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solvers are making you worse at poker... 

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here's how poker solvers could be holding back:
1) we offload thinking to a machine that isn’t thinking: it’s easy to forget we’re playing poker against other human beings. when i first dove deep into theory i would often think, “i’m at the top of my range here, i can’t fold!” but… our very best bluff catching hand is not a great bluff catcher against someone who hasn’t bluffed in 25 years. don’t lose sight of who we’re playing against.
2) gto vs exploit is NOT an either/or - it’s a continuum: the very best gto play is the very best exploit play and vice versa. if we lock a solver to give it some clues how our opponent is playing, the solver will be the best exploit player in the world.
3) we let ego get in the way. i’ve fallen into this trap countless times. as poker became my full time career part of my identity revolved around being known as a great poker player - which involved making a lot of “equilibrium approved” plays. being great at poker isn’t about being perceived as great - it’s about making the most $. don’t let perception at the table influence your decision making.
4) we use solvers as a crutch. i’ve been guilty of this countless times. after calling it off in a questionable spot we go home and plug the hand into a solver…and what do you know! our hand is a partial call! we played ok…in equilibrium…because our opponent big laramie (on his 4th corona) is definitely applying equilibrium strategy.
finally, a couple tips i’ve found helpful along the way:
don’t use solvers to spot check hands. instead, use them to build an anchor point of where baseline resides. what is the worst hand thats supposed to be bluffed here? what’s the best hand that’s supposed to be folded? if we know where baseline resides - we can quickly deduce if someone is under/over bluffing/calling/folding and effectively make exploits to make us $. making exploits without knowing baseline theory is just blindly swinging in the dark.
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in this video: marc goone and gethen jacobs discuss how gto pokers solvers are making you worse at poker.

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Комментарии : 38   
@alakazaam4292
@alakazaam4292 11 месяцев назад
This is so relatable to me. Crush small/mid cash live, finally made the move to online mid stakes tournies, and now all the theory I’ve learned interferes with my reliable exploits and experience from tens of thousands of play hours.
@hungryhorsepoker
@hungryhorsepoker 11 месяцев назад
it's a huge challenge! one of the things gethen taught me was always viewing a hand thru one of three lenses: 1) what is our hand incentive (vs fish) 2) what mistakes are they making vs range (vs typical regs/pool) 3) what is the equilibrium baseline strategy (vs very strong regs). if you train your brain to flip thru all three of these depending on the villain, the whole matrix opens up. things get real confusing though, when you have all 3 of these types of players multiway in one hand!
@TheGeneral_LUFC
@TheGeneral_LUFC 11 месяцев назад
Bro online is a lot harder than live
@1LevelUpGuy
@1LevelUpGuy 6 месяцев назад
Yeah. What now? :) What was the biggest "bridging" fundamental between vs that helped you improve over the last 5 months ? If you could share few of your relearnings that would be great (could be as simple as "continue playing strong hands with same barrell frequency but sizing changed from bet large on flop to bet small on flop..etc)
@georgeargyris543
@georgeargyris543 Год назад
The fact that many live hands go multiway also make solvers less useful, especially when using GTO trainers
@hungryhorsepoker
@hungryhorsepoker Год назад
it certainly makes using solvers more tricky, which is why most people fall down the rabbit hole of misapplying takeaways from them. one suggestion for live: look at the edge cases. look at what hands your opponent is supposed to be bluffing. is he bluffing all those? if not, EVERY bluff catcher becomes a profitable fold. same for when you’re the aggressor. what hands are they supposed to be calling with? are they calling with more? value bet thinner. are they calling with less? bluff with reckless abandon. this is a much more useful framework than “spot checking”
@rogerc.9811
@rogerc.9811 11 месяцев назад
I couldn't agree more! Played in a 5/5 game last week at Gardens and an omc player in 2 seperate spots limp called open bet to $35 call, and he calls in 2 seperate hands with JJ and the other with AK suited. To add to Marc's point, now knowing this omc 3 betting strategy consists of 2 hands probably only AA and KK he was very easy to exploit. Couldn't even imagine trying to input this jabronee's hands into a solver. 😂 I need coach's like you to take me to the next level!
@TheGeneral_LUFC
@TheGeneral_LUFC 11 месяцев назад
I only ever play online..i hate cash. In ireland we have a great live scene and the fields are tiny. Id love to try live poker. Im just nervous to start.
@marksimpson2321
@marksimpson2321 6 месяцев назад
Brilliant point about solvers. Solvers give users non exploitative plays v other non-exploitative plays with certain inputs.
@jllerena488
@jllerena488 Год назад
Potential east coast horse here. Marc love your monthly vids on CLP one of my fav content creators! Also love thr comedic undertone on these hungry horse vids. Good stuff.
@hungryhorsepoker
@hungryhorsepoker Год назад
hey thank you i appreciate it! trying to find a good mix in these where people can take something useful away but they're not completely dry and boring. hopefully we can stumble upon that mix soon.
@xxpaloxx11
@xxpaloxx11 Год назад
Please finish every video with the big big blind and a little little suit jingle from now on, love your videos and im thinking of applying next year when i graduate and i get enough time to play 25+ hours a week
@hungryhorsepoker
@hungryhorsepoker Год назад
😂😂 we were saving those for the vlogs but can def add them to every video liz will love it
@jasonhounsell3297
@jasonhounsell3297 11 месяцев назад
Im 2 minutes in and just heard the part about implementing solver output. The real issue is the node locking. Alot of the players you play against are so exploitable and unblanced that if you were to really input all the nodes for that person. The solver might agree never bluffing is the way to go, or over cbetting is the way to go if they have very obvious betting patterns indicating weakness etc. Wether you are exploiting or playing the most balanced strategy, the assumptions you make dictate the outputs. What I assume is a better use for using solvers would be inputting all the assumptions you are making and see the outputs and maybe derive different lines you had not considered. If this is failing then you need to re-assess your assumptions.
@nighma
@nighma Год назад
Probably what I needed to hear right now! Thanks
@hungryhorsepoker
@hungryhorsepoker Год назад
do you think you’re using solvers inefficiently? or just not getting the answers you need from them?
@lukixpogo2254
@lukixpogo2254 11 месяцев назад
Yes. Poker is all about the best stradegy against a certain opponent. Solver give you ideas, but your decision should be based off your opponent’s tendencies not just randomly doing a certain action for no reason.
@the40yearoldgamer41
@the40yearoldgamer41 8 месяцев назад
I love playing against solver boys. They call and bluff way too much. Easy to trap. They also never hero call.
@mxg1072
@mxg1072 11 месяцев назад
This is excellent content
@hungryhorsepoker
@hungryhorsepoker 11 месяцев назад
thank u sir more on the way!
@brementmark
@brementmark 8 месяцев назад
Did you guys coach Robbie Lew?
@hungryhorsepoker
@hungryhorsepoker 8 месяцев назад
not yet
@karlinchina
@karlinchina 11 месяцев назад
I think I get the point after 2 minutes. Editing is super annoying. Can't watch any more.
@akidyouknow3215
@akidyouknow3215 11 месяцев назад
Against live players who are absolute donkeys and have massive exploitative leaks sure exploitable poker is obviously good, however pretty much every good player online whether that be in cash games or Mtts are very solid and put it in an incredible amount of work on studying gto. At the end of the day gto is just math and logic. Asking people to exploit random online players is almost impossible unless you’re using population analysis which at the end of the day doesn’t even apply to every player.
@burkhartlaw1
@burkhartlaw1 7 месяцев назад
Matt Berkey would freak out over this take. It I agree with you.
@jacobgraham4166
@jacobgraham4166 Год назад
Big larime is actually drinking non-alcoholic beer and is secretly a crusher
@hungryhorsepoker
@hungryhorsepoker Год назад
his beer can is actually using google glass to feed the hands from the table into ruse which is giving him real time assistance on the "nutrition facts" label of his beer
@jacobgraham4166
@jacobgraham4166 Год назад
@@hungryhorsepoker 🤯
@LongNguyen-ho9qf
@LongNguyen-ho9qf 11 месяцев назад
Big Laramie here I study solvers everyday ty very much.
@hungryhorsepoker
@hungryhorsepoker 11 месяцев назад
this is why we always recommend using randomizers to make close decisions at the live poker table - you never know when you're playing against a big laramie!
@jddubbz
@jddubbz Год назад
man that british guy sounds smart i wonder what his mustache smells like
@hungryhorsepoker
@hungryhorsepoker Год назад
which british guy?
@jddubbz
@jddubbz Год назад
the one with the mustache @@hungryhorsepoker
@marksimpson2321
@marksimpson2321 6 месяцев назад
I think theyre American but Gethen sounds British to me. (I'm a Brummie) ! 😂
@phrog6073
@phrog6073 11 месяцев назад
i think ur talking big game for a live player and you need to humble your self on some online games
@hungryhorsepoker
@hungryhorsepoker 11 месяцев назад
gethen's entire background is online poker over the last 15+ years. he played mostly 1k-2knl before starting hhp and consistently won 7-8bb/100. marc is a fish, tho. touche.
@phrog6073
@phrog6073 11 месяцев назад
@@hungryhorsepoker my bad g, when tho bc there is no reason for him to play hustlers bc he makes monre at 2knl with 8bb/100 also how is he not more well known, is it myb bc he had to switch to live bc his play wasnt good enough to beat those stakes like he did in the 1800s
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