Solar Panels - Environmental Saviour or Another 'Green' Disaster? 

So long as you don't bother digging to find where the 'green' revolution starts or even where it will end you'll be fine. The more the dig the more disillusioned you become.. Thanks GBC for being our JCB!

As someone who got solar fairly recently I am not doing it for the environment as I'm aware of the CO2 footprint and the issue with panels at the end of their service life but I'm just looking to lower my electricity bill. I must send mixed messages for people who see solar panels, coal smoke coming from my house and still driving a 2.0L diesel.

Solar is great on my boat to charge 2 batteries but it won't power a house, especially when its not sunny! Wind generators are much more sense but dependant on a breeze. All the rhetoric from anyone in Westmonster should be treated with contempt as they are all guilty of persistent lies to make their mates more money...fact! Great work as always Geoff 👏

Makes for sobering reading. We have solar panels, to reduce our bills. This is very similar the EV cars, we are simply not being given the whole picture, as it would obviously destroy the net zero religion myth. If feel saddened this information is not made public. Thanks Geoff for you videos, most welcome.

Geoff I totally agree with you at the end , i still use my 90’s stereo system both my Tvs are from like 2007 still Work fine, both my cars are from 2003 one of which has 180,000 miles on the clock and is still working fine i dont need new stuff my old stuff works perfectly fine

Geoff, in pointing to the World Economic Forum you have got it spot on. It is frightening to find how they have a finger in every catastrophe going.

My neighbor is 10 years into it and still has not broken even. Still has a big electric bill! There are too many cloudy days here in Houston! Plus the 35C summer afternoons!

Another meaning of 'green' is 'naive and easily deceived or tricked'.

Brilliant in depth investigative reporting. I hear the bbc are looking for people like you. The good news is that it pays 1.35 million a year with short hours and basically you can say what you want and you won't get sacked. Get your cv in the post today lad.

Rotary phones may have been the last piece of tech that was wholesome.

The issue of payback is interesting, most of the calculations are based on the panels operating in peak conditions, a sunny day, and new clean pannels. An averadge day with more cloud cover and panels with algae and dirt on them and the energy generation is vastly reduced.

The solar panels we had for our small water feature were crap. They only worked when in direct sun, if a cloud went across or the sun moved away they stopped dead. Squirrels also bit through the wiring. Maybe in a region with extremely strong sunlight, they may work better, but not really in NW nations with many overcast days. Geoff, please do some exposure on the other alternatives they are going to try to force us to use. Currently, the EU is drafting new regulations that will enforce all people with properties to comply or lose the right to use those properties (it is suspected that landlords will lose out first and then homeowners soon afterward: 'You will own nothing and be :) '. People may believe that will not affect us but, as many of us know, what happens on the continent tends to be forced onto our island too; this is a global agenda, after all. It is estimated that home and business owners will have to fork out tens of thousands, ongoing, for numerous updates to their older builds by 2030 (at least pass a grade F certification by then) and by 2033 (a grade E) and so on. One of the updates will be to fully remove all gas boilers and central heating (something many are unaware of, even if they support some green initiatives). In fact, Germany has already started this by stating that a ban on gas and oil boilers could be implemented by 2024. The alternative to those? Definitely not log burners (which are already being presented as harmful to your health and the environment; convenient and predictable) but geothermal (ground) heating. It is incredibly expensive to implement in homes (it either requires horizontal piping laid out throughout your garden/land - goodbye to the landscaped garden - or can be laid vertically beneath homes, so just imagine the work needed). Worse still? It is not suited to all landscapes or homes (making those void - intentionally would be my guess). Guess who is funding some of the tech and lobbying governments to incorporate it into their net zero enforcements? Yes, that infamous man with the initials B.G. The entire concept is based on the principle that the ground takes in heat from the sun and the piping will conserve that for use to heat your home and water. How much heat, realistically, will the ground save in our northern nations? Nations with the least amount of sunlight at the best of times. Good luck to those in Nordic countries who live in darkness for half of the year. My garden's aspect is NW facing and it gets bugger-all sunlight on it during the autumn and winter; so my family would freeze to death. I guess that is okay in order to 'save the planet'. I am sure the UN/WEF/IMF members will continue on keeping warm beside the huge fires burning within their sprawling estates that often encompass hundreds or acres of land (taking more than 15 minutes for them to navigate through). Actually, whilst on the subject of apparently 'saving the planet' is it not an ironic coincidence that those individuals and groups who are enforcing so much in order to put the planet first (not really; just agenda twenty one) and to try to preserve as much of it as possible - to (apparently) limit devastating effects they claim will occur - are the exact same individuals and groups who are avidly trying to muster up support to kickstart WWIII with the threat of nuclear. The damage from the latter would cause to the environment would not be comparable with anything cars or gas boilers could do! Yet nobody seems to notice the b*llsh*ttery for what it actually is; just that. www.euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/european-parliament-agrees-position-on-buildings-law-despite-pushback/

Hi Geoff. If you pronounce it wee-gars I think you’re pretty close. They are being persecuted because they are muslins and their fate would make a whole new video. Shot on sight if they try to escape…many have just “disappeared” and others have organs harvested. Forced labour in the factories is probably as good as it gets. Truly horrific and as long as firms supplying the $’s then few care. I would like to say that the USA was making a ethical stand but I think it has far more to do with protectionism and ensuring supply chains after the disruption of covid.

Green Energy, an Impractical solution to an Imaginary problem.

Good look on that one. Geoff.. Press option 1for slave labour. 2 for sales and lobbying 3 for recycling. Sorry that option isn't available. 😱

I am so glad that you are pointing out the evil human cost behind our seemingly innocuous products. This is effectively the worst kind of SL4VERY and for many poor souls the apocalypse is already here ! :(

All I know is that after placing 24 x 350-watt panels on my roof, I no longer pay unbelievable prices for electricity. In Australia where our winters are as hot as your summers and our summer, in rural towns where I live can have an average of 31-44 degrees Celsius for 6 months of the year and for the other 6 months between 20 -35 Celsius. Our air cons run pretty much 24 hours a day. My bills were on average $1,450.00 a quarter, it would be even more now. But mine are $0.00. Ya gotta luv, solar panels.

I see where are coming from Geoff, but lots of what you are saying can be laid at the door of any/all products made in the Far East. I have 3.5Kw solar and a Tesla Powerwall. I did not purchase them to be "super green", I bought them to save money on bills (£1500 last year) and give me a level of energy independence. The Powerwall can power the whole house for 12 hours, ie overnight, depending on demand. In winter they are less useful, even on sunny days output is low, but from March to November they can power my entire house. I use a lot of energy, running a computer server 24/7, during the summer we often take zero energy from the grid for days at a time, while the sun shines. The government have outsourced almost all manufacturing, pushing the pollution and emissions to China, this is not green and not sustainable.

Some excellent points raised there Geoff and succinctly put. Thanks for making us think too and not just run after the next great technology or energy source! 😎☀🍃

I lived in a 'green' house in Vermont for three years in the late 1970s. We even had two windmills in the yard. I used to give tours telling everyone how great it was, but the systems never really worked. I just explained how they were supposed to work. Ultimately all of the people who built the house moved out. So there you go.

Hi. I have just contacted Mendip council here in Somerset and the chap didn’t know but he gave me the number of our local recycling centre and they apparently will take them. They need the number of panels and notice of when you intend to take them. I was surprised because the centre is not that big, but hey the answer was yes. Keep up the great work you are doing on your channel. Love it. ❤Di J

Time for some net zero bollocks busting

Mine are LG, they only produce in South Korea and the USA. Didn't spot them in the report. Great panels they are too, totally reliable for the last 7.5 years

Excellent, thought provoking video Geoff 👍🏼

Well done . Good and informative . Persuaded me not to waste my time using them

In Australia, a lot of people were goosed into buying solar for the generous feed in tariffs........5 years later, the feed in tariffs started being lowered, now they are basically nothing. Now power companies have been given the green light to not pay for feed in power at all. The other big problem is lifespan......they need to last 50 years, not 25......and to do that they need to be cooled in hot climates to reduce the degradation of the panels. An Australian company are making dual purpose panels that cool themselves (increased lifespan) by making domestic hot water as a byproduct. The really big problem is storage, and lithium doesnt cut it...........they have 60% degradation of capacity in just ten years, and cost 300% more to dispose of, than to make. Realistically, it would be more efficient and less polluting to use solar heat collectors to heat a high temperature liquid, that goes into a storage tank, and runs a stirling engine 24/7 to generate power instead of these PV panels. That way the system almost lasts forever, has storage and doesnt use exotic,toxic materials.

Kris Harbor channel is the most energy independent person on RU-vid. He uses Solar ,Wind and Hydro.

Yep, I live next door to a family that have a large roof area on their bungalow totally covered with panels. They inherited the system when they moved in several years ago. They are not impressed one bit and have calculated that the power generated is barely is enough to run their family freezer! The previous owner paid a small fortune for the installation and as others have said here was unlikely to have broken even during his lifetime.

For myself. Running solar panels has nothing to do with being green(I do love our planet and natural environment, but I don't buy the climate nonsense) I run solar so I have energy independence. The only energy I pay for is bottled gas for some of my cooking needs, but I mainly cook on my wood stove and I buy diesel for my truck(98 transit)... Oh! And a little petrol for my chainsaw... I saw all this madness coming years ago, so got myself off grid and out of the city.

I am here in the US, work as a nurse in the prison and all the prisoners work in the meat packing, potato processing plants and telemarketing industries here. The fun fact is that these prisoners love it. If you have issues with using products done by prisoners, then solar panels are the least of your worries.

We had a very big fire in the Netherlands in a town called Ter Aar. This was also due to solar panels catching fire.

You need coal to make steel and solar panels.

Great information very useful to know, Thanks for putting your time to educate us.

Love you Geoff, you talk the real deal unlike many others :) Give me a shout if you need any help etc with the tech side of things (websites, computers etc....) as that is my bag and I would be happy to help! Love your channel and your straight talking no-nonsense, we need more people like you!

I see this is 3 month old. Must have missed it. Wow what an eye opener. You such a truthful man and exposing this is fantastic. Food for thought. This one.

Dear Geoff I had a 12 panel solar system fitted two years ago.... The "professional" installers fitted them on a northeast facing roof!.... while the sun was shining on the southwest facing roof. I was livid!

Do a follow up video on the efficiency of solar panels Geoff!? I hear tha the slightly older ones are less than 25% efficient!!

Regarding your iPhone and saying you would pay "more money to have a product that is not involved in any of this stuff" The problem is not a need to pay more money, it is supporting a company (all companies?) with absolutely no moral values. Apple is one of the most profitable companies in terms of the cost to make the product vs the price they sell it to you for. More money would just mean more profit for Apple. They are not using Foxconn because that's all they can afford, they are literally asking for the absolute cheapest manufacturing costs available in the world. Apple is an American company, the profit margin on an iPhone is so high, that they could be hand-made in the USA, if they wanted, and still have a high profit margin, but they go with the cheapest of the cheapest. Barely a month goes by where Foxconn doesn't get caught using child labour, despite being fined for using child labour over and over and over

Thanks brilliant if worrying information. I won't be getting any of these any time soon.

I was at Angelos bar in Kassioppi, Corfu recently and he clocked my Nokia phone, no camera. He immediately said 'You are not a slave' with a beaming smile, lovely fella

Hi Geoff. Have you received mail from Worcs County Council about solar panels and your home? Here In Wyre Forest we've had the solar panel bumpf called 'Solar Together' which landed on our doorstep. Basically it's the Council's initiative to farm out the solar panel work to get the best price for households in the WF area. This is very interesting as I had my quote for panels & battery today, and the fact it will take 8 years to pay for itself whilst using 66% of home-farmed solar electricity

The biggest news is there is no climate crisis but one huge con, this country has enjoyed temperatures ver 6 degrees warmer than today’s temperatures and life went on.

We live in sub tropical Brisbane, where every second house has PV panels on the roof. We have had 6.5 kW of panels for five years now. They halved our power bills and paid for themselves after about three years. They're still producing at about 85% of the initial power, probably would help if I washed them down now and then. As I write its midday in mid winter and the panels are producing 3.1 kW of which 80% is going out to the grid. We use a lot of power to run the air con in summer and heating in winter, so we are not nett exporters, but we offset 85% of our usage. One of the best decisions I ever made. 👍🇦🇺

They always talk about 'cost' to recycle but my interest is in how much energy and how much waste etc is produced from recycling..? Is it more toxic to recycle them, and does it use a lot of energy (particular fossil fuels)..? Love ya work mate..!

Solar power is great, but like many others, I think net zero is bollocks. i just want them to say FU to the energy companies (and the gov, and the council, and the "man" (and anyone else I can think of). Nothing says FU like energy independence, no/low bills, your own water supply, grow as much of your own food etc etc. Its up to every bloke to be as independent as possible then you really *dont* have to put up with as much of their shit.

Let me start by saying how much I like your videos and the information you provide, this video comes across as rather scathing about people who have invested (sometimes a lot of money) in solar systems, I recently retired and last year spent a fair amount having solar system fitted to my house along with loft installation, the reason it was done was to reduce my expenses during retirement not to look good or virtue signal to my neighbours.

Thanks Geoff for speaking out on this climate BS...more power to you....👍

Fun fact. Uk wholesale electric cost is 12p kWh. We get charged 30p+ in most cases. We are getting SCAMMED! WEF can't have a great reset without a great crash I suppose.

You mention carbon footprint but there is another measurement that was missed. The amount of energy used to make and deliver the panel compared to the amount of energy it produces in its working life. This figure will of course be less favorable the further north the panel is installed. It’s interesting to see at what latitude it breaks even.

I recently heard on a tv program that the cost to recycle solar panels was in the region of $50, but the elements extracted were only worth about $22, that's why no one does it.

...also the amount of heat that needs to be generated to process the materials to manufacture ONE solar panel requires ONE TON of coal!

Why don’t Electric Cars have SOLAR panels on there roofs to self charge Geoff? Love your show and Love my 850 , I have green number plates too!

Great article that. Proper journalism!

Can you see how carbon currency and trade off is now so readily being normalised instead of being challenged. Sinister times ahead

My mother fitted a large solar system.. on bright days not bad but through most of the winter when you need heating and lighting hardly enough for a kettle. The large control box ( rectifier? ? ). Had three pack up. Seven hundred a piece. Next one to pack up the system is getting removed.

Solar panels are made out of Coal and Quarts fused together in a Coal-Fired Furnace you have to have a battery pack fitted as well, to store power for night time use these cost anything between £7k to £10k and will need replacing every 7 to 10 years panels have about 15 to 20 year life, Get a Diesel power Generator it will be cheaper..

I have had 23 solar panels on my roof since 2011 and I would say that there is, obviousely, an advantage but nowhere near what you are led to believe. I have found that you can't generate electricity at night, in summer you get good results when it is not quite so critical for your needs, but it is pretty poor in winter when you could really do with good electricity generation. A bit like wind generation really. When the wind blows it's good when the wind doesn't blow it's not so good. Let me just say that I am not getting rid of my gas central heating any time soon, but I am keeping the solar panels because it does help a bit with the electric in the winter. Not much but a bit. Oh! and I am getting payment via your energy bills for having them. Now that does give me a return. Thank you.

Is not a bit of a mess, is a massive mess 😳

Uyghur is pronounced something like: wee-ger Xinjiang is pronoiunced shin - jee-ang Photovoltaic solar cells are semiconductors, made in the same manner as computer chips on wafers of polysilicon, which is made by cooking silica sand in hydrogen. The hydrogen is made by reacting methane with steam at high temperature and pressure. The semiconductor part is a wafer fab, using thing like gadolinium, arsenic, and treatment with chemicals including hydrgen fluoride. Once the cells are fabricated into panels, you need to get them installed. Most often, that means putting them on your roof - which at best was made to hold a snow load, but will need to be rebuilt in order to support the solar panels. The projected 40 year service life is a bad joke. You might get a less bad service life in the UK, but in the sunbelt of the United State, you'll be lucky to get 10 years. The glass covers of the panels need to be kept clean, as dust, dirt, or limescale from washing with city water will all block the sunlight. In the sunbelt, we do not get rain to wash the glass, but we do get about 300 days per year of good sunlight. The incident sunlight goes down in intensity as you move further away from the Equator. "Good" insolation comes in at about 1.5 kW/m2 - two "perfect" 1 m2 PV panels provide roughly enough electricity to power a lady's hair dryer. Equipment is not 100% effecient, and never can be. The Second Law of Thermodynamics being the fundamental reason why. Now, the cells / panels are not 100% effecient, which means that there is waste heat to be rejected. Two problems with heating up you semiconductors - they lose even more efficiency, and they degrade permanently, for reduced service life. Tucson Arizona is used a lot as the reference location for solar energy production - where that peak value of 1.5 kW comes from. Tucson also happens to be in a desert, and many days out of the year has temperatures well hotter than 30 C - sort of the threshhold backplane temperature for the PV panels. Problem is, in order to reject heat, the emitting surface needs to be hotter than the cooling medium (ambient air), so you backplane can easily exceed 38 to 40 C So, in your Sonoran or Mojave desert locations - or similar - with really good insolation, you lack water to wash the cells, forget about water cooling, and you bake them while they deliver a greatly reduced output. 10 years of useful service is about the best I've heard for solar arrays ranging from Florida to California. As for disposing of aged-out solar panels, good luck finding the right people to do it - the original sellers will be long gone, and it'll fall on the national governments to pick up the tab, using more of our tax money. The solar cell lobby sure loves them our tax money, but we the consumers / taxpayers get shafted.

Another point you should mention is solar farms where they are installed all over fields

The sad thing is Geoff, options are Not what they seem. Heat pump tech Is total crap, solar panels, ev's just end Up a pile a shit, that nobody wants to Deal with. Great work guys, great work.

Thank you Geoff, very detailed summation 👍 I like your question “who asked for this?” & suggesting calling the local Council, ironically they are the corporate bodies which will be enforcing these renewable measures on the residents,see citizens assemblies (new lobby) on Climate change Oxford Council outcomes reports -I must disagree slightly on the apocalyptic comment, it’s just dressed differently in the West. 👍

Anything we do is bad on mass. I bet batteries are just as bad 😒

Some insurance companies won't let you put them on your roof 🤔 Some are Shared Ownership (AVOID) 😳 So many negatives with owning them 👎 Note:If there are to many people in the world, then give us an incentive not to reproduce 👍

12 or 14-years ago the magazine New Scientist wrote a report about solar panels. While government want us all to fit solar panels on our houses, there is a problem! In spite of what companies say about what a solar panel can produce, output drops considerably on properties facing east west. Compared to properties facing north south. And now its no secret of the environment cost and problems in both making them and scrapping them. So with this in mind, how does this fit within governments net zero targets?

I remember when solar panels were first mooted. We were going to manufacture them in Britain and it was going to create an abundance of new "green" jobs that would cut the high unemployment of the time. Well the jobs never happened but the high unemployment seems to have gone away by itself,as now we don't have enough workers,they say.

The "Green Revolution" is a very different thing if you are an over-fed billionaire living on the shores of lake Geneva, versus a Chinese peasant in a shanty town outside Shanghai.

been onto this for a while wasnt aware how bad it actually is. Nuclear power is the only green energy generation and the safest.

As someone that spent the first 29 years of my life in the U.K. i cannot see how any amount of solar could be possible in a country that gets maybe 90 days a year without clouds. In the area of the U.S. where i live it is cloudy about 200 days a year and solar is not practical. Given that the average property in the U.K is about the size of a postage stamp you would need a flat roof covered in solar panels to boil an egg for breakfast . Don't get me wrong i have a solar system but only for emergencies and running my pool pump but i would have to spend 20 years electricity bills to be self sufficient and would have to cover an acre of my property with solar panels.

It is pronounced "wejers" Glad to help. God bless you for your channel.

This is unbelievable but entirely unsurprising. Ditto anything made in China I’d assume - so almost everything then. Well done for doing this.

Much like the EV scam, also there’s a lot of issues where wild birds fly into them thinking it’s water and the poor things subsequently die, come across this a lot over the years since near where i live where there’s fields and fields of solar farms.

I would communicate with my father using just thoughts telling him about what I have seen and heard and he would just remind me of him saying he did not want to die from gun shot wounds when I suggested we tell people we could do that and said people are just lazy to use their brains and this thing of using other people just proves that, I can tell you about what I heard about today because I am more like knowing you now that I know your name but let me do what he asked me and not put you through this by trying to talk to the people I love who will not talk to anyone about what I talk to them about hoping one day I will talk to people like you freely without having to worry

I have solar panels, and I don't care about green. I care that they reduce the electricity that I have to BUY and the surplus I sell back to the provider . The main catch is that most people have to have credit to buy them, so the supplier makes more on the loan than you save on electricity.

Hi I have been using solar pv for 30 years usually e waste until recently but the best panels are 80% inefficient & in the normal way as you pointed out in the sun's heat warmed the ground/people. The inefficiency of solar panels is heat that stops them working & if ground mounted will not heat the ground (the ground acts as a storage heater & regulates day night temperature)but the solar panels stop the natural ground warming this will increase the difference between day/night temperature but probably not for roof mounted & increase climate change? but still 80% inefficient. Also I have tried wind unfortunately it's too windy where I am & it's destroyed 2 wind generators & I never get answers to questions when i ask like you.

Yes I'm in! I'd like some of that please... Glad to know at least some people are kept in misery for my privileged benefit.

I have had 15 panels for 7 years.In summer they are great,in winter useless.I get a feed in small feed in tariff,but primarily it can run the house and charge the EV.As far as environmental impact how about the oil spill in Poole harbour? As far as rate metals did you know that cobalt is used to refine petrol?

Same with wind turbine blades that need replacing every so often. Look up wind turbine blade cemeteries.

Trouble with solar panels is that they take forever to pay back, estimate for me is eleven and a half years assuming I don't use credit to buy them and I don't buy batteries, then they are only useful in late spring, summer and early autumn. Take a look at the farmers protests in Holland and governments aims around tyhe world to cut food production!

The thing to do with old solar panels is to keep on using them. Solar panels are usually rated for 80% original capacity at year 20, and can be continuously be used until they suffer a physical fault. They are not a product that has a fixed maximum life(like batteries), if you look after them they will last. They are modular, so swap them out one at a time if you need to. Most of the solar panel's environmental problems can be averaged out to be very small carbon/emissions because the likely lifetime of solar panels is much longer than the alternatives. Currently solar is definitely one of the better/best choices for those that have enough sunlight.

I am seeing more and more articles about Insurance Companies refusing to insure houses with solar panels.

Besides the polluting, poisonous and deadly minerals and compounds used to produce the photo-voltaic solar panels, their production requires and uses enormous quantities of high grade coal which is burnt at very high temperatures, which means that producing solar panels is very much NOT green.

We should start calling them red companies for all the blood spilled 🤔

If Khan, Greta, Gary and Alastair think they're ok, they must be ok!

Well said Geoff.

Got a small local company to fit 18kw of panels on the factory roof. We are based in Lancashire and even here we make enough electric to run the factory and we are currently £800 in credit. Breakeven point at this rate is 2 years. Given that they are guaranteed for 25years and can last far longer I think they are a good part of the mix. HOWEVER why on earth do we need fields full of them when we have tons of massive industrial units with useable roofs ?

Please end this Net Zero bullshit !

Slightly concerning, I believe all mine (32?) are all JA Solar. Goes to show, doesn't matter where you get your energy, someone somewhere has been abused.

Sounds like the factory workers are already living in a 15 minute city.

Great vid but just had to comment on the book shelf ?? It has been noted that most folk that do vids etc on T.V. or being interviewed etc have always always a selection of books on book shelves behind them "making them look inteligent" I gues? I just love you take on it! Books on a hamper Well done Geoff for not letting the side down L.O.L.......

Apply the same scrutiny to the oil and gas industries.

With the little power they produce and the manufacture of same, how were they ever deemed viable? Another grift.

Someone here just had some shiny panels put across her roof. It’s been more or less overcast since (at least a month of it). She showed me her little app which reads out details of what’s being generated - middle of the day showed about 500 watts, don’t turn the kettle on. 😅

Another great video Geoff, can I say on this video title picture the picture of klaus Schwab, I'm sorry but he looks like Dr evil from the austin powers franchise. Which fits him quite well.

Wow so glad I heard this was thinking about having this not now no way 😤😭thank you

there is no such thing as "green energy",

Only 16% of rivers are clean enough. Great video as usual

Well this guy's not biased :D The wordl's a complicated, messy place. You've got to start somewhere though and hopefully the problems will be ironed out later on. Using solar energy, the oldest energy there is, is still the right way to go even if the technology is not there yet.

Putting solar panels on our house was about the best decision we made... during March to Sept we generate all the power we need and more .. with 4k array 12 panels plus 5.2kw storage battery - on top of that we get paid Feed in Tariff from the energy supplier ..sure panels are made in China , so what ? so are i phones, laptops etc.. we also charge our EV using 100 % solar energy which means ''free driving'' from about March to Sept, and even during winter on sunny days we can still generate power . pay back is around 5 years ... solar PV energy is not a scam nor is it the end of the world .. in fact..it makes bloody great sense..

Very informative thank you.