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@@scottmolnar4132 Of course not. However, consumers don't have to allow them to make money from her name. If the consumer does not purchase anything from the Hayley Paige brand then it will affect them in the purse. That is all they care about. Profit is the key motive of JLM. I hope and pray that a decision is made by the court that are in Hayley's favor. However, It can go on for years.
@@marymarks7046 the court is never going to rule in her favor because the facts are against her. The company owns the brand, designs and social media accounts that were used for business purposes. I also bet most people don't care and will find gowns they like and not notice that she left the company
@@scottmolnar4132 The social media accounts were created AFTER they made the deal. If they're not specifically identified in the contract, no, they do NOT own the social media accounts. She's said that several times.
@@suzannadannaTARDIS the fact they were made after the agreement actually strengthens JLM's ownership claim to the accounts as they are a product of the agreement. She would have a stronger claim if they existed but left out of the agreement.
A petition to Boycott JLM might wake them up a little - what do say fans? Too many companies have taken advantage of the creative for way too long! Stop The Creative Blocks!!!
Hey Haley, I just happened to see your video and you remind me of The beautiful singer JoJo. She hasn’t been allowed to use her name and her record company didn’t put her music out.. literally couldn’t legally sing her songs for 10 years I believe. But she got out, she didn’t give up!! I am proud of you!! Stay strong....
I came to comment the same thing. Jojo has a interview out somewhere about her fight to get her name back. This is actually really common in the industry and it’s so sad it’s not talked about more!
Hayley Paige this is unfortunate. It happened to a Canadian chocolatier who has lost the use of his birth name in business. Please continue to stand up for your right to your own name.
I haven’t seen or heard of you before but this came up on my recommended feed and I’m horrified to hear about how these monsters are treating you! Stay strong, keep fighting the good fight and you’ll come out on top whatever the outcome, nobody can steal your creativity and beautiful soul, ever.
Listen to some episode of "say yes to the dress" If she can go to the bridal store , she go and surprise the bride. I've seen her draw in 5 minutes and entire bridal jumpsuit for a bride that liked a dress but not the fact it was a dress. She's amazing in her work :)
I mean it sucks, but she sold the rights to her name. Glad she is exercising her legal rights to try and gain back the rights. But, thats what happens when you sell your name.
I'm so angry about this as a mother. Your mommy and daddy gave you that name as part of your personal identity and no one should be able to tell you you can't engage in life in your personal dealings. Such a hard and demoralising fight. Don't give up the love you have for your work, the joy you bring to brides and the light you carry into the world.
Hayley so eloquently summed up the situation. As a human being, a social media user and a consumer who aspires to someday wear a creation of yours I wholeheartedly stand behind you. This is unjust... I pray “good” wins this fight! (which was so unnecessary if JLM had any shred of decency they could have handled it differently!)
A young girl once stood on the America xfactor with a song “I don’t know my name”. Grace Vanderbilt.Harry Mandela said “from today the world will know your name”. “Hayley Page” WE KNOW YOUR NAME, WE WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOUR DESIGNS. YOU WILL WIN
Already married and in no need of you dresses. That being said you are a wonderful designer and what I loved most was you are a real person with a great personality. All that glitters is a great name and I hope you design again.
Chris Pole (Catman Chris and Cole And Marmalade) had the same problem this autumn. I don't know how they resolved it but he's back on RU-vid again. Talk to him...
Can't believe you even have you ask for these things back. Their behavior is disgusting and infuriating! JLM have shown what they are really about GREED!
People will buy your dresses under any name. I understand why you want to use your own name but if the contract doesn't allow it don't let it stop you from designing.
Yes but she cannot use her own name in Facebook and Instagram? Her name ffs! It is indefensible! As a designer I understand that she may not use her own name to exploit it but they do not own her. Her name is her name.
It's been that way for many designers before her. No one forced her to sign the contract. She had time to have her lawyers review it before signing etc.
@@gothicyid "its been that way for many designers before her" is really terrible justification. Yes, its happened before and will likely happen again unless people fight it.
@@gothicyid slavery was like that for a awhile also... being hanged with just an accusation, it used to be like that also, doesn’t mean that it’s right. But we know where you stand... maybe you are guilty of doing stuff like that also.🤔
@@scottmolnar4132 Just a question from someone who doesn’t know anything about these people or this situation... or business :-). Why would someone knowingly sell their brand (and thus their own name as the brandname) if they want to keep using said name as a brand? Should Hayley have refrained from selling, or rebranded her business beforehand? I don’t even know if that is possible.. I also have no idea what kind of situation she was in, but I am guessing Hayley wanted to sell, got paid, and now wants to restart on her own? Why did she sell?
Prince had the same kind of problem with his record label. That’s why he changed his name to that symbol. It’s disgusting that something like this can happen. Your designs have a following. No matter what JLM decides, you’re the one with the talent.
This is an unbelievable situation. I cannot imagine the stress you are under, and am at a loss to understand what JLM hope to accomplish by this bullying. Stay strong precious girl, I believe in you and your God given talent.
What a wonderful video - Very diplomatic and empathetic. My heart goes out to all that fall prey to the system. I do believe that if we unite and stick together we can overturn the inequality.
I remember when this happened to Pierre Cardin, and his name was used on all sort of cheap and silly things. There should be a law, that no company should have the right to have control of anyone's name, a name is something, as you mentioned, given at birth by your parents and no matter what no one should have indefinitely control of it
I didn’t realise that. I remember that I couldn’t understand why such a brilliant designer produced such tat. Another sad story of businesses conning the public.
@@lorifiedler13 She can't even use a variation of her name from what I understand. So she can do all that Glitters but can't put her actual name or a variation of it.
I know that all this drama and garbage that has come your way is pushing through the universe to make way for an incredible breakthrough and abundance. You are the designer girl, you know your worth. You're amazing and strong, don't give up the good fight.
This is a real shame, I'm recently engaged and always imagined wearing one of your dresses. I could never support buying a dress now with what JLM has done. I'm so sorry this has happened to you!
I'm not sure I'm the only one but when she said "a graceful end" I felt that? Like my ears perked up and caught my attention! Could be a great rebrand? Like a baby pink tag with gold cursive writing coming out of a Cinderella-esq carriage!? Could be a homage to this story and the "graceful end" of being "not married"
I support you 100%, Haley! You are one of the most creative bridal designers out there and you shouldn’t have to give up your creativity, social media or, especially, your name for someone else to control and besmirch. JLM needs to stop this and come to the table willing to talk like adults. If they aren’t willing to do that, then you need to hire the best team of litigation attorneys out there and show them what it means to fight for what you believe in. I would be happy to contribute to a GoFundMe in your name to help pay your legal bills!
I posted on your other video from two weeks ago. Consider designing clothes for dogs and cats, as well as wedding dresses. Many pet lovers spend a lot of money per year on their pets. You could use your dogs name or add part of yours to it. A new creative path could be a great start for you. Financially, it's not a bad idea, if you love pets. Everyone loves animals ❤
I stand with you. I’ve seen the kind and wonderful things you do for brides. Popping into Kleinfeld’s to say Hi. You designs are beautiful, and you’re a good human being. I wish you every good thing.
In my opinion, how about if HP requested that her Insta be deleted? So that JLM won't have any leverage against her? So that she can make new and UNDER her name. Is that allowed?
The name "Hayley Paige" is trademarked by JLM so they own the name. They do not own the instagram itself if she started it off as a personal account and did not hand over any rights to it. However, If she were to start her own bridal line under her name/instagram then they will have the liberties to be able to have her account removed/handle handed over. If she moves forward to only use it as a personal account and to not use it to sell similar merchandise or to make a profit, they most likely will not be able to do so. It will also come down to court ruling.
I'm sorry you are going through this. I LOVE your work and there are so many others that do as well. I understand this is a difficult and uphill battle but I hope you are able to find a way. Good luck
You look so much better today!😊🙌💝🌈🌺. I saw the video of you and fiance' (by now hubby?) when he proposed. You are a match made in heaven! Best wishes to you both in ALL your endeavors! ☝💝
was watching a clip of *say yes to the dress* and going thru the comments and saw someone comment about the lawsuit and im so thankful because i got to hear your story and help speak out for you
Right behind you all the way, darling girl. You can't use your own name? Ludicrous! I am so sorry you're going through this. Lots of love & strength from another creative field - hairdressing! 💕
its so crazy i was literally searching for one of your dresses the other day you inspire me so much as a 17 year old aspiring designer and i see so much of myself in you! Im so sorry for whats happened but your resilience is actually outstanding, sending you love from London, i hope one day I'll be a designer and be able meet you in person x
Wow. I have unsubscribed to any show that has jlm attachments. I live in Australia and have decided to stand with you on this. Having been bullied to within seconds of taking my life many years ago I can not and will not encourage any bully in any field at anytime. You, young woman stand your ground. For all those who have been done over. Groove on, stand strong. God bless you. In Jesus name, AMEN.
@@scottmolnar4132 the fact that they have taken her right to use her birth name. The fact that everything she has done for them she can not cliam as her own. The mere fact that they have taken from her and claim her work as their property is a sign of a bully. You mention intellectual property, did jlm design any of her dresses etc. No, they used her for gain . More than ought to be allowed. It is jlm who are in the wrong. They like all other companies in every aspect of life who take the artists own and call it theirs when in fact it is not within their capiabilies to come up constantly with new ideas. Sadly there are many out there in the same sad boat. Social media and creative works does not belong to any but those who have the talent. Yup bullies. Not buying or watching or even going to consider anything jlm has in their books. Everything is documented and publically available. Takes some time to resereach as to where one can get things from other places but it is worth it cause my small move sits well with my mind set. Will not, refuse to support anything or anyone supporting bullies.
@@marcywolters6402 they didn't take anything. She SOLD her brand aka name and designs. That means she was PAID for everything. It is no different than if you write code for Microsoft - the company owns the software even if you later quit. If you think you deserve more than the money they paid, you can quit and start a new company - just don't call it Microsoft and sell the same software you designed previously. Her name is still hers to sign checks, birthday cards, etc. The only thing she cannot do is sell it again as a brand as another company ALREADY exists and is owned by JLM. Stopping her from attempting to steal is not bullying and no one is stopping her from designing. She just needs to do the hard work of creating a new brand and new designs, rather than ripping off another company. But yes, everything is documented. Which is why she has no case and the more she keeps tarnishing JLM the more she opens herself up to a lawsuit where she would lose everything else. That will be fun to watch. Maybe you can bring the popcorn.
Ms Hailey Paige - from the distance of any involvements in creative and business parts that sounds absurd and out of common sense. I love to see your creations and your connections to the brides. Why anyone wants to bully that? Whatever JLM is their idea to participate as non-creatives business people in a beautiful world of creation appears to be outdated. However, nobody should be stripped off his/her own name to use or social media accounts on his/ her name. That is so that unbelievable that one really need to see that in writing to believe it. I wonder how Social Media companies react to that? Doesn't it contra-actions their very first idea? Courage to you and hope to see you soon as designer again.
I'm not a lawyer, so the long winded comment I post is merely my interpretation of the law that isn't in legalese. It's based on my experience and observations regarding other contract issues I am somewhat familiar with. ------------------------- My situation: I had an employment contract with a previous employer that included a broadly worded non-compete clause that they wanted me to sign before I could start working for them. It stated I could not work for ANY competitor for FIVE years after leaving them. I worked for an academic service provider, but I have performed my role in academia, the business sector, and now, for the government. There are many avenues one can explore in my career, but my ultimate goal is a professorship. The way this NC was worded, it appeared that they could block me from being employed by a university, in any role (our clients were universities, and they potentially could claim any university as a completitor). I balked. Fortunately, a friend is a lawyer and I sent her a copy of it, while contacting my recruiter to express my concerns that I plan to seek teaching roles, but the broadly statement implies that I cannot take any role with a university, as you could argue they are competitors. She got back to me the next day to share an email from their legal counsel that defined exactly what the NC covered. Quickly sent off a thank you, while pointing out that the contract needed to be specific. My friend pointed out what I think will prevail here , that your contract contains an extremely broad statement that is unenforceable. Social media when you signed the contract was not even a fraction of what it is today, so even if you *had* your lawyer review it, they might have asked for specification of 'use of any iteration of name', 'use of images', 'etc. and not even revised it to include Facebook or Twitter. They state that they have the right to use and license your name - they do not OWN your name. --------------------- Two things to consider that may help clarify, both from the music industry: 1. Frank Zappa's estate owns all rights to the name Frank Zappa. They (mother and two younger siblings) sued Dweezil Zappa for performing music on a tour named "Zappa Plays Zappa." They wanted an injunction blocking him from using the name Dweezil Zappa in their suit. They won the first part, Dweezil cannot use "Zappa Plays Zappa" or "Playing the Music of Frank Zappa". HOWEVER, the judge ruled that you cannot claim ownership of an individual's name. As such, he can use his own name - but IIRC, there was a period of time where an injunction was in effect and he could not use his own name. --------------------- 2. A guitar builder set up shop as Dean Guitars, his first name, making some unique guitars 40 years ago. He later sold the company to a business partner, including all rights to the name Dean Guitars. Several years later, he missed the creative energy of making guitars and decided to get back into building guitars. He found a partner and set up a new company. He sold the rights to call it Dean, so he named the company DBZ Guitars. He still could design and sell guitars. If I understand correctly, over time, he didn't like the way the guitars were being produced and left the company. They renamed to DBZ Diamond. They owned the rights to the *business name*, not his personal name. When he left DBZ, it was to form a third guitar company that only makes their guitars in-house (factory direct). It's more of a boutique brand than the previous two companies had become, and this time, these guitars wouldn't be sold by retailers - they'd come directly from a factory he personally oversees. -------------------- I don't know if these two examples help you at all in clarifying things, but I hope they lead you and your counsel to potentially finding case law decisions that specifically address and strike down what JLM is asking the court to rule in their favor. It can be argued that people would identify you as a person more so than the brand. It's "HP is the designer of HP bridal," rather than "HP is a corporation that shares the name with the main designer." They don't own your name, they cannot prevent you from designing entirely. I don't look at your social media thinking it's a corporate website, I look at it because some vloggers I follow were supposed to have weddings this year and they both expressed interest in trying on and purchasing HP gowns - so I looked at the dresses. I've seen you on SYTTD, so I know it wasn't a made up name, and you're a human, of course you're going to drink, dance, travel, express your feelings about COVID. It's actually a freaking selling point about the HP brand -there's a real person behind that brand who is endearing and engaging with potential brides. That is worth FAR more than JLM realizes - the engagement and approachability you provide HELPS sell the product. They can probably argue that any future entity you own/operate to design and sell bridal products could hurt their sales if it is named MissHP, or HPG, or the various iterations of your name that are in the contract you signed. It is why the contract licenses your name. Forgive me if this next part is wrong, but no one has stated to the contrary. They license the named permutations of your name within the contract as they relate to the design, marketing, production, and sales of bridal dresses. What I do NOT see is anything that expressly forbids you from designing at all - they license your name, and it would be a reasonable expectation that if you hung out a shingle for a new company named HP fashions, LoveHP, WeddingsbyHP, yadda yadda, it would cut into their business. So if you named it All That Glitters Bridal, unless your contract states specifically that you cannot design bridal, you would be able to do so, provided your name wasn't prominently featured in the marketing or on the website, or included in the legal name of your company. There are legal ways to start a new company and thrive, while holding to the spirit of this contract, should the judge rule in their favor. HOWEVER, this is another question I have. Does the contract state they license your name in perpetuity, or just for the length of your employment? How does it address the termination of licensing, if at all? Can they terminate the contract at any time? Can you? Or is it a lifetime thing? I don't expect you to answer any of these questions, they're merely the gaps in this contract that I see that could end this in your favor. ____________ Final thought - you're welcome to post on your Insta 'with their approval' means they view you as their employee who has to abide by their code of conduct. Were you asked to sign one? (A prior employer, in the early days of Twitter and Facebook, had language in our new hire documents that spelled out that we could not say who employed us in anything we posted on the internet. This predates your contract with JLM, so it would be a valid question for the judge. I've got a couple of other business ethics/legal questions, but they name thing is the primary focus, so my ADHD brain will just stop here before this becomes War and Peace,. ***If you'd rather I take this down for any reason, please feel free to message me. My opinions and observations are just that, especially since my legal experience really comes from reading a lot of cases and having a penchant for watching tv shows about lawyers... Hang in there, hold your head high, and do whatever you can to be the shining light you are in the darkness of these times. You make a lot of brides happy...
She is totally free to design and start a new brand - absent any reasonable non-compete period in the contract. She is not allowed to cause brand confusion which is why she cannot use her name for commercial purposes. Thus the brand cannot be “sparkles by Haylay Paige” as people would not understand the difference with JLM’s intellectual property. Her gripe is not that she cannot start a new brand. It is she doesn’t want to do the work of starting a new brand rather than ripping off the IP of JLM.
@@scottmolnar4132 at the same time they shouldn't take her own personal name for their gain. For example if it was All that Glitters by Hailey Paige then they can sue her for the right to keep All that Glitters not Hailey Paige.
@@Wondorawoman if she created the brand "all that glitters" they would have bought that brand. Instead, she created the brand and they bought the name Haylay Paige. They get to keep that brand name. She still keeps her name, she just cannot use it for commercial purposes as they already own the brand. It literally is that simple
@@scottmolnar4132 It's a little of that, and a lot of grey area because the social media accounts in her name did not exist when the contract was drafted. She is not prevented from designing at all, she just has to do so under a name that doesn't include any permutation of her name as spelled out in that contract. As with the Zappa case, it can be argued that it is her name, and she can freely use her name in non-wedding industry activities that do not negatively impact JLM's business. The Instagram account detailed the whole of her life from the time she opened it, and designing wedding dresses was a big part of that, which is why they're arguing for it. Vacation pictures, food pictures, pet pictures, family pictures can make it clear to people that it's a personal account, not run by the business. If she'd only put designs and dresses on there until recently, they'd have a legitimate claim to the account.
So glad things are going better for you. Really hoping things completely go your way! You are an amazing human, and a talented creative. Thank you for fighting! You can do this!!!
Am so glad you are fighting back to rid yourself of a relationship that turned parasitic and tried to bleed you dry. Good luck and my best wishes to you and all the goodness that you stand for.
You are SO right: one should not need a judge to understand taking someone's name and personal social media account is wrong. I have no words for their disgusting behaviour. You go get what is rightfully yours and what is never for someone else to take!
I’m so sorry this is happening to you!! I’m wearing the elke gown in September. When it was time to find a dress I knew I wanted Hayley Paige! I love your work and your content! I’ll be praying for a victory for you!
If you have to fight to use your own name, you should fight to change that law... this is YOUR NAME! This is fundamental to you. Like ab apandage. There are so many things wrong in so many levels...
That was beautiful. You have a big heart sweetie ♥️. Sounds like you have a lot of respect and friends in the industry. Buck up honey all is not lost, and I have a feeling good things are about to happen ✨️ for you. Good luck and best wishes.
You will absolutely prevail 💯 percent and when you do. You will show companies such as there’s that they can’t bully anyone and that if they do they will have to face the consequences of there actions. I love ❤️ watching you on Say Yes to the Dress your an absolutely amazing wonderful human being and you are strong and you will win 100 percent stay strong your fans are here with you ❤️❤️💝💝😍😍🥰🥰💖❤️❤️❤️
Make sure that you take care of your health at this difficult time. We are behind you and will support you as best we can. It's all about money. That's all these large corporations care about. Love from 🇬🇧
SO HAPPY THAT YOU ARE FIGHTING BACK AND HOPE YOU GET THEVRIGHTS TO USE YOUR OWN NAME AND BECOME BIGGER THAN YOU HAVE UP TO DATE!!! BEST OF LUCK. YOUR FANS STAND ALONG SIDE WITH YOU. MUCH LOVE 😘🥰💜💙🦋👍👌👏
I hope that after this whole thing is settled that you can start your own boutique with your own patent and that the dresses you make will be sold around the country so that we all can continue to enjoy your wonderful creations
I just heard about you/ this issue today! It’s crazy! I hope u win girl ! No company should EVER be allowed to own a persons legal name . It’s crazy. I mean I get like the Kate Spade situation of the kind but omg but still
I pray that through all of this, no matter the outcome, you will keep the heart that drives your passion. "Don't allow anyone to steal your crown." You have always been an inspiration with your compassion and insight. Stay true to your values. Draw strength in knowing you are fighting for what is right, fair and moral. Business aside, it is time for clear borders to be drawn, guidelines to be established and in place so that creative freedom is respected, as well as, protected legally. You are paving a way to allow future artist and businesses alike to have a more positive sense of right and wrong toward each other. Respect far outweighs profit, at least it should. I am proud of you for being as respectful toward JLM as you can be while still being strong and brave enough to stand up for yourself. Bullying is NOT acceptable in any way, shape or form. Blessings in your future endeavors both personally and professionally. Lots of love to you sweetheart.
I am so sorry you are going through this. You are a talented designer, creating beautiful dresses. If I was getting married I would contact you privately to have you make me a dress. Big industry should be ashamed of themselves for doing this to talented creative designers, It seems as if all they want to do is chew you up and spit you out, so sad. Hold your chin high, we are all rooting for you!!!!!!!
Please keep fighting and don't give up. You are so talented and you have such a beautiful spirit. For too long artists have been taken advantage of and this has to stop. I love your designs. I'm way past the marrying age but I love watching Say Yes to the Dress and that's where I got to see your beautiful gowns and your love for the brides.
I am sorry you are going through this. Sending comforting and healing Reiki. I Oma/ Grandmother give you a new name, hello Betty. You now make ,dog wedding dresses. Betty’ bow wow’s Bridal saloon. Hope this brought a smile to your face. 😽
Thank you so much for being public and verbal about all this. We appreciate your candor and bravery. We love you! ❤ May all this create a huge boycott of JLM, until they learn to treat you better!
Keep up the good fight and fight for what is right Hayley and May god bless you and I wish you only the best !!!! You are a great designer and we all love your hard work. Please be you sweetheart and remember that it’s your beautiful birth name that you were given and all your hard work . We all absolutely love you and I admire you as a wonderful person . May God Bless You Dear Hayley and I hope and pray that that you win your battle !!!!
My absolute dream is to wear one of your gowns on my wedding day... I will forever stand by you, you are my favorite designer... and what they are doing is absolutely ridiculous and completely wrong. If there’s something that we can sign or someway that we can try to help make it right, Please let us know.
I want you to know that you have a lot of support from many many people who have been bullied in the workplace themselves and also see the injustice in what JLM is doing. It is obvious that one of the major issues is that they are so jealous and insecure with the fact that you Haley Paige as an individual as an artist as a designer have surpassed anything they thought that you would and they cannot handle your personal success so they are going to try and beat you down. Do not let them hold your head high. Take care and God bless
