Social Anhedonia & Schizoid Personality 

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Four or five years ago I was a schizoid-aspie type person who was nearly catatonic my asociality had so dominated who I was. I literally had no idea what to do. I watched your video "Schizoid Personality Disorder - Recovery?" and I said to myself, "Question mark? Is it even possible to get better from this?" That piece of punctuation literally made all the difference in my life. Since then I've graduated from college, entered the workforce, and am an INTJ engaged to an ENFP. It was hell on earth and I still feel like nobody cares to understand me but I understand myself much better. Thanks for the return to the Schizoid content. I couldn't be more excited. You don't know me but your content has been immesurably important in my little drab life.

I have this and autism and it’s very difficult to be myself around people. When I’m alone I have a good sense of myself and who I am. The moment I’m in front of Somone speaking it all comes out strange and I leave every social situation feeling “wow they don’t know me any better, they definitely have the wrong idea because that wasn’t even me” it’s hard

I am schizoid, I was waiting all my life for any real interest from the side of others, but there was none, only the "interest" to cause me crucial damage. Interest is the expression of God himself, it can not come from people. I am really happy, I will never get along with people. Many great Thanks!!

We need to bring back some modern equivalent of monasteries/nunneries for people like us. Somewhere where we can spend most of our time in quiet contemplation and occasionally talk to others who are doing the same if we wish

As a schizoid, lived alone for years since my early 20s for decades, I agree that finding the right people is a problem, I have searched for some sort of meaningful relationships in the past but have always been bitterly disappointed with some very serious betrayals and serious slights directed towards me which has abruptly ended the relationship; I would say I've very much given up as it's futile. I've been very generous with my time, money and energy with people and I just get it all thrown back in my face. I have a knack or talent for getting people to drop their mask to reveal their true personality and thoughts towards me without provocation and almost always they reveal something extremely ugly about themselves. I remember when I was younger, I worked in an investment bank and there this beautiful, intelligent woman actually showed some interest in me (she looked like Naomi Watts), I decided to show some interest and she seemed fine but then one day when some typical toxic work colleague decide to take out his life's frustrations out on me she was nearby and for no rational reason and very suddenly decided to join in putting me down, suffice to say I cut myself off from her completely. Years later she married some guy in the office, now divorced with two kids and I noticed on this guys Facebook when they were splitting up that he put posts up about toxic people in male/female relationships. I just know when something aint right with someone. I'm content these days to work from home, paint, read books, watch TV series etc I have immediate family in the area but they mostly tried to con me out of money (the father for example was one who tried to con me out of money, he never raised me or supported me in childhood whatsoever), the rest of the family support him in whatever misdemeanor he would ever decide to bestow upon me. I joined clubs in my city but it's just the usual selfish people who don't care whether you live or die. I can spend weeks not having a conversation with anyone or seeing anyone and it doesn't bother me, it's very comfortable indeed. I look back at my life and regreat the thousands of hours that I've spent with people, nasty people, indifferent and uncarring people; I think it was Lemmy from Motorhead said that 'most people out there are just not worth your time.' and I wholeheartedly agree. The other 'strange thing' about me is as you said at the start of your video you stated that most schizoids may seem remote or aloof but not with me, I can go out there and switch on the 'normal mode' and be perfectly sociable but I do not enjoy it at all and life is too short to live life lying to yourself. You need a very keen eye to spot the schizoid personality that I have or know something about my lifestyle and connect the dots but few truly know.

People and relationships are so nasty and complicated, which is why I mostly socialize with musical instruments and computers nowadays. I often feel a deeper connection with a musical piece or a computer program I write, than what I imagine would even be possible with another human being.

The sad thing with my SPD is that I can only relate to people that don't want to be around other people, but the idea of a "community" of people with SPD is a concept that only adds to my suffering. I also think this is why being understood is not the solution to the SPD dilemma. I told my doctor that I just can't be around others, it just always feels like a burden/ struggle and he told me that I want to be around them, but I just never found anyone that I felt comfortable to be around. I think he wanted to motivate me, but in the end it made me only feel even more broken.

True, communication with someone not on the same level of personality depth is pointless in long run.

Yes, it seems like a person with schizoid their is one caretaker from the Cluster B. A pattern you learn to ignore your emotions as the cluster B people are very selfishly expressive emotionally; your emotions are not taught to you when you are young.

Thank you so much! I finally found someone who really understands me: You! Socializing is so exhausting for me, 5 minutes of smalltalk feel for me like running a marathon. Actually I also live with my wife for 20 years and she is the only person in my life. But even she doesn't really understand many things concerning my schizoid PD.

I see it like different operating systems. You have windows 94, windows 10, linux, MS Dos, etc etc. Most ppl are like windows 94 - predictable, well-understood, easy to understand and use but a lot of limitations. Other ppl are like windows 10 where if you were used to windows 94 there'll be a sharp learning curve, new aspects to the software, more complex aspects, etc. The issue isnt that windows 10 is harder, its that windows 94 is whats most pervasive and used (hypothetically). I find ppl predictable, shallow, averse to novelty and reflection, lacking independent thought or insight, no evidence of voluntary mental activity or free thinking. Like children growing out of toys, I have grown out of ppl. I can never go back to playing with coloured balls and trains in the same way I can never spend time with neurotypicals. They are the bread and butter on the menu, condiments. This may sound offensive but only to a neurotypical as a sure sign of a neurotypical is how fragile their sense of self is as they barely even have one, they are derivative and once they are aware of this they feel helpless and thus offended.

I gave up on relationships a long time ago. Never met someone who understood me or I understood. And been a spd the desire just isn't there.

Note: Reposting this comments as the previous one was flagged as spam by RU-vid algorithm. 2:20 schizoid personality disorder corresponds to INTJs, who use intuition as the primary way of communication. The problem is dominant intuitives comprise only 4-5% of the overall population, 35% if we add people who use intuition as a secondary function. So, schizoids avoid crowds because crowds do not contain sufficient levels of people on the same frequency of operation/communication, so a natural disconnect from the mainstream society happens. Edit: The following clip summarizes how schizoid feels among crowds. RU-vid considers the link to the video a spam so cannot provide the link here but please search on youtube for the clip titled "Dr. Manhattan - Dünyadan ve bu insanlardan sıkıldım"

I have been diagnosed few month ago. Im just wondering if anyone else feels same about this. I can express myself thru messages on messenger etc. But when im with the same friend in person. Its almost impossible to express anything even when i really want to. Most of the time im afraid their reaction. Or what they might think about me later on. I just cant handle even basic conversations or social interactions in general. I have to think really hard what about im to express or not express or tell someone. Idk. I personally hate it. I cant say that im introverted i just feel trapped inside myself. So yea can anyone relate?

I literally hate all people and go to extremes to avoid all social interaction (with the exception of the odd youtube comment). I have never known another like me, not even in fiction.

A useful follow-up video would be titled something like "Schizoids, how do you find the right people?" :) I mean, seriously. How should we go about finding and recognizing the right people? Where do we look and how do we detect them? And how do we put ourselves out there in a way that would allow these people to notice and recognize us? Or let's go a step further. Let's say I meet someone like you and like them a lot. I like how they look, I like how they speak, I enjoy their presence, etc. How do I approach them and find out if there is any mutual interest or openness to bond on a more intimate level? Then, how do I figure out if they are the "right" kind of people, and that they aren't putting up a facade or will not stab me in the back for selfish reasons? All this uncertainty and unknowability is so overwhelming, it's scary.

Hi , I just want to say thank you , for educating people on schizoid personality disorder and giving us , who suffer from it , hope and insight.Unfortuneately , many people dont even know about this condition , since its so rare , so you are doing a great job in spreading awareness.I've been diagnosed with this condition , a few years ago , and since that time life was mostly hard for me.I am currently taking anti depressants and an anti psychotic , but it only helps a bit.Because of this condition , I've been very isolated.So , I've been wondering whether some of the subscribers who also has SPD , want to have a support buddy?I would love to have contact with someone , who faces the same challenges as me and who I can relate to.Looking forward , hearing from you guys.

On the point of the schizoid not expressing enough of themeselves to offer engagement with others, this is such an all-encompassing experience for the schizoid that it never even occurs to them. It can be related probably to Laing's idea about an "emissary self," meaning a complete self replacement sent into the world which is cursory at best in all interactions. This is so ingrained and so on auto pilot that it's hard to really identify. Yet with reconnecton to oneself, a type of rawness and self availability can begin to occur that is the path away from the schizoid experience, it seems to me. Thank goodness for the alphabet, such a good metaphorical moniker for you, as you reach into the experience via language, with the goal of transferring our activities, physical and mental, from this emissary to true self ... no doubt via the circumambulation, the spiraling inward towards the truer self. It's a project of a lifetime, and it's okay. It's part of the human condition ... none of it an abomination or even a defect. The journey of life takes on this aspect, and that's a good thing, a healing thing, a human thing -- as aliveness and spontaneity return.

Incredibly valuable video!

Now that you are describing SPD interactions it doesn't sound like me. I can talk all day, everyday with people but have difficulties in expressing emotion. I am an INTJ(had the MBTI) done officially). I always felt like Spock or Dexter. I've always attributed it to having little human contact for the first 3 months of my life as I was a preemie that was adopted. Much the way Ceausescu kids started life as that was standard practice back in the day. That said, I do like to interact with people on here, but due to the censorship and braindead intellectually dishonest people that populate social media, I do less and less and can't be bothered.

Wow what an article by Hess! Thx for attaching. Traction, traction traction ... from wherever we can get it, including things as diverse as academic articles and dog rescue videos.

this is basically what's described by Damien Milton in his 'Double Empathy Problem' work

I believe we need more options. If someone desnt like crocodiles, noone forces them to go to therapy to make them like crocodiles, the person can simply choose a different animal as a pet. Similar approach could be implemented with autistics, people who dont like other people...for eg humanoid robots, more AI, ....

Schizoids are actually intensely curious about others and long for deep relationships. They make great therapists... I forget which psychoanalyst said it but he said something like... Psychotherapy was created by schizoids for schizoids. Unfortunately, schizoids are scared of being "devoured" by the other and so social situations are difficult.

Often when I walk my dog and sees a person with his/her dog coming my way, I make a quick 180-degree turn and walk the other way. I don't even care if the person sees me doing it, LOL. I tell my family it feels like you're on the run, with everyone outside trying to get you. They think I'm just too shy to converse, despite wanting to. I tell them, it's the potential risk of wasting my time - being in a conversation with another person - that is scaring me. If family members ask me whether or not I enjoy conversing with them, I'll tell them: Yes, but you have to understand that I will always prefer the lonely moments of peace; feelings such as happiness and sorrow - both of which I can relate to from time to time - are overrated, at least compared to the peaceful moments; therefore, if you ask me tomorrow to do this again, I'll probably say no - despite really enjoying this moment with you.

Hey more zoid videos! Is the book you mentioned by Marie-Louise Von Franz called 'Alchemy' ? The green book with the dragon on it ? I just thought I'd check because I know she has lots of books, and probably several on Alchemy, Alchemical Active Imagination etc I Love her work, I would be interested to learn anything she or Jung have said about the schizoid type.

I wish I was bipolar, at least than I could have a manic phase.

I'm really curious, because you know your stuff in this area, and your just interesting to listen to, have you read any R.D Laing material?, if so what do you think about his views?

0D: point (One with Everything; . with 0) 1D, 2D and 3D are (spatial) 1D: (L) 2D: (L/W) 3D: (L/W/H) 4D, 5D and 6D are 'temporal' 4D: 'length' of (3D) 》one-way flow of time 》 5D: 'length/breadth' of (3D) 《space-time》 6D: 'length/breadth/depth' of (3D) 《》atemporal?《》 I'm not sure about atemporal for 6D, but 0D-5D i don't understand the confusion...we're 4D, so quaternion affected mathematically.

This was pretty random..but insightful. Like some of this stuff sounds similar to my situation..can't be though, can't be

Treat the deep rejection wound there, the inner root of the disorder, and find other schizoids to relate to, don't blame others to have emotions, like Touch, Empathy, Reciprocity, etc. Respect to all kinds of people, but yes, not ALL get along well. Fact. Good luck 🍃👍🏻

I see why this was recommended to me. Oh well

Humankind has had this problem in the past it was with Cro-Magnon people versus Neanderthals unfortunately I think what happened was neanderthals learned how to drive cars and get better paying jobs I think we need to figure out a way to rethink history for the future Generations

Feels like I live on a longer wavelength filter on my experience of momentary phenomena. People expect a shorter wavelength staccato reaction to stimulus but it feels like I experience emotions as vague generalities. It seems like some might complain that I leave a baffling image on their "Polaroid snapshots" of me but maybe that's because I'm experiencing light in the radio wave end of the spectrum. Internet communication is fine from my perspective but it sometimes feels like people subconsciously communicate and judge from a perspective of "suitable or unsuitable potential partner." I try to make it clear that I'm here or there online as a student of life not a "romantic interest" or whatever it is they think I might be operating from. If they feel I'm unsuitable to their fantasy (which I often try to make clear that I am, I mean, don't they have husbands/wives/partners of their own offline?) then begins the devaluation and discarding. This is my experience anyway, from a slowave of schizoid experience. I don't think neurotypicals who I have interacted with in the past experienced it like that because of the frequency difference.

Thank you❤️

Spot on : "non-relatedness"....

Good video.

Either have Avpd or Schizoid. eenie meenie miney mo….

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Watching you right now has me concerned.

Also there's a nice info-cartoon about schizoids on mangahub io. Google "mangahub io schizoid-chan"