Sofabaton X1S vs Harmony Elite Review - Which is Better?

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Sofabaton X1S vs Harmony Elite Review - Which is Better?
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@Youthman 3 месяца назад

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@ElCidPhysics90 4 месяца назад

It’s such a shame Logitech stopped supporting their Harmony remotes.

@webberfan1234 4 месяца назад

One of the top 10 tech fails of this century.

@mattgiunt 4 месяца назад

@@webberfan1234 Stupid move buy a company that really only shined with its remotes.

@Slimzyjoe 4 месяца назад

@@mattgiunt just tell us you don't know anything about Logitech. It's okay.

@christofferjonsson 4 месяца назад

@@mattgiunt I would say they are most known for their mouses and keyboards.

@jackrosati1438 3 месяца назад

Why is it so hard for a company to make a simple universal remote??

@Youthman 3 месяца назад

Likely because it’s not as simple as you think. Just imagine how many thousands of devices they have to make sure it’s compatible with.

@draconus003 Месяц назад

The biggest issue I had with the sofa baton X1S was how laggy it was when trying to set it up to the various components that I was using especially been trying to get it to work with my cable providers remote control as it refused to sync up properly with that. It seemed really nice and practice but it still needs a lot of r&d to really make a statement in this industry

@wolfen231 3 месяца назад

Thanks for the review and the previous set up video. I think they are just about there. I will probably wait for another generation or two before I buy a Sofabaton and keep using my Harmony Eiite.

@Youthman 3 месяца назад

I like their progress but it’s not a perfected product yet.

@wolfen231 3 месяца назад

@@Youthman Seems close. I was sooooooooo tempted until I watched this review. Your previous video for the setup had me add it to my cart. Problem for me is my harmony elite battery is lasting only 2 or 3 days now. I've ordered a replacement battery kit from Alliexpress but it won't be here till end of August it seems haha.

@jorgebetancourt1561 3 месяца назад

The back button killed me from buying one just yet.

@willisdesai7 4 месяца назад

lots of insight. Thanks for the opinion.

@donforman4326 4 месяца назад

After dealing with harmony for so many years and not 100% right, tried SofaBaton X1 and X1S I gave up and went with Crestron Home. That’s almost set up with my installer. Someone needs to come up with a reasonably priced remote that works. That track ball on SofaBaton is stupid.

@kenwilcox5418 3 месяца назад

Does the remote show volume level?

@Youthman 3 месяца назад

Volume level will show on your display of your AVR or Processor.

@kenwilcox5418 3 месяца назад

@@YouthmanThanks. My problem is I’m using Apple TV and it just shows a bar without any numbers. Not able to see my display on my McIntosh MX122 that does have numbers like you said. Just looking for OSD.

@coastalbreaks86 11 дней назад

Sounds like Sofabaton sucks, no thanks.

@Youthman 11 дней назад

Still has some work to go.

@tonybrocato2487 4 месяца назад

Sofabaton should just hire you to directly help them create the ultimate theater remote. I would pre-buy one right now.

@Youthman 3 месяца назад

Thank you kindly. They just sent me an email this morning thanking me for my feedback and shared their plans to include much of those in the next version.

@cigarobsession 4 месяца назад

Harmony is still firmly king :)

@Youthman 4 месяца назад

I’m still really interested in the Unfolded Circle Remote 2

@ballstadt 4 месяца назад

@@Youthman Michael, come do a theater tour and try out the Remote 2. I have it configured pretty well now and am absolutely LOVING it, though it is heavily reliant on Home Assistant in my setup. Much happier than I was with the Harmony at this point.

@johnb6677 3 дня назад

@@Youthman What about Remote 3!?

@Youthman 3 дня назад

@johnb6677 I’ve reached out to them since the Remote 2. I was “on the list” but haven’t received one yet to test.

@paulmardis1512 4 месяца назад

The Harmony Elite is still king. The best remote you can buy for your setup in my opinion is one you can setup via IP and control. But hose are normally dealer program like Control4, URC and Crestron. Once you get them setup they always work as programmed. I believe in a dedicated theater room where you have spent a lot on things like KScape why cheap out on the remote.

@RathOX 4 месяца назад

i also know the Logitech can also do lights etc its just a better remote and used can be had for less that a X1S

@cwhitchblu 4 месяца назад

Just more proof that Logitech didn’t have to kill the Harmony product line.

@nothingtoseehere93 4 месяца назад

Anything that uses an app or their own system to talk to devices, it’s crap.

@DashGranthamD.A 4 месяца назад

I purchased an X1S after watching your initial X1S video. Unfortunately, I think I will return it. I did get my Anthem MRX1140 and nVidia Pro and Pany 820 disc player set up as devices but I have had no luck on activities. Input switching and on/off switching are too inconsistent. As well, I don't see how this, or I guess any universal remote, is of any help with a PS5. And having dual primary buttons (the track ball click and the center of the thumb wheel click) is needlessly confusing. I do like many of the X1S's features but for me using 4 separate controllers is actually simpler and more reliable.

@Youthman 4 месяца назад

Yes a touch screen would make navigating much simpler. Harmony Elite couldn’t power the PS5 either

@DashGranthamD.A 3 месяца назад

Actually...I watched your 1st X1S video a few more times and that along with trial & error (I think I may have shortened my equipment's lifespan because I turned it on and off so many times) and I did get it to work. Fingers crossed it will continue to work. So I am keeping it.

@johnb6677 3 дня назад

Agreed. I can't even get the X1S to recognize my Xbox One. That's pretty bad for a 3rd generation remote.

@DashGranthamD.A 2 дня назад

UPDATE: After three months of ownership I can say conclusively the X1S simply isn't up to the job. My X1S gets fairly mild use yet the roller ball has already gotten sloppy, erratic, and is really not a well-suited navigation tool. It's not. As well, the X1S frequently gets the sources mixed up and then we're forced to use the little Back button on the top right to drill down from Activities to Devices and then into Anthem etc. And back all the way out back to Activities once the proper source is set again. The clunkiness of the design and the limitations involved are just too much of a compromise. Simply using the original device remotes may seem less elegant but overall the X1S is a pretty gimmicky alternative.

@Zandian 3 месяца назад

Hey there could you please let me know if I could simply reuse the IR blasters from my Harmony with the Sofabaton hub? It would be cool to simply plug in the Sofabaton hub without having to re-run IR blasters.

@SoCalVipers 4 месяца назад

Thanks for this follow-up video! I love how clearly you describe things. Without your previous video, I'd likely not been able to program it well enough to use. I've had the X1S for a little over a month, here's my thoughts... I love it! I never really gave Harmony a fair chance. The cheap feel and small buttons sort of put me off of their lower end models, and 10 or 15 years ago I really needed more customization that URC remotes gave me. I'm sure a more recent Harmony would have been much better. I do own a Harmony HUB, but not the companion remote - soI never gave that a fair shot either. What I love about the X1S : 1. it's simple, and seems to be designed for devices that pretty much only use a 5-way button. 2. it's easy for my wife to use. 3. feels really nice and high quality. 4. the way it wakes up and illuminates when you pick it up is great. 5. its ability to control an apple TV via Bluetooth is awesome. It works really well. I was using IR before, and it always felt kind of clunky and I don't have as many controls. 6. Battery life is acceptable. What I don't love: 1. there is no warning before the battery dies. 2. the app feels buggy. I can start an activity on the app, but I can't control devices. 3. only 2 IR ports, and no option to expand. (after some googling and soldering, I rigged a solution) 4. using an app instead of a PC is convenient, but cumbersome if you are making complex macros. 5. RF reception could be better. I had the base station on a metal rack shelf, with another rack shelf 1U above it. Being sandwiched between the metal shelves made it unreliable. It took quite a while to troubleshoot that! 6. This a REAL problem. It's the worst remote at learning IR I've ever used, and I've had dozens of learning remotes. If your device isn't in their database - just return the Sofabaton and find another solution. 7. simple but effective Alexa integration. How I use it: I have two 7.1 systems in the same room - one is a TV and Denon AVR for daytime, and the other is a Sony projector and Marantz Preamp for night time/movies. The TV and projector each have their own Apple TV. The projector also has a Shield TV. To get reliable IR everywhere, I needed to jerry rig an IR distribution block to attach it to the IR flasher outputs on the Sofabaton Hub. The Marantz, and Sony Projector have "ir" hardwired in via 1/8" connectors. The TV and Denon have IR flashers taped to their ir sensors. The shield and Apple TV work via Bluetooth. Because all of my devices have discrete on/off, and input selections, the activities have ran flawlessly. My lighting is controlled via IR, but I can't make the Sofabaton learn the codes. That is disappointing, but not a deal breaker. I can easily have Alexa turn the lights on and off, or use a separate Insteon remote for lighting. To answer your concern with the chunkiness of controlling devices - Is that a only a problem for people like you who are constantly tweaking things? I almost never need to touch my projector, TV, or AVR settings. I just control the Apple and Shield.

@Carl-iw9sy Месяц назад

Did you have any issues adding it to Alexa? I have downloaded the skill but the Alexa app won't recognize it on the wifi. I am not sure how if it's because my wifi (eero wifi6) does not gives me the option to choose between 2.4ghz or 5ghz.

@SoCalVipers Месяц назад

@@Carl-iw9sy For me, I didn't think the Alexa skill was working. I have an activity called "Apple" (it's my apple TV activity). I can say "Alexa, turn off the apple", and it will be as if I pressed the off button on the remote. My WIFI is Ubiquiti APs and an old Apple router. I've never done anything to distinguish 2.4 vs 5ghz. I trust the devices to choose the appropriate frequency. Everything in my house just seems to work.

@Jjkplayz1 25 дней назад

Excuse me , i have a mx350 and i think its dying . The Remote says low battery but new batteries dont clear that message ..... Anyway it might be time . Looking at your review here is my concern, When we created our living room we hid all the equipment in a closet in another room . My question is will the remote be able to communicate with the Direct TV receiver and the sound receiver in the closet ? is the hub decent ? EDIT, that closet is like 5 - 10 feet from my couch

@freethinker1492 Месяц назад

Try using it with Philip's Hue. It only turn them on and off. No dimming, no colour change, No scenes, and can't and to activity's

@teewhyTHA Месяц назад

My Harmony Elite stopped working tonight and I'm sick.. This isn't making me feel better.

@brianroberts6554 3 месяца назад

Does anyone out there know if the Harmony database is still up?? More specifically, is anyone able to create a new activity??

@infinite999ammo 3 месяца назад

Database is still available however no new devices are being added. I had to manually program each button for a new device not in the database last month

@Youthman 3 месяца назад

@infinite999ammo and so it begins.

@Downhuman74 2 месяца назад

Harmony Elite is still the king by a pretty wide margin. Harmony closed up shop in 2021 and Sofabaton still hasn't risen to occasion to provide a comparable replacement. Guess I need to stock-up on spare Elites before my own finally bites the dust.

@htenthusiast2897 4 месяца назад

Great that Sofabaton is evolving, as I may need at least one at some point. Perhaps 1 or 2 generations away from achieving or surpassing Harmony’s great capabilities. I enjoyed VIP status with Harmony being able to simply send an email to my contact and get commands and features programmed within minutes or hours on my Harmony.

@airman6822 4 месяца назад

Thanks for the honest review. I really want one of these remotes but I guess I'll have to wait a bit longer for someone else to come up with a good one.

@polarisflyer 2 месяца назад

Well, I hate to say it, but you reaffirmed my decision to KEEP my Harmony Elite a while longer. I don't understand why Logitech discontinued the product line.

@Youthman 2 месяца назад

Logitech’s bread and butter are computer peripherals (mice, keyboards etc)

@richaquila2655 4 месяца назад

It’s so SAD that company’s have to go backwards to give a superior product compared to companies that had it figured out for a decade! Rip harmony

@Youthman 4 месяца назад

That’s the issue. Sofabaton hasn’t had two decades to develop their product

@MrMr123 2 месяца назад

If I can’t trigger Lutron scenes, instant pass 👋🏼

@richardpenman5910 2 месяца назад

I have had a Harmony Touch for many years. Has always worked without fail I purchased the sofa baton during Amazon Prime for $120 it has yet to set up. I've had it for about a week returning it to Amazon I will I will purchase another Harmony just to have a spare it appears to me sofa baton is still in the beta stage of things I do not care to spend $120 to be to be the tester for a beta product

@Youthman 2 месяца назад

The X1S is descent but they still have some things to work out.

@MARC1TIM 4 месяца назад

Looks like Harmony would be best for my situation, but I just can't invest in unsupported technology.

@Youthman 4 месяца назад

That’s the dilemma we all are facing.

@AdamsSIMporium Месяц назад

Great review :) Hoping the next model has the back button next to the wheel, and it goes straight to activity buttons when an activity is turned on. Oh and there should absolutely be a dock.

@johnb6677 3 дня назад

I can't even get the X1S to recognize my Xbox One. Yet, my 15 year old Harmony connects easily. Back to the Harmony!

@Youthman 3 дня назад

It’s definitely not perfect.

@johnb6677 3 дня назад

@@Youthman Yep. Did expect it to outperfrom a 15 year old remote though.

@Youthman 3 дня назад

The difference is harmony’s first remote was in 2001. Sofabaton is only a few years in. Harmony’s first remotes were not very good. It takes awhile.

@AeroDude73 4 месяца назад

Logitech has the nerve to call this Elite but it isn’t Backlit. 🙄🤨🤔🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️. My Harmony One is. 😎

@TheoneDragon51 4 месяца назад

They are headed in the right direction. I will still keep my Harmony Elite for my main system. Up stairs we have one of the first Sodabatons it works, not much is asked of it though.

@ansek 4 месяца назад

I'm still looking for something to replace my Harmony Elites (Family Room and Master Bedroom) and a Neeo (pre-sale to Control4). Unfortunately, as pointed out in this video, the SofaBaton is close but it is not ready to be that replacement. I fear the day I have to change the projector in my dedicated theater as I will either have to ditch the Neeo or get creative with how I power on and off my projector (12V trigger???).

@DavidAg02 4 месяца назад

Home Theater Gurus beat you to it! 😂 Seems like a solid choice if you don't already have a Harmony that you're hanging on to and praying that it won't die.

@elongatuspiranha 4 месяца назад

Very sad that Logitech stop making remotes, as they were, and still is king.

@billb6685 4 месяца назад

As a fellow long-time Harmony Elite user, it sounds like you nailed the differences. We treat the Elite with great care to extend it's life. But nice to see this is catching up. I am nervous about making changes to my Harmony programming as it is a bit glitchy these days. Hope they do a touchscreen model, change the back button, and choosing the landing page is huge too.

@viru4409 4 месяца назад

I got one when it went on sale few months ago, still sitting sealed. Hopefully sofabatton continues to provide upgrades on the unit for next few years rather than putting out a new model.

@myretronation 3 месяца назад

Looking forward to your take on the Haptique RS90

@thefluentone 4 месяца назад

what a great review! Thanks for your thoughts.

@garyharper2943 4 месяца назад

Still using Philips Pronto!

@shahross8366 2 месяца назад

It just seems like Sofabaton is trying hard to NOT be Harmony, rather than taking all the things that made Harmony great, & improving on that. This will forever keep me looking for a "new" Harmony, if I ever have to replace my current one.

@Youthman 2 месяца назад

Keep in mind when Harmony first began making remotes, they weren’t great. It takes time to develop the software. The hardware should be the easy part. I just received the new SmartRemote from Allonis. Will be installing it this week. allonis.com/products/smartremote/smartremote-intro

@shahross8366 2 месяца назад

@@Youthman True, but Harmony has already laid the foundation. There's absolutely no reason to reinvent the wheel, which is what Sofabaton seems to be doing.

@Youthman 2 месяца назад

Harmony laid the foundation, but they’re not sharing that foundation with anyone. All of these new companies that are popping up have to develop their own software. It would’ve been great if Harmony would have sold it to one of them, but they did not.

@shahross8366 2 месяца назад

@@Youthman It has to be sold to another company? Is the IR feature of remotes somehow a proprietary feature? Harmony created the idea of having a hub, & Sofabaton clearly imitated that feature. Every car company emulates the others. When one company created the SUV, all the others rolled with it. Now every single company makes SUV's. Remotes have been around for 5 decades. They all do the same thing on a basic level, each company just adds more features to make their SUV stand apart from the others. I can't think of a single SUV on the market that takes basic features (like, say... the steering wheel?) away. I can't be convinced that the Sofabaton people didn't hold a harmony remote in their hand, & couldn't duplicate any of the features that they KNOW people (likely themselves included) loved, & couldn't incorporate in their remotes. All the things you mentioned in your review sounded extremely counterintuitive to what a perfect remote should be. I guess Harmony really broke the mold. 🤷🏿‍♂️

@Youthman 2 месяца назад

I'm referring to Harmony's database. That's an ENORMOUS amount of information that could be used by other companies. The other companies are starting where Harmony was 10 - 15 years ago in developing their software, app etc. The SUV illustration is different in that there wasn't only one manufacturer for 15 years, they close up shop and then new companies decide to begin to make SUV's for the first time. I'm still holding out hope that at least one company can make a consumer programmable remote that can not only meet what Harmony did, but exceed it.

@theoisaac9948 4 месяца назад

👍 👍

@edgarcabrera7230 4 месяца назад

You know Youthman, I bought that sofa baton, only to get frustrated. They send me a used one, when I ordered a new one. So, I get the new one, only to get frustrated again. I could not for the life of me pair the hub with my modern. So I emailed them, because they isn’t no customer service number. The following day a Chinese guy calls me, only to get even more frustrated. I could not understand the dude. I told him to get an English speaking guy. OMG, he emailed me, that was just as bad. His writing was horrible. I sent it back. WOW! Unbelievable. No customer service.. horrible

@Youthman 2 месяца назад

Hi Edgar. That's unfortunate. Did you have the original X1 or the latest X1S?

@edgarcabrera7230 2 месяца назад

@@Youthman I got the X1S

@Youthman 2 месяца назад

I’m sorry to hear you had such a bad experience.

@MrBjorn6 3 месяца назад

What about the AVA remote?

@Youthman 3 месяца назад

AVA requires a dealer to program.

@SpliffyBendrixHT 4 месяца назад

Very surprised the Unfolded Circle crew haven’t reached out to send you one. I know they’ve been sending out units for a while now. Makes no sense to not send it to you to get more eyes on it. Maybe they’re waiting to have bigger inventory 🤔🤔

@ballstadt 4 месяца назад

I honestly don't think they want a huge influx of orders right now. The demand has far exceeded expectations and they don't have the system in place to keep up with orders. I'm guessing when they find a solution to increase production capacity, they'll be more willing to send a few out for review. I LOVE MINE.

@nothingtoseehere93 4 месяца назад

They can’t even get them to people who ordered 3 years ago

@ballstadt 4 месяца назад

@@nothingtoseehere93 I got on the list the day the Kickstarter closed in ‘21 (was closing on a house and couldn’t let anything hit the credit card or I’d have backed) and received mine Dec ‘23.

@ballstadt 4 месяца назад

@@nothingtoseehere93 it hasn’t been 3 years since the Kickstarter campaign ended.

@Youthman 4 месяца назад

Not sure. They know I’m interested.

@danielaviles7607 3 месяца назад

Any chance you'll be reviewing the Haptique RS90 universal remote?

@Youthman 3 месяца назад

I’ve never heard of them.

@danielaviles7607 3 месяца назад

Neither have I. Interesting design though. I actually like the angled screen.

@Youthman 3 месяца назад

I commented on the CEO’s post on LinkedIn.

@Youthman 3 месяца назад

Well, it appears that I spoke with the founder on Facebook last November and he reached out to me again in February. I have soooo many conversations on RU-vid, Facebook, email etc, I forgot about it. I reached out to them tonight and he emailed me back stating they will soon be sending me an HRS90 for review.

@danielaviles7607 3 месяца назад

@Youthman That's awesome!!!!!!!! Thank you for your diligence in looking into it! You Rock!!!!! Can't wait to catch that review!!!!

@brainguynyc8729 4 месяца назад

Next try Remote Two by Unfolded Circle please. Would love to know what you think.

@Youthman 4 месяца назад

Me too. I’ve reached out to them for the past two years since they announced it. Feel free to reach out to them

@ballstadt 4 месяца назад

I have been using it since December. It's going to be the one to beat once they can find a solution to ramp up production. They can't keep up at this point. But it's great hardware, IR is a weak spot, but connecting to a Home Assistant configuration I am controlling almost my entire theater via IP, which has been super reliable.

@donforman4326 4 месяца назад

looks like you have some interesting followers

@Youthman 4 месяца назад

It’s bots. Spam. I’m blocking them all