So Thomas Astruc Did An Interview And I Have Some Thoughts... 

It's me ! 😊❤❤

You should start your Season 2 retrospective reviews soon.

I like to think of Cerise Bianca as like the Eddie Brock of that universe there and hopefully not really an older teen version of Manon (just "NO." I do not want that) Hopefully we'll get more background history on her when she and Felix are the main antagonists (alongside each other, similar to how Mari and Adrien are except the main screen focus is on them for now until the series finale and give it back to them again later on)

Oh please no. I don't want the show to be done with Chloe (who I see as like the Flash Thompson of that universe there) it's bad enough Thomas Astruc wants to kill her off in a plane crash after being kicked out of Paris and losing everything she had I would just feel sick for Astruc instead of her and it would be even more of a waste of her redemption arc there and I really wanna see a butting rivalry between a redeemed Chloe there and Felix (similar to the rivalry between Marinette and Cerise there before)

Please change Astruc. And I do mean "FOR THE BETTER HERE!!!!" 😡

poor Adrien 😭😭

@@GachaAracne He deserves better!! 😡

@@Im_aMEIzing He really does!!

Utterly ridiculous....😅 ugh..poor adrien. I hope Jeremy isn't like them well the movie explains he isn't. 😅 he might like adrien unlike them.

@@SweetSentiLight101 If we're lucky, Jeremy Zag might be the only fan of Adrien 😭

But Thomas Astruc very much prefers if we call it "Miraculous Ladybug" because he made it very clear to us that Adrien/Cat Noir is irrelevant to him and will always be beneath him.

Yep! He never lets Adrien takes the spotlight

Thing is, even if adrien gets an episode focusing on him, it'll circle back to marinette in the end (i.e. Party crasher and kuro neko)

@@nevaehhamilton3493 The male lead is purposeless and the female lead is an insufferable, terribly-written asshole. What a duo.

Then why did he make his father the main villan why his birth was the reason of Emily s death seriously astric

Yea. I'm sure they are messing with us.😊

And he used to get screentime outside of Marinette's pov in the oldest episodes. We used to get his pov.

Exactly!

Like, i ain't a big Adrien fan myself, but dang this was just cruel.

Ikr like how are you gonna include him Since the beginning and include him with ladybug posters in season 1 day bue but then say he isn’t a main character 🤦🤦‍♂️

I swear, over the years, they’ve grown to *hate* Adrien’s character. If you don’t like it, _CHANGE IT_ !!!!! If you’ve got 12 seasons, you’ve got enough time (but not enough patience apparently) to slowly change his character. *IT’S NOT THAT HARD!!!!!* Too much? Sorry.

@@AriesDZDon’t worry, it’s not too much. This is very much needed in fact

@@AriesDZ i personally think its not enough. I would've gone totally apeshit about it, but i can't type long on mobile

Yeah it's not like he played a big part in the show or his hero name is in the freaking title... same for his father being the main villain during 5 seasons. All that make him a secondary character or a cameo 😂 Geez the executive have no respect for Adrien's fans. Also, if he don't like the character; he can change his personality. If he has ideas for 12 seasons, i think he can have some for Adri.

I’m in it for the memes and that’s saying something about this show.

If season 6 flops I’m out this bitch

AGREED They need to know when to stop a show. Winx Club couldn't do it, and look at the fandom! I would've wanted a main show of 6-8 seasons (ONLY if they keep the tone of the CB and the Paris Special), a spin-off on the NY heroes a spin-off with a major time-skip (maybe to the time that we've seen in season 4) a spin-off with Master Fu \ the life of a guardian that trained in Tibet, with Fu (maybe we could see the heroes they mentor?) the list could go on and on, but I'd MUCH rather have multiple spin-offs with different perspectives on the show's characters and lore than have a never-ending main show that already dragged out so many plot points.

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I’m not in it for the long haul. Dropped after Season 3 I simply was vaguely curious about where the show went because I heard about insane happenings in Season 5.

Bro I doubt he's blaming them because executives can be twats as well

Exactly!! He even said how Felix wasn’t a good character yet the fandom likes how he was as a villain & was mysterious to move the plot along. Thomas replaced Felix to Adrien as the main character

Agreed! why include him in the title? Just call it Miraculous. Chat Noir is her sidekick anyway😒

Not even so. In the Barbie movies Ken does things 😂 he's still seen as barbie's equal even when she has all the answers and even then she makes mistakes and he's there for her. At this point my baby boi is a ragdoll that needs to be there because merch.

Even Ken has a bigger role than adrien does

Exactly, they just said oh for safety because he knows the identity of ladybug and cat noir, alya knows ladybug and monarch was pretty sure he knew that and she didn’t leave. He was one of the main people even being featured in the love square with marinette, kagamai and adrien. Now his whole plot and arc is just completely wasted

⁠​⁠​⁠@@NotValsThere’s still hope. He was traveling before and in the final battle before HM’s wish, he came back with Jagged, Penny, and Fang. He clearly had some interesting experiences, and got taught by Grand Master Su Han and I’m hoping we get an episode or two dedicated to his experiences living away from his mother and sister, Jagged and Penny’s relationship, and how they all interact, as well as his feelings anout leaving, and what he wants with his future. I don’t remember if he was included in the scene at the end of the last season 5 episode, but I think he’s still back in Paris (hoping.) I wanna know if he wants to keep traveling, found somewhere far away he wants to live, if he missed Paris, or if home is where the heart is. And which heart? His mother and sister, or father and Penny? Will they al decide to stay in Paris and form a tight family unit, will their parents be willing to do that? Since Juleka also finally got some development I’m hoping they’ll develop that entire family more as characters, like have Luka open up to Juleka, have him help Marinette in her search for the broach, just bring him back and give him relevance again. I’m not really expecting anything outstanding, but I hope he comes back, tells Adrian the truth, and helps Marinette so he can have plot relevance, and something the writers worked for can pay off. I want Juleka to get a bit more too, but I’m doubtful.

Exactly 😅

@@NotVals i think it was bc Luka knew both but idrk, wish they'd explain

Yes it's like learning from the show he made 😭😭😘😘

I mean France is known for that sort of thing so...

Fr

Least hateful Cloé stan

@@eleonorepb4565 how did yk I stan her 🐝

*_EXACTLY!!!!!_*

oh it’s quite simple it’s just because thomas wants to hate on her more.

Well we don't know that yet

@@hannahbarley97 punching bag 👍

Because Mary-Zoe is utterly useless without Chloe.... So they need her back and become punching bag dor narrative instead of just added another dumb-bad bitch to be Lilawhateversheis fav slave 🙄

3. What's that even supposed to mean? You are the creator, you could have given her a reason to change during Season 4 but he didn't and instead make her more evil by making her a dictator. No one is forcing you to write this besides you.

​That guy is straight up lying, he admitted once that he actually hates chloe and doesn't want her redeemed @@KgEclispe252

Agreed 💯

Hell would be too good of a word to describe Season 6.

Saying André is more abusive than Audrey or Miss Tsurugi is wild.

Foul 😭

Well it said that Astruc was only involved as a writer and storyboarder for seasons 4 and 5 and, from season 6 onwards, it looks like he's not going to be involved at all beyond unspecified 'consultancy' work.

Me too

We ALL thought that was the case. 😔

​@@keelinstafford1459ngl, that doesn't make me feel better about it. 😭

I'd believe it honestly. Well that, and the fact that they REALLY want every single person in this fanbase to hate Chloe just as much as Thomas does, because they KNOW how popular she is to so many. So why not keep character-bashing her? For the views, am I right? 🙄😂...😭

​@@miss_chelles1338I believe he does it at this point for spite to get back at her fanbase.

atleat she isnt mean like cloie

@@tikasrul2884 Zoè is just as important any other side character she a nice person in Marinette's friend group who uses a miraculous and taking her out of the show is just as easy as taking out characters like Marc, Sabrina,Nathaniel ,Ivan, Rose and so on do and also do all just call characters you do not like mary sue First Marinette, Zoè if that's case you might as call any other character a mary sue

@@Owell_Owl Honestly all them Hoe's need to go not just Zoe...if Marinette is sooooo alone make her alone !

Agreed I’m done watching this garbage. Season 5 was the worst and most of it was done just to spite Chloe and that is bad writing and the guys personal hatred and vendetta against her is really cringe. At this point she’s just taking worse abuse than Starscream. He’s made her into the Starscream of Ladybug.

Thank god for the movie.

Or you can watch the movie since it accomplished the plot's checkpoints in just 2 hrs

@@BeesBees-bj4qv While better, it was terribly rushed.

We kinda got that in the form of the movie😄😅

To be fair he didn’t work on the show on season two and probably wanna cover the fact the same writers wants good character writing

Thomas Astruc is a gaslighter and victim blamer. He uses the same tactics that real life abusers use in order for us to accept defeat and back down. He's literally no better than Chloe in that regards if he's gonna go out of his way to be a pathetic cyberbully.

​@@Yami-mugoni613 the freaking liar also said that Chloe was always meant to be a terrible person.

@@nevaehhamilton3493 he definitely meant chole to be a terrible spoiled brat but the writer of season 2 has common sense

@@nevaehhamilton3493 Yep! He reverted Chloe because he can’t handle people who like Chloe over his precious Mary-Sue.

that makes.. a lot of sense

@@ryukzluv if you wanna know what Thomas Astruc thinks about the show *and Chloe* before all this, go search for a video called “The Dark Side of Miraculous Ladybug”

I'd would not say he is absolute self insert just a little but marinette is an imaginary insert

@@Owell_OwlOh he didn’t really self insert there…..but he absolutely did in a season 3 episode Animaestro

@@sailorwinxknighTronic837 well i would the fictional version and if i could i would the real person in a river because he is kinda mean

I agree! This is so disrespectful and cruel! Shame on the executive for saying that! He has no respect for the character or Adrien's fans (I like Chat noir, give him more attention writers!)

@@ladypool1404Exactly!

@@ladypool1404 I'm pretty sure Adrien and Chat Noir are the most favourite characters from the show so they really are messing it up.

I agree ❤

Astruc really is trying his hardest to make Gabriel sympathetic while ignoring the son of the family. This is giving me Helluva vibes with the way they neglect Octavia

To be fair, you don't play Foosball the way you play Soccer

Yes

I'd call it quits and start writing a goodbye note to my friends and family before ending it all if that ever happens.

@@nevaehhamilton3493 cool

At this point she will 💀

I wouldn't mind her being written as a misunderstood Anti-Hero who's just seen as a villain there just like Felix since I like to see her as like the Eddie Brock of that universe there to me here

He doesn't even hide it anymore. No normal person reacts like this to a character if it wasn't personal. Also ironic he says that but a literal terrorist can be forgiven

"Reliable source" pffff it's completely false but okay XDD

@@mimiquoi7380 If that's the case, I'm surprised; the man isn't against basing characters on people he knows.

@@mimiquoi7380 I do remember him stating that in an interview. Others claim that he admitted it in a now deleted tweet from 2018. But to be real the hate he gets for Chloe is a tad bit too much it's just like Chloe's toxic behavior. But in my opinion he could prove his "some people never change" point through Lila 1000 times better because she was actually given chances and never actually changed where Chloe actually did.

Source: trust me bro

@@sofia7816 I can totally understand this. And the fact they replaced felix with adrien......🙄🙂‍↔️🙂‍↕️

Yas 😮

Why the person who hired want him fired when the series is so successfull worldwide ? On the contrary the france channel are really happy about him and give him more power over the creation of the series, it was stated by himself

@@mimiquoi7380 because he's the reason the series' plot is inconsistent. He's the reason we have seen many character assassinations, or undeserved redemption arcs. Thomas tries to blame the characters for their actions when he's the one who created them. He's the one who has the power to change them for the better, but chooses not to, and keeps inserint his own malice into the show. The shows global success doesn't mean its good story wise, when we were kids it was our fav show. And we continued to watch it because of that.

@@_.xhoneybabyx._3946 Exactly!

the thing w Lila may have been hard to write in a way to establish the character and her backstory and bring in her motives or smthn

atp i expect her to work with lila like how natalie worked with gabriel because theres no way of her character being redeemed since everyone hates her

That has nothing to do with feminism wtf

@alcidedragon I think their point is more along the lines that a real feminist ally probably wouldn’t frame a clearly abused girl as irredeemable, especially when it’s been established that she has a lot of potential to be redeemable. A feminist also probably wouldn’t glorify and sympathize with abusive, power hungry men the way Astruc seems to love to with characters like Gabe and Andre, when women who are just as terrible are framed in a clearly negative light as they should be, like with Audrey and Tsurugi.

@@cassiyahsmith9940 Wich girl has been abused ?

@@alcidedragon Chloé By her own mom Did you watch the show ?

@@MusicalFreak812 She was neglected not abused

Poor adrikins❤😢

At this point, I would like yo see Adrien turn to the Dark Side after he learns the truth about his father and Ladybug's lies.

Me too but I doubt that'll happen. He'll get a little upset, help defeat the bad guy of the episode, and then apoligize to her for getting upset and then he'll probably say that she never did anything wrong and that'll be the end of that. Back to being a goofy loyal sidekick

Adrien does diserve better. Since he got his ring back if they don't give him the screentime to show how he discovers himself and becomes stronger more mature with as much experience as ladybug it's gonna fall apart for me.

@@user-cc3le7tz6z same

They think a 14 y.o be redeemed is "too unrealistic", at the same time, they put that 14 y.o herself to be a freaking tyrannical mayor, as if it was possible a child be the mayor in France. See their logic? Lol

And apparently making a 14-year old a major of city with power of president/dictator of country is more "realistic"... (I hate episode with Chloe-major.)

The series probably would have been more interesting if Chloe had been the main character.

Maybe because he doesn't want to spoil anything 😮so he's feeding us with lies 😅

@@SweetSentiLight101 ... So your saying he's gotten on the Lila lying out his ass disease!

Despite that a lot of publicity and merchandise treated her as a full hero.

Either way, I STILL want her to get akumatized SOME day. The writers CANNOT pass up on that opportunity.

There are ways around it she might not be wearing the earrings I've seen a lot of fanfics where she takes the earrings off either because they were stolen or because she had to take them off like her PE or something and the story I wrote when she get akumatized it's in her yo-yo

I Want Her To Get Akumatized Into Miss Fortune When She's Ladybug!

@@spongebobthespinel I think that's the name I use but I have to double-check because I use princess Justice when she was Marinette and later I did Lady heartless because she was heartbroken

@@iamsherlocked7448 I'm Not Sure If Her Akumatized Name Is Lady Heartless I Think It Might Be Dark Bug Or Lady Dark But The Fans Might Still Call Her Miss Fortune!

Yeah the Moster High live action has me scared that they might do a live action Reboot for Ever After High

And what about "Saban's Power Rangers" which is something Lionsgate could do with the original show or Netflix like with "One Piece" since they released the animated movie on there before?

Live action Monster High looked awful.

@@romanov3937 There's actually a live-action remake about that there?

He been akunatized for years

​@@deondrex18k Agreed 💯 they should've gotten rid of him from the writing long ago after season 5 ended

@@deondrex18k Agreed! They need to fire him

NAHHHH I’m literally dead with this comment

Or maybe they can make it separately all about Chat Noir. So we can get to see how much Adrien has progressed after he got his lifeline aka ring back. We can use Felix, Kagami, Alex and Luka. These are kinda really powerful ones though. For ones not having Alya and Nino would be kinda refreshing honestly like make them restricted because of Lyla or something. Alya having tikki and saving Marinette with Chat Noir sounds old and feels boring. Just my opinions though cuz I wanna see everything new. More logical and with stronger emotional arcs of transformation.

@@user-cc3le7tz6z That’s actually a _much_ better idea!

I Just Hope To See Miss Fortune In Season 6!

@@user-cc3le7tz6z Look at this point they've already done two time travel fake outs where it all gets erased, there really was no excuse to not have done this.

If they do, they really need to write it such that everything leads up to it. As in, write it such that, canonically, Chloe growing to hate Ladybug ended up being the thing that put her in her current position. Having lost everything she once had. And they write that as what causes her to turn back to the side of good.

No they are going to ruin it again unless the whole team is replaced or smth they ruined so many chances

​@@he_who_has_no_name Thomas Astruc has full creative control over the show. He'll never do a Chloe redemption arc, no matter how many people try to write a decent one.

I'm not trying to write one. I'm just saying, if it's written, this is how it needs to be done.​@@nevaehhamilton3493

​@@nevaehhamilton3493Chloe deserves to be part of a better show like Ben 10: Alien Force, Adventure Time, Amphibia, Infinity Train, Mob Psycho 100, Inside Job, Bob's Burgers, BoJack Horseman or The Midnight Gospel.

Dude, you honestly should

@@splendisdude the foundation is already there all it needs is character development and better writing and that’s literally it.

hire me as a writer i could help make an amazing show i have at least 3 billions ideas and storylines flowing through my braincells, veins, and eyelashes!

Don't worry, I'll assinate thomas

Do you really think Disney will do that given some of the executive decisions they've made in the last decade?

Like he's literally a director for a popular show for a country. Success is the best revenge he doesn't need to take it out on a fictional character

@@KgEclispe252 I know that's why he's hurting himself mentally even more ruining his own reputation and close to life. What a shame.

The series probably would have been more interesting if Chloe had been the main character.

@@JuniorGustabo Yes I agree with you because Chloe's character is a lot more interesting than Marinette and it would definitely save the entire series.

Those company doesn’t care about anything they just wanna the money so that’s why I dick they added agenda to their show

And because it would be cool, I know it won't happen.

@@_Barbiezzzz_ I don't think she'll get the miraculous back but she may become better after seeing that scene at the end of revolution where she cried

I like to think of Cerise as like the Eddie Brock of that universe there here thank you very much here

I like to think Lila/Cerise as like the Eddie Brock of that universe there to me here thank you very much here

@@hunterrousseau3770 🥺🥺❤‍🔥❤‍🔥

Nah. The trust had been broken. What is stopping them to undo it later like they did for the first one? I don't trust them to handle anything now, because the possibility of erasing any character's arc is on the table forever.

@@lou9635 Fair, but if there were to be a chloe redemption arc coming I would at least still watch with skepticism

We definitely need more storylines from other characters with marinette taking more the backseat like in Episodes Hack San and Gabriel Agreste

Dam...like why would they mess his character that we love and not let alone fix it?😂 that's just stupid.

Ezra teased

@GabeNwagbala wait.. He teased us? He's playing with us...well where is the proof?

@@SweetSentiLight101 instant on his post

Exactly! The miraculous movie did it way better

"THAT'S STUPID!! YOU'RE STUPID!!! *STOP BEING STUPID!!!!"* -Frieza (dbza)

I don’t think so, but I respect your opinion.

If that was true, that would be the best plot twist of the show.

​@@randompeanut1156 Let's hope that's not the case there

If that theory proves to be false, I’m going to laugh at you

There is precedent for that-early 2000s animated shows would have directors, writers, or staff animated in as background characters or for cameos. That said-I am still new to the social media and fan discourse of Miraculous (I avoided it for spoiler reasons) and I haven’t heard anything good about the guy.

@@FlutterberryDraws yea like mari had hers in truth...

the writers had to fight the executives just to get Lies approved

I swear they just want Chloe to suffer because Thomas hates that Chloe is still getting sympathy. Keep in mind despite Chloe horrible portrayal in 4 and 5 many people blame the writers on making her that way since she had a redemption arc going but Thomas didn’t want that

Both Chloe haters and defenders wanting her off the show really speaks volumes about how badly Thomas screwed up with Chloe. The haters want her off because they don’t like her, while the defenders want her off because they can’t stand seeing her fall further and further.

Chloe deserves to be part of a better show like Ben 10: Alien Force, Adventure Time, Amphibia, Infinity Train, Mob Psycho 100, Inside Job, Bob's Burgers, BoJack Horseman or The Midnight Gospel.

Maybe because we were outraged to find out that Astruc was PLANNING THAT KILL HER OFF IN A PLANE CRASH BEFORE THAT SEASON EVEN STARTS YET THERE!!!! 😡💢

Maybe the Supreme? Maybe some brand new character introduced in a later season? Hell, maybe they just fully pull the trigger on villain Chloe.

How about a Dr. Doom type of villain who uses super science and wants to extract the power of the miraculous for their own gain?

​@@Xanegoh to be fair gabe kind of did that allredy in season 5

Ikr

Chloe was probably the character that feels the most human in the show.

@JuniorGustabo honestly no. I know most people don't charge therir ways and thats fine but this is a show, things can be a little "unrealistic" and you can't tell me that season 5 chloe is "the most human"

@@LitaliCat I was talking about the early seasons. I agree that Chloe was a bad caricature of herself in season 5 and that the writers could have done more with her character.

Here's the recap (since you said you were salty about Chloe, I'm assuming you left off on season 3). New York special: The duo goes to New York and meets new superheroes. Cat noir was meant to stay in France, but Adrien had to go, so he went anyway, and paris gets destroyed (this doesn't last long, though), and Robin parody (her name is sparrow) gets the eagle. Season 4 Chloe has a half-sister named Zoe, I actually don't hate her that much, but her whole character is: being nice, being a replacement bee superhero, and that she's not Chloe. Chloe can turn people into bananas for an episode. Hawkmoth fixed the peacock and became shadowmoth (what has to do with peacock, idk). Ladybug can make magic charms apparently and gets a new lucky charm outfit. Oh, also, there's a new guardian character who broke into her house, but he littleraly just causes conflict and then jumps away in season 5 (he comes back in the finale). Oh, I forgot Marinette and Luka/Adrien and kagami date in the New York special, then break up in the first two episodes, respectively. Also, thanks to Felix, Shadow Moth gets all of them except the ladybug and cat.

Recap 2. Season 5, the love square reverses and finally ends with Adrien and Marinette dating (still don't know their identities). Lila isn't really Lila. It turns out she's some misstress of disguise with an evil lair. Season 4 stuff I forgot) (I forgot to mention Alya knows Marinette is ladybug. Shadow Moth tried to send her family into space, and in the finale, she's no longer the fox user. Back to season 5, Natalie gets a redemption, Felix kills the whole city but brings them back (or was that season 4). Chloe takes over paris and is meaner than before, treating Sabrina like a slave and locking her in the closet. Also, apparently, she was a psychopath who used Kim (who Marinette had a crush on long ago) to prank her by causing her to fall off the dive board with spiders. She gets banished from paris, and ladybug and cat noir can now use their powers without transforming back. Finally, the final episodes Felix puts on a show revealing to Marinette that he, Kagami, and possibly Adrien are sentimonsters and that Mr. Agreste is Monarch (oh, that's his new name). But Marinette forgets this and rediscover this in the finale, speaking of which, Marinette infiltrates the Agreste mansion to talk to Mr. Agreste about her love for Adrien, Adrien is locked up in London, and that's it for him, plagg flies back to France with the ring, long.story short Marinette unified the Ladybug and cat and finally defeats hawkmoth. Only to sympathize with him and get frozen. Mr. Agreste asks her to tell make sure Adrien never knows he is a terrible person and sacrifices himself to save Natalie. And he gets remembered as a hero despite all the awful stuff he did. Also Lila got the butterfly

By the way I’m in no way saying that cuz ppl try to change that they can’t revert back to their old selves but the show did it in a way that was rushed and didn’t make enough sense to the viewer😭