I'm sorry I didn't believe Daisuke. Join the Guilty Gear Overture Discord: t.co/VBg2r5RwSd Thank you to Nicky C for help with the script! And to Cereza for waxing me... Also s/o to Leon Massey for LoL footage. You're a brave soldier.
3:30 That Guilewinquote origin story is proof people who mock/complain about weird ports to less conventional FGC systems (like handhelds or the Wii here) are idiots.
Fun fact! A lot of people thought XRD copied Blazblue with the Valentines being Murakumo units, and the Backyard being the Boundary. But these concepts were introduced in this game first, technically making Blazblue the one who's doing the copying!
Yea, especially since Noel’s design in Calamity Trigger and Continuum Shift does look somewhat similar to Valentine. That is why I always had this inside joke of calling Valentine Evil Noel, even though Valentine came first.
i know there are comp0letely different games with completely different teams and directors.. but i feel claiming one stole form teh other is lie claiming mario kart stole lore from mario party.-
On the legal troubles, its pretty simple to explain what ArcSys still had the rights to Sammy did not publish the first GG game so the IP & that cast was free game, but characters like Dizzy or Slayer who were added later was Sammy/Sega stuff. Some cast though were still ArcSys through my favorite thing LEGAL LOOPHOLES BABY You see for example That Man physically first appeared in the games in GGX Plus storymode and more heavily in GGXX, but he was first name dropped in GGML & seen earlier in the Ky lightnovel, which also is the first appearance of Raven which is how he is also able to be in this game despite first being properly named & shown only later in GGXX for the gamers. Now there is 1 thing I would like to talk about, Accent Core as it is the real interesting stuff. ArcSys only got the full rights back to GG in 2011, so how did they make new versions of X/XX in 2006 especially when it was NOT published by Sega/Sammy? Thats a mystery baby
Finding a game plug to break street date, have imports, or install mod chips was so much more appreciated back then before digital/worldwide releases happened. Somethings you just miss 😢.
@@XerzeneOverture combat already close to a character action game, just need more polish. Sol and Ky moveset also can translate easily to 3d. Maybe they can finally make story mode actually engaging with this instead of making it entirely anime lmao.
1:27 This is crazy to me. Like can you imagine a Street Fighter installment chucking everyone except Ryu and Ken and filling the roster with OCs donut steals? That's hecking wacky, like that would ever happen, likely story. 😂
While everyone's begging for Dizzy to come back _-(again)-_ , here I am, the lone faithful soldier championing for the odd Doctor Paradigm in fighting game form. Also, "Diva" is just the theme for Valentine's final form, her first theme was "The Mask does Not Laugh", which is still a banger in it's own right and a lot of her "DNA" can still be felt in her successors (at least in Xrd). And since early Blazblue took a lot of cues from GG, that means "Sol's dead wife"-type replicas also in some form inspired "Ragna's little sister"-clones. Lastly, I'd love to see the series experiment in this odd formula again, though in all honesty I wouldn't really mind a full on 4-man arena fighter with Overture controls (basically mixing it with Isuka)
Whatever the game, Daisuke will always compose a banger. (Please make Gabriel a playable character, Daisuke. He's Slayer's sparring partner and kicks ass.)
The Mask does Not Laugh is a top 3 Guilty Gear themes for me, everyone should give it a listen. While I'm one of many asking for Dizzy's return (because she's one of my mains), I'd love to see Dr. Paradigm become playable, heck even Izuna and Valentine (even though she's dead).
Izuna is what I'm waiting for. DP showed up as an NPC in Xrd story mode at least. Izuna is just completely MIA out of the overture cast currently. When I saw the "land of the Kami" stage, I was for sure he was gonna be revealed, but alas
I thought I was the only one to want Dr. Paradigm. He's a lizard/frog man in a mortarboard. How could people not want that? Fit that I should have been playing the part of "Extras" in my head that says "hallelujah" right before reading your comment.
This was actually the first Musou-esque game I played. I recall feeling disappointed when I decided to sit down with a real Musou game and realized that you couldn't customize your army's mooks, give them orders or create teams of mooks that could serve as surprisingy dependable units so long as their typing were favorable compared to the opposition and covered each other's weaknesses.
Probably the best video introduction to the game for a Guilty Gear fan looking into Guilty Gear 2. Thanks for making this video as this game was the black sheep of the series for a long time. Newer audiences are definitely doing a good job finding the core gameplay loop which contains a somewhat solid 3d Action game in it. I wish Arc System Works would revisit 3D action someday but at this point the closest we will get to Overture 2 is probably something like Vavarion; which being made by one of the developers of GG2 with similar looking movement and combat but with no RTS mechanics.
There's something amusing about Guilty Gear becoming popular and escaping out of that niche hell while KOF and SNK's franchises are still stuck there. Not even having Terry in smash helped, and I honestly doubt the SF6 SNK guests will help at all. Hell at this point I doubt even a Fortnite collab could help SNK to come out of their niche hell to be stop seen as "That company who has its fans in South America."
The thing with SNK is that despite most of their fanbase being located in Latin America, it's mainly for KoF and Metal Slug, while some Fatal Fury games like Real Bout Special are popular, we are talking about very old games, most people are perfectly fine still playing KoF '98 and 2002, and while Latin America has been a growing market, I don't see a lot of people playing KoF XV aside from hard-core players I think SNK is doing everything they can for their games to become hits in the U.S., all of the major marketing for KoF XV was in English, there weren't any trailers in Spanish or Portuguese (though at least the games have subtitles in multiple languages), City of the Wolves will be dubbed into English, but not on other languages, which I can understand, dubbing is expensive, but games like Breath of the Wild/Tears of the Kingdom, Final Fantasy XVI and Mortal Kombat X/11/1 have Latin American Spanish dubs I don't know if SNK can achieve what ArcSys managed to do. Don't know if part of the problem is that KoF's characters aren't as appealing as the ones from Guilty Gear or if game's story is confusing for newcomers and at this point I don't think rebooting KoF would be well received by long-time fans
If there was one man who primarily kept Guilty Gear itslef from drowning, it has to be Daisuke Ishiwatari. That man is _dedicated_ to the world that he crafted, even if it was bleeding money.
I love when spin offs introduce characters that are then added to the main line games, like Sin/Raven to Xrd (sure Raven was in the canon before but obviously never been playable before GG2 Overture), or Momiji in Ninja Gaiden DS getting added to subsequent DOA/NG games, or Es from XBlaze being added to Blazblue Central Fiction. I guess SF did that often with Final Fight characters, but SF never really had many spin-offs if you don't count the FF games, which don't often incorporate characters that originally appeared in SF first, so I kinda don't count the FF games as "SF spin offs".
I will always say it, Overture is horribly underrated. I think that, as a community, is out duty to revive it and make it relevant again, just for the funnies
This is the most positive and optimistic perspective of Overture that I have ever seen. I've always been intrigued to play the game but friends would instantly say "no it's bad just don't play it." As a guilty gear fan who has played mobas quite a bit (*gag*) maybe I'll be able to understand it better. Also Izuna amazing, leave him alone.
Yeah, the soundtrack is unsurprisingly great. "The Mask Does Not Laugh" is also pretty good. The only song I don't like despite liking metal is Raven's theme of "Worthless as the Sun Above Clouds", which is a shame because it has such a cool name but is just a bit too guttural for me.
@@MusicoftheDamnedWorthless as the Sun Above the Clouds actually stands out as the only vocal track. Which makes it _more_ memorable amongst it’s contemporaries unlike Strive, where vocal themes are now the standard.
@@Wolfedge75Yeah. A bit ironic that it's the norm now, though it's not the vocals that bother me and in of themselves but their literal tone since I like Raven's other theme, "Tsuki no Shihai" | "Moon's Domination", which is still pretty metal but nowhere near as guttural.
yeah! this game rules! im so glad you brought more attention to it. the game is a really good moba, a guilty pleasure of mine that i tell other GG fans they should at least try. thanks for the vid, glad you love the game
I'm older that you so I experienced this at launch day as a huge Guilty Gear fan in 2008. When the game was released me and some friends had the idea that the title was named "Guilty Gear 2: Overture" because it was that, an overture, so Arcsys could experiment with the franchise with a weird little game as a world/lore introduction to a hypothetical "real" Guilty Gear 2 that was gonna be a fighting game. I'm pretty sure a lot of people got that concept with this game at the time. We also knew about the copyright hellish issues that Guilty Gear had with Sega but I didn't fully understand how it works, so this was a surprise. I don't exactly know how to explain this, but for me this game feels like a high budget Doujin game... like if the guys who did Crucis Fatal Fake made a Guilty Gear fangame and sold this on Comiket on a DVD-R. It's the mix of the weird gameplay concept, the new characters and most importantly how the 3D models looks. Feels like something unofficial, but it is fucking Guilty Gear 2 for some reason. The game is fine, but yeah, it was mostly hated by the community. As you said, this was way before League of Legends so for most of my friends who like GG this was totally out of place or just a meme. I appreciate Ishiwatari for trying something different but the game is honestly not for me. It's super cheap on Steam and the online still works as you said, so at least give it a try.
I remember exactly the same thing: this game was justified, probably as _copium_ by the fighting community (me included), as "not the real Guilty Gear 2" but just a prologue spin-off to the "real" Guilty Gear that would "obviously" be a fighting game. It also does not help that we had no idea about MOBA as the genre was way less mainstream back then and communities were more siloed. Like Guilewinquote says in the video, it was more commonly compared to the Musō/Warriors series. In hindsight, Arc System Works was way ahead of the curve (and their potential audience) with this idea.
I so desperately want Izuna to come back. I know he has no reason too nor is he like the best character in the series or anything but come on it'd be funny you have to admit
I've been getting a bunch of competitive GG2 videos recommended to me over the past day or two before this popped into my feed. Are we seeing a resurgence -- or more accurately, an awakening? I never really knew there was anything resembling a scene for this game anywhere.
I think it's kinda fascinating that we look back on this game from 2007 and say "That's a MOBA, no doubt" when I think at the time Daisuke and the team were thinking "Musou game but with more depth"
I remember reeding that the separation of the rights was specificly that the only recuring characters they could use for a new instalment (not an update like the og Accent Core for exemple) without having to wait for Sega Sammy's say so (or in the case of Dizzy, having to declaring her directly as Dizzy) were the one from Missing Link (So the original cast, plus Johnny). My main contact with the game before your video was seeing the offhand comment in KBash's Fighters into 3D video, and Cvit mention of in in his Backlogg's description as an game not deserving attention. Probably not the most positive exposure. Then I saw some video of gameplay and tell myself "kinda curse looking for some of the movement, but it do look kinda fun". Whatever people say about this game, I want to buy and play it one day. Diva's an absolute bop.
I always liked this game, It's kind of a lot all at once because every single mechanic is weirdly deep, like minions are a legit rts, melee fighting has a ton of moves and tech, movement is straight up drift racing, but once you get into the flow of it, it's a one of a kind and really fun game.
The top down fight with that Man is kind of interesting to consider because it plays identically to some Nier Gestalt (and now, by extention Nier Automata and Furi) boss fights. A whole 3-4 years before Gestalt's release.
Speaking of, the project lead for this game is making a spiritual successor with an original setting. It's called _Varvarion_ and I think it's focusing more on the character action than the strategy, but some of the bones are still there, and it looks really neat.
Hey man, speaking of unique takes in fighting games, you should talk about jjba:heritage for the future, one of the most original fighting games ever and really diferent from the other capcom fighters
HFTF is unique but idk if its in nearly the same camp as Overture when it comes to uniqueness GG2 is like a game that will only ever exist once that's probably impossible to follow up on. Yiu coukd absolutely make a follow up to HFTF
I would really love to see them do something other than fighting games again. I can't say I blame them for sticking with what they do best, but these experimental games are super interesting
Hello guile, sorry for my bad english because i dont know if you take requests but by seeing you love obscure fgs i recomend you to check the Dual Blades and its sequels Slashers and Dual Souls Dual Blades is a *Turkish* indie fg released on the *gameboy advance* , and one of the 5 gba games with M rating. By the gameplay you could say that is a mix between SamSho, SF3 and Guilty Gear, with things such as a roman cancel, parry, burst, super select and fatalities. The game also have an Arcade, training, survival, score attack, time attack and a *combo challenge / tutorial for a gba* and *A COMMAND LIST THAT EXPLAINS ALL SPECIALS AND UNIVERSAL MECHANICHS* , something that other gba fgs such as ggx, sfa3 and tekken didnt had for the console (and even other consoles). About the gameplay most characters have simple inputs shuch as in Akatsuki, with them being quarter circles, down down, foward down and back foward (but they're not charge moves). The buttons are slash (kinda like a medium slash from sam sho, that you can do a 3 frame jab if you input foward too), big slash ( heavy slash, also grab foes if you press foward while close), kick ( a medium attack that if you input foward will be a 3 frame kick too) and the power button. The power button is special because if you tap two times you do a taunt that gains meter, and if you press power + slash you do an overhead. Also all supers are done with this button. The gimmicks of this game are pretty intersting too, let me explain. There is a parry in this game that works exactly like sf3, input foward before getting hit (that is called block, because the game calls standart blocking guarding for some reason). Recovery, the roman cancel is done by pressing both slash + big slash while perfoming a move ( and costs some meter ). The burst is called breaker and is done by pressing back + slash + big slash while taking damage (costs a full meter bar). You can dash and back dash by pressing one of the side buttons two times. Now the plot and characters are very unique in my opinion. The setting is a more *realistic take of the middle age* , but unhapply i didnt finished the arcade mode yet. The cast is composed of: Kanae and Brendan are the shotos with all the toolkit of one and command grabs. She is a samurai wanting revenge and he is an adventurer who loves danger (His motto is nothing venture nothing gain) and simps for all women in the game. Andre is a templar knight who is also a parry/ big body and maybe a grappler ( he is slow and have a follow up to his throw ). His taunt also throw a rose like dudley, and is a insanely good projectile. He fights to save his kingdom from the lizard people. Efe is an ottoman warrior and a zoner with his high low mixup of projectiles. He fights for Türkiye as far as I know. Rungard is also a zoner who cant dash but have a special teleport. He have fire, eletric and ice projectiles that give you unfair hit stun (he is a psycho who wants to destroy the world, thats it). He is based in a viking/ celtic sorcerer probaly. Shin is a rushdown zoner with the most damaging and safest projectile in the game, its insane diagonal range is impossible to jump or crouch over it. To his design he is green testament who uses crows who loves the blood of a slit throat and people screaming ☠️ (Not even The Boys have that shi ) Nagashapa is an elderly Mongolian sorceress and farmer, who give you all kind of curses like no jump, no specials and backwards controller. She uses ghosts for those attacks. And we have Jaman, one of the lizard man that attacks Andre's kingdom. He looks like a mix between an armadillo, akuma and blanca and plays exactly like those with the exception of summoning lizards for his attacks (also a 1 frame active overhead aimed at the foe). Well, that its Dual Blades for today. I could say something about the sequels but thats another history. Also sorry for the big text.
i think this game would best be described as an RTS still, it's not quite a MOBA. MOBAs dont tend to have the amount of unit micro that this does, especially not DOTA or league. however this is an excellent idea and there's a lot of people who miss the RTS genre, which died not just due to lack of entries, but also being really challenging to just pick up and play cuz of, yknow, the micro. i think an accessible revision of this concept would be, at absolute worst, a cult classic. i'd give it a shot for sure. also one of my favorite vids from you, i appreciate your attitude towards media and how deliberate you are with constructing a video and engaging with what you're covering. absolutely worth the wait c:
One of my favorite GG songs, "The Man" came from here. Also, you cannot convince me that Asuka's projectile spam gameplay in Strive wasn't inspired by his boss fight in GG2
In an early reveal for the title daisuke said that it wasn't really meant to stand out, maybe partly due to them wanting the game to appeal to new players but I have a theory its also cause the number 4 is an unlucky number in jap and asian culture
Guilty Gear 2 was the first game in the series that I played. I picked it up because I thought it looked a bit like Devil May Cry meets Musou, and I knew nothing about MOBAs. What a strange introduction to the series, but I enjoyed it
Guilty gear 2 was legitimately my first exposure to guilty gear. I remember absolutely nothing about it, except for the characters, and the fact that I hated playing it. I had this negative stigma around guilty gear as a whole, up until strive’s release. I saw all this positive press, and people praising it as the best in the franchise. I remembered my experience playing guilty gear 2, and put strive off as “just more anime slop.” (Actual thing I sent to my hardcore anime friend) Around the release of season 2 though, I saw a character that, in retrospect, changed my whole perception of the characters in the franchise, Ky. He looked so much different than his appearance in guilty gear 2, that I at first thought he was a different character. I legitimately saw lightning powers, and the cool cinematic that plays when you use RTL, and thought that was the coolest thing in a fighting game I had ever seen Lmao, I’m easy to please. I decided to bite the bullet, and try out strive (unfortunately the day before the release of season 2, and the $20 price cut, still mad about that.) That decision led to my investment in fighting games, and my heavy involvement in the FGC. So, legitimately, if it wasn’t for guilty gear 2, I probably never would’ve discovered my love for fighting games and the community. So, I guess an undeserved thank you is warranted for guilty gear 2.
I saw gameplay of this game a day ago and i was honestly just impressed at the skill on display ive never seen menuing so fast and gameplay so interesting
Out of all the fighting games I've heard about but havent seen any discussion for, I'd love a video about Capcom Fighting Evolution and what it's deal is.
This game has the debut of George Nakata as the current japanese voice actor, and in my opinion, the best English voice for Sol, Troy Baker. And, correct, Diva is the best song in the entire franchise. Still waiting paitently for Guilty Gear 3: Interlude!
This is crazy because I was just dusting up on my guilty gear lore and found this game and was so confused about what I was and here we are a month later with another great analysis.
It's crazy to see support for this game in 2024. I've had this since release, and the community felt like it had like 50 max between US and JP. I didn't ever know it was on steam, lol.
Amazing how this game is getting more love now. I used to play this a LOT as a kid, but could never really find someone to play it with back then. Maybe I'll have better luck now...
This came out the year Brutal Legend was even announced and figured out a more robust Rock n Roll themed Action-RTS for consoles than Double Fine would two years later. Sure ArcSys had a history for fighting games, but I'd still call it a similar leap DF took from a platformer in terms of scope and stuff. And the game had a similar fate two years before BL by confusing reviewers and players, and being judged primarily on the campaign that was meant to be more an extended tutorial for multiplayer. I love history. Wonder how things might have gone if they weren't exclusive to Xbox back then, even. Cause honestly a bunch of weird games catch on, but a weird Xbox exclusive anime-style Japanese game like GG2 had no chance at all back then with what I even remember. Shudder to imagine the G4 skits.
I played through this a couple years ago and had a pretty good time. I think it's definitely worth a shot. I picked it up just to see characters like Sin get introduced to the setting but I was pleasantly surprised by the actual gameplay.
[ 04. ] -> Kurohyō: Ryū ga Gotoku duology (2010-2012, PSP) Another Japan exclusive duology, which is a spin-off of the Yakuza - Like A Dragon series by SEGA, and focuses on the more intricacies and mechanics of fighting more than the mainline games, and hence it outshines those and stands apart as its own formidable and wholesome entry in the franchise. Both games are awesome but its the sequel which prominently has the feature which I wanted to highlight, the ability to create our own character and be able to customise every single aspect of combat, whether that be what style of punches, what types of kicks, what type of grabs and what would be the counters and what would be the super moves from the available 20+ martial arts. So another super underrated and overlooked game which would be a great learning point in the Baki X Kengan game's character creator part, where we the player have total control to what moves, styles and combinations we want out of our fighter. And some of the more exclusive moves which will only be available when the in-game created character has a certain physical modification which mirror those of the characters from the manga/anime. Like if I wanted my created character to, I simply can't apply for Blast Core as Level 3 cuz my character won't have Superman Syndrome to execute it like Wakatsuki. So Superman Syndrome would be a unlockable modification available maybe after unlocking in-game or DLC. Other great examples to learn from - • Def Jam Vendetta (2003, PS2/GameCube) • Def Jam: Fight for NY (2004, PS2/PSP/GameCube/Xbox) -> Kurohyou Duology uses the same engine as this game since it was made by the same developers • The Con (2005, PSP) • WWE SmackDown! Here Comes the Pain (2003, PS2) • Victorious Boxers: Ippo's Road to Glory (2001, PS2) • Victorious Boxers: Revolution (2007, Wii) • Hard Knock High (2007, PS2) • Urban Reign (2005, PS2) • God Hand (2006, PS2) -> especially it's fighting aspects such as animations, roulette system for the the more versatile characters • Sakigake!! Otokojuku (2005, PS2) • Sakigake!! Otokojuku: Nihon yo, Kore ga Otoko de aru!! (2014, PS3)
I hear about this game from time to time. What a shift during the time! Seems like an underrated title too, but it's cool to hear that theres a small dedicated community revolving around the game.
[ 03. ] -> Supremacy MMA aka Supremacy MMA: Unrestricted for the PS Vita (2011, PS3/PS Vita/360). An obscure MMA fighting game which at its time got bad reviews and does have its flaws but it's strengths are undeniable. It has EXACTLY the kind of gameplay, effects, aspects and vibe that is required in a true, source-faithful and fan pleasing audience for a Kenganverse based or even Baki based fighting game. The brutality and tone in this game rivals that of Mortal Kombat but not much gore and not THAT graphic, and uses very real life accurate character models. But the knockouts ,bone breaking and limb snapping effects are very much in line with how fights are in Kengan and Baki, and should be rightfully expected in a faithful game
I can't get over how easily arc sys just took the combat of a convoluted fighter and made it 3d + co-op compatible just because they couldn't make Xrd yet. Meanwhile SF and Tekken took years to make a decent spread of singleplayer content for the audience that funds their game in the first place
I want an overture sequel really badly. There are so many characters that I’d love to play with in this style of game. And some of them have cannon minions and soldiers that could act as units! Like Chipp, Leo, and zato. Hell, it would be a perfect opportunity to introduce Gabriel as a playable character
Thanks Guile, now I want a GG j/crpg with style of modern GG (maybe little bit darker atmosphere like earlier tiltes) and the fighting game/character's mechanics carried over into 3d like GG2 all with player choice, minus moba mechanics
It’s so funny seeing me and stone’s recent exhibition being b-roll footage for +R. Great work as always! I could never wrap my head around this game but I bought it to give it another try.
