When I bought my Yugo M48 I did a lot of research on the platform, and you are so right. The Yugo does differ from the 98k in some important ways. My Yugo M48 is real shooter.
I've a like new rebuilt M24/47, along with an M48 with a milled floor plate. All three of my Turk Mausers are much more finely machined than the Yugo models, but they are all nice guns-John in Texas
Saw a yugo at a gun show yesterday and the guy was doing the very same thing you talk about in this video. Putting German ammo next to it and trying to pass off as a 98
Ten years ago I bought a Yugo rework Kar98k for $250 and I love it. Beater German marked 98ks were going for $500 at the time. Now the Yugo rifles are going for triple that price in some cases and you can't touch a German marked rifle for less than $1,000. I'm glad I got mine when I did. It might not be as collectible but it still scratches the same itch.
i have a mauser. its an argentine mauser that was sporterized by sears in the 1920s i believe. they cut down the original stock, but didnt touch the crest or any numbers and there are no import markings. it was rechambered in and marked as 30-06. its a gorgeous numbers matching rifle with all the belgium markings. when i bought it i really just wanted the action for a custom rifle, but then i fell in love with it as is.
I will never really call any military surplus “non collectors items” none of these guns are being produced anymore and they will all continue to gain value. Just look at the Russian 91/30’s that were called “garbage rods back in the 90’s and 00’s they now go for $500 all the time. I will always view and millsurp rifle as a collectible, mausers most of all
Got my M48 Yugo 21years ago for $95. I knew exactly what it was when I found it at a show, this is the first I've heard of them being passed off as K98s. To bad, the 48 is still a great gun and that $95 was the best gun money I ever spent. Especially since folks like Badace Tactical have fabricated some great items for simple modification.
I have both a m48 & m24. The m24 is better quality with milled rather than some pressed parts. As a left hander the straight bolt works better for me as well and cycles super smoothly. The m48 looks great though with the steel but plate & k98 style gun strap. It’s nice to have both! A k98, forget about it. With today’s prices that ship has sailed!
This video is two years old now. If only the prices on everything Mauser - or just almost everything surpluss for that matter - were still as you think they should be.
20 years ago I went looking for a K98. The gunshop I went to had about a dozen Russian captures that looked like a T34 ran over them. Even then the prices were $1000 or more. In the same rack was a M48 for $299. I bought that, and then learned it was a Mitchell's Mauser. I don't really care, as I was looking for a shooter not a collectible, and it is a damned good rifle.
1000 bucks 20 years ago for RCs? Sounds a bit off to me. About 20 years ago I bougth four RC's from J&G in Presscott Arizona for 229 a piece - with tax. They all looked like they'd been thru a war - who'd a thought it! But they were all great shooters. I had some economic dificulties in 17 and had to sell three of them. I kept the best one and will never part with it.
I just picked myself up an m24/47 on sale from Cabela's gun library for $360 in service grade condition pretty much knowing what I'm paying for, I am happy to have it in my wanna be collection, especially considering some knot head across town I seen earlier that day had the same exact thing in his shop trying to hawk it for $950 and telling me well and well that about blah blah blah, glad I went on down to Cabela's in that instant, no one there trying to blow sunshine up me im not wanting to hear.
My all matching Yugo M48 cost me 500 about a year and a half ago. I love it, I reload for it, I wish it fit under my pillow. German K98's go for too much nowadays. I might pay 1000 for an RC but even that would be a stretch for me. Thank you for the video, it is very easy to get beat on the Mausers. Between their history, variations and popularity.
Boy, I learned so much from your video. I have the 24/47 with Century Arms markings and it is a very accurate rifle. I bought it fairly cheap many years ago because I love the old World War II firearms. I am not a collector and would never spend my hard-earned cash on an original Mauser. I thank you for informing us on what is real and what is not real. As you know, there are a lot of A**holes out there who will rip us off and do. I am not ashamed to admit that I have been taken myself, but it comes with the territory if I don't do my research properly. Your video cuts to the chase and has helped me figure out what to look for if I ever want to buy another one. Thank you and have a great day.
I have a 24/47 Mauser. I removed the rear sight and put a Weaver 4X scout scope on it. This rifle will put six rounds on target, one hundreds yards away, in a hole that you can cover with a dime! This is the straightest shooting rifle that I have ever owned!
I have a German k98k yugo rebuild I bought in 2014 for $399 I thought that was a decent deal considering the refurbished parts looked very nice ,I took it apart and was able to trace it to a 1943 byf or Mauser manufacture,I’m really like it I don’t feel bad taking it out and shooting it ..and ya I see lots of guys buying the m48 thinking they are getting a ww2 gun …great video
I bought a Hugo M24 47 20 years ago when they just started importing them the thing was like brand new apparently it was packed away for 45 or 50 years no it's not a k98 but that gun is a nice gun smooth action accuracy is good and it was built on Belgian tooling say what you will, I paid $139 for that gun. Rock Solid gun
I just ordered a Yugo M48A and paid $319 which makes me very happy - I used to have a nice Mauser collection but had to let them go due to a financial down period.... but I still have all the dies, brass, bullets and some loaded ammo so I wanted to get a good 7.92x57 chambered gun - and so when I saw this one available at a wholesaler, I had to get it. Surprisingly, there is plenty of milsurp 7.92 ammo available right now - Turk, Yugo, and more - the Yugo ammo would be my pick from those two....
I would pay the same for all of them. No more, no less. Unless its a J.P. Sauer K98k Mauser CE 44 - WWII Stamped. Which, I already have along with the Yugo & Czech rifles,
I never buy on impulse. I notice something that interests me and do research, and learn about the things. I have Swedish, Chilean, YugM48, K98. and I always got them at a good price..
Being an owner of all those it’s good to see some one sharing some good down and dirty general knowledge to protect people from unscrupulous gun dealers. Just good old fashion listen up! Thank you! 👍👍🙌
i got a 98k/48 for 300 but the stock was sporterized other than that the rifle was on pretty solid condition iam spending more in parts to restore it than the amount i paid for it
The cabelas near me has about two dozen Yugo mausers in not good shape for like 500 bucks. they have all been sitting there for about a year. no one has touched them. Im tempted to haggle and see if i can get one for 250
The preduzece 44 Mod 98 is actually a real Kar98k wich is reworked, so they where basicly just overhauled but everything stayed original, the only changed the stamp on the reciever. I have one with all matching serial numbers and all the WaA stamps are still on it, only on the receiver is a yugo coat of arms. I really like this gun, it is in nearly perfect condition, except the stock wich is a bit worn off but still good and i only payed 400€ for it just because it was restampt. If i would have bought a Kar98k with all orginal stamps on it in same condition i would have paid like 1500€ and for a medium one arround 1000€. So yeah you said everything wich is important.
The 44 model 90 eights are quality guns, of course because they’re German and they were cherry picked by the Hugos to be the best survive and copies but then they marked off all the German markings which reduces the value by 2/3 here in the US
It depends, if you have a Preduceze 44 mod 98 you have a original Kar98k only with the yugo mariking on the receiver. I have one and on everything exept the receiver are the original WaA stamps and all numbers are matching.
@@robrob9050 every Kar98k before 1943 is really good and has A+ materials. The only thing you should not buy if you want a gun with good materials (except you are collecting them) are late war guns, so 1945 or 1944, but even some 1944 Kar98k are good atleast the onces of the first half of the year. But the steal and so on is still good, the only saved on a few things like like the rings that hold the barrel to the stock (don't know how they are namend in english) and the stock.
@@kuessebrama As to original German barrels remaining on Yugo-reworked rifles: It's certainly possible. My original comment only said that "a lot" of the Yugo re-works have new (Yugo) barrels on them.
@@robrob9050 I prefer not to get into disputes online, but - for what it's worth: I am unaware of any trusted sources that indicate that the German rifle materials truly suffered, in terms of their characteristics, through the end of the war. I'd have to go back and look at the books by Karem & Steves or even R. Law. Fit and finish certainly suffered greatly as the war went on; but my observation is that this usually is most noticeable in late 1944 and 1945 K98ks. But even as early as 1942 (if I recall correctly), the Germans did start making tweaks to the individual components in an attempt to start saving production time.
hey boss great video, i was just given a 24/47 by my grandfather but its in pretty tarnished because it was just sitting in a garage for god knows how long. i noticed it has small amounts of rust in the rifling. i couldnt see the rest of the inside of the barrel but i assume its in the same shape throughout. my question is, if i get someone to clean it really well, should i be safe to shoot it?
@@psp1921tsmg the rifling looks sharp still but it definitely needs to be professionally cleaned lol. Also, any leads for a bolt assembly somewhere? 😂 i forgot to mention that it doesn’t have a bolt at all. I’ve looked where I could and all I found is something I’ve put bid on at eBay for a ridiculous amount of $200. It’s the only one I was able to find in stock online.
Hi, I just bought a Yugo M24/47 Mauser. I knew I wasn’t getting the real thing, but overall, I’m happy because I’m getting a Mauser that I can shoot without guilt. I do have some questions. My rifle has no visible import markings. Do you know where they would be if not at the end of the rifle? Or does this mean it was imported before ‘68? I notice that my standard serial number is stamped on the barrel but it appears again with a V in front of it on the other side of the barrel with a different method of engraving, not sure if that’s relevant but I thought it was odd to put it in the same barrel twice on opposite sides. My next question is about serial numbers. Since these are refurbished, there is a standard serial number on all gun parts when it was made at the Prejudice 44 plant. There are other serial numbers; one on the plate below the action, one on the side of the bolt handle, and a N808 number on the butt stock. Am I right in assuming those numbers are the original serial numbers from the original Serbian made Belgian model M24’s those parts came from? Do you happen to know where the stocks stamped with an N serial number originally came from? The wood finish look like walnut.
You are above my skill set on all the markings. However. The import marking on those is usually on the barrel behind the front sight. It is often very light
I had a czech mauser k 98, not sure if it was a scrubbed one or postwar. It had that big winter trigger guard, absolutely no German markings. Laminated red stock. One piece nosecap. To this day, i still wonder. It was exactly a k 98 in every way but no markings but czech brno.
From what I’ve read. Belgian contract guns were first and then Yugoslavia started making their on 24s. But I can’t seem to get a definite number or date.
Sadly these excellently made rifles had their reputation marred because of those who wanted to pass them off for what they are not. But great rifles they are, and perhaps that confusion is fortunate because it seems to have kept their prices down compared to others. Mine was bought in almost un-issued condition. It shoots wonderfully, takes a variety of milsurp ammo like a champ. And while they didn't see combat at the time they were made, they are still a weapon of the cold war and part of the swan song of bolt action military firearms, much like the Mosin M44.
@@psp1921tsmg Gun Broker listings are all about clickbait, e.g. "Mosin Nagant 91/30 59 44" all in one, lol. These days there's no excuse for not doing one's homework. So much information that's easy to find and organized.
@@psp1921tsmg agreed, and it's important to educate. Thank goodness now it's much harder to get duped, unless one is lazy and in a rush, gripped by the fear of missing out.
About 20 years ago, I sighted in a $100.00 Turk Mauser that I found for a workmate. It produced a 3 shot sub 1" group at 100 yards with Turk 7.92 x 57. Don't forget to thoroughly clean the firing pin channel on Mausers with old Cosmoline or grease, as this can slow down the firing pin and cause dry fires. You must use a bronze tooth brush dipped in solvent. Pour hot water down barrel at the breach end to wash out any primer salts before cleaing the barrel-John in Texas
My friend is willing to sell me a Yugoslavian m48 where can I send you pictures and you can tell me more or less the volume and which one of the three it is?
@@psp1921tsmg the Yugo KAR98K I bought 2 years ago had the waffenampts on most of the small parts and some of the waffenampts scattered around the gun had the same numbers on like 4 parts. But the stock on mine is a early war hardwood walnut stock with a very good amount of Dirty Birds on it still.
I also knew that these m48s were not k98s i found a pristine m48 matching # mitchels mouser great shooter and thats all i wanted it for paid 400 worth every penny ps i only run non corrosive as i reload my own ammo with modern primers and powder
My M48 does not have the "A" after the M48 stamping. It has import markings but no other alterations that I can tell. It is a very nice shooter (better and more accurate than my 1944 K98). The crest and S/N appear original. What do I have here?
@@psp1921tsmg Totally. I got a freshly carved out of the cosmoline crate Yugo M24/47 for 350 the other week. It had a mirror bore and cleaned up really nice. Shoots around 2 moa with surplus.
I have the 24/47, all the marking are right, but I thought it was a 7mm so I bought 7mm it shot great, but then learned it was 8mm, they also shot great, my question is will 7mm cause any problems to my gun????
"They're not collectible" .... I guess it depends on what you're collecting. It also depends on when you say it. Another 20 or 30 years and they absolutely will be collectible. Not everyone that's looking for a mid-century mauser is looking for a German gun. Personally, I don't own a gun I won't shoot. Personally, I collect "interesting" guns. You could also say "wildly impractical" guns (there's a lot of single action revolvers and a desert eagle in there). I appreciate you pointing out that Yugo mausers aren't German but to imply they're junk just isn't accurate. They are, in fact, vintage military rifles built on one of the best actions every invented.
I recently bought an old South West African Mauser...indicating "Waffenfabric-Mauser Oberndorf n/a" Doesn't look nearly as any Mauser I have seen before...someone interresting in ID it flr me?
@@psp1921tsmg I think RU-vid may have removed me previous comment with a link to the rifle on GunBroker. It looks clean, no cosmoline. However no pictures of the bore. Reading more of the description. He says it has not been issued since it was last arsenaled and the bore is good....but not pictures
@@psp1921tsmg You are right. With shipping, FFL transfer fee, I am paying closer to 800 than 700. Probably a reason there are no bids. Thank you very much for replying and providing insight.
Have no idea what you got from here, but I assume that most of yugo mausers are not new but used either in yugo wars back in 1991-95 or were used by reservists prior to the war, however we had also a lot of mauser guns in storage, It may be also a new one's. About the difference in the wood on yugo mauser, it is because yugoslavia bought a Belgian license for mauser prior to the WW2 and continue to produce them after WW2. Fun fact yugo mauser produced after WW2 are half German namely Yugoslavia got German machineries for Mauser as well as for MG 42 as part of German reparations
Hi Scott my name is Joe, Can I ask a favor of you? I have a specimen of one of these LOL! But I am not sure what model, It looks like it had some one that in the past tried to sporterize this poor thing it has no markings of any except WZ 29 on the receiver housing and a few numbers on the bolt and some on the floor plate it has the stock for the bent bolt cut out and sling , and firing pin disassembly hole yet it has a straight bolt? The stock appears to have been cut down long ago. So what i am asking is if i sent you pictures could you help me in identifying it? I have some new brass and some speer 150 grain Spitzers ready to reload but I want to be sure of what I have first this thing has been sitting in the back of the safe for over 40 years when I came across for a trade back in the day. So if you could help please return a message and I will send pics thank you Joe.
Wz-29 is a polish radom built Mauser No markings means it was probably a Spanish civil war gun. Check out my video on polish mausers. 150 grain should work well
@@psp1921tsmg Thank you mine appears to be the scrub Spanish no markings one with a cavalry sling stock The wood is as you said but shortened stock I am giving it a good cleaning and going to load up some fresh ammo for it, I hope it shoots as straight as yours Thank You Joe.
My friend is willing to sell me Yugoslavian m48 where can I send you pictures? so you can tell me more less the value and what do you think I think it’s the third one of of the ones in the video
Check forgotten weapons video, Zastava did not have differsnt serial numbers, it had ID number and a serial number fam (wierd i know) Please do some research before claiming stuff like that, also M48s were made after Germany gave Yugoslavia their kar 98k manufacturing machines as a way to pay some of the war damages so its not a bootleg copy, it was done on the original 98k machines from Germany. Now how do I know that? Well I know people here in Croatia that worked on those bad boys back in Yugoslavia, same goes for m53 which was made using MG42 machines and measurements given to Yugoslavia by Germany after WW2. Hope you learned something lads ❤❤
Whether the Germans were forced to give k98 machines. The m48 and the m48a are not k98 designs. Further since you are not familiar with us import regulation. If the series of imported firearms contains numbers that repeat or contain some non English symbols the importer is required to engrave an applied number Also importers often use an applied serial number so they can report the serial number range to the ATF. That’s why I called it an applied serial number as that is what the ATF demands. I’m not referring to how the guns were made. I’m referring to how the guns are found and sold in the unites states. How smart you are often is affected by where you are standing. I don’t expect someone not from the US to understand convoluted US gun control requirements
One quieation, say you did realise that they are not german guns, ok well you just likee it and at least if you bought it because you love rifles, does it shoot well is it accurate the face that its not made in germany. Thats the most important thing, will it shoot well and its accurate. Good vid you did, makes you be more patient before yiu but old rifles.🤜🤛
@@psp1921tsmg I have seen those Mitchell Mausers sold over $1200 sometimes. I wonder if the sellers are similar to the ones you have mentioned in this video. I have been looking for a BRNO VZ-24 but they are hard to find.
@@psp1921tsmg if they can talk every M-24 could tell some horror story, these have seen lot of crap, in Balkans no quarters were given to nazis and vice versa
So you actually didn’t watch the video through? Or any of the other in the series? Is a sanitized 98. It’s just not worth the price of a 98 with dirty birds.
Please do realize that this fellow is talking collector value. He doesn't want you to pay for a gun "that was at Stalingrad" when in fact it was made 5 or 6 years later. But if you want a good shooter, I'd love to own any one of those frankly. But I would not represent them as collector's items.
Unfortunately, in the gun business around me and in my experience traveling across the country, it is common to have other guns that are not true k98 represented as World War II Nazi guns and “World War II captured gun” is placed on a post war Mauser. May be a good shooter but not worth ww2 German prices
But yugo m48 was made with German machines,confiscate by Russia and given to Yugoslavia. So m48 is high quality Master , even better then late stamped production of k98k
Better? No I don’t think so unless you only include the last couple months of the war. In addition the 48 is a 1924 style receiver not a k98 length receiver
@@psp1921tsmg i am thinking of last series of k98k, they did not have time and steel in the last days. I have new milled m48 and genuine milled k98k byf, quality is same. No difference(except upper wooden handguard and shorter bolt on m48). Same machine produced both of them. Preduzeće44 is zastava factory,200 years of expirience, very skilled machinists work there. You all love m70ab2,same factory. And you pronaunce it very bad, not even close. Sorry on my bed English
If you buy a German K98 (a, ab or K) chances are the bore may well be wore or nearly shot out.... One of the very best Mauser Karbiner build was by DWM (1937) on the Portuguese contract. It not a K98K...but its built quality is very fine ..UK Ryton Arms imported a vast amount in 1990s.. There out three... Check em out
