So, the Final Shape is Over... Now What? 

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“Now we can play the game” - Eric Cartman

“Mah-Sah-Doo” has gotta be the funniest mispronunciations I’ve ever heard lol

I mean theres still 3 build up moments atm. 1. defeating xivu arath 2. Officially defeating savathun. (That bitch is scheming) 3. Defeating the source of the vex. The fallen and cabal are basically scattered races torn apart by the witness and his forces which are both basically our allies now. So i mean theres definitely still a good bit of content to keep the game going and to peak my interest.

The difference between seasons and episodes is episodes will have a conclusion. Seasons all built up to an expansion.

Witch Queen was my last expansion as a " hardcore Destiny player" I have made advances in life that do not allow me to have as much time to play. I finally beat the witness yesterday with people I've been playing with since meeting them on an lfg site for day one vault of Glass in Destiny 1. We are all struggling with what's coming next seeing that everyone is ready to move on from Destiny yet it was the one game that held us together and so we said some pseudo goodbyes to the people that do not meet up in IRL and it was tough.

After a decade of lore, genuine emotion and heartbreak, and some very good loot: we really showed that shape it ain’t final

I tried to tell people when episodes got announced that they were just going to be rebranded seasons. I don't know why people expected differently

We are in the destiny content circle now. Content comes out ➡️ players play the hell out of content and complete everything ➡️ players contemplate existence and wonder why we are in a content drought. Rinse and repeat every year.

Now the elden lord goes to the shadow realm. Till destiny 3 drops

Episodes is just advanced drip feeding

I have several theories, but based on quests and dialogue after beating the campaign and in the side missions I think things are going to go as such. The three echo shards of the Witness are fused with light and dark energy that it warps paracausality, We saw it in full form when entering the pale heart. The Dark pictured the thing, and the light made it real. These echoes are able to take a concept and push it to the extreme based on who held them. The first touched down on the terraformed vex planet of Nessus, it responded to the hard scanned copy of Maya Sunderesh and gave them a physical form. Then this Maya who I'll refer to as (AS) used the shard and her millions of cloned ai to Coerce the Vex under her control. The Radiolaria being the main focal point of this which responds greatly to the echo as it is apart of something ancient like the Gardener and Winnower, essentially meaning not only are Vex able to be converted into their control, but any and all Exos, as Exos' are made of the Radiolaria. As we find a way to get this echo back from AS, we begin to understand that these things can bend and rewrite rules of the universe, akin to taking a pawn, and turning it into a queen in chess. So we make haste to find the next two. The second falls to Fikrul, who needed more dark ether to produce a large legion of Scorn. using their fragment and knowledge we have on their season, it's likely he's found a way to transfuse blood or biomatter from other living things, and mix it with dark ether to essentially mass produce the substance. their goal could be since they are on earth, to make landfall near or around Twilight gap, where millions of Fallen lie dead. revive them with the power and extra dark ether, and then overwhelm the last city in one blood frenzy as all our attention is diverted to the traveler. the final one will land either in one of the two hive sisters hands, or on Oryx themselves on Titan. Seeing as preliminary scans of Oryx's body show it still dead, but accumulating energy and growing, the Shard will be used in their second coming perhaps. Bending the rules of Necromancy to their favor and allowing Oryx to defy the sword logic (i.e. Heresy). so it'l be up to us to try and stop this or keep them sealed within Titan so they can't escape and threaten the city once more. This will probably be a Drifter focused season, as they will be getting some vibes of the 9 going on to warn him about the oncoming disaster. It's plausible that the arrows flying out the traveler showed more than just three shards, as we'll in the next expansion try to obtain the rest of them. In a most recent game of Gambit, Drifter stated "you ever have to eat a hive? you'll be faced with choices like that if you wanna survive out in the frontier." We'll likely be going to the place for the next destiny expansion where drifters crew was wiped out and he fought creatures that could suck the light right out of you as he's regaled to us several times at this point as the echoes, once gathered will probably react to something out on the frontiers of space (i.e. The winnower) leading us to see some wild and truly legendary stuff. Sorry for the massive dump, but these are the threads I've been plucking at as of late based on lore, patterns, and years playing this game. I'm excited to see if I'm right in some way in the coming months.

I don’t even have time to explain why I don’t have time to explain.

They should like, re add all the old campaign and seasonal content, all of it, everything, events, missions, everything. Planets, everything, it all needs to come back. There are so many guns, so many missions and fun activities, if they added everything back, it would be fun to play the ENTIRE CAMPAIGN from RED WAR to FINAL SHAPE.

What I'm hoping for Frontiers is us and our new allies going BACK to their original planets of Riis and Xintar, reclaiming them from Darkness and whatever the hell else is out there. I'd love to see a Darkness consumed Andromeda being healed by a direcy attack by us on whatever the hell did it, besides the Witness. I'm holding out hope that the Episodic format leads eventually to have LESS time gating and waiting. Praying Revenant doesn't force us to wait over 2 weeks for its 2nd act, lol. I've been loving all the content over the years; I started with your 100 games series, and I'm gonna keep watching everything you put out! Eyes up, Guardian. EDIT: I looked up the name of the Cabal planet and it gave me Xintar, whoops! I know it's Torobatl now.

As of right now, episodes don't present enough content to keep people around for all of next year with no expansion and I really hope they know that.

I don’t think there’s any significance to the 12-13 echoes. They show 3 in the epilogue cutscene to signify 3 episodes, but in other places they just talk about a lot - could be hundreds. Maybe some fizzle out, maybe some are future leads. It’s deliberately ambiguous

I think frontiers signifies we will be travelling out to new planets and exploring/discovering completely new things, threats and friends.

I would like it if they touched up Stasis with some new supers, melee's and grenades but that's probably never going to happen (:

I just came back from a break after Lightfall and I’m just taking a nice little victory lap till it loses steam. Not too worried about episodes.

Absolutely loved watching you and Aztecross over the year and will continue doing so! You make excellent content! Here is to whatever the future holds! Cheers! 🍻

Ah... so you feel it too. Was wondering when people would pipe up about having that feeling. I'll be real with you, once the witness was revealed, once the darkness started acting more aggressively post traveller lighting up a few years ago, Destiny lost something. As best as I can describe it, a sense of lingering hopeless dread lurking everywhere. But the more things were revealed and explained, the more I was left feeling like: "Oh..." That isn't to say I haven't enjoyed the ride. The explanations and reveals just lessened how much. For example, when the hive were just spooking, light-eating, guardian-murdering, baddies who made ya fear to go into the dark where they lurked, great. Hive after explanation of their origins (oh... they're victims...I guess), all that atmosphere gone. Quadruple that feeling once the witness was revealed and defeated. I miss the grimdaek feeling destiny had. That pirate season was basically them saying grim dark is gone, lightfall expansion was doubling down of that sentiment. And now, who knows where things are going. TL;DR: I hope what got me into destiny comes back. Whatever feeling that was. Right now I'm hanging on by a thread, and I'd rather not give Destiny the Marvel treatment without a worthy send-off.

My biggest problems with seasons and episodes are they don’t build things to last. I get it’s the “seasonal model” but I would rather us abandon it for content made to last. Perfect example is onslaught, it had nothing to do with the seasonal model, didn’t play a major story role or anything like that. It was just a fun mode to play that had replay-ability. I still play it even though there’s no shinies anymore because it’s just fun. We’ve had years of the seasonal content with things coming and going, bungie should take the time with episodes to either build engaging content or actually update what we have right now. Give strikes & gambit the 3.0 treatment our subclasses got in witch queen. Everyone’s talking about us leaving our solar system but I think they need to focus on what we have first while they have the time before moving to the next adventure. There’s no witness, no savathun, no finale shape or big bad to worry about right now, no new expansion next year to focus on. We’re in unexplored territory, take the time to fix things.

As someone who was pretty much done after Lightfall, I chose to come back and finish up the storyline with The Final Shape. After beating the witness.... I logged off. I don't really have any desire to get back on. That might change, but I feel satisfied with the end I got, and I don't really want to continue with episodes. Again, that might change, but it's been 10 years. Time to move on I think.

I need to complete the campaign on my warlock and my hunter, because my titan right now is not doing a whole lot. The only thing that’s really holding it up is amplified, knockout and consecration. My damage is mad every time and it doesn’t seem like there’s any real clear build that’s optimized like the double nighthawk or the new solar warlock super. Titans have had a lot of stupid things in the past, but I feel like it’s just become like overshadowed by hunters ability to do damage and warlocks ability to support others. I don’t want to turn the titan sub class into unmovable objects or unstoppable force, but can we please try to make it a little more useful in the current sandbox?

If you noticed that the last episode is about the dreadnought and tye Armour set is called the navigator Armour set and we are going to pilot the dreadnought, it may be possible we go to alpha centauri in the dreadnought because it is the most represented star system in the lore

Loved Final Shape. But I'll probably take a step back now, especially with episodes being longer seasons with longer breaks. So I can stop and come back towards the end of an episode. We really need more pvp party games, and I wish to god we had campaign missions in Vanguard strikes. Or some sort of vanguard playlist that revolves around campaign playlists.

Great video, I stare your opinion and outlook. I’m still a Destiny main and hopeful that persists well into the future.

About to watch the video and I'm hoping you touch on some aspect of preservation for D1 and D2. We have lost SO MUCH over the last 10 years and have almost no way to preserve any of it outside of unofficial RU-vid videos. I'm sure it's not high on the priority list for the higher-ups at Bungie, but it truly saddens me that both games could disappear forever as soon as the servers go down. It's unacceptable and we all should be making a bigger noise about it than we are.

Woah i forgot Marathon was a thing til you mentioned it lol

Hadn't thought about it before playing Echoes but I assume the one that turned into a red X is the one that crashed into Nessus.

I love the ending we got instead of the original one. It just feels much more right

The first descendant drops tomorrow so no worries. I'll come back for the crucible

Having episodes instead of yearly expansions has the same vibe as arenanet moving from expansions to seasons with guild wars 2 and then still ending up doing expansions anyway because seasonal content isn't bombastic enough to attract audiences back

We know the final episode heresy is taking us back to the dreadnaught. We also know from the episodes trailer that the universal ornament set for that episode is "the navigator", with the thought being "what if you were the one piloting the dreadnaught?". I'm guessing that's how we will leave the system for frontiers. That could even crash it so we can't get back home soft reseting our stuff if needed though that would probably piss a few people off.

As a Titan main, I'd rather see Titan 2.0 first, then Prismatic 2.0. Make Titans something other than "Fist" and then we can look at addressing our weak Prismatic kit.

I think the plan you laid out makes sense. 3 years of episodes and probably a yearly expansion upto 2028. Give bungie time to release and back marathon and the other game they're developing and then spend like 2026-28 building up D3. In terms of stories we still got: - Xivu to take care of - Savathuns constant schemes - reclaim torabattle for Caital - Reclaim Riis for the fallen - the full process of healing the traveler - all the mysteries of the vex - whats the deal with the nine - possible adventures into parallel timelines - clovis being a madman - the mystery of the winnower - the mysterious light draining monsters drifter once found And I'm sure many more stories and themes that i can't think off the top of my head. -

Senior developer: power creep is an issue, what can we do to fix it? Junior developer: what if we just raised the power level of everything by 5 Senior developer: give this man a raise

im pretty sure the 12 lines branching out from the pale heart are what crow talks about at the end of the story when he mentions scouting missioons. my biggest question... whats the future for raids?

Regarding what you said about power creep, it seems we need another reset like vanilla destiny 2, it was a great way of unveiling a new threat, creating stakes for the story, and decreasing our power to eventually build back up and become stronger. The issue now is that we’ve gotten to a point where we are just far too powerful, and a new enemy completely wiping us out would make no sense.

I feel like the final shape isn’t over until the next dlc drops lol. My title screen still says The Final Shape 🤷🏻‍♂️

At least the eververse shop has new things in it every tuesday 😂😂

I don’t have anything to complain about. The timegating kinda sucks but now I’m just doing other things instead

I like how at 4:55 you get shot by the cloak taking minotaur and you seem to take insult from it and then you're like where is it real quick

Frontiers will just be patrols on new planets for a while until theres a new race

Episodes is just a season but done over a longer time, we had 3 weeks of new content and now it’s over until they decide to continue

this is a good video fall out, this is why you’re my 3rd favorite destiny youtuber

I don't think a new Darkness subclass necessarily needs to be anything super insane to try and top Prismatic because Prismatic in its nature is a completely different beast. I just hope it's as interesting and unique as both Stasis and Strand where when they first came out. Either way, this new Darkness subclass would be implemented into Prismatic anyway. In fact whenever we do get new additions to the other subclasses whether they be new aspects, supers, grenades, etc, they'll probably implement some (or at least shuffle some stuff around) of it into Prismatic. Calling it right now though, the last subclass is most likely going to be some kind of Nightmare power or at least whatever power that creates the Nightmares in the first place.

No way Paul fell for the Mind Goblin 💀

Now what ? “The first descendant”

My take on episodes is it shouldn’t be judged too harshly, atleast echos. When the delay happened everything else was pretty much dropped at the time to work on TFS. That being said the ending was also changed and echos couldn’t start until the end so most likely some story had to be changed in echos to follow the ending. I think revenant will show us what episodes are supposed to be, echos just feels like a time crunch and with TFS out of the way that’s just gonna help revenant and heresy development

I think we all forgot what game we were playing during the final shape.

Now we’re working up the courage to do duel destiny

The magic player in me had to do a double take at 5:20

5:27 We’re also highly likely to keep getting expansions in D2 because I have no doubts that marathon is going to crash and burn at launch.

Imo Narrative wise bungie has to do what marvel didn't: 1. Slow down and allow time for this conclusion to sink in and develop quality content going forward (Episode Echo is their answer to this) 2.defeating the BBEG should be a major plot point going forward (The witness "Echoes" are a good device for this) 3. Making stand alone good stories with possibly a slight thread connecting them that increases over time (we shall see in the future) Sandbox wise: 1.All classes and subclasses should be brought on the same base level (power wise) and that each can be built in various effective playstiles (If we get stronger make enemies slightly more dangerous)(prismatic shouldn't be the stronghest but the most complex and flexible) 2. Bungie should try to create more varied encounters designs.

did the self-proclaimed shotgun guy just say that Someday, our first craftable and only precision frame with enhanced perks that does get the best perks shotguns have to offer, is DOA?

Id love a D3 with major graphical overhauls man. And to somehow manage to allow us to transfer progress over in some way

I think D3 is coming but not soon. If you remember back to the leaker who accurately leaked Prismatic and other story elements of Final Shape, he said D3 is under a codename: Payback and started it's development back around Witch Queen with a super small team and the only concept leaked from that is that D3 is doing away with Classes and now everyone can use whatever they want. I don't remember his name bc it's a bunch of numbers.

I found you recently, but wholly enjoy everything you put out. D2 will have to end someday, but hopefully it does bridge into a D3 or something similar

Non linear and outside the Sol system... Could easily be that we discover new places and each episode is one "planet". You can then contain each story there, starting and ending it.

Idk if anyone else remembers that whole portal on Europa, the one with the vex? Anyway! There was another world on the other end of that portal right? And now we are dancing with the vex again, so may e we venture into their world? Like, we have a weird humanoid vex silhouette in the episode box..... that's where frontiers is gonna be heading. Imo

as a player, I feel weird continuing to play the game. I felt really content with final shape and completing the raid. I don't really have much of a reason to keep playing because why do I need more weapons? why should I grind light levels when the shared light level exists? And episodes are going back to the seasons with random plot points that I honestly don't care about. so i feel like I'm kinda done

Great video as always and you touch on some thoughts I've had myself. Re: power creep, guns like No Hesitation worry me because that gun immediately buries Lumina. Why not give Lumina a damage buff and make it useable? Its already unique and cool. NH is a legendary copy of it. Making things redundant doesnt make sense. Just make more guns fun, deifferent, whacky. Ive love to see a Remnant style Bulldog shotgun, create unique melee weapons, not just swords and glaives. Bungie did mention in the second season that the Fallen Barons were master monster hunters and that sounds super fun! Most mini bosses in the game are hydra, cabal legionaires etc. All familiar. Make some totally new enemy types or monsters to go hunt AND make Briggs minotaurs etc more interesting. that would be cool.

8:00 I actually would prefer individual stories with smaller stakes instead of another fate-of-the-universe type thing. It was cool to do one time, but if they try it again it'll just feel exhausting. Building off the Marvel analogy, look where trying to do that with Kang the Conqueror got them

6:38 that's interesting that the launch of PS6 lines up with Destiny 3s possible release date 🤔

The universe is saved. After 10 years….. I’m tired boss

I think we're not really starting a new saga yet. The first year of Episodes looks more like a "wrap-up" before we move on.

I still have more to do in Final Shape content. Still missing a couple of Exotics! Because of that the first act was fine with me cuz I have so much to do. This next act has to be better though

I thought Someday looked pretty decent for a PvP shotgun - would you take Imperial Decree over Someday every... day?

Much love fallout, keep up the good work and thanks for the years so far

I say make the pairing of weapon traits make a significant addition. like i get a bonus is i have two weapons or more with the same trait

The mind goblin reference lmao

Ship has sailed its final sail

Bring back all the planets and make destiny 2 a sandbox game

The one thing I really want in destiny is forge mode where we can make some of the goofiest things race maps goofy infection drive ramp maps and just make fun goofy maps for the community to make

I'm hoping that frontiers has to do with Saint's vision at the start of this episode, which is to say that we get to leave the sol system

Morty O’Donnell: That’s just seasons with more time gates…

In red war they took the light temporarily/very small. Maybe they they can take that for a season for what they decide but actually take the abilities away for the episode. respawn as normal still that can stay but since we are pretty much God mode maybe have a BBEG could dumb us down. like the crucible version but not entirely and add a bigger twist to shake things up

I was REALLY hoping for a post credits scene kinda like after red war when they showed the pyramid fleet waking up I was a little bummed to see nothing

I honestly don’t mind the episodes being broken up like this. It’s nice to know i can take a break and play other games and not miss anything. Destiny gives me the biggest sense of fomo out of any live service game i’ve ever played

They are going to put all their chips into Marathon at the expense of Destiny. Marathon is going to fail, and without a D3 Bungie dies. Then they come back out of nowhere with a small but dedicated team and give us a amazing D3 in 2029

i want more Drifter/The Nine oriented stuff, maybe the light draining creatures that Drifter and his old Fireteam ran into outside of Sol. Maybe that's what Bungie might mean by Frontiers

Now we can all go home

Still waiting on a Kinetic subclass. Only damage type we don’t have a super for. Probably have guardians being able to make tremors through various abilities. That’s my prediction for the future.

My thing with final shape is that there just doesn’t feel like a lot of content, feel like I did everything it had to offer within the first 2 days of the dlc, all we got after that was the exotic mission and then a gm excision that I see no point in running more than once, kinda sucks that the only new content to look forward to now is just the season 2.0 stuff. The final shape met expectations but it did NOT exceed them. maybe it’s just rose tinted glasses but I feel like with Forsaken I was doing new content for almost 2 months, not only did we have tangled shore we had the dreaming city to explore after the campaign that had a 9 week ascendant challenge rotation, it offered a secret dungeon too! along with new “hidden” exotic quests (wish ender, Malfeasance) along with the many new exotics to find as well.

think I'm gonna miss the momentum seasons had in terms of storytelling. hopefully we still get an expansion or some way to re-anchor the story so they can move everything forward

I think the lore nerds have already uncovered who the next BBEG is: "The Winnower". Who is apparently the guy behind the Witness.

Paul "Mind Goblin "Tassi. Lmao. I saw that.

Power Creep Idea: every Titan has Hazardous Propulsion by default. Game. Solved.

While this first year lays out one Echo per Episode, there's no reason we can't get a lock on two or more at the same time in a future unannounced Episode

I still haven't completed the quest line. Not trying the raid, due to time limitations. I cannot, for the life of me, complete the last steps in the quest for some reason, I just die too quickly. I love this game but if you have a job(s) it's really difficult to keep up with.

We dont need a D3. Weve spent 7 years getting all the same shit from D1 unless they port all the loot you know they'll just give it back at some point and Im over the "oh no your vault was destroyed" bullshit.

9:50 more supers for darkness

They should add a red(dark) subclass that focuses on life leech or spawning spectres. And they should make missions more about advancing through a corridor with more enemies at once

In my eyes there’s still a few things left. Like Xivu and how she may be disconnected to her throne world but still alive. My big story hope for the final shape sadly didn’t happen tho. I kinda thought the witness would almost kill us and then the Gardner would finally step in directly and stop that and then we would get to know more about it… but yeah nope. Getting there maybe by next yearly expansion would be kewl

I know it won’t happen because there isn’t a single person in the world but me that wants it. But a prequel about the iron lords in that era would be awesome

I am so looking forward to revenant, hope Mitrax plays a large part

Still waiting on Leviathan Raids and Scourge of the Past raid to come back after it was vaulted especially since we’ve already paid for them

It feels the same way to me as WoW did at the end of WotLK. Since the end of WC3 we were building up to that moment and from then it kind of turned into baddy of the week. I feel that's where Destiny is. IMO the Witness should have been a final raid at the end of the expansion as Arthas was in LK. Eveything was building up to that showdown. I had a Destiny break at the end of Lightfall due to burn out after being around since the start of D1. That carried into Final Shape and now that I know the big bad from the very very start is gone I have no interest in returning. As far as I'm concerned that's a full stop on Destiny. Thanks for the ride and the memories.