The two girls she showed as having “3C” hair don’t even have the same hair type. Just say loose curls instead of “3C”. 3C curls are considered tight and are not the face of the natural hair movement. 3A and 3B maybe
@@qj8091 Exactly it depends on your perspective. On the world stage it's considered tight. 3C curls are considered tight to nearly everyone but 4c girlies.
@@vcurls5951 everyone but type 4 not just 4c. Type two is seen at tight to type 1. But uk what type 4 have? They are seen as the TIGHTEST. Thats the point
Unpopular opinions: 4c hair is NOT difficult to manage and it's actually the loud whining and complaining about 4c hair that is part of what makes 4c girls hate their hair. I'm 34 but I've been natural since I was 10 and I never knew there was a problem with my 4C hair until the natural hair movement happened and I saw people all over social media whining non-stop about how awful it is to have. Women would go natural only with the hope that they were type 2 or 3 and if they found out they didn't have it, they would just live vicariously through type 2 and type 3 women online. Absolutely sickening. I'm honestly not mad people are going back to relaxers. If it means it'll silence the chronic screaming about 4c hair that we've had to listen to for the past 10 years or so then so be it. 🤷🏿♀️🤷🏿♀️🤷🏿♀️🤷🏿♀️🤷🏿♀️🤷🏿♀️
I'm 64 and all except maybe 4-5 scatttered years I have been natural. In my era, most girls did not have perms unless they were in their twenties. In the 70s , we wore afros...no such thing as curl defining. all we used was shampoo and grease. Like you, All this whining about 4c hair being difficult was news to me.
Hard agree. It’s all the manipulating, raking, shingling etc that makes it hard cos they are spending hours trying to make their hair into 3c types. As dumb as I am, I thought a ‘wash and go’ actually meant wash and go. How naive I was 😂
I disagree, 4 c hair is actually harder to manage relative to our society. However, if you make the choice to be natural and want more versatility with your styling, you have to be willing to take the time to work with it and not complain about it.
Agreed with the natural hair movement earlier on I see no one complain about their hair it wasn’t until later on .most people just wore their fro or twist/ braid out and kept it pushing I appreciate those women who went natural before it was mainstream ❤
Sometimes these women on the ads aren't even black. My friend who's half Hawaiian/Puerto Rican is the face of the Optimum Relaxer with natural hair...plus they darken her skin in ads to appear more black.
There are so many myths against kinky natural hair... A perm is easier to maintain, a wig is easier to maintain... When I look at the "healthy perm girls" routines, it seems pretty complicated, same thing when I look at wig tutorials... They often use as much products and time to style the wigs than what we do with natural hair.... Nothing against the perm and wigs girlies but I wish we stopped spreading the "it's easier to maintain than kinky hair" myth
Yes!! I have nothing against the wig girls, but that is way too many steps that I don't even take with my natural hair lol. I've never worn a wig, but I do get exhausted just watching certain youtube ladies cut, pluck, glue and color lace wigs to make it look natural and get a desired look. That seems like a lot of work.
The amount of money Black girls and women paid to have relaxed/ permed smooth hair …. All lies to get our hard earned cash . Thanks Mayowa for highlighting this😱
Hi I have a mixed texture my parents are Jamaican but my mom & Pop's have very soft hair,my siblings have mixed to some of us have full bodied & some with very soft hair,we always had our hair plaited what you call box braids I grew up with single platts my brother's had their hair cut,we talk about Our ancestors stories where did you see them changing who they are 😞 have our people forgot who we truly are I grew up on grease I use this in my own children's hair yet their hair grows,WHY WOULD U WANT TO CHANGE YOUR identity your hair is your Beauty learn to love who you are ,where you came from until you learn we are who these people want to be look around you,am over blessed my pop's taught us alot about who we are am NEVER ashamed about how l look,if my appearance bothers them then I know am definitely unique in this world, My sistas embrace the love your melanin, hair beauty& growth 👑🖤🖤🖤🖤
@Inside Outside She never said she was mixed. She said she had mixed hair. Now that we're clear on what she said, I'm going to say something you're not going to like. FYI, in the entire region (the Americas, which means North, South and Central America including the Caribbean islands) you'll be hard pressed to find a black person who isn't mixed in some way or other even if it goes centuries back if you're looking at descendants of enslaved Africans. The percentages of mixed blood will vary from family to family, from region to region or from individual to individual but it is there even if your phenotype (how you look) doesn't match your expectations of what a mixed person is supposed to look like. Most black people who aren't mixed who live in this region came after slavery straight from African countries and compared to the rest of black people in this region, they are a small number so stop pointing finger at people you don't know based on assumptions and on your misinterpretation of words and concepts. Blessings to you. ❤️
As someone with 4C hair who eventually locd and never looked back, the only time I felt free with my loose natural hair was when it was in its shrunken state/afro. My hair never did well with wash and go's, twists outs and I felt so MUCH self hate watching the whitneys and other girls with loose hair textures looking the way I wanted my hair to look but could not achieve. And the gag is, people even lied about their hair being 4c because they make money off of our self hate. I'm still learning to love my hair but its been a long road. I have medium density and fine strands. Thank you for pointing out the audacity. Its important to point out the ideals that we could have never reached. Like the BBL girls doing fitness videos and content.
I have been going back and forth about getting locs for the longest time! I'm still hoping my edges will grow back fuller before taking the plunge lol.
I'm also 4C and just started my diy micro locs. I'm still learning what to do because my hair is virtually weightless. Right now, hair wraps are my best friend. I feel like I look electrocuted!
@@DH-uw3us I think locs have helped many with hair growth due to the low manipulation. But you can also go to a dermatologist or a trichologist (spelling?) regarding your concerns of your edges.
For many of us, getting a relaxer wasn’t a choice. It then became engrained that it was a necessity for various reasons. I started growing out my relaxer in 2007 when I worked in the West End, ATL. I saw a lot of BW with natural hair and they inspired me to let go of my relaxer. I have no desire to straighten my hair with heat, let alone go back to a relaxer.
It was not forced on me, but bless you for pointing that out. I never realized there was youth forced into it. But, it does not have to be youth forced into it; it can also be that some women forced into it in order to have pro jobs or other jobs where they cannot get by with natural hair.
@so.many.obstacles- so true! I’m a Gen X’r & my father was pro-black Afrocentric our entire lives & never wanted me & my sisters to have relaxers. However it was stressful for my mom To maintain her 3 girls’ natural hair Alone so my father conceded to the relaxers when I was about 11/12. My 4A/B/C hair has always had significant length to it, but the relaxers made my hair thin, w split ends & limp w no body! Fast forward to 2012 & I was like- why am I doing this to myself?? Went natural & never looked back! My hair is full & healthy & If I want to wear a fro, I do! If I want to braid my natural hair, I do! And if I want crochet extensions, I install them! I very seldom straighten my hair only like 2 times a year if that. But I’m general I love my hair & don’t mind the extra effort it takes to maintain it because it’s better & more Healthy for me!!! I’m never going back to the creamy crack but I don’t vilify those who do- it’s their choice.
I honestly think that a lot of the colourism and texturism in the US is contributed by the normalisation of the One Drop Rule, which means that mixed people are also considered black. Due to that, because they're more diluted, palatable forms of "blackness", mixed people especially mixed women, ended up being the representation of black women and because of that, became the beauty standard in the black community, so even the idea of what is light skinned is even lighter than what it should be, because mixed people are involved. Same with texturism- all the black girls with hair insecurity because looser curls of women women are deemed the standard. I feel really bad for black girls growing up in the US with those kind of comparisons and unfortunately many, even black women, have adopted the One Drop Rule, not realising that they are ruining their own representation. At least nowadays, some are waking up to the disadvantages of it.
It's part of the Willie Lynch letter. Putting us against each other based on our differences instead of realizing we are a diverse group of people and we should love each other.
@@Sunflower-N-Daisy_Dreams the willie lynch bs has been proven to be a myth. not an excuse anymore. people are intentionally deciding upon themselves to be hateful to one another.
You meant to say "visibly mixed", right? Because of all people, descendants of enslaved Africans in the Americas (yes plural, as in not just the U.S., the entire region) should be most aware of the fact that phenotype doesn't say anything about genotype. Just because you don't look mixed (or at least you don't look like your preconceived notions of what a mixed person of African descent should look like) doesn't mean you aren't! We need to see past the veil of miseducation and misinformation because the reason mixed descendants of enslaved Africans who had inherited a racially ambiguous phenotype were labeled and treated differently compared to those with more markedly African phenotypes was to keep us divided. And apparently it still works, keeping some folks in the delusional belief that they're not mixed because it doesn't show 🤷🏾♀️. Get your DNA tested and find out for yourself. Even if mixing occurred generations ago and you did not find hints of it in your family history, 8 times out of 10, if you're from the Americas (north, south, central Caribbean islands included), the non African blood is there, whether we like it or not. And yes, you're right on one thing : racially ambiguous or visibly mixed people should be the ones shoved to the forefront when we're talking representation and inclusivity because the ones facing the greatest number of challenges are often the ones with predominantly African phenotypes.
@@DieezahArts lol I'm surprised y'all know that descendants of slavery aren't solely from the u.s. one thing I do expect y'all to not know about is the difference between actually being mixedrace & having admixture, which I can't hold against y'all considering the line between admixture & being mixedrace is extremely thin for descendants of slavery (the americas). that's why every time we say "blk people are not mixed räce (& it's true whether u like it or not)" y'all always bring up admixture when we're not even talking about admixture. y'all are not the only ones with admixture...every räce & ethnicity (we're the same race as y'all, like it or not) have admixture but y'all don't see other räces one drop ruling a random person for having slight admixture of the räce of someone else. u don't even see blk people whose heritage are outside of the americas one drop ruling a random person for having slight blk admixture. being blk & having nonblk admixture is not the same as being a nonblk poc with slight blk admixture. then again, when it comes to descendants of slavery from the americas, the line is too thin, it's still important to distinguish the two.
I joined the natural hair movement in 2016 convinced by social media that underneath my permed hair was 3C curls. I’m 4C and now have microlocs that I adore 🥰
Mayowa, Mayowa listen to me love. You are a gem and a gift to this world. Thank you. "If the natural hair movement had flipped it's formula to where we celebrated kinky hair in it's shrunken state which is its HEALTHIEST state" GURL I have been saying this to my friends for the longest time and felt like I never got heard. SHRINKAGE IS NOT THE ENEMY. It's a sign your hair is healthy. It's just how our hair is. But we were taught to hair shrinkage cuz the natural hair movement used 3c hair as its symbol and end goal when that's not the reality for type 4 hair. Our hair is beautiful, strong, tenacious, and versatile. Type 4 hair will never look or present itself like type 3 hair and that's OKAY. It's beautiful. As a teacher, I have learned so much from your channel and you are one of the reasons I stopped killing myself to use a bunch of products to manipulate my hair to look defined and look like type 3 hair. Now, I literally just use water, and raw shea butter and maybe some coconut oil. And my hair is so healthy omg. I still shampoo and condition here and there but I haven't touched my gel in months because my hair is beautiful the way it is. And some of my students wear their hair natural, in puffs, in braids, or fro and I make sure to CELEBRATE their natural hair and tell them everyday how beautiful it is. I even quote you Mayowa to my kids. I tell them, "Our class is like our hair. We have type 4 hair that is strongest when coiled together. Our hair is stronger together and so are we. We need to be kind and build a strong community in our classroom because, like our hair, we are stronger together". Thank you Mayowa for teaching me to love my natural hair because I am now teaching this new generation of black boys and girls to also love their natural hair and girl its working. These kids are confident, bold and happy
omg this message made me feel so emotional!!! thank you for writing me this, I can't believe youre telling you students this quote thats really beautiful!!! and yup you've said it best! shrinkage is not the enemy and our hair does not need much but we've been conditioned to think it does. im so glad of the work you do with the youth and this message is so important, I wish I heard that as a kid. thank you so much for telling me this, and showing youth this kind of softness
I wish my girls were exposed to more women like you but unfortunately where we live and go to school they are tokens so they still can't embrace their curls and coils. I have one that's 4a/b in the front transitions to 4c and one that's 3c and neither feel comfortable in their hair. I try but doing their hair I had to get sisterlocs because mine was suffering (3 thick heads in a weekend? Nope!)...but we want to change schools next year to at least expose them to variety because they need people like you all telling and reinforcing things like this not just from me, my husband, and my parents..
My mother was a single mom with 3 kids (2 daughters) and I remember when she developed carpal tunnel and it hurt her hands to do our thick hair. My mother transitioned us to silk presses but always stressed to us to never get relaxers. Eventually I had to do my sisters hair cuz my mother’s hands just could not do it on top of work and everything. So much respect for you parents. It’s not easy embracing natural when you have so many heads to do. Just remind them everyday there hair is beautiful and know you are doing your best as a parent and that’s totally okay ❤️
@@marajones1828 I totally agree I have two daughters and four son's all have long hair my parents are Jamaican my mama's & Papa's hair are shoulder length my brother's & sisters have long hair too we still keep our hair in platts just by using grease nothing else my hair is passed my shoulders that's because I live for platt hair we have growing hair all my six have fine to full bodied and when it gets wet yes it shrink and curls all it needs it's grease plain vaseline,am blessed my mama NEVER use hot comb in my hair or my daughter's never put anything in their hair very NATURAL HAIR ,they love who they are blessings from the teaching of my parent's
I never got a perm, bit when I saw that Twitter thread, I was thoroughly pissed and annoyed. Them "boxes" caused arguments in my house. My two older sisters were permed. When it came my time, my dad started fighting with my mom because he was convinced perms caused hair loss, cancer, etc etc. I never wanted one either cause I liked looking like Erykah Badu when my hair got wet 😂. Anyways, mama wasn't happy lol
@@matxalenc8410 that part! Buddy has 7 sisters and he saw most of them go from a head full of hair to relying on wigs. Thankfully my sisters didn't have the fate
Oh girl, that last bit about the force and manipulation, the softness and tenderness. I've been pulling and dragging my 4C hair all my youth. Now in my late 20s and my hair is beautiful (but sparse, with breakage). I'm slowly but surely learning to love my 4C hair and show it extra care and attention with gentleness and tenderness. I don't use a comb anymore to detangle just my fingers. I braid my hair, but very loosely and usually just do 2 strand twist. I'm hoping and praying it will grow back to its fullness that I once had.
I heard clove water is great for growth and thickness! But use a penetrating oil or leave in conditioner on the hair after spraying your hair with the clove water because it can be drying!
I have 4C hair and I hated it until literally 3 months ago when I discovered the Denman brush. The authentic brush is about $30 but it's SO WORTH IT. It glides through my hair and sets a beautiful curl. No product needed! Just saturate your hair with water and a little oil. Detangle slightly with a proper detangling comb (the type with the wavy teeth) or your fingers, and then use the Denman brush to smooth and set the curl.
This!!! This is my current natural hair regimen and my hair is growing like grass! No other products; no oils, no lotions, no gels or even edge control....just raw African Shea butter, mini twists, and warm water grew my hair!
12:35 The rough combing. You wouldn't wash cashmere or silk in harsh soaps, dry in high heat, stretch, wrench, or iron. Your own hair is the most valuable, most rare, most precious fiber in the world. 3C, 4C,4Z, however or whatever your hair is the only source is your own beautiful head. Treat it like that.
I believe most advertising is set up to lie. Hair industries have been doing the same thing, e.g. RU-vidrs who play the natural style thing and act like their hair is 4c when the hair, in front of our eyes, is 4a, 3b, 3a, etc. I literally watched one RU-vidrs say with an attitude "I know my hair isn't 4c but yall know how it is". NOOOOOO WE FREAKIE DO NOT. When natural hair RU-vidrs went crazy and the twist styles were hot, so many 3b, and 4a RU-vidrs lied through their teeth, they knew that the product they used worked differently on 4c hair, and they didn't care. Shoot, even using edge control, so many had slick edges already but made it seem like the product made their edges look a certain way, no your edges aren't kinky so of course, it's going to lay down a certain way. I struggle to support the black hair business because their advertisements bothered me the most by lying right in my face, nothing manners to them but duking people for their dollars.
@I have no personality outside my sexuality what wrong with a mixed race woman? I am half black half Métis, I am a visible minority who is treated as such in society, and I am heavily involved in the black community where I live. Biracial people are shoved into the margins of not black enough but also not {other race} enough. It’s so disheartening to know that people would think I’m wrong to have a black owned business.
@@kaylabeals8597 there's nothing wrong with being biracial but its wrong to mislead people just to reap them off, at least based on the topic under review.
Growing up, my mama always permed my hair (I think she permed my hair for the first time when I was like 4 or 5 years old) and I used to wish my hair came out like the girls that was on those boxes (and also my best friend at the time was a light skinned girl who had really long 3 type black hair that was down her back and I wished my hair was long like hers ,but my hair never came past my lower neck) but instead it made my hair dry, and by time I was 11 years old my hair was slowly breaking off due to the amount of perms I was getting (it was getting so short my mama couldn't even put my hair in a ponytail), so when I was 11 my mama had cut my hair into a TWA and added a texturizer to my very short hair. So from 11 until I was 17 I was getting texturizers put in my hair (I couldn't believe I thought I was natural back then lol) but then the texturizers started breaking off the hair on the side of my edges, so at 17 I stop putting texturizers in my hair and just went fully natural. But even then I was still straightening my hair (which always came out terrible), so for like 4 years I was wearing afros, plaited twists/braids, and straighten my hair, it's even been a few times I shaved all my hair off and rocked the baldie look. But as of a few months ago, I decided to let my plaited braids loc up and now I have beginner stage Freeforms after growing my hair out for almost a year (my hair is a little bit longer than my profile pic now). Now all I put in my locs is H20, and 100% organic coconut oil and wash my locs with real African black soap because those products make my hair and scalp always feel so moisturized I feel like this is the best hair growth journey I ever had. I give thanks to my big bro (he's been having freeforms for like 7 years now) and you Mayowa for inspiring me to get Freeforms ❤️
As a kid and part of adulthood I had long, fine, type 3 hair that was relaxed, but it wasn't really straight like the girls on box. It was still curly unless it was blown out, heat styled or roller set. Half the time relaxer didn't even "take". The relaxer reduced the frizz. I still have the same fine type 3 hair that I did when it was relaxed, just with more a little more frizz. I asked a stylist as an adult why it never got straight, she said because relaxer are only supposed to relaxer your curl pattern not completely straighten your hair. Type 3 hair just ends up with slightly looser coils and 4 hair ends up with a looser Z pattern and is more likely to get "bone" straight. I remember friends and classmates with broken off, dry, brittle, hair because they got their hair relaxed every 4 to 6 weeks. I made she my daughter never went through the insanity we did.
I too used to hate combing or getting my hair combed... Often times even our parents didn't have super kinky-coily hair, so man having my hair man handle created a disdain for getting my hair comb. I loved having my grandma do my hair. I don't know how many of you remember the routine of your grandma telling you it was time to get your hair combed or washed (I'm almost 60) and each cousin would sit and take their braids or plats a loose on wash day, use the spray bottle of warm water and vinegar mixture to pre-poo to loosen the dirt before our turn for washing. Our grandma used a chair up to the kitchen sink. If we were small, she propped her foot in the chair, sit the child on her knee facing away from the sink, and fold the child back so the hair was under the water. For the older child, we were on our knees, on the chair with our hair under the running water. After she was done, she would wrap our wet hair in a towel, assist us to our feet, send us on our way in order to make room for the next child. We mostly wore plats as very small children, box braids as older children, and no ponytails unless it was a special occasion. Cornrows were only for pre-teens and older who were learning to do their own hair or someone else's for pay. On braid day we would again take our own hair a loose, get the comb, brush, hair grease (to grease our own scalp prior to getting it comb (regreased, brushed, and styled)), and we each had to get a mason jar of warm water to dip the soft brush in to tame our edges as my grandmother used to call it. Then when our turn was up, we would put everything on the table, as my grandmother would wipe her hands on her apron from the last head she did. She would take a squig of her Diet Rite Cola, tap her lap, and that was the signal for us to find our place on floor between her legs to get our hair combed. When she needed to get to the back or side of or heads, to keep us from suiting in one place for so long, she have us turn left or right, and on our knees facing her with our forehead on her knees to do the top back. Just typing this, reminds me of the natural no product days... Wow! Thank you for this topic which allowed me to really reflect on my childhood. Great and yet simple times I forgot.... Today, I wear sister/ micro locs... I love my kinky-coily hair and would never trade it for anything. I don't sleep with anything on it... simply a satin pillowcase and prop it all to the top of my head before going to sleep. Like your hair ( which I totally adore), my hair is big on top... Looking more like a mane because I don't tie it down... Not at all... So... If you can, imagine this 6' tall woman walking around with what looks like a mid back length lion's mane...😉😉😉😂😂😂 I love my 4c😂😂😂😂😂v
I'm not black but I'm glad you're talking about relaxers. They are not good. They're ruining people's hair and scalp. Little girls get subjected to perm their hair. That's not okay. I'm glad you're talking about this and even better you're exposing the truth of the girls on the boxes of these relaxers.
White moms always shame other white moms who have their children go through perming processes (such as straighten, curling, bleaching) for things such as pageants, which aren’t even "normal". I can’t even think of a white child who had anything but shampoo and conditioner on their hair as children, maybe lice products and detangling sprays lol like look at all white children hairstyles tutorials, only water, and just water to style hair!
Prems she speaks of are to straighten hair not to curl hair is which those prems you are speaking of. Plus the heavy social and political pressures are absent for other hair so I think it would be wise if you do some research on what she's actually talking about as opposed of your own personal experience because the topic is not about your personal experience it is about people with foresee hair and it would also do you well to know the four races of men and Latinas or Latinos are not a race.
Your video made me remember Malcolm X's great words about the psychological violence of the process of hair perming on Black Americans in his autobiography. Thanks for another great video !
Type 4 hair is only high maintenance if we are trying to make it look like a well defined type 3. Any hair is high maintenance if you are trying to change the texture tbh. In the beginning I'd also use 20+ products and a year-round hair care routine until I realized my hair wouldn't expontaneously change because of products. The alternative was either focus on making it healthy or spend 4+ hours styling it after every shower. Now my routine consists in a gentle shampoo, a paraben-free conditioner, 3-day fermented rice water, a bit of leave-in to keep the shape, and an oil blend at night. It's still a lot comparing to more natural approaches, but it's been working for me for 3 years now and I have no plans to change.
Havent even finished the video and I absolutely love it! I went through the exact same thing when I first went natural and was using like 10 products when I styled my hair. Now, you guys are going to get whatever my hair gives. AND I LOOOOVE IT!
This is me! Tbh when I broke away from always feeling the need to “define my curls” it felt really liberating in a way. My confidence soared when I embraced just letting my hair just do what it do.
Yes with 4c hair, if you don’t wear it people say you don’t love yourself. If you wear it, then they want to criticize your hair. You can’t win. Especially the fact that men and society don’t accept 4c hair on black women but that’s another conversation.
@@Jay-p2q exactly. There’s no rule against wearing wigs that resemble our natural hair texture if it’s about length. Or even resemble it CLOSER with curly hair instead of a straight fro. I understand it’s not black womens fault at all for being in this situation. Truly. But sadly, I think it’s only black women who have power to change it in 2022. If MOST black women embrace their natural hair, employers and the rest of the world will adapt. BW play sizeable role in the economy, they can’t function without y’all. It would just take a collective effort. I believe the men would come around too. Ultimately the ball is in black womens court
I agree with you....natural hair in its shrunken state is healthy but I have yet to see anyone wearing it. When I do that with my hair, people frown as if it is unkept but I don't care. It's either that of plain ole fashioned plaits for me. I grew up in the 70s and never heard of "defining your curls" or 50,000 products to achieve a certain look. It was shampoo and grease for us.
you know those commercials that be like “if you’ve ever suffered from xyz back in xyz then you’re entitled to compensation!” i feel like that’s all of us right now. it was all a lie! we need compensation 😭 no but seriously, i like the correlation to how the looser curl pattern girls were on the boxes and also the face of the natural hair movement (when they’ve always embraced their natural hair) they know damn well it didn’t start with them. I love my 4c hair now and anyone else that has 4c hair your hair is beautiful 🫶🏾🫶🏾🫶🏾
Some of us were convinced we had type 4 hair because the hairtubers would lie and claim they had type 4 hair. I remember when done of them admitted to getting texturizers. It was a mess 10 years ago!
Not gonna lie this pissed me off too, all the literal scabs in my scalp and tears i cried from the burning and allllllllllllll the hair lost, over LIES!!! Where's the classes actions for this cause i need in lol
That's so fascinating! It's definitely super sad that these companies bold face lied to everyone. Perms hurt, my scalp was really burned by the one done on me as a kid. I hope people can learn to love their hair, although I understand wanting to fit in.
As someone who makes hair products for myself I notice that a leave in conditioner,a deep conditioner and a normal one ingredients are basically the same the difference is the amount of water
@@ayooKondom Read the ingredients in any given product line. The ingredients are listed from where in it the most to what's in it the least. If you want to have some real fun compare the products to a "white" line of products.
@868 Beautiful Heary So basically I only need one deep conditioner. And add a specific amount of water to dilute the deep conditioner and to create a conditioner and a leave-in conditioner?!? 😲
0:21 This box always pissed me off because I knew good and well that it was the natural hair texture of the little girls and that they didn’t achieve hair like that through a damn texturized!
Funny that someone replied to my comment, but RU-vid has censored it so I can’t see it. So sick of them messing with the comments. Edit- No idea what is so sensitive about a hair video that the second comment has been censored as well. 🙄
@@Maki-00 A friend and I tried the just for me texture softener as an adult, we both have type 3 hair and just wanted to loosen our curl pattern a little to cut down on detangling. We had to laugh at ourselves because that stuff acts just like any other relaxer!
I have 4a natural hair and my mom forced me to get a relaxer when I was only 4 years old because my hair was “too thick”. Even though both my mom and I had 4a natural hair, her hair was seen as “ better “ because she had silkier finer hair while mines is kinkier and thicker. Unfortunately, it was normal back then to perm your child’s hair. I use to have damaged thin shoulder length hair when I had a relaxer until I finally did the big chop. It took years but I did my research and found out what products and what routine worked for me and now my hair is long. I had to unlearn the misconception that my hair is only pretty when it’s straight. I still wish that my mom never put a relaxer in my hair.
I'm so glad you put this video up. I was shocked that the perm girlies are all natural haired adults. My RU-vid algorithm has been showing me girls getting perms again and I was starting to get weak and started considering that maybe I should try the creamy crack again,knowing that it destroys my hair. I'm nappy and proud and don't care if people are not used to seeing a 43 year old with plaits or shrinkage some days. We here get used to it.
I can't stand it when people say 4c hair is hard! It's really not. When my hair transitioned out of a relaxer after not going to the hair salon anymore (my mom was laid off during the '08 recession and had to take a cheaper job), I was fortunate to read 'Curly Like Me' by Terri LaFlesh. We have very different hair textures, but because she focused on technique, I could use what she was saying. At the time, I didn't know there was a natural hair movement going on. I think if I had been watching RU-vidrs who were just promoting products, my hair would not be in good condition and I wouldn't know how to care for it. That being said, I think for a lot of these women, the natural hair movement was a trend to be followed. There was nothing spiritual behind wanting to take care of their hair like wanting to love yourself, there wasn't even just a desire to maintain healthy hair. I think they were hoping it would be a fun, cute trend, but because they were following women who didn't have hair like theirs, but was telling them they could have hair like theirs if they used certain products, and it didn't work, they stopped wanting to follow the trend.
I remember using her method. I went natural around the same time because I was tired of paying for relaxers. Learning about porosity was the best thing. I finally understood why nothing penetrated my hair and why I needed to wash it all the time.
Another brilliant segment 💐. Glad you covered this topic. It's important to mention/health the medical side effects of these chemical products. They include but not limited to: alopecia, fibroid, cancer etc. It's really disturbing that parents were exposing their children to these toxins, at such a young age (I was also a victim). As a collective, we need to continue loving on our beautiful features. We're perfectly created and adorned with so many beautiful attributes. These anti-Blk industries and beauty standards have been eating away at our collective self-esteem, for centuries. Enough is enough. We must continue to resist and stand in our power and magnificent natural beauty. 💕
True truth I remember using the “kiddies” box relaxer and wondering why my hair didn’t look the girl on the box it’s truly something that affected my self esteem as a child going into my teens. Side note: MAYOWA!!! Why the heck do you look so fricgen cute??? Da fuk!
I remember keeping relaxers on as long as possible, just so I could get that straight hair, then my scalp would be weeping, and finally my hair would break off! And then chasing that 3c look even AFTER going natural! Now, it seems so ridiculous to me . I'm so so glad I've got locs now. You talk the truth Mayowa THANKYOU !!
Honestly not surprised since my cousin was on the male box for waves. He never used any creams and bullshit to get his waves. But thats what the boxes make you think that what the models did, but in reality its just a idealistic result. "Results may vary" as many companies like to say.
Maybe I'm the only one, but I LOVED Just For Me kiddie relaxer. I was a grown woman using it and it did the JOB. I rememer bringing the box perm to my beautician, and she gave me the side eye and told me it wouldn't take. Needless to say, she was amazed at the results.
I was so mad when I recently found out the perm box girls never had the product in their hair. I have 4b,c hair and all the chemical burns & nights of getting hit in the head with comb by my mama!
Saw someone else talk about these girls a few days back. The takeway is that you can't assume anything regarding another black person's hair based on looks alone! I might have already said something to that effect in a previous comment on some other video of yours but this even proves it further. No one can tell if what we're looking at is that person's natural hair, permed hair, the result of a texturizer, a twist out, blow-drying... The folks who have things to sell will use our tendancy to make assumptions based on phenotype, colorism and what texture we expect someone to have based on the above to peddle their needless products. I was not surprised regarding some of these girls. Even a pro hairdresser confused my friend's virgin hair/natural hair for permed hair because it looked so slick and her phenotype made it believable to them. They almost ruined her hair that day, assuming she had permed hair when she didn't. We were 14. When I was perming my hair it was mostly to cut down on the painful untangling process, not for the silky straight look. After a shampoo, I would let my hair dry freely so it would go back to something close to my natural curl pattern when dry in spite of being permed...
I wish I was surprised by this, but considering what we saw with representation during peak movement, it makes sense. The day we don’t compare and judge ourselves by a fake standard will be different for everyone.
The amount of women who purchased that olive oil creamy crack relaxer box to get the flowing hair on the picture when it was a silk press of 3a all along!!! Mind blown. 4c hair isn’t difficult. Trying to make 4c hair do what 3a hair does is difficult. 4c hair thrives with a gentle hand. So many folks in Hollywood who have their hair don’t relax their hair. Folks don’t talk enough about this.
I'm 4c and tenderheaded. My mom permed my hair since kindergarten because she didn't know how to care for natural. Now I've been natural for 10 years. I'm never relaxing again
Remember that episode of Tyra where they showed that perming also leaves a green tint on your skull? And that could possibly be effecting your brain? I called it quits after seeing that.
I was never chasing anyone! I did what I wanted with my hair. I had a perm for over 30 years! After I thought that going to the Salon became too expensive; I went natural! I have been natural for almost 9 years now. I have had my hair flat ironed 3 times in 9 years. Know who you are; do what you want with your hair! I am getting old, I am dark-skinned and I have never called what anyone else was doing to their hair.Live and let live; it is not that deep!
"Don't laugh at me, if you do, you are anti-black" 😂😂 Girl, you made me laugh so damn hard!! You are 💯 about the false advertisement on the perm box I have 3C hair from a family of 2B-3A women 😳. Everyone used a fine tooth comb in the house until I showed up😂😂😂. I tried to have a relaxer like all of my friends. It was not happening!! My hair would crumble like Charlie Brown's ratchet Christmas 🎄. I choose color and natural hair!! I have AMAZING, GLORIOUS sister locks. I am happily nappy!! I feel you sister. I'm the aunt of several nieces with darker skin & 4C hair. The ones who embrace their hair and what is does have the best hair!! The ones who fight their hair texture don't look nearly as nice.
thank you so much for your voice- the tenderness and care for our own version of natural hair, allowing us to love and discover the way our hair wants to express itself in its multiple forms…. I relate so much to your experience, and your analysis helps me continue to deconstruct so much texturism ingrained in some of my ways of thinking. Even though I’m not black nor from north america, as a latina my curly hair was also very much fetishized and simultaneously erased from the beauty canons…. not much of a culture of how to take care of it, but the violence my own aunties would inflict on themselves to “tame” their “unruly” hair, and that was then passed on to me. Watching your channel and other BIPOC who speak up about the racism of the beauty industry has helped me A LOT in these past years- so THANKS!!! gracias!! chaltu may 🌺❣️keep on shining your beautiful world gurl 🌟
Omg. I'm like AT LEAST 20 years older than you and I had that exact same striped shirt when I was a kid! 🤣🤣. You were a beautiful child as you are a beautiful woman now.
I was always told that I had difficult hair even after perking it. After I stopped and went natural I was shocked at how easy it is to work with my hair especially when I stopped treating it like a different hair type! I love my hair so much. Been natural since 2015!!! I stopped using too many things, just moisturizer and hair oil. I used to have like 20 products before 2020 🤣
I barely can wash and rinse out condition without tearing my scalp off. I got keratosis pilaris ( a form of eczema ) and I cannot wear grease, or other stuff in it. I barely wear certain Argan Oil in it, as, it is less itchy on my scalp than grease or creams and such. I cannot wash with just any stuff. I cannot use coconut oil shampoo, or keratin shampoo, two I know off the top of my mind. Fortunately, can use neutralizing shampoo, my hair's most favorite. I can use tea tree oil. I learned from Blossom channel on here to use Aloe Gel a few weeks ago. It was one thing that did not sound gimmik, so, I tried it. It showed the plant, but I get 100% aloe gel at the store, in a bottle, for topical use in lotion section. It is for dandruff relief. As long as I am careful what I wash with and post wash, I am itch-free for almost a week. You put some in hair, massage what you can in scalp, and let it be for half hour. Then, I scratch scalp under running shower before shampooing. Aloe is to also moistorize hair. I did not use cap, but might experiment with one one of these weeks.
I don't know if we're actually going backwards. I know, personally, I'm sick and tired of companies selling us shit instead of educating us on natural hair care. If they sellin somethin, they don't give a $&%! about us.
I always had very thin kinky extra shrinkage hair so most products broke or sat on top of my hair. The one time I snuck and got a perm because my mom said the perm box was a lie and I didn't listen, my thin kinky hair broke off. I had a hair dresser say "your hair is so thin n soft and u can grow it if u stopped messing with it!!" Because I had shrinkage and breakage the myth of non growing black hair I had to test. I never had my hair described as "soft" because I'm black with kinky hair right?? Well fact is if the matter is having 4a through c hair just needed moisture and care not chemicals in it's natural state so in the 90s I locked my hair n never looked back. The natural hair movement didn't exist at the time and many had things to say about my "low budget" hair do lol There weren't a bunch of products out then as there are now and steam and cream based moisturizer with the occasional hair grease was all I ever used and grow my hair without an issue with less management as I did n just stopped messing with it like the hairdresser said lol. Now to have the lie on the box now rocking natural hair 🤯😳?? I can't even lol some throw back memories here for sure. The beauty is we can make a choice between natural and perm hair. It's a choice we have and shouldn't be upset at others who choose it however the LIE of those on the box not having a perm let's u know how far things will go to have women of color beauty standard be one thing. Many are so upset that we r all of those from natural to perm hair to weaves and wigs. We can do it ALL and don't have to stick to one or the other. What other group of women can say that?? Great channel and glad to be a new sub
another things : I wanted to give this it's own comment. Doing Black hair has always been a COMMUNAL thing. I feel like folks r struggling because we r now doing everything by ourselves instead together like we've done in the past.
Relaxers are directly linked to cancer. We need to talk about THAT as well. Love your video. It’s my first one and I’m about to fall down the rabbit hole.
One thing I think needs to be addressed is that the women In our community needs to see their own natural hair as enough I’m so tired of wearing a less manipulated hairstyles and being told my hair not done or it’s nappy looking you do not have to always stretch and slick down or add hair in order to be done I’m pretty sure our African ancestors wasn’t slicking their hair down I loved in the 70s every one wore their fro and loved their fro I also do not compare my hair to others comparison is the stealer of joy my hair is my hair ❤✌🏽
Probably back in the early 80s I recall an article in a Black magazine allegedly quoted Debbie as saying women should NOT straighten their hair. Later, I think she was allegedly involved somehow with the Rio product infomercial.
Thank you! At this point I am just focusing on getting my 4z hair healthy and getting to really know my hair. Rather than try and make it do things it cannot do. I am seriously considering locs in the future, but I'm open to whatever works for my hair.
My mother started straightening my hair at a very young age my hair has been damage for years an wasn't growing past my shoulder it's not till I started educating myself about my hair type an learning history is when I started rocking my natural hair one of the best decision I've ever made.
It's unfortunate, the art of marketing is designed for people to continuously chase the unattainable. I remember when Fotki was the natural hair community platform and it was truly about meaningful engagement, encouraging one another, and sharing products that actually worked versus influencer culture.
You took me back. I had a natural hair Fotki and loved looking at other ladies' pictures on there. I remember the days before RU-vid, when it was just Fotki and the hair forums (LHCF, naturally curly forums, Napturality, etc.). I kinda miss those days.
I just discovered this channel, and let me tell you....this video NEEDS to go viral! It's insane that, for decades, so many women have been (and are continuing to be) misled into thinking that something is "wrong" with their hair, all because of false advertising. Having studied Communications, I know a bit about marketing, but this right here is just shameful and people NEED to know the truth.
Thank you for this video. Im enjoying the few conversations coming around the perm box girls not having perms. And you brought up smth I haven’t seen yet talked about (in the videos I’ve seen this far) that all these girls had looser silky textures. We were fcked from the beginning. And you’re right against that these silky loose textures also became faces of natural hair. And again kinky haired girls were shamed for something we can’t fix and told to buy a billion products and become product junkies. I dont mind the idea of perms “coming back”, cause you can’t stop ppl, and i can only hope they’re doing it safer than when i was a child (my hair actually looked good permed and had that silky texture, but i guess cause my mom never based my scalp with vaseline or smth it hurt more than it should’ve and I believe my edges are still weak because of this today). I just feel bad for people all around, cause i know that some people aren’t going back just because they like the look (tho I believe there are some that are and they’re cool) but some of them are going back cause they were sold lies about products and were told false narratives about the effort kinky hair needed. And its sad how we’re put in this endless circle of struggle.
I just cut my 5th set of locs. I’m regrowing my 6th set free form. I’m a loctician in Atlanta. I just had to stop by & say your locs are an inspiration! You are absolutely stunning! Great review! The perm box deception!
Your hair is what made me watch and subscribe! It's so rare to see OUR hair be allowed to do what it does naturally, and you've done that. Thank you for being a beacon in this sea of texturism, we need you!!!! I stopped relaxing back in 2016 and I'm never looking back. I also never bought into the product hype either, I've been buying a spray detangler, a cholesterol cream and oil. $20 for several months of use, I probably buy hair products once or twice a year at the most. Those of us who are paying $15-$25 for 4oz bottles of product EACH for texture definition, I'm not surprised they're going back to relaxers. I gave up on definition after my first year of being natural, the whole ordeal was too tiring and trifling. I'm starting my locs this weekend. I know my hair wants to loc, so like you, I'm gonna allow it to do what it does naturally. I can't wait.
I would never go back to relaxers. I'm sorry but it's rooted and anti-blackness and it's rooted in the hatred of blackness. And I'm disappointed in all the young girls who think that's cute that their mothers put them on the box and lied and said they had 4C hair and they got their hair permed when they did not. They helped regenerate people's hatred for 4C hair texture. They help promote anti-blackness. To the people going back to relax for relaxers they're stupid and they're going to just call them themselves health issues later on down the line. Me on the other hand I will stick to my wigs, sew-ins, braiding styles and crochet hair. I'm not going back to relaxers. Before I do that cuz I would never I would just shave my house. I've rocked a fade before no big deal.
I love how you always say we should embrace our 4c natural hair, especiallyour shinkage. My hair didn't start growing until I started wearing my hair in a fro and moisturizing every couple of days. Like you said, shrinkage is the sign of healthy natural hair. Plus, 4c hair is easy to take care of. People don't like it and just try to rip through it so they can get finished with it quickly.
I’m lucky. I had long hair with my perm. I had a relaxer from the age of 6-21. I do miss the days where I straighten my hair and it doesn’t puff up with any humidity but I don’t want to go back. Going to the salon every two weeks , making me sit with the relaxer in my hair while it burns. Those morning when I unwrap my hair in the morning and my hair stuck on my scalp and scabs going across my chemical burned scalp. The smell 😖. It feels good having my curls.
Relaxers made my hair VERY thin and break off real bad. Silk pressing my natural hair looks like the relaxer boxes ! I think they need to answer for their lies smh. Telling you your hairs not good enough then offering the “fix” smh. All lies. I feel like there’s a “healthy” way to relax your hair but it’s definitely not by the directions on the box lol this is why I always say no one should have anything to say about how black women wear their hair. Get made fun of for wearing wigs then get made fun of and ridiculed for how their natural hair looks. We can’t win in that system! So we must create our own.
I believe that 4c hair is hard to manage when you pull tug and manipulate it to do something it’s not supposed to do to mimic a looser hair texture (braid outs, twist out, perm rod sets all that non sense) I agree with wearing it in it’s true shrunken form. In that state, the hair thrives. Like you said, you literally just need water and shea butter to maneuver through the hair.
I’m a 4c natural and I stopped putting chemicals in my hair in my early 20’s but I neglected my hair for years because I just didn’t want to be bothered with it since I had been raised on perms and had no idea how to properly care for it. Once I moved abroad about 8 years ago, I really started allowing my hair to teach me how to care for her. I have fine, low porosity, medium density hair so it’s very prone to tangles, dryness and single strand knots. I consumed so much hair care content that I tried. Most of it didn’t work. My goal was high density healthy hair but it wasn’t until I stopped listening to all the natural hair advice on the internet and instead began following my intuition that I started seeing results. I still consume hair content on occasion or read articles n stuff but I finally learned to take what resonates n leave the rest. Now my hair is the healthiest it’s ever been. It’s manageable and I keep my hair care routine very simple. My hair is nearly bra strap length and I still can’t believe it’s this long and healthy. But it took a lot of work and time to figure it all out. It’s a very personal journey and I think that’s where the natural hair movement and community missed the mark. It could have been about embracing our hair and allowing everyone to find her own way free from judgement. However, it was mostly about taming 4c hair without chemicals but still very much about making 4c hair something that it’s not often in a violent way, as opposed to embracing it for its own unique beauty. It’s like u said, the gentle love we put into our hair allows for healthy hair and i agree that it’s certainly a metaphor for life. Thanks for all the amazing content! xx
@TheDbwillia I stopped shampooing. I mean, I shampoo very rarely, like every 3 months or so. Otherwise, I cleanse my hair with clay or I co wash. I only use oils or butters on my hair when it comes to sealing in moisture. I don’t buy hair products other than conditioner for co washing. I DIY pretty much everything cuz I want to know exactly what I’m putting on my hair. I’m a big fan of clove spray as well as flax seed gel for strong hold or aloe Vera gel for moisture n soft hold. I pretty much make all my own whipped butter blends based on what my hair likes which I discovered through trial and error. Experimenting is the only way to understand what ur hair likes and then just build on that. Understanding the porosity was key for me cuz it’s way more important than the hair type being 4c. Mainly, I accept the fuzz and the frizz. I don’t pull on the roots. I don’t wear slick styles. I let my hair puff. I avoid heat. I wear low manipulation and protective styles often. When I do wear my hair loose or in a fro or whatever, I do so only for a few days cuz it’ll tangle n dry out if I do it too often. But once the hair gets to about collar bone or armpit length cute low manipulation or protective styles are easier to create. I also just accepted single strand knots as par for the course. Keeping it stretched and in twists helps but I keep a nice pair of sheers handy to cut the knots out regularly and I dust my ends very often as needed. Keeping the ends clipped was a game changer along with figuring out how to moisturize properly. I finger detangle. I very rarely use tools in my hair but if I do it’s an old school wide toothed comb. Satin scarf or pillow case for sleep. Patience n gentleness. I never do my hair when I’m in a hurry or exhausted. Patience n love is the key ingredient and just discovering what works for u. That’s the best advice I can give. Best of luck to u dear! Enjoy the journey and the process. xx
I'm honestly so glad my mom stopped perming our hair early on because it allowed our hair to recover by the time we were teenagers. Whereas my mother still had very damaged hair after decades of not perming. Thank you, love the video!!
The perm box girls kiki-ing and treating this like some cutesy reunion as they reveal lies pisses me off. I don't see anyone of them taking this seriously and acknowledging how their images help society damage black women for GenerAtions. Alot the "now" photos are just them flexing how their hair is still natural and pretty. And that just so weird and fucked up to me? Why'd it take a dumb twitter post for them to come forward? Why didn't they stand together and address this properly?
I have fine natural hair so you can imagine what my hair looked like when chemical treated like that 😥 The natural movement hair was really bad for me as well because it told me I was doing something was wrong because my hair wasn't thick, long and unable to hold a curl. I'd follow the steps but that created curl wouldn't last. It was so liberating to leave that natural movement behind. I'm just doing whatever works for my hair.
I mis the really early days of the natural hair movement. It was really focused on those with tight hair textures and the conversations revolved around societal expectations. When RU-vid became a place to make money I feel like the brand deals and partnership programs made a lot of people (who possessed the “ideal” hair texture) come out of the woodwork. They were selling their hair texture. Funny thing is now that RU-vid’s algorithm has become the Wild Wild West all these creators have disappeared. That’s why I’ve made it a point to follow RU-vidrs whose hair looks like mine. If your hair goes flat and straight under water we are not the same.
I remember them little girls....and they were just getting a blow out...smh...I realized some years ago...my 4c was never going to look like that...and I got locs but than..I started twisting my locks because they quote unquote needed to be neat and it wasn't until about 8:00 or 9 years ago that I Came Upon the notion of organic or freeform locks and that is when I really understood acceptance for who I was and for my hair and my hair texture I still get family members asking when am I going to twist my hair or friends asking are you ever going to twist your hair or maintain your hair and the answer is my hair is maintained it's clean it's healthy it is maintained for me I don't feel a need to twist my hair if I did it would be because I wanted to not because I felt like I had to so I can fit into a made-up quota and look a certain way to fit in those days for me are over and it's a shame that you know folks are going back to perms it's not cool stay away from it perms have been linked to all types of medical conditions and fibroid conditions and fertility issues within black women be your natural self love who you💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗
First time watching. Great video. I'm the 4c girl who permed twice since going natural in 2010 I was originally given a perm at age 6 for all the reasons you mentioned in this video- thinking my hair was unmanageable, and feeling like I could do more when it was permed. But Ive been back on my natural joinery for a year and half and will not be going back. Those girls on those boxes got me feeling some type of way! Like being duped, conned, and bamboozled is not cool, and although these natural hair products do work, we've been duped again thinking it's black faces behind the brand. We just gotta do what works for us and stick to that, don't give these ppl the satisfaction of thinking we're broken and need to be fixed. Thanks for the video. ❤️✨✌🏾
I had my first perm at 5 years old. Now being 27 years old, I’ve slowed down with relaxers by letting my hair grow just by shampoo, conditioner, and hair oil. My new “relaxer” will be a hair masque from now on.
She's right type 4 hair actually doesn't need a ton of products and we are actually working against ourselves putting 5-6 products in our hair. I used to pile on so many products and my hair was still tangled and crunchy. Check out Ms. Mississippi's channel for an example. She doesn't even use conditioner (just shampoo and grease) and her hair is 4b and super long! I'm 4b and all I use is a conditioner, shampoo, and some type of grease. My hair is good for a week, doesn't tangle terribly like it used to, and less breakage.
