not being cancelled immediately
Agree there. Week by week keeps it fresh in your mind. It worked when streaming was a novelty and binge watching was a new phenomenon. Now with so many shows getting dumped in our laps, some have to get kicked down the road and not because we will never watch them but because we don't have enough hours in the day
Weekly releases also help with social media buzz, if you drop the whole show then people talk about it for a week, release 8-15 episodes of something one week at a time and you get free marketing and word of mouth for months as people speculate and discuss each episode and make articles and RU-vid videos every week.
@@Stubagful For better or worse Disney have clearly hit upon a winning strategy by releasing its Star Wars and Disney shows on Disney+ week by week, and that’s what gets people talking about them. The plot twists, the emotional character stuff, things only in one episode get more focus because that’s not competing with the rest of the season.
@@jbcatz5 _Disney have clearly hit upon a winning strategy_ AKA What regular TV channels were doing for years. Binge watching was always going to be a fad. Because, as Stu points out, not everyone watches things at the same time.
@@pious83 Streaming week by week is the best of both worlds because it’s not subject to broadcast times on individual networks in specific countries yet allows Disney to space out their new content rather than drop a whole season in one go. The trade off is that like broadcast television the duff episodes stand out more, but Disney seem to have a pretty good hit rate.
Season 1 of Dirk Gently is some of my favourite TV ever. Turning absurd coincidence into a mechanic of it's internal logic is so charming. Sure season 2 has its faults and actively hates its own fantasy premise but there are still some good scenes, certainly better than nothing at all
Inside Job is another victim of this and seeing everyone’s reaction on Twitter & Instagram at it being cancelled just makes me feel like that “First Time?” Meme
To be honest I thought the second season was worse, although honestly a lot of the problems were in the first season too and I was just able to overlook them there.
Dark is my favorite TV show; I am the target audience for 1899. I knew it was being worked on. I didn't know it was out. When I found out, I watched the entire season in less than 24 hours. The next day it got cancelled. I feel your pain.
The showrunner for The Baby-Sitter's Club says that Netflix is a slave to the algorithm and they're focused on getting the big numbers like Stranger Things. Netflix needs to get real and make changes to their approach. The constant TV series releases has turned me away from almost all shows. I feel so burned out. Being into a TV show shouldn't feel like another job. I have to watch ASAP lest it gets canceled before I can even see if it's something I'll really like. Have campaign that I want it to not be canceled on my socials. Like, this is supposed to be entertainment/a pass time hobby, why does it feel like a second job?
I'm so mad about the 1899 cancellation. There's no way they didn't _know_ that it was a three-season story, same as DARK, so why fund its production at all if they knew they might cancel it? And this coming while I'm still bitter about Warrior Nun being cancelled as well; it just makes me less inclined to watch any new show on Netflix because what's the point in me getting invested if it's just going to be cancelled on a massive cliffhanger?
This video felt like a nice follow-up to the 'Netflix doesn't promote it' video. This is what scares me when new programs start that excites people and then immediately cancels it. If marketing or advertising is non-existent, Netflix shouldn't be shocked because it's their own fault. That's what worried me after watching 'Wednesday' if it would be canned after one series, but I'm looking forward to when Series 2 comes out.
Sad reality: money. Netflix has mountains of debt, always has done, because from the beginning they borrowed against future earnings. And for a long time that basically meant there was no bottom to the money well they could pull from. The problem is that come early 2021 they appear to have finally hit the ceiling on how many monthly subscribers they can rope in, which means they’ve hit that point where “growth” is no longer about new customers but about cost cutting. With a less rosy picture of future growth they can’t just borrow more money to produce whatever anymore. But at the same time they haven’t done a full rework of their approach to match the new circumstance, they’re just kind of doing a half-assed non-committal version of what they’ve always done. This is the same reason they’re talking about cracking down on password sharing by the way, they need to not leave money on the table with the customers they have because they don’t know if they’ll be able to get many more.
That’s why they’re cracking down on password sharing, it’s something their accounting department sees as lost income. Of course that’s the exact thing that’s pushing people away from them.
It's best when the creator decides when there show ends. Alex Hirsch wanted Gravity Falls to last for 2 seasons and it worked well for him being in control of how long it lasted. I hope Hilda ending on season 3 was planned as the end point and not because of avoiding Netflix stupidity.
The problem with Netflix is a few things. 1. Netflix shows are too expensive to make and they barely make a profit. 2. They don't advertise their shows. 3. They release an entire season in one day. 4. You can only watch these shows on Netflix.
The Midnight Club I'm not too upset about being cancelled as the first season to me was about someone accepting their fate and death and coming to terms with it, which was wrapped up at the end of the first season. Sure, there were some plots that were left unfinished which sucks (we at least have the blog post to answer these questions) but the main character's arc was completed for me. Losing 1899 really sucked though cos I loved Dark and was really excited for where the creators were going to take us in its subsequent seasons. It's been a sucky time for TV shows recently, having also lost Westworld with just one season to go. Shows getting cancelled because they're not immediate successes or big hitters like Squid Game is dumb and it's ruining Netflix's platform.
Santa Clarita Diet and American Vandal died and I'm still pissed off about it. They kept 13 Reasons Why, a show that failed its premise the second it got to episode 14, at the expense of finding out what the deal with Mr. Ball Legs is
I think one of the reasons why they so readily ditched it was that their money flow is slowly but surely dwindling and they just can't keep all the productions going, hence they cancel everything in sight that isn't doing Stranger Things numbers right from the get-go. However, I think "1899" was one of those things they should have kept around regardless just for PR's sake. This show was too high profile, too prestige for its cancellation to get shrugged away by everyone. All it does is just entrenchings everyone's perception that Netflix cancels everything after season 1, creating a feedback loop where people stop bothering with their (new) shows altogether.
It's been said before but Netflix have created their own self-fulfilling prophecy by constantly doing this. Audiences feel hesitant to watch anything new because of the fear it will get cancelled, and then because it wasn't popular Netflix cancels it. Cancelling something because a first season isn't a smash hit is dumb anyway; just think of the amount of pre-streaming shows that have uneven first seasons then get a lot better later on. Almost every Star Trek show is like that for example.
The other issue is that Netflix is cancelling shows within a few weeks to a month timeframe when Disney and Amazon won't even have enough time to release a full season under that timeframe. Then Netflix rushes the next show into production to repeat the process. Netflix has basically became the no attention span network.
@@entertainmentfan1463 As much as I don't care about Disney's output, I have to admit that if I did, Disney+ would be a great service. Netflix seems to have Stranger Things, and then a lot of other promising shows killed off too early that it's pointless to watch. I can't speak for Amazon.
i was so annoyed that netflix dropped 1899. considering the creators of the show planned out the whole of dark before they even made the first series, i’m willing to bet the same for this one, and i’d understand if they were hesitant to work on a multi series project with netflix in the future
I bet they didn't plan it, maybe because a fixed number of seasons was denied? But it's already too confuse as to achieve any coherent solution. Like LOST.
If you think you might like a show, hit play on episode one, then leave the room/house and do what you need to do,while Netflix continues playing each "next episode" automatically. The metrics will count,and you won't be guilty of getting the show axed. Then, watch it at your leisure.
It's annoying that they cancel shows that people don't binge watch immediately when they don't even bother to promote them. I didn't even know Midnight Club was out until like a month after it released. I never saw a single trailer, or poster, or anything. Didn't see anything official for Umbrella Academy 3 either, I only managed to watch it when it came out because I happened to see a fan post about it online. It feels like Netflix spent their entire advertising budget last year on Stranger Things, which is weird cause surely if any show doesn't need promotion, it's that?
stu has made that point before about how if your not one of like 4 shows on Netflix you just do not get an advertising budget - which given those shows are the most popular shows on netflix feels a tad backwards
The problem is that we have way too much content. At this point it is impossible to keep up with everything that releases. I feel oppressed by the amount of content being poked at me and I end up running into the arms of the old stuff that was made when there were maybe 2 or 3 things on TV that interested me. It actively gives me real anxiety. And I'm not evening covering franchise over-exposure. Star Trek has 5 ongoing series. It cannot be over stated the sheer volume of series that are available. I work full time and don't have enough hours in a day.
I get like this with videogames. Spend weeks deliberating over purchases and end up being so paralysed I don't buy anything. I think there's a biological reason for why some people feel like this, something to do with the idea that the more options there are, the less satisfied you'll be with whatever you choose, even if you did choose the "best" option.
@@gabagool6572 That's a great example. In my case, when I finally buy something I'm disappointed because the video game market is saturated with low effort money pits, Many games are expensive investments that prey on the consumers.and it feels like your playing a very expensive lottery where you end up paying for your own abuse.
@@X2Magneto Absolutely agree. Games are so expensive and so few I feel are truly engaging experiences, I'm very hesitant to buy things even on sale. The majority are a sort of fake-engaging, where you think you're having fun but really you're being made addicted. I think this is at its worst with online competitive games and open world games.
Netflix has always confused me with how they'll cancel or remove great shows but put effort into shows that suck both critically and commercially that or long wait for a follow up like b the beginning was good but took six years for season 2 by that point i moved on.
If I were approached by Netflix to make a show I probably wouldn't do it, because although I can finally make a show, it will also probably be cancelled before it's even released. I actually no longer watch any of the Netflix originals because I don't want to get invested only for it to get cancelled. Them cancelling shows how they do doesn't help Netflix. Also how is initial viewing figures useful for a streaming service? It's a streaming service, the whole point of streaming is that you can watch it whenever and that they have a back catalogue of shows that I can watch on evening, currently Netflix just has a back catalogue of incomplete shows.
It's common with Video games too the more money they cost the less chance of getting a sequel yet they end on a cliffhangers because they expect to sell 5 billions copys in like first month.
I mean with Stranger Things coming to an end after its next season, Wednesday possibly moving to Amazon Prime, and nearly every other potentially long running show being immediately cancelled after season 1, there's not going to be much reason for viewers to stick with them pretty soon
When I said I wanted stories to have an ending, I meant letting the writers tell a concise story and complete the project, not canceling Paper Girls because it wasn't as big as Stranger Things!
I’ve just stopped watching netflix shows when they release I wait a few months to see if they are cancelled and then usually watch them when another season comes out.
Cancelling anything just because it doesn't have high viewing numbers seems stupid to me. Give it time to find it's audience and it may be a big succes..
I was so sad to hear about 1899. I thought the first season was GREAT. It’s such a shame, apparently the directors had the ending already figured out/planned, and they were gonna go with 3 seasons like Dark. I agree, unfortunately the only surefire way to get your story told these days is to just wrap it up in one season… 😑
I maybe part of the problem. Since I started anticipating Netflix cancellation spree I stopped watching new shows, unless I know they're a selfcontained miniseries or have already been renewed. Can't have them waste my time.
I really liked 1899... so this is infuriating for me. And honestly it makes me less invested in netflix as a whole, not more. Because if netflix can do this so often, what use is there to subscribe? I'm not to that level yet but it's starting to make me think just waiting until netflix shows finish and then getting the bluray may prove better than a sub. We'll see.
Sounds to me like it might be time to just let it play a few episodes a day to your empty house. That way you gave them the box office bump they require, and still actually watch it when you damn well please. I'll bet you could even set up a macro to click the button when it asks if you're still watching.
Netflix is destroying culture, I think it was you who said that films and shows go on it, are raved about then they’re gone and forgotten Stu. That’s stayed with me. The sheer volume of content is too overwhelming as well. Most people only have a couple of hours to watch TV per day.
I no longer watch any show unless it has ended or has an ending. Been burned too many times. I’m sure a lot of people feel the same way. Probably why not many people bother with a 1st season of a show. And I certainly don’t start shows that don’t have an ending.
Remember lilyhammer made Netflix it was their first original show and it was the first wildly viewed international show being an American/Norwegian production and was so popular in Norway that even the prime minister of the country watched it and Netflix cancelled it apparently they're taking it off the site entirely such disrespect for their roots.
Just fight fire with fire and cancel your subscription. In my oppinion they never planned making any sequel seasons at all.... They are just fooling their audience
If I ever create a tv series, I would never pitch to Netflix. They have a habit now of cancelling good shows after one season and keeping some 'trash' on there. Unless you go Mike Flanagans route by having only a series that ends after a certain amount of episodes. Theres alot of crap on there. Im actually getting bored of Stranger Things. Im really thankful that they havent cancelled Sweet Home and High Rise Invasion or Aggretsuko (yet). Can the creators bring it to another platform? Is there a legal loophole? Me now finding out Inside Job is cancelled: FFFFFFFFFFFFFUuUUUUUUuck. I love Mike Flanagans stuff but had no idea he made another series since there was no marketing at all like the same with 1899.
I think they take to long between seasons when they do them as well. There needs to be a break absolutely but some shows sort of vanish and then when they do come back its like, oh yeah I watched that before. I have stopped watching anything season 1 on Netflix until I know they are doing more.
I would suggest the opposite, don't watch any Netflix original until and unless the story is reasonably complete. Netflix needs to learn their lesson, there is absolutely no need to support or tacitly encourage their incompetent business model.
wanted to add this to the video: mike flanagan signed a deal with amazon studios to create stephen king adaptations (i think a movie and a series?) for amazon's streaming service. two days later netflix announced the midnight club's cancellation. so netflix is both impatient and petty imo. i will never forgive them for 1899 though.
The binge-release format seems to be at the root of their problem, Netflix execs must love the idea of their new shows having more than a single episode of content available right away, but they'd be making more money from subscriptions and keeping that 'longer lenght = cinematic' concept by releasing episodes in batches of 2 or 3, instead of dumping it all at once and expecting original series to do the same numbers as established franchises (ironically the reason why they shifted focus to adapting popular franchises)
I watched 1899 when it came out and I didn't think it was nowhere near as good as Dark but I was hoping the show would get better as they developed the plot, especially since the first season seems to be mostly all setup. Netflix has really fucked the creative team behind the show with the cancellation.
I hated that they cancelled OA, Master of None and Dark Crystal, these were the kind of shows you would only really see on Netflix if that makes sense? At least for the mid 2010s era of Netflix, they wouldn't have fit in on the other platforms. Oh well... I'm gonna cancel my Netflix subscription, because I don't feel like I watch anything on it anymore, there's no point because it'll get cancelled or deleted eventually
What I hate is when NetFlix puts together an "A" team for the first season (Writers & Director) and if First season is a hit, they replace the Writers & Director with a "B" or "C" team to save money. It’s very obvious that the new (want-to-be) “B” team Writers couldn’t find their ass with either hand.... Mas Triste !!!
Here the thing you didn't look at So tv series that get one season get cancalled (yet have X amount planned) Yet tween stuff like tall girl,kissing booth and the after series get fundings After has 5 books and seems netflix wants to fund them all Kissing booth the NUMBER 1 MOST VIEWED MOVIE has a trilogy But from the critics (youtubers) they all have the same problems and flaws (mean girls but misses the point why it works and twlight but missing the point that that didn't work) So if you want your tv show to work...make it a entire movie and just get that cash from the tween girls (i assume) then make a sequel Btw get tiktok people to bs how "scary" it not is
***Minor spoilers for Alice in Borderland season 2*** - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The show has apparently covered pretty much all the material in the original manga by the end of the second season, so I think the show was always going to end after season 2 anyway (unless they want to write a third season based on original material, which I wouldn't be at all opposed to)
Well this is just sad. My family and I had just finished watching 1899 and the midnight club. We all thought those shows were amazing, with great mysteries and storytelling and characters. Well Netflix drop the ball then
Eventually no one's going to bother watching anything nextflix put out as it will get cancelled. They cancelled Winx but at least it wrapped up sorta well (ye it was bad but it was my bad tv) Thank goodness Ragnarok end
ppl who watch shows later on or so after release are superior anyway cuz by that point the people who worked on it can actually get their fucking residuals through it continuing to be streamed 🙄
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