So We Had a Chat with Colossal Order & Paradox About Cities Skylines 2 

if the simulation, the core game, is not fixed, no matter how many assets and detailing mods are added, the game will continue being a great-looking city painter, not a city simulator

It's weird seeing rooftops and trees covered in snow but vacant lots and backyards devoid of it.

I am glad that the Paradox team is engaging with the community to get the game into a state that it should have been in when it launched, and not just shutting down the studio. *Cough cough* take two *Cough chough*

I had CS:1 sitting in my library for a couple of years, but Biffa's city fixing videos are the reason I reinstalled CS:1 and for whatever reason, I was addicted like never before. To see him dealing and fixing with the same troubles I was running into in my own cities, made me want to get back into the game and test all of his ideas (yeah LANE MATHS, I'm looking at you). And then other youtubers came with their ideas, I learned about road hierarchy, how to build crazy interchanges that ACTUALLY made a difference in overall traffic, I learned how to use rail to move and spread goods to the rest of my city, the traffic mods, the assets... It was a sandbox where you could TEST your creativity rather than a simple city builder. And then CS:2 came along and NOTHING of the above makes a difference. You cannot test stuff, because you can hardly fail. It doesn't matter if a major intersection is clogged because the industry is going to function as nothing happened. CS:2 reminds me of one of those strange dreams, not a nightmare, not a pleasant dream either, where anything makes sense, you think you are controlling the story of it, but in the end it just a distant mix of memories of your past experiences stitched together by a sleepy brain.

It's so sad. In 2013 they rescued us from the Sim City 5 debacle, just to become the villains themselves, in the very same way.

Games are hugely complex and while I understand Biffa's "priority" as someone that does a lot of city landscaping, I hope Colossal Order doesn't get the wrong impression that the management part of the game is less important. Personally much rather have their focus be in game mechanics then assets. Sure assets are great to make beautiful cities, but I need the management side much more and CS2 has a lot of potential on that side that still needs a lot of love. I guess this is where it gets hard, as everyone and their dog may have slightly different consideration what they think is important. I'd argue that the simulation part, which includes the challenges mentioned in the video about traffic and production chains, etc. are crucial for the city build part. But again I recon my manager heart bias.

I don't really see what the sense of this meeting was. They now have like 8 month of community feedback on steam, reddit, etc. You said yourself that none of your feedback came as a surprise. We want to see change, big fixes and content. To me, it sounds like a playable CS2 is still years away. It was just oversold way too much before release. If it was released as a beta the community would have been more understanding. But man, look at the snow that is just pure white colour and then look at the snow at Manor lords. Look at the way it dissolves in spring. Why can one guy do such a better job then 30 people?

Thank you kindly. It sounds like a productive meeting. Especially as they included people familiar with both city painting and city building styles of play.

The biggest setback I think the sequel had was indeed in the parks. You'd think they'd pick back up the idea of parks being zones from the first game, and improve on it. Instead we are back to "square" Heck, the "industries" things you can draw out. They are a good basis. Just let us populate those with special buildings inside it more. To make it look like it's not just a ground texture.

Thanks for the update on whats going on Biffa.

What I understand listening to you is that they are doing the research work that they should have done way before starting development.

I agree with the traffic fixing and turning vehicle despawning off. It's one of the things I really enjoy in CS1. I'm glad you brought that up.

I think you nailed it when you said "the challenge is gone", referring to traffic and industry. That's definitely what made the game not last for me since there's no way to fail. I really liked the challenge of building but that broke traffic somewhere and then you had to figure out a way to make it work. For me detailing has always been secondary. Like, when you have a district that's working properly and you know you don't have to fix it for a while - then I'd do detailing to make it feel nice.

Now that you listed the things, I realized why I didn't feel like playing CS2, but loved CS1 - traffic and solving traffic challenges. That's it. My cities look the same, I rarely detail anything, I just make them functional and optimize traffic (including pedestrians and cyclists, and public transportation). I get the fulfillment from having "perfect" traffic in a city of 100000 cims. When CS2 gives me that feeling, I'll be playing it.

They should have a mode where stuff costs as much as in real life. So to build a mile of highway, you'd have to spend 5 million credits... I'm sure this will be quite the challenge.

Interesting Biffa - I'm indeed hoping that the game is going to improve like CS1 did. Thanks to you, Egg and CPP for doing the interview

The way Biffa speaks, putting things into categories, his ability to absorb information and pass that on to us and that he had a spreadsheet for traffic fixes, I’d say he was definitely a manager or senior manager in a previous life.

Thank you agreeing to take part in this, it is good to know knowledgeable people took part in it. One thing to add to the list, while fixing the zoning, add the tool to manipulate zoning as well (Same as in CS1), basic add/remove/one side/both sides.

I'm waiting for node controller, and traffic manager. Intersections in this game need a mod to not only make them look better, also to build a better traffic network. I hate seeing vehicles travel in one lane and then switch the other lane right before they make a turn. It ends up with all vehicles doing this blocking both lanes when they cant turn.

You just reminded me of something else. So the crosswalk situation. The remove crosswalk function removes crosswalks from an entire half length of a road if done at a junction, removing the crosswalk at the other end removes crosswalks from the entire road, then you cant place a crosswalk in the centre because the remove crosswalk function overrides you trying to. This is because the node lengths are now longer so you physically cant in built up areas remove crosswalks from junctions and have the crosswalks in between junctions like you would have sometimes irl. This is a simple fix just allowinjg path crosswalks to override the remove crosswalks function, or somehow make the remove crosswalk function only remove the crosswalk itself instead of banned the entire road from having them.

IF there was one fix Paradox could make immediately for me it would be to have my cims use my parks. Play soccer, run the track, bring their dogs, walk through the plazas, watch a show... instead the only activity is a trash can fire and some tents.....

To be fair. It was - for me at least - mods that made C:S1 fun playing. Which is why I find it odd that they didn't go through the most popular mods on Steam Workshop and go "okay, let's make sure these are part of our base game" And then also include at least the highlights of the expansions from the original game. Like industry. The current C:S2 industry feels like it's a placeholder for something they'll sell us down the line... at least C:S1 industries was "something" that felt intentional at release.

Thanks for being community's ambassador and articulating our problems.

I truly hope they add bikes as part of the base game and not as a DLC, cause at this point they ran out of good faith to pull off something like that.

In my brutally honest opinion the game should still be early access at a reduced price. Sorry, but if they're still talking about patching this and fixing that seven months after release then simply the game wasn't and still isn't complete. Long gone are the days that you bought a finished game on a CD that didn't need fifteen patches to "fix" something. The gaming industry at the moment, to be perfectly blunt, is on its arse. Developers have become so comfortable with "Release now, fix tomorrow" and it's a complete joke at this point. To quote someone that I've long forgotten: "You wouldn't buy a car today and have them come out to fit the seats next month"

One thing I've noticed about the different style of gameplay with people is that it seems to be City Painter versus City Simulator. CS2 seems to be *currently* the base for a City Painter, because as you mentioned, a city can just grow with only a single pedestrian access. The income flow is hand held by government subsidies, removing money management. Traffic doesn't matter, it's there, but has no economic impact. CS2 should be capable of both, because both are fun!

Genuine question.. If they said they were really not happy in the condition it released, then why did they go ahead and release it anyway?

I will keep waiting on that game until I can get mods and play the game without having to do a paradox account just for them to be able to siphon data they just do not have a right or need.

CS2 needs to have modular building mechanics. This can be utilized into service buildings, supply chain and factories, consumer buildings such as shopping malls, airports and stations. Can have different styles and shapes cater to different peoples tastes. Modders and asset creativity can jump on this idea and flurish it. Thx

I think they need to completely stop worrying about 'adding' anything. They need to fix the simulation - full stop. As it stands right now, none of your decisions matter, which removes the entire point of playing for a vast majority of the people that enjoy these games.

I'm posting this with no hate and please take it as the constructive observation it is intended to be. I bought, pre-ordered, CS2 because you, and CPP, were so positive about it in the build up to its release. There was no indication despite hearing how you'd got to experience the game play ahead of times of the problems we've since had. While I'm sure there are lots of very valid reasons for this, the state CS2 was shipped has in my eyes tarnished yours and CPPs impartiality of the game and while I really do appreciate your content and the updates in this video I hope you can see how their delivery or lack of, undermined your status as a brand champion of the game. I really do hope that the game improves so I can feel you're more than a paid voice piece. (I use that phase very loosely but hope you understand where I'm coming from. To give a little more insight, recently you played Manor Lords. Before the CS2 release just watching you say it was good would have been enough to toggle over to the Steam store; this is how much I valued your opinion. This time I spent several hours looking for other creators to see if they'd had the same opinion of the game as you before buying it.

I'm super glad you were involved in that conversation! These past few years, I have dedicated a lot of time & money into gaming. Games that I loved~ only to be met with disappointment after disappointment. I'm sure I am not the only one, as evidenced by the community's response. This can be a learning experience, the unfortunate, down-side is that, no matter how companies try to "smooth things over" it all still "feels icky". Like we are in a perpetual state of being taken advantage of. That feeling will not just go away by talking about it. Where money is involved, there is very few second chances given, if ever. I can forgive a friend, how can I forgive someone (thing) that tells me, they understand, yet would make me pay for another chance??? What chances could be expected??? So, yeah, you're right. apologies are no longer an option. that would be just as useful as complaining about a community reacting horrifically to a highly anticipated thing, that was as broken as CS2 was at launch. This is the way things have been for a while now, while CO & Paradox are not to blame for these trends, they ARE culpable for following suit. That is an NOT innocent "aw shucks" moment to us, it is the trend that makes all customers tools & all business good as long as both are profitable. That is what we are all angry about. AS we should be... CO/Paradox, if you are honest with yourselves, what IS your goal here??? To make customers a product that will make them happy, or is it to make money on a product that you KNEW would NOT, to meet financial goals? This has been asked before, and there is still no answer, which generally indicates more truth than fiction. I dunno, I really don't like feeling harsh, and have a very low threshold (these days) for consistently feeling more exploited than gratified. there is never going to be a dollar amount that will erase that feeling. It seem too much to expect that there are still companies left that actually build a product that isn't about profit over function. anyway, more wasted time writing to an para-social entity that can effect my mood. on to the actual lawn... Thanks again Biffa, for the forum to express these "feelings". We appreciate your commitment to CS2 & to change.

Great video Biffa! For me, the way the emergency vehicles work when responding is odd. One problem is that my city has great fire coverage, but still other city fire trucks are responding. Also, if 2 houses are on fire, the 2nd house burns down cause the fire truck won't go around to get to it. They also always get stuck in traffic, making the lights and sirens pointless.

This game just needs to run like water with 2 million sims on any system. It needs the train station assets. A little more land still. Differing service buildings ....i agree. And a new improved Airports DLC. Then im quiet and playing everyday for the rest of my life

An idea for making the progression more challenging or better realism (with differing settings that affect cost multipliers and or when government funding starts to run out), you could have federal funded buildings that provide a basic coverage but it gradually gets more expensive as you level up (for power water and sewerage, it could have a base to cover excess at a cheap rate then ramps up so you can’t just rely on outside sources), to prevent that you can upgrade it to one of the related basic unlocked service buildings, i.e “Rural practice” upgrades to the “Clinic”, “Sherifs office” upgrades to the small police station, “volunteer firefighters” upgrades to small fire station, “Small refuse station” could upgrade to the garbage, “Funeral home” could act as a storage/ export instead of having to place so many crematoriums (leaving the option open to level them up/ upgrade them for higher capacity), i also feel there should be a basic council office that lets you have some control over lower level edicts or such and maybe they get upgraded so they are placed and have influence over suburbs/ districts (naturally on a more “realistic” and/ or harder setting). Not sure how hard that could be to implement but it could help.

Well you know what game studios are like when they say they "Hear the feedback" and "We're listening", it doesn't necessarily translate in to action.

Biffa's Fix it series is the reason I started playing Cities Skylines

The “we only have 30 devs” argument really drives me up the wall. I do 100% understand that, but they took some huge sales on release. They want to continue to support those 30 devs through DLC’s right? In that case, if they want to secure future revenue they could at least hire in 20/30/50% increase ( 6/9/15 people) in devs on a temp contract basis to, at the very least, bug squash. That would at least show some proactivity, and using the money we gave them to accelerate the product to a state we expected on launch. It would then release the experienced game devs to work on features and core game.

I am happy that you are still keeping up with your Cities Skylines commentaries. I also watch your CS2 comments. Content (assets) is probably the most important quality to me. As one once said, variety is the spice of life. Keep up the good work!

Scenarios might not be popular amongst the player base. But they're an essential tool in providing content for creators. Creators are the glue that hold the community together. Every player that views a scenario streamed by a content creator is participating in that content and Colossal orders analytics having accounted for that.

Something I'd pay for is the ability to draw a park. Kinda like in CS1 but on a smaller scale. Have a small metal gate, UK people will know what I mean, as the anchor on the road/footpath, then draw the waist-high metal/wooden fence to define the area. This would allow us to use those awkward areas at the end of streets/behind buildings that you would often see a small urban playpark built. Being able to build a park on a bend would be amazing. And once built, let us place a few things in it, slides, swings, seesaws and whatever. Those Shin destroyer sprung ride on animal things. I'd also LOVE it we could get proper UK-style roads. With proper hazard lines and giveaway/stop lines from side roads right up inline with the main road. Not set back a few yards with a cross walk. I was pretty disheartened to see American style junctions again :(

Sounds as if the CS/Paradox Management successfully delegated listening to players away and had the door shut.😮 Coz all you guys explained to them is just basic player stuff which is on the wall everywhere.😂

The other thing I loved in CS1 were the scenarios. If you are not a detailer it gives you a purpose to play and achieve certain results. I also used to create scenarios which I enjoyed making You even played my snowy mountain one in one of your videos :) P.S. I just got to the part of your video where you mentioned their feedback on scenarios! Disappointed they don't feel this is needed as there were a huge number in the workshop and I loved them

I was also thinking why I get tired with the game quite quickly and you said it. It's the lack of challenge, that makes the game bore me after a while. I don't care much about detailing I like games where I get to optimize things.

You brought up some great points and if your explanation to us is anything to go by, i can assume it was as well structured to them also. Great job, thank you.

As a console player I'm waiting our version to come out. Thanks for taking the time to speak to them.

Concerts DLC - that was one of my favoriites in CS1. I loved that sudden population magnet to one place and then planning for that surge. Good challenge, and it was fun to see the three different performers. I hope we get something like that again. And yes, bring back the BIKES. I don't care if they are "pocket" bikes like in CS1, just bring them back.

big yes for everything you said on the industry and production chains, this (and more assets that will come with time) would make the game pretty good for me. thank you!

The answer to releasing hot fixes is to always be testing release candidates, and release whenever they pass muster. So you take a snapshot with whatever fixes are ready, test it, determine whether to release, take the next snapshot, test that, etc. If Paradox were competent as a publisher, they'd be coaching CO how to do this.

Sounds like a clever PR exercise

Kudos to you, the other streamers and devs that were involved in this meeting! Especially for them reaching out to those that actually play the game. The three of you are genius at this game. Love watching all your videos.

I think the biggest complaints I see are always that the simulation is "broken..." Where I think the real problem is, it comes across like it's pretending to be a game, then not actually doing it. There's no good or bad to anything you do, so what's the point? Wait for money to come in, buy the next square, paint some roads and it all just works. Not having the essentials needs to break the city! It should be hard to get everything right - the fun comes from figuring out how to fix it when it's wrong! If the city is rubbish, people need to not want to live there. If there is a service that you can build, that service needs to function in a way that failing to provide it penalises you in some way. If there's sliders to change tax rates, or funding of services, there needs to be an incentive to actually go in and change them. People moving out because tax is too high, not enough funds because costs are high and tax is too low. Bad road layouts should cause jams. This is the basic functionality I expected from the game. Not more assets, or more control over traffic lights. No game has all the content these days without DLC so totally expect there to be less than CS1. But the base game needs to do the basics instead of just pretending. It needs to provide the platform for the DLC, Mods, extra content to be built on top of. That to me is where it's failing.

The only chance i see for Cities Skylines 2 is proper mod support for mods on Steam workship and nexus. Something outside of their fenced garden.

The dev / test / release process they described to you is normal. There is nothing novel about it. That does not preclude the idea of hotfixes. A short window of about 2 weeks the dev / qa / release for a "fixit" op is completely reasonable. They could pull one person out of general dev work each quarter (on rotation) and make them the fixit runner; no standard work unless there is nothing broken that falls into the minor task category. I hear the "small team" excuse a lot. It's BS. I've run small teams and core + regression / QoL work can co-exist.

I really miss the football stadium filling up on match day, the green pack which included the cycle lanes etc. The traffic mod would make the joy of solving traffic jams much more pleasant, at the moment sometimes there isn't enough tools to sort. I also want public service annimations back

I agree. There are huge fundamental changes to the game mechanics I wish to see before additional content. Performance is not an issue for me.

I know it's not the biggest deal in the world, but I was so disappointed that they couldn't make buildings/lot geometry be anything other than a box. It's so frustrating to have curvy or odd angled roads and intersections and still have to abide by a preset box shape. While most building faces are flat, not all buildings are rectangular. To me that's one of the reasons all cities look the same right now.

Unless they use the Steam workshop I just don’t see the modding community doing for CS2 what they did for CS. That alone isn’t a dealbreaker but what is for many people, is how paradox treats the fans of their games so there is negative trust in the company.

I consider myself mostly a "city painter" but there were two challenging things I absolutely LOVED figuring out in C:SL - the traffic (using TM:PE with no despawning) and the industries DLC. I loved the challenge of getting my road layouts just right so that traffic flow was just right, without being too overbuilt. And I loved the challenge of getting my different industries raw resource extraction, generic and specialized processing, storage, and distribution all tweaked perfectly. I am very proud to say that my main city build in CS:L was 100% self-sufficient with all importing of raw resources and goods turned off. My oil and ore industrial areas were massive and they felt like they did something. They felt like entire parts of the city existed solely to support the industries. Entire residential neighborhoods and commercial districts existed in certain locations only because the industries were thriving. And all without unreasonably heavy traffic These are things you just can't even BEGIN to do in C:SL2 and I sorely, sorely miss that. I do still enjoy painting my city, but it's just missing so much. I feel more like I'm just along for the ride, rather than I'm the one actually creating it. I have these tiny little distant isolated neighborhoods that require a MASSIVE elementary school. I have these specialized industrial areas that really all they are is just a building or two on top of differently colored ground. That's it. As far as I can tell they don't actually do anything or affect the city in any meaningful way. I get a little traffic here and there but it doesn't feel like I have much say in how they get from place to place or how the roadways interact with each other And overall, the FREAKING ZONING is so incredibly frustrating I can't even breathe while thinking about it. The zoning tool (mod version, not the one they added in one of the very last updates) in C:SL was so clutch, and is exactly how zoning should have been handled from the very beginning in C:SL2. I can excuse some of the other things they didn't include at launch just due to the scale of it all, but I just can't excuse their poor handling of zoning. They said they were under the impression that most people were city painters, but they they gave us NO control over how the zoning is handled?!?!?! How are we to "paint" the city we want if we can't even make buildings spawn facing the correct road?

Thanks for representing. Choosing you three is probably one of the quickest ways to get broadest spread of information to them and each of you are a good balance between city fixer and city painter. Perhaps the next groups should be with modders and then the biggest critics of CS2. I'm saddened by the lack of scenarios so far, but I understand as I usually only played them until I beat them, but there were great in teaching specific mechanics of the game or new DLC. They need something to increase the replayability. I do concur on the list of 4 free updates packs for designers, networking and such. I hadn't thought about it that way, but I want all of them. Putting aspects from the more popular mods would go a long way for console players especially.

The lack of content shouldn't really be a problem since these should come in the future. The lack of features should definitely be a problem. I expected traffic manager and other quality-of-life mods to be fully integrated into the game. Plus, more interesting mechanics.

So at the current: Cities: Skylines Current players: 13,631, 30 days avg.: 9,881, 30 days gain: +522.4 / +5.58% Cities: Skylines II Current players: 4,969, 30 days avg.: 4,604. 30 days gain: -630.3 / -12.04% Seems we can safely call this an expensive failure.

Biffa, thank you for taking the time to be a part of this conversation with CO & Paradox. It's the best news about the game we've heard so far.

They need to hire more devs. They think they’re saving money by keeping the staff costs low, but they’re losing 1000s of customers as result. You gotta spend money to make money, and in this case, you gotta spend money to not lose half your fan base

The amount of work they need to do and judging by their current/past amount of workflow. This game isn't going to be fully playable for at least another 2-3 years. I'm not sure they can weather that.

I feel like when i build a city it feels empty in between the building's. I want to build a city like Prauge, instead of those open cities in the base game. I really hope The region pack's wil be like Prauge and other european cities, where the city is packed in. Try looking at google maps and then look at your city, you see a huge difference.

It's good to hear that the are listening to us in the community, I think bringing on others for those meetings would be cool. I do find it funny how you mentioned they read all the feedback which makes me laugh that they have definitely seen what I want in the game lol

Thanks for the up date. I have stopped playing it but might go back look at the mods and see. Loved CS1.

When the asset mods start coming, I will return. There are great fundamentals but we soooooo need these for variety The modders have made some fantastic code mods that I want to use but need the assets first

Well it makes sense I love CS2 I can't wait till this game is 100% but I know it will take time and I'm willing to wait to get a great game.

I would like to have a larger map so the districts can be more dispersed. Also, I would like to have a mixed commercial and office zoning so that the ground floor or the first few floors are for commercial and the rest are for office~

Appreciate you engaging with Paradox on behalf of the community, and not forgetting us poor buggers that play on console. Have to admit I've been somewhat frustrated at the inability to mod on console, but what you've suggested (shall we call it 'mods light'?) sounds perfect! Thanks to your videos I've understood the mechanics of CS1 that had helped me build bigger, better and more functional cities, so thanks a bunch!

Scenarios aren't played as much because they have no replayability value, you beat it once and it doesn't feel like there's any reason to try again. Scenarios need some sort of randomness or progressive challenge modes.

Haven't played much since launch/Christmas. I couldn't deal with the insane flickering. Guessing the last patch + driver updates somewhat fixed the issue. Reducing the game to 1920x1080 60hz instead of 144hz seems to have fixed it completely. Still haven't played it yet since that little test

With the state of the game where it is, and its importance to this company, I'd rethink taking the summer off.

For me it's the airport and university that needs to be more like the last CS. They regressed way too much for a new game.

Personally, I don’t regret buying Cities Skylines 2 even though I don’t really play it right now. I think there’s some good groundwork, and would hate to see the game get dropped before it can surpass cities 1 because it’s just not profitable enough. Maybe Colossal Order could have handled the release better, but making cool stuff is hard, and I want to give the developers the benefit of the doubt and assume they’re doing the best they can. I doubt anyone goes into that industry wanting to make a crappy game.

Also to add to what you said about bug fixing, as we all know fixing a bug sometimes breaks 2 or 3 other things, that is coding. So doing it the way they are they can run the game themselves with a bunch of bug fixes and if there is any conflicts they can address them then before releasing the patch, if you didnt do that each hot fix could break many things that they end up spending all their time trying to fix them and getting those certified too. Also Consoles have their own certification process you have to go through before it can be released too.

I appreciate hearing this update. The long time without much communication felt a bit lackluster, but this has helped me excited again. Really looking forward to having to fix traffic again.

Most interesting part was people not working in the summer in Scandinavia! I need to move.

I really hope this game doesn’t turn out like KSP 2. It’s definitely rough, and never should have been released in this state, but there’s good stuff there and I would be sad if it goes to waste.

I feel like Cities: Skylines 2 will have an awesome future and the final game will be super good! I love the communication, how they ask what the community wants and that they see their mistakes!

Absolutely amazing video biffa! I’m so glad they asked you to be a part of this and very grateful for the I for you shared here today. I am really optimistic for the future of this game. Thanks so much for this video it’s really sparked some hope for this game!

one major thing i for sure would love to see in city skylines 2 ismore flad maps inspired by river delta maps buildings i love to see smaller versions of buildings we have in game like school for 50 students train stations like a small village station or elevated small local airfield for short flight planes and above ground metro station i love to have seen a option for ban cars for parking on streets so they will use the parking area

Thanks Biffa :)

I hope this was productive for everyone. Ty for sharing and for the content.

I loved fixing traffic issues in CS:1 although I wasn't that good at it, but when I made a custom interchange or crossroad and it worked it was really satisfying.

It's so crazy to see how this all story went so far... Remember last summer all these videos paradox did with the Devs explaining all these fancy features for CS2? I had big expectations on cs2 and hearing and seeing that this is still not fixed makes me feel so disappointed and sad.. But I hope these talks will help them to improve the game and then I'll buy it

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awesome episode, glad that the paradox team are finally listening to the community :)

Challenges: things that pop up on game to give you focus on a particular thing in your city, give a time bound and some benefit to completing it. Thinking like subsidiaries in OTTD

I wanted to thank you for revisiting CS1 and publishing your curated Brit collection. In the course of a recent hardware migration I chose to jettison my previous huge collection. I became a serious CSer back in the day, even got involved in procedural objects and detailed design. I even modelled real places (including my own gash London - with great inspiration from a magnificently ambitious YT soul). Then something happened during a patch update to render CS1 unlaunchable. Believe me, I'm no stranger to troubleshooting, but I just didn't have the heart to do it again. Besides, CS2 wasn't far away so I thought I'd wait. Tried it, performance wasn't too bad for me, but the experience just wasn't enjoyable. To be fair to the devs I knew it had (and still has) a future but it was a long way off. So new PC now and CS1 isn't spannered for me anymore. And that's where I'm staying for now - I'll keep an eye open of course, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who's bitten and shy. It's only a personal observation but I think that with CS2 the devs have strayed too far into the simulation side and neglected the fun bit. I didn't mind that the logistics were rather wonky in CS1, it was just the world's best trainset...

We need hardware specs update that can actually run the game especially how much cores are required for high population and simulation.

So after 8 years since cs1 launch and 7 months after cs2 launch, they are still trying to figure out what to do by doing a focus group with youtubers? Not a good sign in my opinion

This is all very well and good. Doesn't change the fact they released a broken game and it still requires a lot of work. Industry in general seems moving towards "release early & fix the game afterwards" model... Maybe in a year or two it will actually be playable and out of "beta" phase.

Thank you for doing this Biffa!

Honestly, just them getting any official mod support into the game is what saved CS2 for me. Happy to hear they will keep working on the game and they think they can turn it around.

What other company engages with youtubers in order to better the product? I don’t regret buying the game at all. I play it almost on a daily, sure there are bugs but still fun, if they do bring it to CS1 standards, it will still be considered the best in its genre.

Thank you for representing us and for publishing a new CS video!!! ❤

I would like to see two types of industry zoning, Heavy industry and light industry. Not all industry pollutes if you can have light industry like warehouse and small scale manufacturing that doesn't make pollution and can be put closer to residential as it is irl