Solving EV's Biggest Problem - Battery Recycling Explained

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Solving EV's Biggest Problem - Battery Recycling Explained. Between our obsession with mobile electronics and the growing popularity of electric vehicles, lithium ion battery demand is growing at an astonishing rate. Most of that demand is being driven by automotive sales which consume 60% of lithium ion batteries. It’s not hard to imagine how far that’s going to go in time, which raises the big question ... what happens to all of those batteries when they die?
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@UndecidedMF 3 года назад

So what do you think? Will recycling overtake the need for mining? And if you liked this video, check out "This 3D Printed House Changes Everything - Explained": ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gxbyWly_pls.html

@theflyingwelshman5338 3 года назад

If I might make a suggestion, I think you should do some research on aluminum ion batteries.

@matthewknobel6954 3 года назад

In every process there is always a small amount of loss of material that can not be recovered. Cell phones thrown in the trash instead of recycled or wrecked cars that sit in a junk yard instead of being recycled. So in short you will always need new supply of materials. The question is not will it over take it, but how much can we reduce it. Maybe someday we can mine landfills for raw materials.

@sramay123 3 года назад

aluminium ion batteries it seems ok no recycling required. But what we can use graded transport for less than a km by walk, less than 2-3km by cycle, 5-10 kms by 2 wheelers preferably ev/aluminium ion battery. 4 wheelers for long distance provided with minimum of 3-4 people or public transport. air travel only for 1000km beyond. avoid travelling as much possible. these steps only can save environment.

@EmilioBaldi 3 года назад

Looking at plastic recycling...no.

@Tron-Jockey 3 года назад

Might want to include along with this topic the topic of how incredibly long properly maintained Li-ion batteries can last especially with a the right BMS algorithm. The combination makes it easier to understand why there is little reason to worry about a future transition to electric vehicles. Excellent vidio by the way.

@mewwww17 3 года назад

This is such a good channel. I don't remember how I stumbled across it, but the level of research and concise informative format are beyond impressive. Not having enough time to look into these many complex issues myself, I'm so grateful that Matt has decided to research in my stead (and much more thoroughly).

@UndecidedMF 3 года назад

So happy you're finding them helpful. Thanks for watching!

@acegriffin5412 3 года назад

The level of research presented has caused me to earmark this channel as a "go to" for my Honors English classes. This is everything a teacher looks for in a presentation from thorough research to concise language in presentation. Thank you!

@poodlehead909 3 года назад

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@gingernutpreacher 3 года назад

@@UndecidedMF yes thank you it's easy to forget how much work goes in

@s3vR3x 3 года назад

@@gingernutpreacher its funny i have no idea how i stumbled into this channel but i love it too! Very well researched and presented

@jeffwilliams6374 3 года назад

EV’s biggest problem = strip mining the planet looking for rare earth minerals (using petroleum based earth moving equipment) in the name of protecting the environment...

@GeoFry3 3 года назад

The biggest problem are morons who think everything is a problem. Even if everyone walked you types would be blathering on how sidewalks, old shoes, and sweatiness are destroying the environment. Offer solutions instead of just making more CO2 with your nonsense.

@wiciuwiciu2783 3 года назад

@@GeoFry3 oh you naive... at the time we would ship new cars, and scrap them after small accidents, we would ship "old" ones to poor countries. In meantime China and India would motorize even more. In this year only they INCREASED CO2 by 5%. Also ships don't burn small amountsof clean fuel. They burn the heaviest stuff :)

@GeoFry3 3 года назад

@@wiciuwiciu2783 yes because people in the third world should live in mud huts and not modernize and be even more destructive to their environment. Good attitude. Even old cars being shipped are better than what they had access to previously. Those dirty ships were already here dropping things off better that they run back full than empty.

@feedbackzaloop 3 года назад

We need a NileRed video on reproducing the cycle. I mean, he alredy extracted Zync and Manganese...

@Urmum41 3 года назад

First thing I thought of when I saw all the chemistry stuff

@patricknelson 3 года назад

Oh heck yeah. A collab some some sort like that here would be sweet.

@Xepa777 3 года назад

How did you not mention the primary US recycling company, ABML (American Battery Technology Company)? Redwood uses smelting, which creates toxic emissions into the air, while ABML uses a water-based recycling method that's 100% sustainable. And it's a company led by ex-Tesla engineers.

@SamsaraRevolves 3 года назад

And it's right next door to Giga Nevada. And will to 20K tonnes a year with their pilot plant. And they have IP for greener lithium extraction during mining. The more I look at the last battery day presentation, the more I think ABML is the answer to the "first principles" problem of lithium supply.

@eaaeeeea 3 года назад

Battery recycling will be absolutely essential because the materials are so scarce. I like how EV demand has increased battery recycling demand, which in turn will benefit all industries that use batteries. I'd love to see a world where everything can be 100 % recycled to pure raw materials cheaply and safely!

@skullfucker3381 3 года назад

hate to break it to ya but it will never be 100% right now its about 80% its mostly the chemicals that break down. i used to manufacture batteries. this applies to all recycling each time u lose a smal percentage of what it used to be.

@eaaeeeea 3 года назад

@@skullfucker3381 The atoms and molecules will still be there, even though all of the materials won't be in their original form due to chemical reactions. I think it's just a matter of finding the technology and having an abundance of cheap energy to make it happen.

@skullfucker3381 3 года назад

@@eaaeeeea if we r real here that would be a great difficult leap changing the manufacturing process entirely, currently you do have better alternatives that are on the bench like: Sodium-ion, lithium-sulfur and solid-state batteries just to keep up with demands, tho we do have great potential the stuff in it is poisonous for environments to give you an example, every day my work day ended we had to put our clothes in sealed black bags, mandatory showers on site and monthly leave urine tests I think it was high cancer risk amongst other things. There is a reason why they are trying to push for a fully automated industry.

@Scrogan 3 года назад

@@eaaeeeea as you say, an abundance of cheap energy is exactly what’s needed. With that, carbon capture and all sorts of other strange technologies will become viable.

@jimmyboy2 2 года назад

What is done with the solvent waste?

@a_r_u_n7595 3 года назад

The most awaited video from one of the best channels

@UndecidedMF 3 года назад

Appreciate it!

@ManyHeavens42 3 года назад

Your lucky dude

@jackdenger1 3 года назад

Why no mention of American Battery Technology Company? Same team that built Tesla’s gigafactory with a much more sustainable hydrometallurgical approach that has near-zero emissions.

@DevinHeida 3 года назад

Often one of my bug concerns but glad to see it's being worked on. Will this work for solar panels as well?

@UndecidedMF 3 года назад

Not these specific companies, but yes ... there are companies trying to perfect solar panel recycling cheaply too.

@KarryKarryKarry 3 года назад

Sure! you can reclaim all metals from anything, with varying degrees of success.

@Amuzic_Earth 3 года назад

Solar panel recycling is behind the battery recycling curve in terms of commercialization inspite of being an earlier tech. The reason being, Solar panels have much longer standard life of 25-30 years compared to EV batteries 8-10 years. Of course, in real life solar panels can stay functional up to 50 years and EV batteries up to 20 years.

@mhamma6560 3 года назад

@@KarryKarryKarry The question isn't can you recycle solar panels, the question is can you do it efficiently and at a point where the material yield can pay for the process. Only then will it be worth the time and effort to divert landfill goods to recyclers.

@mariusvanc 3 года назад

@@KarryKarryKarry of course you CAN, almost everything we manufacture is recyclable. The question is, is it economical, and is it less damaging than disposing of the waste.

@wineberryred 3 года назад

I think we will always need mining but at lower and lower levels as recycling ramps up. As has been the case over the past 150 years humans have consumed more and more materials and I don't see that changing which means that even if we recycle 100% we still need new material. It's also, in my opinion, impossible to recycle 100%.

@James-sk4db 3 года назад

Space mining always a solution

@graham1034 3 года назад

@@James-sk4db Just need to couple that with space waste disposal

@MDP1702 3 года назад

@@graham1034 not really a problem unless you bring the waste to earth/earths orbit.

@skullfucker3381 3 года назад

No it's not "just Ur opinion" it's reality every time recycling process is done a percentage of those materials are gone.

@propadanda 3 года назад

The success of lead recycling is a good example of how changes can satisfy needs

@zarkomeseldzija5584 3 года назад

Great video Matt! Thank you for letting me be a part of it.

@claybroze3311 3 года назад

Keep up the good work Zarko! You should hop on that podcast with Larry sometime! People like hearing from you.

@donaldwright2426 3 года назад

Zarko, what the company is doing is a vital key to this battery world and chaine.

@julianshepherd2038 3 года назад

Good work and outstanding name.

@Dr-T 3 года назад

Good evening Matt. An excellent video -- again :-) Having spent 40+ years in the domain of Automotive Electronics, I can say 'Batteries are not enough.' If you want more range, you add more batteries -- which adds more weight -- which reduces the range etc. Recycling old or mining new raw materials is not the debate (in the limit.) We need a zero emission lightweight power source for at least the Transport sector. We know what that is, we know how to use it, it's just not reached the 'tipping point' yet. Its called Hydrogen! Let the recycling debate rage until it becomes obsolete. Best wishes. Stay safe. Bruce

@DougBohm 3 года назад

VW solved this issue in Germany. They already built a complete end-to-end recycling plant that extracts out all the precious metals and re-uses them in new batteries. It’s pretty amazing.

@NobleGas_54 3 года назад

That's so cool! what's the name of the plant so I can read more about it?

@rajivpokharel88 3 года назад

any article links??

@DougBohm 3 года назад

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@furlanut4175 3 года назад

Actually it's not at all what you're suggesting. The VW plant in Salzgitter is an experimental laboratory with an expected recycling capacity of ten (TEN!) car battery sets per day and still not working. It's just another marketing argument as all the other examples mentioned here. Still waiting for something serious ... Here's the link to the official VW site: www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/de/storys/aus-alt-mach-neu-batterierecycling-in-salzgitter-6782 And here the announcement in English: www.volkswagenag.com/en/news/stories/2019/02/lithium-to-lithium-manganese-to-manganese.html

@crichtonjohn1187 3 года назад

"The separation and processing of the individual substances by hydrometallurgical processes using water and chemical agents are carried out by specialized partners, Volkswagen says." The real life recycling will go like this: they will collect the batteries, will put them in ships and will send them to the "partners" in africa, india, china and so on where kids and people in labor camps will smash them with axes, will burn the plastic and recover the copper. It's basically the same process involved in the recycling of the lead acid batteries which are sent in africa and india where eagerly awaiting people with hammers smash them, melt he lead and burn the plastic. They don't even need respirators because the fumes and lead oxide dust are like vitamins for them. The Li-Ion batteries will only improve their blood levels of cobalt and manganese which is very useful. Cobalt defficiency leads to anemia so these people will be healthier after inhaling the dust from the black mass from batteries.

@thelonelyrogue3727 3 года назад

I just bought my first EV last night, partially because of the influence of your videos! A used 2012 Nissan Leaf. Very happy to be doing my part and saving money!

@KeVIn-pm7pu 3 года назад

Did you buy the battery or do you rent it? How much did you pay and how efficent is the battery still?

@thelonelyrogue3727 3 года назад

@@KeVIn-pm7pu I own it, I bought the whole car from some dude. It will go forty miles on a full charge, at the specs at manufacture are for 100, I believe.

@UndecidedMF 3 года назад

Nice! Congrats on the Leaf.

@skylarkesselring6075 3 года назад

@@thelonelyrogue3727 40 seems almost useless

@MrBizteck 3 года назад

@@skylarkesselring6075 depends on you usage. 80% of my trips are

@ingbtc 3 года назад

I have Li-Ion and NI-Mh ( from 10 years and still can be used for small tasks ) I haven't dispose any

@honesty_-no9he 3 года назад

NiMH rocks. Once in a blue moon a AA gets rejected by the intelligent charger but that is after hundreds of recharges so it goes into the recycle bin.

@mohdrashid7689 3 года назад

Please contact E-mail arkrashid20@gmail.com

@ingbtc 3 года назад

@@mohdrashid7689 why ?

@lync8432 3 года назад

I've said for years, whoever starts recycling these batteries is going to make a lot of money.

@vivekdubey9061 3 года назад

You should've started it

@teteeheeted 3 года назад

Or alternatively the person who figures out a more eco friendly battery (Solid State Batteries) which have already been theorized, and are trying to be made by many companies like Samsung and the actual person who came up with the idea, who also happened to invent lithium ion batteries, and RAM

@Altcapball 3 года назад

Not if the recycling process consumes more energy than what is being recycled was intended to save. This is the case with solar panels, as melting down the leaded glass and separating the water polluting heavy metals costs more than the out put of the panels.

@cjadventures8840 3 года назад

Same

@clockworkonion954 3 года назад

@@Altcapball Are you saying that, if you would produce and power solar panels from recycled solar panels, then this would use more energy than the entire lifetime output of the solar panels and, thus, would be a net negative in energy production? If this is not what you mean, can you rephrase it?

@mceajc 3 года назад

Whoah. Mind blown in the first minute of the video. 1% of automotive sales being 60% of the consumption of lithium battery production? Holy. Moly. Rough calculation says that lithium battery production will have to be 100 times what it is at the moment in order to satisfy a fully electric automotive supply chain. That's a lot.

@scottrader6411 3 года назад

Rochester! That city (like so many) could sure use some help. I can only imagine how many empty Eastman-Kodak buildings there are.

@justinstephenson9360 3 года назад

Yes, went there 18 months ago and it was rather sad. I think it is the sort of city where no one really lives "in the city" but all in the suburbs. At night the centre was a very empty depressing place but nevertheless had some amazing buildings

@ManyHeavens42 3 года назад

Nice try harder

@fredericrike5974 3 года назад

And that is why they located there- lower rent for the facility they needed and a ready, high tech work force. This is not the only such opportunity in the US just now. Boeing has signed in the new lessee for one of their big assembly bldgs in Seattle. Many empty malls are parking and sorting places for Amazon's fleets of delivery trucks. And within the next ten years, self driving cars are likely to become normal if not the norm- 80 K OTR truck drivers will be without a job. This has been the ever accelerating story of the Industrial Revolution. FR

@avisitorhere 3 года назад

@@justinstephenson9360 Yes, the core of the city is very quiet at night. Its nor really a city as much as it is a suburb. But most American cities are like that now.

@avisitorhere 3 года назад

Not as many as you think really. Most of the ones designed for a specific purpose have been knocked down. The infrastructure is still there though. In house utilities, sewer, rail line waste treatment plant etc. Its all there, someone just needs a reason to build on it.

@davidrubio.24 3 года назад

As the global demand for Lithium ion batteries increase is impossible to use recycling to fullfil the demand. But when the demand stagnates, then recycling will be able to cover most of the supply.

@20teamplayer 3 года назад

You have to do both since there's not nearly enough recyclable batteries yet to meet the need of the electric car market.

@monovodo4793 3 года назад

yes, but someday there will be enough recyclable Batteries. And this is a good future... in my eyes..

@Brian-om2hh 3 года назад

And neither will there be enough oil to last another 50 years, so take your pick........

@PushpakElleedu 3 года назад

Do not forget the second life use for old ev batteries which are still in working condition, they still retain 70% efficiency after 10 yrs of use and can be used for stationary uses for 10-15 yrs more.

@jameshughes3014 3 года назад

great point. reduce, reuse, recycle - in that order.

@BradGryphonn 3 года назад

Recycling can't replace mining for Lithium. The math doesn't work: A recycled battery, at best will return 80% of the original Lithium used to make the battery. So we need to mine another 20% to make a new battery. If we make a battery from the recycled material, we use 20% more of that material to make a new battery If we recycle that battery, our returns diminish. If we can't develop a technology to recycle 100% of the Lithium from a battery, then we need to continue mining this finite resource. Perhaps this is a portent to our future. One with no base power source besides a campfire.

@spacedoge3508 3 года назад

Well Isn’t that why Elon is trying to commercialize space?

@tom.jacobs 3 года назад

Yeah, and even if we would recycle 100%, the increase in demand will make mining not disappear soon

@ebattleon 3 года назад

Yeah, 1) That's the former Tesla guy's process, that may not be indicative of other companies processes. May be sign of dumping of toxic waste, but I digress. 2)there ~180 Billion Tonnes of Lithium in the Oceans of the world. We are not going to run out of it soon. So there is camp fire base power source in our future. Now if you want to argue that if we have a future because of human nature...

@davidbrayshaw3529 3 года назад

There is nothing that can be recycled without external inputs. I'm not a physicist but I think that there was someone called Newton who figured this out. Solar panels can't make solar panels, batteries can't make batteries and wind mills can't make windmills without external energy inputs. Even in EV production ( I own an E bike), a large amount of petrol and diesel is produced as a bi product in the manufacturing process as a result of plastic and rubber production. It is not only somewhat ironic, it's also a lot of "wasted" energy. The question that humanity needs answered at present is what is the best use of these inputs. Commercial interests, proprietary technology and blind faith have clouded the answer to this question. Most frightening to me is that blind faith has been the biggest incumbency. Our future may just be a campfire. The only energy needed to recycle its components are unprocessed sunlight and water and they don't need manipulation by man. Man, of course, thinks he can do it better but really...can he? He hasn't yet and if Newton's got it right, he never will. Don't tell anyone though, it's a secret.

@andrabispeimle671 3 года назад

@@davidbrayshaw3529 This sounds like the 2nd law of thermodynamics, which was after Newton. This is half right, but the sun IS that additional energy input you are talking about. All energy, apart from geothermal, comes from the sun. Even fossil fuels gained their chemical energy from ancient biomass grown from the sun's energy. Both trees and solar panels concentrate the sun's energy. Trees use the energy to grow wood, and solar panels' energy can be used to 'grow' more solar panels and provide surplus energy. There is no "external energy", besides the sun's, required. Camp fires get their energy from the sun too, and they emit a lot of pollution, and are very inefficient, compared to other forms of renewable energy. The reason you hear this myth is probably due to the historical inefficiency of solar panels, the current dominance of fossil fuels, and that fossil fuels are often cheaper, not to mention propaganda from panicking fossil fuel lobbyists. The cheapest is not always the best, however, and it won't be the cheapest for long. You are looking for life cycle analysis to investigate this concept. There is lots of recent research in this field. From a technical point of view, you don't have to be pessimistic.

@PhantoxArts 3 года назад

American Battery Technology Company $ABML has a Green part patented and patent-pending No burning recycling plant in construction right now next to the Nevada Tesla factory.

@Ryebread0511 Год назад

EV vehicle resells are going to be awful. Being the avg. battery will last 120k miles. Now(2022 probably the cheapest prices we will ever see)12k-20k just replace the battery you haven't even bought the car yet. Another Big Issue that the Green Energy pushers did for us. Is lied about how easy it will be to recycle or reclaim OLD SOLAR PANELS... It's not easy & it cost money to recycle them. There's no payback. So guess what that really means... Stock piles of no good Solar Panels just piling up. Toxic Chemicals breaking down into the EARTH

@jonsullivan2342 3 года назад

500kg a day? So a single car's battery? Lol we're going to have to scale a lot faster than that.

@fabianfeilcke7220 3 года назад

500kg of battery scrap is muc more than one car battery. This is without the frame and casing. Only the active components. Also once you got the process dialed in, you can easyly scale if up by increasing batch size or setting up parallel plants

@jonsullivan2342 3 года назад

@@fabianfeilcke7220 They did not specify whether its output of pure active materials or input of total scrap. Regardless even if primarily valuable material is used as measured output 3 batteries per day is still pretty rough from a plant investment cost and throughput standpoint. If car manufactures stick to current production schedules there's a lot of scaling to be done. Or maybe they have inflated definition of pilot plant haha. Hopefully they mean "small lab" lol.

@airpeguiV2 3 года назад

@@jonsullivan2342 "pilot" literally means "demonstration". So yes, all of this has to be scaled heavily but for a pilot is really good

@jonsullivan2342 3 года назад

@@airpeguiV2 Yes I know what pilot means... Lol. The plant they showed initially was pretty large. As an engineer that both designs electric vehicles and also works in real estate I'm just saying they have their work cut out for them (understatement of the year lol). Idk if most people can really comprehend the scale at which we pump these vehicles out and the investment costs required to build factories. I routinely walk by lines that pump out a vehicle nearly every minute. If production scales as expected plus past waste we've got a long way to come.

@gigabyte2248 3 года назад

@@jonsullivan2342 How many EVs do you reckon get scrapped per day? How many do you reckon have salvageable batteries, that can go on to a second life as a stationary battery or, say, a newer Nissan Leaf battery that can go into an older Leaf (a 'donor' battery, if you will, check out Cleevely EV here in the UK). How many battery packs do you reckon *actually* get dismantled, scrapped and recycled? Some, definitely, but the main demand is going to be in the future, as more EVs get to the end of their life and as more stationary batteries get to the end of their life. Also: I do agree with airpeguiV2, it's a bit rich to be criticising a demonstrator plant for being too small to cope with mass battery recycling. The technology is still in its adolescence, and these plants are a vital stepping-stone to get us to the large-scale facilities we're going to be needing in a few years. Ramping up a new technology is absurdly difficult (ref: I work on silicon carbide power electronics, alongside Clas-SiC Wafer Fab, MaxPower Semiconductor, McLaren, Microchip and others) and these demonstrator plants are still impressive.

@pawelvideo 3 года назад

We are simply replacing one problem (CO2) with another. We won’t know the true “cost” or impact of switching to electrification till the majority of developed world dose it. As always in the past, during any industrial revolution, I’m afraid, that $ profits will speak louder then conscious. Many poor countries will bear the price of life lost due to contaminated water sources and air, caused by mining and recycling. We’ll destroy ocean floor and perhaps go to war for control of new resources of minerals - moon. However, the last 2 are out of sight; therefore, out of mind.

@olcay322 3 года назад

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@strato172 2 года назад

That's nice, but where's the electricity for these recycling plants coming from? I'm fairly certain that solar/wind isn't enough to power the electric grid, EV demand, AND these recycling plants without serious investment in nuclear.

@sun1234567890 3 года назад

You didn't answer my question of how do we get our old Lipo batteries to these people? It would be best to have the recycling company provide safe shipping boxes for us to collect old rechargeable batteries and send them to the recyclers facility.

@UndecidedMF 3 года назад

It's a good question, but out of scope for the focus of this video (I was focused on EVs). For all of us (the end users), getting batteries recycled is still WAY to hard. Hopefully with these companies spinning up, we'll see options open up.

@edmundas919 3 года назад

In my country all consumer electronics shops accept waste electronics and batteries, most shopping centers have boxes for disposing small electronics/light bulbs/batteries. Bigger cities have collection sites for larger electronics/appliances. Even my apartment building at the entrance has small metal box for battery disposal. Basically recycling companies has partnership with other businesses to use shops as a collection spots.

@JNow4Now 3 года назад

@@edmundas919 the US has a long ways to go in implementing the recycling process. Our disposal companies refer us to the e-waste recyclers. There are some electronics stores and others who accept some of the waste.

@Knowledge_Nuggies 2 года назад

Sometimes giving 1-2 sentences as context helps before jumping into the details.. You spent 50% of the videos talking about cathodes: Why? Batteries are way more than that?

@casablancasj2570 3 года назад

Please talk about ABML, they have the largest market cap out of all these companies, and in my opinion the most revolutionary technology. CTO was the head of R&D at Tesla.

@dwreus81 2 года назад

100% recovery? That sounds like bs. Must look into the usability and performance of batteries made with recycled materials. Needs further investigation. Anyone making money out of anything will make it seem like the best thing since sliced bread.

@ACoustaDC 3 года назад

Matt, could you do a video on what has the best environmental impact per dollar. Like, should you spend 60k on a car or 400 bucks on a battery lawn mower?

@MrBizteck 3 года назад

I imagine it would be very complicated but boy would it be useful.

@jaakkopontinen 3 года назад

That is an interesting idea!

@OpenBiolabsGuy 3 года назад

I was about to buy a used electric hybrid, then I learned that the battery only lasts for 7-10 years and then it can't be recharged again. PLUS the cost of the battery pack was at least a quarter of the cost of the car ($5,500). In order for that to be more economically viable for me, the battery either has to last twice as long, or the cost of the pack has to come down dramatically, or both. I can't afford to do that unless I get way richer. That's the big problem of electric: it's only a mode of travel for those who are well off financially. Unless it becomes cheap enough for lower middle class and upper lower class people, fossil fuels will always be the big energy giant on the block and gasoline cars will be the dominant mode of transportation. I'm not just talking about the cost of buying the car, I'm also talking about the cost of repairing and replacing parts.

@jamespaul2587 3 года назад

Great video Matt, I'm always impressed with the amount of research you do, and how you tie everything together so effectively. Have you heard much about recycling efforts overseas, with China being such a large and rapidly growing EV market? It will be interesting to see if some of the large battery factories planned will have integrated recycling facilities, that would be an efficient way to handle production, and another way for Tesla and others to vertically integrate.

@wakaneut Год назад

Then you should check China EV waste then. For the country who made up their GDP year by year (and my other lies), I would need an independent checker if they say they would recycle their waste properly. Where they produced countless EVs just for "green numbers" then just dump them.

@BiggestG400 Год назад

Total click bait, "Battery recycling explained" that spends most of the time discusses re-using fabrication waste, not actual recycling. Actual recyling of old batteries barely discussed with no focus on % material recovery.

@fantasticomanga 3 года назад

That was a nice inside look to the recycling factory. Thanks for letting us know the ongoing research on an upcoming field!

@UndecidedMF 3 года назад

You bet!

@coorbin 3 года назад

Demand is too high, so of course mining has to continue apace. Let's hope we can find a battery chemistry that involves more abundant materials.

@caj3 3 года назад

Wow, this is a great vid, thanks Matt! the future looks bright for battery recycling companies like American Manganese!

@chadgdry3938 3 года назад

as the cells in Tesla cars and other Ev's too start to reach their end of useful functioning, a replacement will be an option. So that e-waste will be ramping up as these car batteries become available for recycling. In 10 - 15 years, that equilibrium between mined resources and recovered resources will hit a tipping point where recycling will be less costly to aggregate the material and they can then sell that to Tesla, Panasonic, and the other battery manufacturers. For tesla to go 100% recycled material is an Elon Musk dream.

@drzarkov39 3 года назад

What do you do with good, practically new batteries that can't be used anymore because the tools they power no longer work? I'd hate to recycle perfectly good batteries.

@ArthursHD 3 года назад

Could sell it to someone who has a working tool.

@tonyb3629 3 года назад

So let's be clear here - the push towards EV's is going to potentially generate more problems than it solves. Where is the energy going to come from the charge all these vehicles? The mining required for raw elements will decimate landscapes and cause huge environmental issues and the recycling problems mentioned in this video are real and going to become a huge problem. Still though, all that's talked about is reducing the carbon footprint, and nothing about any of this. EV's are not the answer, and stand a good chance of just moving the problems elsewhere.

@dyj321 3 года назад

So excited to watch! Been waiting on this one! Keep it up, Matt!

@UndecidedMF 3 года назад

Thanks! Will do!

@SkepticalCaveman 2 года назад

In the future recycling will replace mining completely, because it will be cheaper. Lead acid batteries are already recycled, same will happen with lithium batteries, making mining unecessary. Batteries will get larger energy density so less batteries will be needed for the same amount of storage. Sea water will be sufficient for getting more minerals for new batteries when recyclying approaches 99%, and could be used in combination with desalination.

@DanTaninecz 3 года назад

Love the interview driven content.

@paulcasey5204 3 года назад

I live not too far from one of the biggest lithium mines in the world in Australia. Sadly, the people involved here can't even manage to reinvigorate just the 90 kilometers of old railway line needed to get the ore to a concentration plant thereby taking umpteem trucks off the road. Sad to hear such big thinking in the USA matched by such small thinking here in Oz.

@jerrywojcik130 3 года назад

Matt, great video. This should be required showing in class rooms. Good job with finding Zarko. I have been a licensed engineer for over 40 years and I have no doubt Zarko knows his stuff. Amazing that American Manganese is able to achieve 100% recovery. You can go on forever.

@rhondadyane1777 3 года назад

This video made me very sad ... if we are mining the main ingredients for these batteries here in Australia ... why are we not manufacturing the finished battery product ... and why are we not building re-cycling facilitates right next to the manufacturing plant so that it can source materials from both recycle and mining ... all here ... the profit would be here ... the batteries would be here for our EV industry (if we had the sense to have one) and for the storage of renewable energy so there would always be base load available ... Australia is falling so far behind with the mining profits falling into the pockets of the few and the manufacture and recycle jobs going overseas ... our government is a failure!!

@waynewilliamson4212 3 года назад

funny, but I've been trying to figure out what to do with around 30 18650 lion cells. They are the "bad" cells from taking apart laptop batteries. I finally found battery plus blubs would accept them. what happens to them from there, I have no idea.

@HeritageWealthPlanning 3 года назад

certainly a landfill

@Brian-om2hh 3 года назад

@@HeritageWealthPlanning Not in the UK or Europe. Placing battery waste in landfill is illegal in both the UK and EU......they get recycled.

@HeritageWealthPlanning 3 года назад

@@Brian-om2hh uh huh

@madmotorcyclist 3 года назад

I have a 10 year old Nissan Leaf. Since I only do short trips, it is all I need (and it was cheap with all the subsidies back in 2011). I have never fast charged it or left it sitting at 100% charge for more than a few hours. It has been garaged and as a result my range loss has been about 20% and the battery still can fully charge to all bars. Batteries will last if you take care of them.

@davidbrewer7937 3 года назад

They stick them in a landfill because they are not made in such a way that they can be easily recycled. Also... when exposed to the atmosphere, the guts of these batteries can explode or catch fire.

@Brian-om2hh 3 года назад

No, you're thinking of lithium polymer batteries. Electric cars are powered by lithium ion batteries. Different chemistry... And they can be recycled fairly easily. VW are recycling them already. It seems you haven't done enough research.....

@jameswoodard6235 3 года назад

Omitting specifics regarding the grade of the recycled materials, the cost and energy expended to recycle the materials, and whether the profiled recycler receives any subsidies, grants, or financial aid in the effort to recycle seem to be glaring and suspicious omissions. As someone in the recycling business, I am keenly aware that a large number of products people would like to recycle require more energy and expense then producing a new product. I don’t see how you can leave these details out if your intention is to produce an honest and objective assessment. The answer isn’t what you want it’s what the facts are.

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@MultipliedByZero 3 года назад

The biggest problem is where the electricity comes from, and the immense electricity-grid upgrades that's needed to support 100M electric cars over the handful we currently have.

$@iffracem$

@iffracem 3 года назад

How much energy does it take to recover the various components? What by-products are there from the recycling process? The chemicals used must come from somewhere, mined, processed etc.. what cost to they environment does this have? Sure recycling, repurposing and re-using is great, and much more preferable to the current "throw away" society, but recycling isn't totally innocent in terms of "carbon footprint". Until we have clean power production on a global basis, even if to charge the EV's and gadgets in the first place, and then to power this recycling process, we will continue to kill the planet. The key in my mind is to stop consuming in an ever increasing rate scale. The idea of endless growth in this finite world is ludicrous. And yes, I know that means we need a drastic re-think in "economics" and a drastic reversal of population growth.

@Tore_Lund 3 года назад

If There is a recycling system in place, Used Li-ion batteries will have a base Worth, which most likely is lower than what is currently asked at the scrappers now, so IT Will be cheaper too for sensible recycling individuals wanting to keep their aging EV on the Road.

@Altcapball 3 года назад

The ultimate conclusion of environmentalism is suicide.

@Tore_Lund 3 года назад

@@rogerstarkey5390 Not to argue, but are you sure the 5kWh Per barrel is electricity? I Think IT refeers to the extra heat input required to distill one barrel of crudeoil, as most of the energy is recouped in the refraction pile and Used to preheat incoming oil?

$@iffracem$

@iffracem 3 года назад

@@rogerstarkey5390 I never advocated this, in fact I state that recycling/re-using/re-purposing is the way to go, and certainly do not advocate the continued use of hydrocarbons as fuel. What I do say is that there is more than just one facet to the issue. If the cost to the environment of recycling (and then recharging all batteries) involves using electricity produced by "dirty" power generation (in Australia, electricity production is far and away the biggest producer of greenhouse gasses) we need to look deeper. No where does this video show the cost to the environment of the process of recycling, so a proper comparison can be made Using hydrocarbons as a fuel is just one reason it's mined All plastics, paints, lubricants use it. We are the problem, our consumption is the problem. We need to consume less, regardless of whether it is newly produced, or recycled.

$@iffracem$

@iffracem 3 года назад

@@Tore_Lund Cheaper in money sure... but is the entire process, including power generation to recharge these batteries better for the environment? And so we make it more economically viable to switch to EV's, so that means more need to be built and the cost to the environment of building a new car of any sort is huge, we just perpetuate the problem, requiring more minerals to be mined and processed just to build the vehicles. Can everyone afford to replace their vehicles? I'm on a forced early retirement and live on a disability pension, there's no way I can afford even a second hand EV, especially when the batteries will need to be replaced, recycled or not. Sure we can recycle some materials from the now obsolete ICE vehicles, but that costs energy and power. Aluminium (Aluminum) is very resource intensive to recycle, Recycling current waste cells will not cover all the new cells needed for new EV's , phones etc. We (humans) are so selfish we only think something is of value in dollar terms.

@brianp6859 3 года назад

I think it will be many years until battery recycling replaced mining but it could happen once enough material gets into circulation if these recycling numbers are accurate. As the world moves to EVs though the demand for these materials will only increase exponentially barring a huge shift in battery technology and as such mining will continue to be absolutely necessary for a long time to come

@mayeetra7430 3 года назад

Thanks for the video dude.

@UndecidedMF 3 года назад

You bet

@rrphotography3600 3 года назад

The amount of lithium required to put towns, cities and nations onto renewable energy would be huge, those charts scare me a little bit. Are they from the expected yearly consumed or are they a total used till that point. I personally hope for the large scale batteries the market goes in the direction of other battery types. Where materials used are more common or using other forms of energy storage. Ideally lithium based batteries should be kept for portable systems, due to their comparative weight to energy density. But i guess the market will go where it goes unless taxed otherwise.

@t_c5266 3 года назад

The real question is: the impact of strip mining versus oil extraction.

@PushpakElleedu 3 года назад

If cyclical recycling is perfected minerals once mined can be used continuously for 100 of years, even without recycling average batteries last 20 yrs verses oil which can never be recovered once burnt and new batch needs to be extracted every time. No brainer really which to choose.

@wamnicho 3 года назад

May be we should go back to the steam engine

@richgilb 2 года назад

I think the big reason recycling isn’t growing to match the foreseen demand is that these estimates cannot take into account the potential for breakthroughs in battery or capacitor technology in the future. I can’t see investing big money into lithium and cobalt recovery if there’s the potential of a company announcing tomorrow that they’ve developed a revolutionary new product that doesn’t use any of those materials.

@cordellej 3 года назад

so every 5 to 10 years when my battery crashes ill hope the battery and the car would be recycled . or i can just use my gas car for 20 years and know for a fact it is recyclable

@KaushikNSanji 3 года назад

Is Lithium Mining following safer protocols that are kind enough to nature now or not yet? Heard and read in many articles that the practices are not checked that well and it in itself is causing pollution and drought around a 100mile radius of the mining area.

@Tron-Jockey 3 года назад

Need to include along with this topic the topic of how incredibly long properly maintained Li-ion batteries can last especially with a the right BMS algorithm.

@TheKitMurkit 3 года назад

Yes, but how to properly maintain them? Why phone battery dies in a few years?

@inderchandjain3303 3 года назад

@@TheKitMurkit the smaller the battery, the quicker it degrades. A phone with a 2600maH battery will have less battery health ghan a phone with 4500maH

@jiancao1523 Год назад

I believe the process is not totally recycled to make batteries but recycled to certain degree that the metals are able to added to alloys to be used in building and manufacturing which will absorb the wasted battery at early stage until we find the best structures or processes. Compromise first then perfection

@SantaBarbaraAlberto 3 года назад

Battery recycling sound like an excellent business opportunity except you didn't cover the cost model of new versus recycled. Most important yet, even if you can produce the battery capacities cited, how in the world are you going to charge them and keep them charge. It all goes back to the energy storage ( battery) and energy generation (grid) and please.....do not day renewables because so far they have proven to be unreliable and not cost effective. Where is the cost model to this? Simple. No recycle is not going to replace mining 100% versus 80%. It just will meet demand. Like the company and business model.

@brendonnoble5227 3 года назад

I think that by 2030 we will have bigger supply problems for battery components than petroleum.

@RM-rh3mz 3 года назад

Did you guys completely miss ABML? How?

@zacharyharr1513 3 года назад

Have They actually produced anything yet? Do they have patents?

@Top12Boardsport 3 года назад

That is way far down the line. Batteries will have a second life first as battery banks like powerwalls.

@Top12Boardsport 3 года назад

@@rogerstarkey5390 production will progress so fewer fails will give less batteries to recycle from production. But off course at one point in time there will be a need for large scale recycling of batteries.

@wfemp_4730 3 года назад

Sadly, I ditched my lithium ion tool and returned to a gas-powered version. The battery lifespan isn't just there yet. They are too expensive to replace.

@A3Kr0n 3 года назад

Your best bet with electric tools is LiFePO batteries. They recharge better. Also, quality is super important.

@ronaldtice9224 3 года назад

lol, what tool? nothing could possibly replace my arsenal of battery tools. just buy the batteries off brand, they are a 1/4 of the price

@wfemp_4730 3 года назад

@@ronaldtice9224 The tool is irrelevant, as my comment was about the power source.

@jamesmurphy9426 Год назад

A bigger question We don't have enough lithium batteries to power thousands of millions of cars Fossil Fuels are going nowhere

@79Gravity 3 года назад

if history is a teacher then we will drop em in the ocean..

@andyjohnson3790 2 года назад

Li-Cycles hub and spoke business plan should rule the battery recycling world but who really cares who does at the end because every single tiny tiny battery ever made should be recycled.

@andik2329 3 года назад

I would like to see a video about the true CO2 emissions caused by electric vehicle compared to ice compared to mild hybrid ice including production and recycling of all the components including oil and battery production.

@benkitesurfs 3 года назад

Engineering explained did a great video about that: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6RhtiPefVzM.html

@RCSVirginia 3 года назад

Recycling may not replace mining, but it will certainly be an important component of providing lithium for batteries in the future.

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@duncanapiyo6412 Год назад

Send me the used batteries in Kenya 🇰🇪 I can use them for something. Even street lighting.

@user-ix3yh8yt7r Год назад

I dislike evs. They are totally and incompletely illogical. Ice cars are best.

@johnthreefifteen 3 года назад

What recycling process has ever eliminated the original source?

@pipertripp 3 года назад

I wonder if we can get lithium to where lead is right now with respect to recycled vs mined input.

@LordxJoe 3 года назад

It really sucks that most of the material is in China. That's gonna be a huge liability.

@vor_ben 3 года назад

I really hope that at least some of those battery recycling companies will survive and will become profitable, because in my opinion it is very important to have a robust recycling infrastructure put in place.

@UndecidedMF 3 года назад

I hope so too ... and I'm pretty sure a bunch will survive and be very profitable.

@EmilioBaldi 3 года назад

They are called rare earth materials for something

@johnc3617 Год назад

He says that skeptics claim there's no way to recycle li ion batteries. Then he says that's not true. He "supports" his claim by saying there are many companies WORKING ON THE PROBLEM. So he's not telling the truth. By his own admission. They are working on solving the problem BUT the fact remains that recycling these batteries is not possible - at least not without creating tons more pollution for the little amount of recyclable material extracted.

@malland2029 Год назад

Agreed. Where is the cradle to grave analysis of the solution, i.e. Total energy used from mining, to production of the product, manufacturing of the batteries, recharging the batteries (this includes the infrastructure required to facilitate the charging process) over the period of the batteries lifetime and the recycling process for a full scale plant, and this must be compared to a cradle to grave analysis for the current alternative energy sources. And, other than mentioning it, the pyrometallurgy process is not covered (must use more energy?).

@jameshughes3014 3 года назад

I am really glad to see so many people working on sustainability, with concern for pollution along the way. Hearing that they will reuse all of their chemicals though, makes me suspicious. No process is 100%. what will they end up having to throw away, in what quantities when scaled up.. how does that compare to the pollution from mining? those are the kinds of things I'm curious about.

@micpic119 3 года назад

Don’t worry, those African kids are mining cobalt as fast as they can for your electric cars.

@Simon-dm8zv 3 года назад

It's quite rare. What do you propose instead?

@anxiousearth680 2 года назад

LFP batteries don't use cobalt and are just entering the market.

@richard77231 3 года назад

This is where I think using non lithium-ion battery strategies for grid scale storage come into play, to reduce the demand for LI in areas where the advantages don't come into play as much.

@Knights_of_Zurg 3 года назад

It just makes sense to recycle and recover as much as possible. Minimizing waste and the potential ground contamination, while simultaneously minimizing the ecological impact of mining is definitely a win/win. I'm glad I found this channel. I just mashed that subscribe button. Now, I'm going to spend the rest of my day going through past videos, lol.

@jamesbuchanan3439 3 года назад

I think that recycling is EV’s SECOND biggest challenge. MAKING 100 billion+ batteries cost effectively in the near term is the biggest.

@mohdrashid7689 3 года назад

Not a big challenge you can easily recycle on a large scale Contact E-mail arkrashid20@gmail.com

@thomasna5158 3 года назад

This video didn't really address the problem of EoL recycling, did it? Also I was missing some numbers that would have really been interesting. What percentage of the materials in the feedstock do they actually recover? At what cost do they think they will be able to do this? How does this compare to current mining costs?

@RecycledEVContent 3 года назад

EoL isn’t the immediate supply for these cathode materials when production scrap is 10-30% The cost of re-agents is around $1/kg and the product out the end of the process is a total (average of all materials) of $15/kg at market price. So a revenue of $14/kg not including electricity costs. Their process is mainly pumps and mixers so not an extremely high electrical demand.

@samyg123 3 года назад

Recycling needs to outpace mining to approach a closed system and be sustainable. But increased demand will make a true closed system challenging. Would love to see you do a video about CO2 footprint of making and owning an EV vs an ICE.

@ProfSimonHolland 3 года назад

the energy transition needs more mining....but we need cleaner more efficient mining.

@alancapes5644 3 года назад

One of the absolute BEST channels, great work. On this video I was surprised you didn't talk about battery longevity and reuse, a key to understanding battery life cycles. Most people think an EV battery will be dead in 5-10 years of use, not understanding how long they can be useful in a car and then repurposed for mass storage, before recycling.

@DannyHuanDao 3 года назад

As Elon once said, the problem is not breakthroughs in a lab somewhere! Those are like a dime a dozen every year. The problem is scaling up to mass production, and that's extremely hard.

@jaakkopontinen 3 года назад

That American Manganese stuff seemed great. Laid back CTO presenting doesn't hurt at all either x) Good for them. Hope they do well.

@THEPHANTOMHAWKE 3 года назад

you should invest in them. still extremely cheap.

@jaakkopontinen 3 года назад

@@THEPHANTOMHAWKE perhaps I will! Some companies are gonna take a big slice of this cake, that's for sure. Thanks for the encouragement :) I'll think about it.

@THEPHANTOMHAWKE 3 года назад

@@jaakkopontinen on the american exchanges it is listed as $AMYZF. of course do your own research, but this video is of course a great place to start :)

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Aye, looked at options yesterday. 👍

@steveclemens8488 3 года назад

EV's "Biggest Problem" is....there are not enough of them on the road......Period...Full Stop.

@Simon-dm8zv 3 года назад

Exactly sir.

@questionmark4348 3 года назад

It has been my understanding that, Yes, the lithium batteries have always been recyclable but at a higher cost than just mining new metals. You didn't address this in your video, do you know if that is still the case? For example Lead acid batteries are easily recycled at existing smelters thus they actually have value. Lithium batteries have no value if it costs more than the metals are worth to recover.

@terrexiand 2 года назад

Yes, that is exactly the reason why almost all electric vehicles coming off the production line now are made with newly mined materials. The video gave the impression at the start that recycling of Lithium ion batteries is widespread for EVs, but it isn't. How long this will take to scale up and produce cheaper Lithium and other rare metals than mining is unknown. In the meantime, the ramping up of demand for EVs is going to continue to drive increasing environmental damage as we turn to stripping the earth for metals. It's a shame that in the rush for BEVs other intermediate solutions are getting overlooked such as electric cars with much smaller batteries that can handle most city driving and with small, extremely efficient range extenders for longer trips. Battery tech just isn't quite there yet in terms of cost, recycling, energy density etc.

@jonalimedhi4925 3 года назад

this channel is based on EV and Tesla Advertisement.

@hfe1833 3 года назад

No problem for recycling, power tools is one of the customer the last to be used I knew it's is mixed to asphalt for used in road construction

@jamesmurphy9426 Год назад

Let's be honest all companies say they don't pollut

@eneskayacan4583 3 года назад

What you didn't mention was that you need electrolysis process to gain the metals during hydrometallurgy process, which consumes a lot of electricity which comes from coal power plants.

@jimmurphy6095 3 года назад

If they're electroplating out the materials, yes. But if they are just using hydroxide precipitation, then no. Very little electricity, other than that used to run the compressor for air pumps, is used. But the chemicals used, sodium hydroxide and various acids, are not cheaply made and do use resources in their manufacture processes. I've set up industrial scale hydroxide precipitation systems in plating shops to recover silver, nickel/copper , tin, and zinc. All work very well if designed and operated properly.

@eneskayacan4583 3 года назад

@@jimmurphy6095 Is the purity of Li gained by hydroxisw precipitation enough? I believe they also need to purify it with electrolysis.

@jimmurphy6095 3 года назад

@@eneskayacan4583 He was showing the Ni/Cu hydroxide but I suspect it's a bit of both.

@Brian-om2hh 3 года назад

Electricity usually only comes from coal fired power plants in less developed nations these days. The UK for example, gets just 4% of it's energy from burning coal...... You would be thinking of places like Poland and Croatia....