So many products now are just Sodium Percarbonate in different strengths and fill their bottle with packers (stuff that does nothing), yet SP is so simple to use just as it is. Wow it has got expensive there... still able to source it here for $30NZD for 5Kg. So much cheaper than PBW etc. Great info vid Kevin. HHBW
A lot of places are really jacking up the price, which is ridiculous. At some of the prices I've seen, you might as well buy PBW. Oh well. Cheers Grant
From what I gathered on PBW from the MSDS and patent information is that it contains a proprietary combination of sodium metasilicate, trisodium phosphate, sodium percarbonate, and sodium carbonate
Thx your information Kevin. The 25kg pack of Sodium Percarbonate cost 38 dollars in taiwan. The 23kg pack of pbw cost 469 dollars in homebrew supply shops in taiwan. i will go for Sodium Percarbonate soultion.
What great information I have just purchased some of the Internet and recirculated it at 80c in the herms coil and was AMAZED at all the colour and beer residue that came out. Great video and cheers Jim
Glad this helped Shapiro. And it's so much better than using Oxyclean. My nephew was using Oxy and kept getting while residue in his kegs. So you're right about not getting the extra stuff! Cheers!
If you want to know what is in a chemical product look up the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) it will give all the component chemicals in a product and usually its percentage in the mixture. Great video
Cheers Kevin - great video. I've been using sodium percarbonate for a while now and love it. Normally buy 1-2kg at a time for around $7-8AUD per kg. Could buy more at a time for less but then I'd have to store it somewhere. Also really useful for cleaning other household items for the Mrs like glass vases where grime has formed and their shape makes it difficult to get to, whack some Sodium Percarbonate in it with some hot water and it's clean in 20 mins! Happy wife and brewing activities get an extra point! ;-)
Nice work up Kevin. Just for added thought, I've been using OxiClean Max Efficiency for several years. It touts 20% more oxygen power over regular OxiClean powder per scoop, which means less other additives. It does not seem to have any perfumes and last time I purchased it, at my local Sam's Club or Costco (they both carry it), it was about $15 for a 10.1 pound box, but that may have been with an in-store coupon. Cheers and keep it clean boys and girls!
Thank you for presenting all those explanations. I gather that I can use Sodium Percarbonate in place of Sodium Carbonate with Hydrogen Peroxide, for cleaning, in my case, laundering sheets and towels.
Awesome video. I thought I'd share some old (possibly antiquated) information regarding this subject. This is the HBT recipe for homemade PBW that I have been using for a long time and with good results: 96oz. Oxy Clean Free, 4lbs. Red Devil TSP/90, 45oz. 7th Generation Dishwasher Detergent. Just mix it all together and it works well. I can't really tell the difference in cleaning power between this and PBW, but this does smell a lot like cat piss...but then so do Citra Hops and they're "All the rage!". Hope this helps. Cheers!
I googled the MSDS sheet for PBW, and the ingredients in it are, sodium carbonate , sodium carbonate peroxyhydrate ( which is the same as Sodium percarbonate, just another name for it) and disodium metasilicate.
That's Interesting. I know that disodium metasilicate makes the water more alkaline and is a binding agent. Sodium carbonate is not the same as sodium percarbonate. Sodium carbonate is a salt made from sodium and carbonic acid. Sodium percarbonate is an adduct formed from sodium carbonate and hydrogen peroxide. I believe that sodium carbonate peroxyhydrate is the same as Sodium Percarbonate. Good info. Thanks!
PBW is only 15-30% sodium percarbonate. OxiClean is only about 30% (range 23-38%) sodium percarbonate, so multiply OxiClean's price 3 to 3.5 times when comparing it to price of pure sodium percarbonate (the rest of OxiClean's ingredients can be largely considered filler). .
I've been using sodium precarbonate for a few months and I can't tell the difference between that and the pbw that I've used for years. It may take a little longer to work but that may be it. The cost is what turned my attention to it. Great video Kevin! Cheers!
Thanks again for the information. Do you have fairly hard water? If so, that may be why sodium percarbonate takes a bit longer. I read about some people with particularly hard water either had to use more sodium percarbonate and other switched back to other cleaners because of it. Cheers Wally!
I just spent a great deal of time researching to find sulfate free ways of sanitizing . Thank you so much for this vid. What would be really awesome is a vid saying brewing, sulfate free sanitizer. My sodium metabisulphite is trying to kill me. Breathing issues ect. I am 49 and thought maybe I was allergic to alcohol or something... nope... not at all... just the sterilizing solutions they all use. I had to start brewing my own before I figured that one out. I just added some oxy free on my amazon list. It is easier for me to get in Canada... at first glace. I might find a better deal later. It is all good... I will get it for free AND be able to breathe!
Allergies get tricky. My wife gets migraines from sulfates used in wine, etc. I can see how that would be tough. Glad you have a workable solution. Cheers!
Thanks so much for this informative video. Just a few other things to consider when dexiding what to buy: plastic packaging and animal testing, which I think the makers of Oxiclean do. 😢
First, I understand the chemistry of the primary ingredients. Very safe environmentally. Second, the product has been around for a long time, promoted by both the manufacturers and breweries as safe. If any of the additives eere not, it would someone would have blown the whistle by now.
I use to use Oxiclean but switched to straight sodium Percarbonate because oxiclean has fillers. use much less of the Sodium Percarbonate than I would of Oxiclean. I feel like the money is worth it. IF you use oxiclean the percentage of H202 is much smaller.
Great information! I prefer OxiClean over PBW for reasons of cost and for some reason PBW feels like it needs more rinsing to me. OxiClean doesn't feel like it leaves that weird film on things. Cheers!
The issues with OxyClean and film only occur if the OxyClean is left in carboys, etc., overnight. It was never an issue for me personally. I used OxyClean Free for years. Cheers!
Oh ok that makes sense. I rarely did that. There were probably only a handful of really nasty carboys I needed to soak for a couple hours and had to rise thoroughly. I love OxiClean. So, you're switching away from OxiClean completely?
Great stuff Kevin! I've never been a fan of OxyClean because it leaves that film, so always used PBW. Might have to check out Sodium Percabonate when my PBW runs out now and see how well that works. Cheers!
Well... if you read peoples comments in this string, you'll see that a lot of people swear by it. I hadn't seen a video on the topic, so thought I'd put an intelligent one out there. =)
Yeah it's the detergent residue in oxiclean. I learned to use much less oxiclean that I thought I would need and rinsed well! I'm a huge fan of all these chemicals and bleaches in the video so I'd say keep up the good work!
Thank you for the video, I am almost out of PBW & was researching if Oxyclean would be suitable as a replacement. After watching your video I decided to try out the Sodium Percarbonate and took your recommendation and ordered 8lbs from Pro Supply Outlet. What water to product ratio would you recommend for cleaning. Thank you again for sharing your knowledge! Cheers
I use 1 tablespoon per gallon of water at 185 F. It's important to use hot water. It is also important to use a sanitizer after cleaning, otherwise any of these cleaners can leave some residue. Cheers!
ClementsHomebrew Found your video helpful while researching Sodium Percarbonate after seeing it used by Korean RU-vidrs and seeing how well it cleans and whitens. Regarding sanitizing, can alcohol 91% be used as a sanitizer? What do you recommend? Thank you 😀
@@vivimedina5925 I suppose you could use alcohol as a sanitizer. I've used alcohol to sanitize caps. But the cost would be high compared to regular sanitizer.
I have challenge getting sodium percarbonateb ,1 kg is 35$ here in Canada. But I can get cheap sodium carbonate.Could I just add sodium carbonate and some hydrogen peroxide together?
Great questions. I did my research, but I"m not a chemist. You'll need to consult with someone that knows more. The price has gone up for many reasons. Particularly since Covid.
Bosa Grape in Burnaby BC sell it as 1step no rinse cleaner. They have an extensive online store. Monday to Thursday the will ship or meat you at the door with your things. Friday come inside and bring money as this is a wine, beer and spirits candy store. Parking is a challenge, be patient.
I'd heard from Wally and other, so I decided to read up on it because I was almost out of PBW. Then I realized it would be a great idea for a video. Good information for BrewTubers. Cheers Josh
Crazy! Sad how expensive it all is, but Sodium Percarbonate is still cheaper. As of this reply... 4 lbs PBW sells for between $27 - $29, so about $7 / pound I can buy 16 lbs of Sodium Percabonate for $46.95 or roughly $2.94 / pound. So I still find Sodium Percarbonate to be a better value, but you're right. The prices are absolutely nuts! CHEERS!
Well, it has been a 18 months. I prefer it coated. I found uncoated for $15.99 / lbs and $25.99 / 10 lbs. on Amazon. I don't brew enough to warrant it, but I did find a 55 lbs bag for $95 at ingredi.com Cheers!
Well, I'm no expert on mold. If you're talking mold in a refrigerator, put straight distilled vinegar in a spray bottle and hit the gaskets really well. Clean the frig and hit it again with the spray bottle of distilled vinegar. I actually had a small refrigerator die recently. A few of the bottles had mold develop. I used the vinegar to clean them, before moving to another refrigerator. Cheers!
Hi Vernon. I use 1 Tablesppon per gallon myself. Seems to be the most recommended amount. It is also suggested you use 185 F water temp to start. Honestly, I just tone down the hot water from the tap a little. Cheers!
Sorry if this is stupid question; what is the difference between sodium percarbonate and sodium bicarbonate? I'm UK viewer so what I know as bi may be what you call per. Can anyone answer this question please?
I bought some from pro supply they sent me kosher sodium percarbonate and tell me that it is coded I’m not sure what to believe anymore now hello out there
I'm not sure that's accurrate. I've heard several rumors. They add ingredients to enhance the cleaning power. A few recipes have been post on the Internet actually, though no one knows how accurate they are.
@@ClementsHomebrew TSP (Tri Sodium Phosphate) can act as a fertilizer, i think you guys use it to clean you glassware in order to brew. i woudnt use TSP and any residue could help mold grow.
Francois Dupont We use sodium percarbonate, not Tri Sodium Phosphate. Once cleaned, all the equipment is sanitized. It's used by professionals around the world. So no concerns. Cheers!
Ha ha! I wouldn't count on it, but your stomach acid can. Drink lot of warm liquids. Clear your passages that way, pushing the virus to your stomach, instead of your lungs. ;) CHeers!
@@oldman_eleven Ha ha! I"m sometimes slow, but I always reply. ;) I've seen a number of mistakes (from my perspective) on cleaning. The first is letting things soak too long. I've seen issues with this. Use hot water with PBW, Sodium Percarbonate, Oxyclean, etc. My recommendation is 185 F. An hour should be sufficient. I also recommend using a temperature protective flove and cleaning with a soft sponge (so not to scratch surfaces). Follow up with a rinse and sanitize immediately. Starsan does a great job removing the film. To test this theory, try cleaning with Sodium Percarbonate (or PBW). Dip your hand in the solution then rub your fingers. You will feel a slick feeling on your fingers. Then spray (or dip) you hands in Sanitizer. You will immediately feel that slick feeling go away. So following immediately with sanitizer is critical to avoid the film issue you've experienced. Hope this helps! Cheers!
Appreciate you thoughts. I made this video because I know a lot of people that wanted to know the difference so they could make up their own minds. Cheer! :)