Sol de Janeiro Got Bought By An MLM & I Have Thoughts

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Let's chat about the face that former indie brand Sol de Janeiro got bought out (at least to 80-isch %) by L'Occitane that recently went down the MLM route. I have questions, how about you?
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@AngelicaNyqvist 2 года назад

Sorry I had to re-upload, I hope the audio works now!

@jesskronfeld7080 2 года назад

At first I thought RU-vid was just being weird for me 😂

@beautbyj79 2 года назад

❤️ yay, I hope we're all good now

@chloedemure 2 года назад

I was wondering if it was just me lol!

@maggie_sugarxo 2 года назад

All good now ❤️

@n2beingme72 2 года назад

All good now! I am just going back to watching. Did you know that Farmacy Beauty was aquired by Proctor and Gamble?

@kimfeddema6302 2 года назад

This is a really sore topic for me, my sister has aspergers and was convinced to join a beauty MLM (Arbonne) by a co-worker. At first my parents thought it was a good thing because she was getting out and willingly talking to people and things, but we quickly realised she was just buying tonnes of product and it would sit in a big tub in her house and shed never be able to sell it. She got so into it she even flew to a "conference" of theirs in Las Vegas (bear in mind we live in the west of Australia) and it was only after that she slowed down and eventually stopped doing it. Vulnerable people are the most likely to be scammed into these programs because they get pushed so easily into agreeing to things and don't necessarily understand the consequences of their actions. So yeah, for me being owned by an MLM, even if its not in our country, is enough for me to turn away from the brand.

@swedishmake-upgeek5650 2 года назад

I’m happy that your sister is no longer in the MLM!

@kimfeddema6302 2 года назад

@@swedishmake-upgeek5650 thanks! Luckily she wasn't financially impacted too badly but she still wasted so much money and I'm certain there would be other people like her who lost a lot more just because they were vulnerable to these predators!

@SarahPaceSings 2 года назад

💛

@swedishmake-upgeek5650 2 года назад

@@kimfeddema6302 unfortunately I think you’re right. It happened to my mother when she got cancer too. MLMs really prey on the vulnerable…

@shandel499 2 года назад

This is to ALL who have been preyed upon, my heart goes out to you. I sold Avon for a tiny second once upon a time when I was living in a new place. I quickly realized that its way to much work for what you get back. Avon doesnt have the bad rep a few others do.

@NataliaPessoaXOXOMAKE 2 года назад

As a Brazilian I want to thank you for telling people it’s not an actual Brazilian brand. It’s not available there! It makes me really upset that they are profiting on my culture.

@carolinadesouza 2 года назад

Agora a marca está disponível na sephora Brasil

@quietowl1246 2 года назад

Wow. I will definitely not buy for this reason!

@jessicafreitag5111 2 года назад

Is the company owned by someone who is from Brazil?

@ms.delarosa8642 2 года назад

@@jessicafreitag5111 her husband is Brazilian. The owner is an American of Asian decent. I'm not sure if they live in Brazil. It would be very very weird if they lived in Brazil and the products are not available there. Then again it might be because Brazilians would laugh them out the country - like Mexicans going to Taco Bell in Mexico City or something LOL. I could be wrong.

@jessicafreitag5111 2 года назад

@@ms.delarosa8642 It makes sense that someone would create the brand if their husband is Brazilian. I don’t like how people are saying “they’re profiting off my culture” when they don’t even know that owner’s husband is Brazilian. People just jump to conclusions, assuming someone is “culturally appropriating” when they’re creating something based off of the experiences and culture of their husband.

@mooshboosh8983 2 года назад

So glad you let us know about this. MLMs are so awful and prey on people by selling a nonexistent dream. If the MLMers find this video Angie don't be discouraged by dislikes, it's important you are able to teach people and warn them about MLMs xx

@AngelicaNyqvist 2 года назад

Thank you!

@kristenefox7001 2 года назад

RU-vid took away the public view for dislikes so at least they can't bomb her video for everyone to see.

@oritigra 2 года назад

@@kristenefox7001 hmmm, I still see dislikes on videos in android youtube app and this video had 6 so far, so it seems mlmers haven't been here yet)

@kristenefox7001 2 года назад

@@oritigra Wow really? I'm on android app and I have it on my laptop as well, I can't see them at all! I actually googled it because I thought my stuff was messed up 😂 they announced it I think a few days ago, so maybe it will change in the next wave up updates. Either way there are already huns in the comments talking about "how different" their MLM is when they all show the same income disclosure.

@AZ_Julie480 2 года назад

This blows !! I love sol de Janeiro! 😔

@crystalpolice 2 года назад

Any MLM that says they had an increase in profit for the past two years are most definitely preying on the financial misfortune of others due to the pandemic. So many people lost jobs and may have easily been recruited to a MLM who are notorious for empty promises. I've seen it within my own friend group and family. 🙄🥺 Love that you tackled this!

@SaplingTarot 2 года назад

This is what I thought of immediately! It's not a flex to own a company that feeds off the desperation of people in financial crisis.

@Rain_Reign 2 года назад

Absolutely. To put a fine point on it, those “profits” are simply desperate people buying product so that they can get in and stay in the good graces of their upline, product they will never make an actual profit off of themselves. And then convincing other desperate people to do the same. Fuck MLMs.

@swedishmake-upgeek5650 2 года назад

My mother got sucked into Amway when she got cancer as a way to ”bring in more income”, since her sick pay wasn’t great. She stayed in it until she passed. It was so sad to see how they used her bad situation to recruit her. I still get so angry when I think about it, and she died in 2006.

@SarahPaceSings 2 года назад

I'm so sorry 💜 I hope you're having a nice day

@tammy_vip 2 года назад

That makes my blood boil! I’m so sorry that happened to your mum. And I’m really sorry for your loss and pain xx

@wieldwords 2 года назад

I’m so sorry. That’s just disgusting. All the best to you, friend. ❤️

@theIaurenshow 2 года назад

I’m so sorry for your loss. I can’t believe how predatory MLMs are toward women who are vulnerable especially. It’s sick.

@swedishmake-upgeek5650 2 года назад

Thank you guys! 💛

@TheSimbulUK 2 года назад

L'Occitane becoming an MLM...the things one lives to see. I would have never guessed, they used to be such a staple of luxury body care. Wow.

@kagitsune 2 года назад

I think our community saw how far L'Occitane had fallen when they forced Jen Luv to take down the review video they had sponsored her to do. She has an excellent follow up video from when that happened. Not surprised they decided to go full predator mode.

@nancys4584 2 года назад

I had no idea L'Occitaine and The Body Shop were MLMs in the US. So unethical. Thank you so much for this informative video. :)

@lyn00002 2 года назад

Can confirm, I lived in Brazil a few years ago (actually when everyone was starting to get super excited about SJD!) and I never saw it once, anywhere. Not in any drug store. Not in any cosmetics store. Not in any mall. I even went to a Sephora there, and it wasn't sold at Sephora!!! They are just profiting off Rio de Janeiro's culture :/

@rebeccaalves4796 2 года назад

As a Brazilian I was so excited about it as well. In the Netherlands they do not sell it, so last year I went home and could not find it anywhere. So wierd Anitta also ventured with them and we did not see being sold even at Sephora

@JolienR1995 2 года назад

@@rebeccaalves4796 I live in the Netherlands and it is sold here at Douglas!

@carolinadesouza 2 года назад

SDJ is now avaiable on sephora Brazil

@marinaandreabosini4376 2 года назад

They started selling in brazil last month, but i wont buy it, too expensive !!!!

@rebeccaalves4796 2 года назад

@@marinaandreabosini4376 probably 300 reais or something right? i will not dare to check!

@KaosKardinal 2 года назад

Of course MLM's grew during the pandemic. When businesses were closed and people were trying to find ways to have an income, desperate, naive people turned to side-hustle modeled companies. I was inundated with invites to online legging and sex toy parties. These companies predate on broke and poor people's "by the bootstraps" indoctrination. So much of the US is raised to believe that if you fall on hard times, its shameful to ask for or receive help. When you add in the abysmal wage/cost of living ratio in the US, it's no wonder people get roped into these scams.

@HeatherAustinmakeup 2 года назад

So sad to hear this. I’m with you, I just can’t support MLMs. And SO TRUE! You can make money in a MLM as long as you’re okay with scamming your down line 😂😆

@excelsis111 2 года назад

Sol de Janeiro being Brazilian-themed but not being sold in Brazil is EXACTLY like Tatcha being a brand based on Japanese aesthetics, but they haven’t been available for sale in Japan until a few months ago!! I’m so glad you brought up L’Occitane (I’m really sad, though lol), because love their almond shower oil, but… after being forced into MLMs by my mother my whole life, I run the other way when I smell that 💩!!! Guess I might have to run the other way and find something else. 😭

@petra1995 2 года назад

I'm a vegan and I (obviously) buy cruelty free, but I don't care much about the parent company. I also buy vegan food from companies that sell meat. I want to show companies what sells, put my money where I want companies to put more focus.

@catherinemorrison1909 2 года назад

Preach - my local (in France) supermarket has been selling vegan options and I always buy them for that same reason.

@jessicalevy2415 2 года назад

That’s my philosophy on CF brands, too. In the last year I’ve expanded my definition of CF to include more than just testing on animals - brands that refuse to have an inclusive shade range, MLMs, general shady behaviors, etc. are just as bad so they fall under my expanded definition of cruel.

@recordtapesbackward 2 года назад

just keep in mind that there's a big difference between the two things you just described (food and cosmetics). a non-cf parent company of a cf brand that makes them a lot of money won't lead to that parent company eventually deciding to become cruelty-free, but to that parent company buying more cf brands. just look at l'oréal and estée lauder and see which brands they have been purchasing. I know this is not black and white, but I want to raise more awareness for that 🖤

@petra1995 2 года назад

@@recordtapesbackward Well, there's only so much I can do as a consumer. At least things are slowly moving in China. Maybe soon enough we won't have to worry about cf at all. It's so bizarre that I have to dictate my purchases based on market laws in China.

@JayceeElle 2 года назад

Any time I've found out a company runs as an MLM anywhere, even if it isn't in my country, I can't in all consciousness give them any of my money. I will never feel okay supporting a company that knowingly ruins lives to get ahead. Numbers don't lie. Most of their "consultants" lose money and it doesn't matter if a few are getting rich - they're benefiting from the downfall of others. Ethics shouldn't be a question here - all MLMs should be illegal in my personal opinion.

@glamfern 2 года назад

Hey Angie, brazilian viewer here! So Sol de Janeiro only launched in Brazil through Sephora only a couple months ago. I've heard that it's a re-launch like the brand used to be available here before but I'm not sure about that. Even so, the prices are extremely unaffordable to the average consumer. Minimum wage here is R$ 1000/month and the bum bum cream costs R$ 300. Which to me is ironic considering that they source their ingredients from Brazil and that our culture is basically their entire brand concept. Something to think about. Edit: btw, now that you mentioned League, have you watched Arcane yet? It is absolutely breathtaking, the best thing Riot has ever done and I've been playing League for 7 years now.

@quietowl1246 2 года назад

I think it’s ridiculously overpriced and I frankly I won’t pay that much for a fragrance. It’s not that special for the price. Plus I’m sure you can buy quality Brazil nut butter for a much better price.

@swatchsea 2 года назад

I was planning on buying a few of their products on Black Friday, so this video couldn’t have come at a better time!

@jesskronfeld7080 2 года назад

It is so disappointing to me that SDJ was bought by a company that owns an MLM, in my opinion the MLM business structure is so problematic 😔

@SarahPaceSings 2 года назад

So I'm a cruelty free makeup buyer, I will not buy from any makeup brand, including their parent company, if they are not 100% cruelty free. I have never bought from an mlm either and do not plan on it. It's our choice (and personally I like it as a responsibility) so raise our standards and try to support the brands that also want to make the world a little bit better. I am really glad to find out what brands to stay away from, because the market is so saturated, it helps take away literally half the brands for me. That makes life easier for me lol and I'm supporting a group that I feel confident in :) Thank you so much for the video, Angelica!!

@quietowl1246 2 года назад

Absolutely agree. I also strongly feel that make up brands must address their packaging and make things recyclable. Because climate change is becoming such a massive problem - I have definitely become conscious of how much non recyclable plastic I am adding too with waste that ends up in landfill. 😭

@jeffthompson549 2 года назад

i can guranate your cell phone and clothes are not made cruelty free. quit virtue signalling

@hillaryhunt9485 2 года назад

I live in what is broadly considered the MLM capital (Utah) so I am very familiar with MLMs: the type of people who start them, the young mothers who become distributors and inevitably quit when they make no money, the false promises, and the “believing” culture that cultivates MLM schemes that frankly become cult-like. I’ve been to the parties, I’ve even hosted the parties, and looking back I am disgusted with how the distributor used me and pressured me when I was a very young mother myself. I will never support them again.

@stephaniethat40somethinggi45 2 года назад

I completely agree with you. I don't feel comfortable supporting an MLM in any way. Also, maybe it's just me, but knowing now that Sol de Janeiro is U.S. based and not even sold in Brazil is a off-putting.

@babymeow13 2 года назад

I work in sephora, and first off I'm fully obsessed with the whole brand, but when it comes to replenishment or restocking the shelves, that brand is always empty (meaning It sells so fast, everyday I need to restock the shelves) and through the pandemic it's one of the only brands that I actually have back stock of (meaning I have more stock on the shelves in the back) but the product moves so fast! So my question is why did they need to do this?

@autumnautopsy 2 года назад

I assume they didn't *need* to do this but the owner was offered ridiculous amounts of money so they couldn' say no 🤷🏻‍♀️ greed is poisonous

@maggie_sugarxo 2 года назад

Maybe they can't or don't want to manage the day to day management; since their products are now popular and are a trend, it is very likely that they would get better settlement; maybe also the owners don't want to take risk with their own money to expand... There are quite alot of reasons why a brand my choose to sell a portion or your whole business.

@babymeow13 2 года назад

@@maggie_sugarxo very true, there was some statistics that showed a bum bum cream was sold every 20 second's!! Crazy huh. Honestly I do love everything they make.

@HanasRoom 2 года назад

That's what I'm saying! For a super successful brand, they could have teamed up with like Lancome or like idk an actual company that has a history of buying up brands THAT ARE NOT MLMS. I know Lancome is not the greatest (RIP Becca) but Lancome is sold globally, and is at least a lot more reputable. All this tells me is SJS is greedy, because if a product is selling every 20 seconds you would have some options to whom you're bought up from.

@donnaroberts281 2 года назад

SDJ may have wanted access to L’Occitane’s global distribution network, their suppliers and/or their factories. Or maybe the company got too big for the owners to handle it themselves? It seems that they may be having I see this a lot in the beer industry. Recently one of my favorite indie breweries sold out to a conglomerate because the owner wanted to retire. There are all kinds of reasons why a company would sell out to a bigger company.

@autumnautopsy 2 года назад

I wasn't even aware of this, thank you so much for speaking up about it. I never purchased from SDJ but now I'll make sure I never will. I will never support an MLM, ever. It's like the one thing that will make me completely boycott a brand.

@sinswept 2 года назад

The Body Shop is not just am MLM, they straight up stole the entire business, name, products and everything, from the original founder. I recommend the video by The Illuminaughtii here on RU-vid. She does MLM Mondays and it is really interesting.

@AngelicaNyqvist 2 года назад

oh that does sound like something I need to put in my watch later list :)

@becauselesliesays 2 года назад

I learned all about MLM’s from The Illuminaughtii , she has a great channel. She did an episode on LimeLife as well.

@booksnlipstick 2 года назад

While I often agree with Illuminaightii, there are major flaws in their research, which bothers me. So watch with a critical eye to some of that.

@ssjjggjj5561 2 года назад

Lol. Yes Anita Roddick did steal the name and concept from The Body Shop in San Francisco, but that has zero to do with it having an MLM division (that didn’t start until 20 years later).

@sinswept 2 года назад

@@ssjjggjj5561 Not with it being an MLM, but it speaks to the character of the people who stole the concept.

@neam801 2 года назад

It's so weird... L'Occitane is a brand that I have respected and it is sold in our most "high-end" department stores in Finland. I'm so disappointed that it's okay to have such unethical business models, but at the same time I'm not surprised, capitalism IS unethical

@_Churchy 2 года назад

I think it matters hugely where we spend our money. Just remember, WE are in charge of our own purse strings, WE decide which companies thrive, WE decide with our coins. If you don't like problematic people or businesses...for whatever reason...do yoyr talking with how you spend your money. None of us can be 100% ethical with our purchases because we don't know everything that goes on within every company. But every little bit we each do adds up. Good video, Angie 👍🏾💕

@rahcat7980 2 года назад

Very sad news. Imo, MLMs are purely predatory in nature. Also - I notice you tend to apologize a lot for the background noise. I don't ever really hear it or notice it personally, but I understand that it bothers you. Hopefully this advice isn't overstepping, but something I held on to when being trained at a bank is to never apologize for something you have no control over. Instead, if you feel inclined to do so, thank the customer (or audience) for their patience/ understanding. Apologizing implies some sort of fault, like for example if you apologize to a customer for having to wait in line, you're implying that it is not simply a fact of life and business, and you may personally have been able to make the line shorter/faster. That's not the reality of course. So instead, just thank them for their patience. It conveys appreciation and that you're aware of an issue without putting yourself down in any way.

@AngelicaNyqvist 2 года назад

thank you! I just feel I wanna say I am sorry for the messy background, there has been construction outside of our appartment for years now it feels like haha

@rahcat7980 2 года назад

@@AngelicaNyqvist we are watching your videos for you :) I'd continue to tune in even if you were in a cave with bats flying around lol

@leslieann4992 2 года назад

I agree I barely hear it and I kind of makes me feel bad when she says sorry for because ik she cant control it

@Rain_Reign 2 года назад

@@AngelicaNyqvist You literally don’t even need to worry about it ☺️

@robindagenais6686 2 года назад

@@leslieann4992 same ❤️

@biogirl1381 2 года назад

i personally got sucked into an MLM but had no idea what i was getting into until it was too late. my “sponsor” knew about my financial situation and i fell for everything she told me would happen, and in the end i was left with more debt and a bunch of products that i’m still giving away and donating.

@AwkwardBirb 2 года назад

Ohhhh this makes sense now. Trader Joe’s (a US grocery company) was selling an exact dupe for BumBum cream under another name and the rumor was that it was actually genuine BumBum cream Sol de Janeiro was trying to get rid of. Makes sense if the new owners are about to change the formula.

@gabrielanoll9078 2 года назад

This is an eye opener. I had no idea that any of the brands you mentioned are an MLM. I am actually shocked that such big brands are an MLM...the it is even possible! Really appreciate your bringing this to light, as it will most definitely affect my not giving my hard earned $$$ to any of them

@dawns071991 2 года назад

I had to pause this and just say WOW. That blue eyeshadow is so pigmented!!! I love it

@blipstercravings 2 года назад

Mary Kay got my mom twice. Once in late 90s/early 2000s. Once around 2015-2016. I think she’s finally learned her lesson

@sugaCat363 2 года назад

Interesting how Lime Life was fastest growing during a global pandemic when we're in a recession and so many people were unable to work and financially insecure. I think that just indicates they were preying on vulnerable people.

@MK-Hogan 2 года назад

I can’t believe anyone would move toward being an MLM these days when people are so much more educated about how horrible and toxic they are. 🤦🏻‍♀️

@leahmiranda8359 2 года назад

I almost got sucked into an MLM once... by a good friend! So happy I listened to my gut, and didn't join! P. S. Our friendship was never the same after that....

@charmedbymeghan 2 года назад

I am so glad you are talking about this on your platform. Because these MLM companies don't care about people. They only care about the money they're making. It doesn't matter who goes into debt or if only a small percentage are actually making any real money in their company. There is so much to be said about these MLMs honestly. Thank you for sharing on this.

@UnboxLili88 2 года назад

I wasn't aware that Eborian and Elemis were owned by Loccitane! I personally am going to avoid all of those brands. It's a little easier for me since I like SDJ but I wasn't in love with their products, but I can see how this is truly disappointing to those who love the brand. If, for instance, Natasha Denona was purchased by an MLM it would absolutely change my opinion of them, but it might be more difficult to give up.

@victoriasellitto9395 2 года назад

So many good questions to ask ourselves as consumers! I’m personally upset about companies becoming MLMs or being bought by an MLM. I have worked for two MLM as a teenager and as a struggling young mom and it’s a horrible experience for myself. And I’m good with sales! Such a modern pyramid scheme and so unethical! Therefore I will not be buying their products anymore!

@maggie_sugarxo 2 года назад

Really dissapointing 😬 i used to work in loccitane ages ago ( in high-school) and used to love their products until they started recruiting "consultants" or atleast in Bulgaria we didn't have any until 2013..🤔 It is sad that we live in a world where mlms still take advantage of people in need and instead of helping them, putting them in even more financial hardship.

@arialydia8095 2 года назад

I can confirm that the Body Shop is also an MLM here in the UK! I hate the fact it's an MLM because they're also cruelty free and I'd loved them for years before I found out. Now I try to limit what I buy from them :(

@geniej2378 2 года назад

I used to buy from The Body Shop and once I heard they're going the MLM route I switched out my products. I really hate that big brands are giving MLM "opportunities" legitimacy.

@kerriwright4593 2 года назад

Your lid shade looks lavender on camera and you're seeing green, pink, blue. Multichrome type shadows are so cool.

@erintran618 2 года назад

When you added that baby blue in the inner corner I suddenly got butterfly vibes. Thanks for sharing about the brand, what a turnoff that they do MLM. I had no idea. Makes me want to throw away the products I currently own by them.

@monicabellmakeup 2 года назад

This is so helpful to know! I didn't even know that L'Occitane made this highly suspect move.....!

@courtneycullen6289 2 года назад

Urban Decay too. Urban Decay used to feel so edgy and cool (although I will never not love their liners) and then they sold as well. But isn't being a big indie brand the dream. You have wide distributions and sales, but it's still your company and baby. Maybe you have to answer to investors, but not to another company or parent company. The actual dream.

@SwaggyBBeauty 2 года назад

I would highly recommend a podcast that focuses on promoting women being smarter with their finances. They dedicate about an hour and a half to interviewing a women who's family has participating in MLM's for almost her whole life and what she experienced growing up because of it. I really enjoyed the whole series but definitely recommend that episode, anyways the name is "Her First 100K". :D

@Stefistat 2 года назад

I was sad when I heard Sol De Janeiro sold to an mlm because I love their products now I won’t ever be able to purchase them again. Someone please dupe their lotion!! ❤️❤️

@menmaemma 2 года назад

Smartest viewers because of the smartest youtuber ❤️ You, Angie, attract similar ppl, and being a smart, educated consumer and a person in general is one of the key reasons this is one of my favourite channels! (Not claiming I'm necessarily in the smart group, but I do enjoy smart company and learning 😊)

@justinebailey8350 2 года назад

I had no idea this happened. MLMs are so horrible and take advantage of people, so thank you for speaking out against them. I guess I can't buy from then now because this nonsense.

@emilynmax 2 года назад

Well that's disappointing! I think you brought up a ton of great points. I do not purchase from MLMs. I do purchase cruelty free, even when the parent company isn't. So by that standard I would still buy from Sol de Janeiro. However, after reading comments from some ladies from Brazil, I do not want to buy their products anymore.

@courtneycullen6289 2 года назад

Another super annoying tactic MLMs do is way mark up the prices on the products and if you like the product, but don't want to be a consultant or whatever they call it, convince people to sign up as consultants to get the discounted prices, but on auto-ship. I had this happen with beach body because I liked their shakes, but they were so expensive. But then I ended up with SO MUCH leftover because I would only use half a cannister a month. It ended up taking me a year to finish what I had leftover and I gave some away. I cancelled the account. And because I have a decent sized IG, I have gotten asked, almost every day for at least 3-5 years to check out some MLM. They are so predatory for people who are stay at home Moms, have physical illnesses, and other reasons why they are mostly out of the work force. I really liked those shakes, but I don't want to support it.

@CD-te8lo 2 года назад

I agree with you completely about MLM's. My parents were talked into an MLM, that sold vitamins and natural cleaners, right after they lost a child. It has been over 30 years and they are still trying to make the kind of money the company claims is easily made. It is truly an example of insanity, doing the same thing over and over yet expecting a different result. Thanks so much for what you said about people being respectful in the comments. Sadly some people think social media is a free pass to treat others cruelly just because they have a differing opinion! PS what do you think of the Dior Powder No Powder?🤗💖

@90sraver22 2 года назад

I admire your honesty angie thank-you for that your looks and colours are always stunning 😍 ❤

@courtneycullen6289 2 года назад

Also L'Occitaine going from brand to MLM is CRAZY to me. I've been shopping IN their stores for way over a decade. They have been less and less at Sephora and it was harder to find their scents and body products, which I always thought made nice presents. And now, all makes sense.

@Rosanna- 2 года назад

I love you for spreading awareness and speaking out against predatory MLMs Angie.

@RENEE2801 2 года назад

It's funny you mentioned about Sol de Janeiro being Brazilian inspired but US based and not even being sold in Brazil. As an Australian, I was in Hawaii 2 years (pre-Covid of course) I noticed a lot of stores carrying a hair care line called "Aussie" complete with kangaroo logo and all! I had never seen or even heard of the brand so after a google search, the company is and always been American owned and apparently was phased out of the Australian market back in the early 90's. The more you know!

@shimmersandsilver 2 года назад

I 100% agree with you. It's important to ask ourselves questions about companies we support with our money. If I don't like the way a company markets, wouldn't allow my daughters to shop there, or disagree with what they support, I shouldn't buy their products because being a customer is tacit approval of what they're doing. It can get really complicated and is definitely a rabbit hole, so we as consumers must decide where the line is, as you say. And also, "What am I going to do with this knowledge now that I have it?" As for the MLMs, I can't stand them. I know a lot of people involved in that business-model, which is sketchy and underhanded at best. There's even one I know of which undercuts its people by selling for cheaper prices on Amazon! I could rant on that topic for a while but suffice it to say: MLMs target disadvantaged, vulnerable, or just ignorant/undiscerning people (the sick, elderly, unemployed, disabled, moms, military wives, etc) and pull them into a web which is hard to escape. Other than that, thanks for your cogent commentary, Angie, and I love the eye look!

@melaniehaynie7841 2 года назад

You're totally right about the MLM model. I've signed up for a ton of different MLMs over the years (primarily to get the products at a discount). I failed miserably at the "business" because I focused on selling product, not recruiting.

@ArtistJane 2 года назад

First off, I just want to say how STUNNING your eyeshadow look today is 💙 I love a good bold, cobalt blue. I don’t have any emotional or financial investment into Sol De Janiero since I had never bought any of their products, but after having seen what MLM’s do to people’s lives from friends that have been in them and in documentaries (the LulaRich documentary is one to watch!), I feel MLM’s are sketchy and play on the vulnerabilities of people who really just want to do something other than the 9-5, are parents, are single women, are disabled, etc. and want to make money. It’s very sad, and I hope this doesn’t become a trend with indie brands.

@kerirhinehart6346 2 года назад

Thank you for this information. I will not support, in any way, any MLM company. They are crooks and prey on vulnerable individuals. This is so disappointing.

@Celine-ig3xh 2 года назад

I don't like MLMs business strategy, it is horrible, you are totaly right to says what you are thinking about MLMs because it is truth, very good video :)

@ChrystalVanDusseldorp 2 года назад

I LOVE the SDJ products, but haven't bought any in almost a year due to price and product size/value. This helps make my decision easier. 💕

@kimberlylware950 2 года назад

Thanks for letting us know. It's a bummer about Sol de Jenero. I know so many people who like their fragrances and moisturizers. I agree with you.

@marianamunford1302 2 года назад

sol de janeiro came to brazilian sephora in september 2021! before that, they didn't have anything to the with the country besides the branding... i'm brazilian and i hate their products' names

@barbarasamyra3200 2 года назад

I'm also brazilian, and hate their products names as well

@emilynmax 2 года назад

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that one of the original creators/brand owners was from Brazil, another being from the US. Still doesn't explain why their products weren't available there much sooner.

@marianamunford1302 2 года назад

@@emilynmax i read on their site that one of them lived in rio for a certain amount of time and fell in love with the culture, and that's why they made it like that!!

@barbarasamyra3200 2 года назад

@@emilynmax As fas as I know, the owner lived in Brazil for some time, but is not brazilian. They are just using brazilian women body and culture stereotypes to profit

@emilynmax 2 года назад

Thank you for letting me know!

@mushrooms. 2 года назад

Love your stance on MLMs and I agree wholeheartedly!! They’re disgusting and I wish people were more educated on recognizing them so they wouldn’t be taken advantage of. Thank you for spreading awareness of them and talking about it on your channel.

@elenafigueroa7947 2 года назад

Thank you for passing on the knowledge, I wont support any MLM. I find it fascinating that some companies like SDJ has been making money off a culture like that and no one has been opposed and i remember when everyone went after Nomad not to long ago. I am 49 and when I was growing up we didn’t have much money but my mom was always buying Mary Kay, princess house, royal prestige, avon, melaleuca you name it and it wasn’t because she wanted this crap it was because she felt obligated to help these struggling women out. I feel like these companies really went after impoverished mothers you couldn’t get childcare to go to work and this was the only thing they could do to make some coin. Meanwhile everything we owned was shopped from yard sales and second hand.

@sveme5450 2 года назад

is anyone even surprised that l‘occitane went mlm. Considering how many people lost their jobs and could not leave the house during the pandemic, „being your own boss“ and selling through Facebook and connections has just gained so much more traction

@maiyorha 2 года назад

to anyone reading this here is a reminder that the body shop is also an mlm! let's not support predatory schemes like that~ uwu

@kisikisikisi 2 года назад

Yes! Plus The Body Shop is really overrated anyway lmao

@maiyorha 2 года назад

@@kisikisikisi yeah big agree, i loved their overpriced hand cremes though

@tWz4462 2 года назад

I can truly say.. Iv learned. Didn't know any of this.. but they way you informed and educated me. it's sad 😢 and it does make me wonder why? All way around.

@alexamandes8872 2 года назад

Edit: just got my first MLM ad while watching this video! 😂 Thank you for talking about this! It’s so important for people to truly understand the insanely predatory practices of MLM’s. It’s so sad how many people get sucked into it without any idea so using your platform for this is fantastic! Showing that they’re growth was the best in 2020 says SOOOO much as it is!

@Makeuphedgehog 2 года назад

I really like both the Bum Bum cream and the Bom Dia bright cream. I particularly liked the Bum Bum cream, bc of it's scent and how quick it absorbs. I already avoided L'Occitane after the experience JenLuv's had with them. I don't like MLM's (for me they just seem another form a pyramid scheme). I have to find another body cream. 😥

@ThePeytonLeigh 2 года назад

I have no strong opinions on MLMs but I do try to stay away as a matter of course because I do find the structure harms their workers. Glad to know this about l’occitane and sol de Janeiro.

@hippie6972 2 года назад

Angie, I have never heard of this before, thank you for telling me about what an MLM is.I will never purchase from a company who is MLM now that I know this!💞

@jayharker 2 года назад

What a serendipitous video for me! I just reported on MLMs and fraud yesterday for a class :) I've experienced a couple MLMs through my mom, though she was never too extreme about it. Sad to hear about L'Occitane, they make a perfume that I really love. I'm in Europe though.

@aliciadavis141 2 года назад

I'm sooo glad you made this video because I had no idea. Now I'm grossed out that I bought Sol de Janeiro as a Christmas gift and bought a loccitane advent calendar 🤢. Money's already spent but glad to know for future!

@jackiejosten150 2 года назад

DANG ITTTT!!! I’ll never support an MLM, so I guess that means SDJ is out. Which means now I have to find a different body cream that makes me smell like a waffle cone. 😭

@GMW.artist 2 года назад

I pray that MLMs will get recognised for what they are: Pyramid Schemes and THEN they will become illegal in most countries and stop preying on vulnerable people...

@loretta_3843 2 года назад

It's not so much that people don't make money in an MLM, a lot of people loose money and get into awful debt! It's like a really toxic business relationship 😕

@heatherkrigbaum5471 2 года назад

MLM are awful. It's sad when this happens and a lot of Toxic Positivity. There is an anti MLM podcast and women who leave are trying to tell others the truth of what really happens in those companies. We have a lot of darkness in the winter time here in Alaska.

@meaghanrabideau343 2 года назад

Wow that is such a bummer, I love the bum bum body spray. I still have a ton left in my current bottle, so hope I can find a similar fragrance by the time I run out. I also had no idea about l’occitaine so that is good to know as well! Trader Joe’s made a body butter that smells EXACTLY like the bum bum cream, since you will be in Texas next summer you should keep an eye out for it!

@nourmezher4129 2 года назад

This is so timely, i was planning on purchasing some elemis products, but now i wont. I had a bad feeling abt loccitane but now i know why! Thanks Angie

@kristenefox7001 2 года назад

Thanks for bringing this up. I don't buy from L'occitane, and now I won't buy from SDJ. I dumped a youtuber I liked about a year ago because she kept promoting an MLM and haven't looked back. They're absolute trash. They lobby so hard to ensure that lawmakers don't restrict them for the scams they are. Amway is owned by the DeVoss family, and if you're American you know that name from Betsy DeVoss. 🙄 Those companies gaslight their employees and consumers. Monat tells women it's normal for your HAIR TO FALL OUT because their products are so caustic. Thrive and essential oils claim to cure fucking disease. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism, sure, but NOTHING these brands sell is something that cannot be found better in every way somewhere else. Period. Get on r/antimlm and ask for a duplicate product if you're having trouble. It's not like fast fashion where you just can pretend you don't know about the conditions in which the people work - you can physically see stories from people who have lost everything there, and everywhere wise. Lularoe just got blasted in the media and people are still stupidly defending them. FTC has been warning companies for years about making health claims. They're cults. Don't support a cult. Period.

@pamelahewlett1750 2 года назад

I wonder if they will still be sold in Sephora? That deep blue eyeshadow is Gorgeous 😍

@wieldwords 2 года назад

I really appreciate the breakdown on this; though I’ve never used anything from L’Occitaine or Sol de Janeiro, I do have a bunch of Elemis products - some literally got delivered an hour ago - and don’t want my money associated with anything MLM adjacent. I’m going to use what I have, but won’t be repurchasing anything as long as the Elemis name acts as a legitimizing face for such an abhorrent business practice.

@hannahlanai 2 года назад

I had no idea that L'Occitane changed to an mlm. I actually haven't even thought or heard about that brand for years.

@ChristineMaz 2 года назад

It’s a no for me on the MLM front. They also prey on moms that are struggling and really need to bring in more income or work from home. It seems like people who are vulnerable in any way is who they target. And largely women.

@EnglishProfStyle 2 года назад

As a college student I got conned into an MLM Company. I really liked the products which is why I signed up. The main problem was you had to do parties to get any sales for this particular company. The only people I knew who also put in for the staff and weren’t interested in doing parties. Never again, unless it’s someone I really really love, no I will not purchase.

@clamonina 2 года назад

The bodyshop is an MLM!!!! I'M SO F-ING SAD! I live in Chile and the bodyshop is a very easy to find cruelty free brand... I don't use everything by them, but still, DUDE!

@GiNgErSnAp-bh7eq 2 года назад

I feel a certain way about racism and social injustice being mentioned in the same video as a too faced product being featured since that is why I do not buy from the brand after showing racism, classism, transphobia etc. I do agree whole heartedly with you that MLMs are predatory though. No thankyou.

@florag9998 2 года назад

everyone: mlms are the worst me: yeah mlms suck! also me: imagining angie having an argument with her best friend “ i’m glad we agree about serious social issues, but i can’t believe you like pressed glitters!?” 😜

@allesnixmitanne3738 2 года назад

I m so Happy that you Talk about MLMs and how they Work! Very very Important

@girlwhomustnotbenamed4139 2 года назад

OMG nooo, I didn't know that about The Body Shop. The lack of regulations in the US will be the end of us all. :( I hate that they have to ruin everything. I love TBS products, I only use their face masks and body butters.. I'll need to look for some substitutes. Anyone has any recommendations (taking into account it has to be as clean as possible in terms of ingredients, packaging, also cruelty free and all-around ethical)? I don't want to support predatory businesses that prey on and exploit the vulnerable. Such a waste though. Thanks for the info. ❤

@Sarahphases 2 года назад

I loved Josie Marans body butters that are pretty clean. She’s got unscented butters! Very lovely but kind of pricey

@northern999 2 года назад

Lush

@susannadler9791 2 года назад

I agree with your thoughts on MLMs. It’s supported by facts and statistics. I wouldn’t buy any Sol d’Janerio products because of who owns them now.

@emilie5507 2 года назад

I think it’s interesting that she says Too Faced is not as hyped anymore or that they are somehow diminished since they were sold. Then 2 minutes later she busts out their new release, the Lady Bold lip pencil and says she really wanted to try it and the packaging is super cute. 🤔

@susanagomez955 2 года назад

Thanks for the update. Yes, knowing that an Indy brand is now part of an MLM changes it all and somehow I feel sad. I won't buy anything from them from now on just because I don't like L'Occitane.

@amandawright9790 2 года назад

That blue shade oh my it's beautiful

@marie-clairebell5748 2 года назад

Similar to Body shop and now L'occitane, Ann summers also uses this method where they have the stores in person and online, but also have a 'Social selling' MLM model.

@mirandagerson6897 2 года назад

Thanks so much for your video. I've learnt a lot! MLMs must be the newer, more palatable name for a pyramid scheme. It's a shame that out of greed these brands who are so wealthy as it is, now turn to preying on the most vulnerable of individuals.

@Jannylocks 2 года назад

I agree 100% about MLMs! Angie, your English is fantastic, spot on! But one thing you will notice in the States is we say “I studied French in college” or “I took French in college”. In the States we “take” classes. 😙❤️

@HanasRoom 2 года назад

I just want to know why a pretty successful brand would sell to an MLM? Especially coming from a company in the US that has seen all the lawsuits and documentaries on LuLa Roe.... How could that be stable financial backing? I like these kinds of videos, I watch more videos like this than I do beauty content. I think it's important to talk about what is going on in the business, because a product is a product... it's very easy to not know what it is attached to. It's like seeing pictures of Politicians and thinking "Well that looks good, I'll buy it"... why do we treat makeup that way? Beauty can be fun, but it's also a business that keeps capitalism thriving. I feel I sound anti-makeup.... I love makeup, but I love people living a happy and healthy life more so I would like to put my money in a company that also loves that.