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Someone built a HUGE factory in The Sims 4 (Your Gallery Builds) 

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@robynw5443
@robynw5443 5 лет назад
Ahh I can't believe he reviewed my camper!!!
@LunaOfTime.
@LunaOfTime. 5 лет назад
Great job loved what you did for a futon!
@nancypollard4531
@nancypollard4531 5 лет назад
That little camper is just such a charming lot. I'm really impressed by all the details that bring it to life.
@vickylopez1961
@vickylopez1961 5 лет назад
I loved the camper so much, the detail is great
@andpad8380
@andpad8380 5 лет назад
How did you do the door with a bookshelf?
@robynw5443
@robynw5443 5 лет назад
@@andpad8380 It's an unlockable door, you can unlock it if you put in the ignore gameplay settlement cheat
@thursdaysdaughter
@thursdaysdaughter 5 лет назад
Wait, they put the futon bed up against a couch to look like a pull-out inside the camper on the first build. That is GENIUS level.
@ElaineLoyd
@ElaineLoyd 5 лет назад
He didn't even mention it.
@zainabadjiet6589
@zainabadjiet6589 5 лет назад
Had to do a double take. Thank you for pointing this out!
@intermezzono1
@intermezzono1 5 лет назад
@@ElaineLoyd i dont think he even recognized it. i had to look three times until i saw it xD
@tildeissobieberlike
@tildeissobieberlike 5 лет назад
Might be natural to him since there is cc that does that?
@tristanegbert
@tristanegbert 5 лет назад
where?
@Indichann
@Indichann 5 лет назад
My laptop died from just seeing some of these builds.
@ultraciphergaming2893
@ultraciphergaming2893 5 лет назад
Lol there to big for your laptop 🤭
@gabrielatorres5557
@gabrielatorres5557 5 лет назад
Haha can’t relate
@anisnej10
@anisnej10 4 года назад
Ryo I feel like you have to hit a very sweet spot to not feel bad for playing a game. One end of the spectrum is people with terrible laptops, and the other side is me, with 32GB Ram, i7 8700k, 2080Ti. I ONLY play sims, and I hate myself for it. I didn’t buy my computer for sims bro
@Indichann
@Indichann 4 года назад
@@anisnej10 I used to play a ton of MMOs that my laptop can't run anymore nowadays. Being broke is a pain lmao
@taliaghoul
@taliaghoul 5 лет назад
This is exactly why the content creators should be hired to build for the games.
@dids3384
@dids3384 5 лет назад
right. maxis could never build something this nice.
@Kardinaalilintu
@Kardinaalilintu 4 года назад
@@dids3384 Well yehs, because professionals usually have strict time tables for this kind of stuff. You aren't allowed to put hours to one lot! That's way too expencive.
@perlawantsu
@perlawantsu 4 года назад
i get where you’re coming from but actually the people who build things for the game are super restricted with the amounts of items they can have on one lot so the game can run smoothly on any computer. some of these would make some people’s go boom
@bloodyMery11
@bloodyMery11 4 года назад
They have to make builds friendly for all PCs.... Lot of people wouldn't be able to open it with builds like this. Also these builds use every expansion possible in most cases. Without count time limit.
@annacheng9426
@annacheng9426 5 лет назад
Hey James Thanks so much for featuring my Thai Night Street Market ! I am so glad you liked it :D
@Tru1Tani
@Tru1Tani 5 лет назад
It was awesome!
@sarapawelec8243
@sarapawelec8243 5 лет назад
Amazing and stunning work ;) I'm going to your gallery right now!
@annacheng9426
@annacheng9426 5 лет назад
@@sarapawelec8243 thank you , leave a comment and I'll follow you :)
@Its_MrPotato_Head
@Its_MrPotato_Head 5 лет назад
i love your build !!! thank you for sharing your culture
@LunaOfTime.
@LunaOfTime. 5 лет назад
You did a fantastic job! Keep it up 😊
@SkyFilledPond
@SkyFilledPond 5 лет назад
There is something so genuinely wholesome about James pretending to go through airport security.
@kaheipun
@kaheipun 5 лет назад
Imagine Column living in the Witch's Swamp when she grows old
@kf10147
@kf10147 5 лет назад
Ka Hei PUN esp with the debug portals to get over the bridge without teleporting!
@ivy1130
@ivy1130 5 лет назад
10 seconds in and you are sitting on a toilet. This video is going to be interesting
@suzzzy
@suzzzy 5 лет назад
he's sitting IN the toilet
@BlissfulMartini
@BlissfulMartini 5 лет назад
I really wish you could have both a restaurant/diner or cafe combined with a retail lot. Having to choose between a retail lot that sims can make food on or a really well decorated restaurant feels under done
@Makeawishbecometrue
@Makeawishbecometrue 5 лет назад
Blissful Martini there must be a mod somewhere right? I guess it would be pretty hard to process doing both at once
@LivinInSim
@LivinInSim 5 лет назад
Yeah, that'd be great. Maybe they could do it with Lot Traits, I dunno. As it is now I just make lots with the requirements for several things. It's pretty easy for retail since it just needs a cash register. But you do have to set all the items for sale. Then I switch lot types back and forth in Build Mode. You can also just put the barista station on your retail lot, and hire for it. You can do the same with the food stalls. The hamburger/hotdog stall works great for a diner/snack bar, I just add tables.
@TheMaritimeHorror
@TheMaritimeHorror 4 года назад
Check out LittleMsSam on Tumblr. I think she has a mod for this.
@poppyblack3356
@poppyblack3356 5 лет назад
Someone again, forgot to flush the damn toilet 🤣🤣
@izzyisbored3225
@izzyisbored3225 5 лет назад
Poppy Black oof
@ilonaOakenshield
@ilonaOakenshield 5 лет назад
DISGOSTANG!!!!
@LivinInSim
@LivinInSim 5 лет назад
Turd Ferguson!
@TirzaCS
@TirzaCS 5 лет назад
These are awesome! You can tell how excited James is by how many times he says "as well".
@BigBadWolframio
@BigBadWolframio 5 лет назад
James in the frigging toilet xDDDDDDDD So funny, yet so simple.
@BlueEyedRaven_
@BlueEyedRaven_ 5 лет назад
You look very comfortable in that toilet.
@rooksclown316
@rooksclown316 5 лет назад
It's probably cramped in there
@emiliaeltawey4538
@emiliaeltawey4538 5 лет назад
One could say too comfortable LOL
@lanabmakeup
@lanabmakeup 5 лет назад
Someone better build a Hogwarts for the next builds video!!!! Pleaseeee
@SammyLammy1D
@SammyLammy1D 5 лет назад
Omg yeeeesss!
@notinuseoldaccount5105
@notinuseoldaccount5105 5 лет назад
I'm literally in the middle of building Hogwarts but I don't think I'll get it finished in time plus the gallery is playing up for me. Really sorry I hope someone else does it though
@HollyCzanirov
@HollyCzanirov 5 лет назад
There’s some Hogwarts and three broomsticks already on the gallery
@intermezzono1
@intermezzono1 5 лет назад
@@HollyCzanirov i have seen one hogwarts in the past couple of years that was so damn impressive that i dont think anyone could ever do anything that awesome again xD
@HollyCzanirov
@HollyCzanirov 5 лет назад
bestdamnalex i’ll be honest I haven’t looked at any in detail inside, but the outsides have looked super crazy detailed
@michellerabey6637
@michellerabey6637 5 лет назад
I feel like it would be cool if the Sims had some sort of "mall" feature that let you open multiple stores, cafes and/or resturants on one lot
@menovaline
@menovaline 5 лет назад
These builds are awesome, the Simmers out there are so amazing at creating these builds. How about having a type of illusion build sometime. Where you get to the lot and it looks like a regular house but underground or just hidden there is a whole new world.
@Tru1Tani
@Tru1Tani 5 лет назад
I so wish that I could participate. After the magic builds you should do #offthegridforsemaj
@green_eclipse4648
@green_eclipse4648 5 лет назад
As soon as you zoomed out and I saw the toilet I died. Someone forgot to flush, IT'S COME ALIVE😭😂
@RavenJeffy
@RavenJeffy 4 года назад
That factory is hands down the most awesome build I've ever seen!
@user-ox4bd4tu9z
@user-ox4bd4tu9z 5 лет назад
Still waiting for James to do #Hideforsemaj where there’s a hidden object in the build and James has to find it. 😂
@morganmccormick1158
@morganmccormick1158 4 года назад
More like #hidefromsemaj 😂😂
@eiephants
@eiephants 5 лет назад
That sound effects machine was a good investment. 😄👍
@luvsluna4
@luvsluna4 5 лет назад
HUGE applause to the person who made that factory. UGH it was amazing
@theleonidaschannel
@theleonidaschannel 5 лет назад
@StabiloTom how long did it take you?
@xhuxhi5798
@xhuxhi5798 5 лет назад
That last one had my mouth hanging open!!!! I absolutely was stunned!!!
@RoyalTeaaa
@RoyalTeaaa 5 лет назад
“YoU cAn TuRn It InTo A rEsTaUrAnT” NOW James , we can all agree that that’d be a great idea ... IF restaurants weren’t eternally glitchy and basically unplayable 😂
@mdlay
@mdlay 5 лет назад
James triggered my motion sickness with the Thai Night Street Market. Sick build but, his camera work made me sick.
@mitsubachiii
@mitsubachiii 5 лет назад
All the build triggered my motion sickness. I have to pause every 5 minutes lol But I love the builds he shows.
@amandaburn9089
@amandaburn9089 5 лет назад
If it gets too bad, you can probably adjust the video speed to a slower playback.
@amypantling287
@amypantling287 5 лет назад
everytime he goes into first person pov triggers mine lol
@pelahnar4
@pelahnar4 5 лет назад
James, I love that you do these videos showing people's awesome builds and I also love how genuinely excited you get seeing all of them! It's so great to see the variety and creativity that people have on the sims. I only got the base game recently (during the week or so that it was free) so I'm not familiar with all the items and what you can do with them, so this is a really cool way to see what other people do.
@jeezus4320
@jeezus4320 5 лет назад
9:20 is such an amazing build omg, nvm every single one is amazing :(
@_amaya.
@_amaya. 5 лет назад
I like how at the factory, some of the cubicles had personal stuff. At one, I saw the baby shoe frame. Also in the factory parking lot, some of the cars were crooked which is a cool detail! Really nice build! Too bad my PC can't handle it 🤣🤣
@MarinaLimaM
@MarinaLimaM 5 лет назад
Someone should count how many times James says "as well" in this video
@MrsHippies101
@MrsHippies101 5 лет назад
Marina Lima that or take a shot 😂 I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed how many times he said it though
@starbies552
@starbies552 5 лет назад
Maybe you can do a challenge where you have to be nice to your sims.. Like you can’t yell at them and all, I think that would be hilarious 😂
@thursdaysdaughter
@thursdaysdaughter 5 лет назад
"WHAT IS WRONG... * cringe * with other Sims when they don't take their dirty dish to the bathroom sink upstairs? You're doing the most logical action ever. Good job. *dies inside*"
@Serawyn
@Serawyn 5 лет назад
Yeah... Katrina would be so confused at not getting yelled at on sheer principle lol
@undetestable1
@undetestable1 5 лет назад
whoa that factory build was amazing! i feel very intimidated. Props to whoever built that.
@jalynnwilliams6170
@jalynnwilliams6170 5 лет назад
27:53 seems like it's an actual horror game loll especially with the alarm.
@NerdyHomosapian
@NerdyHomosapian 5 лет назад
Wow, my dream is to build something that excites Semaj like this
@KKC97
@KKC97 5 лет назад
I LOVE the camper. It actually looked like one!
@susiebyars7584
@susiebyars7584 5 лет назад
That Factory!!!!! Awesome doesn't hack it.... It's Gob smacking X100. Nice sound effects by the way.
@NiaJustNia
@NiaJustNia 5 лет назад
I think if you didn't want to have to teleport with that build, you could probably get away with making a tiny secret basement path to the hill and hide it with a debug tree or bush as sims can walk through them
@Frenchaboo
@Frenchaboo 5 лет назад
I'm pretty sure the lot was made with RoM brooms or vampires in mind
@NiaJustNia
@NiaJustNia 5 лет назад
@@Frenchaboo Not everyone will have access to or want to play as a vampire or spell caster
@ericengvall8619
@ericengvall8619 5 лет назад
23:14 I'll take detail over frame-rate anytime. Especially when the frame-rate slowage isn't even that noticeable, as shown here.
@temporalnix2936
@temporalnix2936 5 лет назад
Every so often I see my house builds compared to my friends, and I think to myself "yeah, I got this. I'm quite good at making houses now." Then you release these videos and I realize my skills are shit :P
@tealkerberus748
@tealkerberus748 4 года назад
Desmond Sutcliffe yeah, but if a build has so many objects in it that your computer crashes trying to load it, that's not an advantage. Semaj should do a hashtag for minimalist lots, for those of us with elderly machines.
@evilredcaboose
@evilredcaboose 5 лет назад
These are Epic!! Certainly inspiring for my gameplay
@ghostgarrison6505
@ghostgarrison6505 5 лет назад
This is one of the best videos ever, what people build is amazing. Please do more gallery build videos!!!!!!!
@larimars
@larimars 5 лет назад
The entire factory wowed me, the amount of detail especially in the offices is so cool. I could never
@giggiwidit5638
@giggiwidit5638 5 лет назад
The Trueman Show build raised a question that has burned with me since that film came out... Would anyone else have liked to have seen a 'The Trueman Show 2' ??? that followed Trueman after he left 'The Show'. It could have been soooo good... for e.g. the Show people could have maybe tried to get Trueman back, but his billions of fans could have helped him to stay free, and they could have delved into Truemans life 'post show'... which may well have been harder than people would have imagined... dealing with a fame that you never asked for, or even knew that you had. Because; lets face it, Trueman still wouldn't be 'Free'. He wouldn't just be able to disappear, into a 'normal' private life.... and I just feel that it would have made a great second movie... or even a new Netflix Series (or other online show production company) =DDD
@aqua1607
@aqua1607 5 лет назад
Love these videos, people are talented as hell. James gives me teacher vibes lol like he's reviewing his students' submissions
@amythestkitty
@amythestkitty 5 лет назад
My favorite build was the night market, although I did get a little motion sickness from how fast the camera was moving rofl. Amazing builds, good job to the creators!
@eddieoctopus
@eddieoctopus 5 лет назад
Wow these are amazing! People are so creative 😯
@mamagrubbs
@mamagrubbs 5 лет назад
James the is the sunflower in the toilet 🌻 🚽
@meep11600
@meep11600 5 лет назад
That factory was INSANE!!
@farahm5369
@farahm5369 5 лет назад
Why on earth am I howling at James sitting on a toilet? 😭
@Meve76
@Meve76 5 лет назад
i love this series it's full of good ideas and great builds!
@mandymckk
@mandymckk 5 лет назад
If I don’t see ya, good afternoon, good evening, and goodnight!
@mlvogh
@mlvogh 5 лет назад
Amanda ❤️
@jemmaf.a.b
@jemmaf.a.b 5 лет назад
Are we just gunna ignore the fact that he skimmed over the fact that there was an ironing board in a public toilet?!? 😂😂😂😂 By the way I’m talking about the Thai build
@tamaracikes939
@tamaracikes939 5 лет назад
I understood that was supposed to be the board you use as a baby changing station, public restrooms have them
@ingeborg-anne
@ingeborg-anne 5 лет назад
"The higher up you get, the harder it gets to go gently." -James Turner 2k19
@frommoiful
@frommoiful 5 лет назад
i wish we could play with a mall kind of set up, open multiple shops and restaurants at one lot. would be so much fun playing at the thai night market 😍
@nokaching8235
@nokaching8235 5 лет назад
Amazing video Semaj. ❤️ all the builds. They all deserve to be in LP's.
@tiindraah0311
@tiindraah0311 5 лет назад
"The higher up you get the harder it gets to like... Go gentle..." - James 2019
@ari-safari626
@ari-safari626 5 лет назад
SEMAJ !! Your videos get me through some really tough times ! Bedridden because I’ve had bronchitis for going on three weeks and just went through something traumatic . Thank you for all you do !
@frederikerader5788
@frederikerader5788 5 лет назад
Get well soon!
@nokaching8235
@nokaching8235 5 лет назад
Feel better! ☕
@rosieloosemore6859
@rosieloosemore6859 5 лет назад
I was today years old when I realized Semaj is James backwards! XD
@MateriaGirl
@MateriaGirl 5 лет назад
thai street market: exists james: as well as well as well as well as well
@ingeborg-anne
@ingeborg-anne 5 лет назад
*James goes through security* BOOP "Yeah I'm good :3" James have you been beeped every time you've gone through security and kept on going? How are you not on all of the no-fly lists?
@amandaburn9089
@amandaburn9089 5 лет назад
As always, floored by the level of detail and creativity in these gallery features! The factory could make for a pretty bad-ass retail lot challenge to sell everything in it.
@annagirard4940
@annagirard4940 5 лет назад
New drinking game- drink whenever James says “as well” 😂
@iresvanbeek
@iresvanbeek 5 лет назад
Nice James I like that you are sitting in a TOILET, ahahaha
@sherrybrissette1614
@sherrybrissette1614 5 лет назад
That second house looks like my mother's friend's house. Cluttered to the max and weird. Great build!
@Malkavian777
@Malkavian777 5 лет назад
Dang, I appreciated the person who made Thai night built. Very nice👌
@julialarsson153
@julialarsson153 5 лет назад
I love these kinds of videos where he looks at other players builds!!
@fia2458
@fia2458 5 лет назад
about the cave on the swamp build: if your sims reach level 10 carpentry skill then they can break into it and go to a little grotto :)
@foureyedsnake244
@foureyedsnake244 5 лет назад
Short question Does a hobbithole counts as a magical build?
@emilyclairmont4990
@emilyclairmont4990 5 лет назад
I'd say that's pretty magical!
@schoo9256
@schoo9256 5 лет назад
I don't know but I reckon James'd be fine with it
@toaster1961
@toaster1961 5 лет назад
I’d say so as long as you put some magical themed things inside it
@peaceoglory
@peaceoglory 5 лет назад
I'm not 100% sure, so don't trust me on that, but I think he already featured a hobbit hole in one of these videos.
@theleonidaschannel
@theleonidaschannel 5 лет назад
@@peaceoglory he has!
@tomasfangueiro4118
@tomasfangueiro4118 5 лет назад
*Loved the background.*
@AA-bk1oe
@AA-bk1oe 5 лет назад
Props for explaining the makeup in the bathroom. Deli must be proud
@Anomaly3066
@Anomaly3066 5 лет назад
JAMES PLZ TELL EA THAT THIS IS WHAT BUILDS SHOULD LOOK LIKE!!!!
@owenmorris2691
@owenmorris2691 5 лет назад
The Factory 🏭 and Witches’ 🧙‍♀️ hut! OMG 😲 SO IMPRESSIVE!!!
@Emma-te6mi
@Emma-te6mi 4 года назад
Wow something about that factory build just immersed you right in to it. Even the cubicles had different personalities so you could imagine the different people that worked there. Truly amazing I could just picture it as a movie set or something.
@Kimaddams95
@Kimaddams95 5 лет назад
Omg I might actually post something for the magic builds! Cause I'm working on something right now that's like magic based :D
@webbymom529
@webbymom529 5 лет назад
Gosh. WOW. You know, I used to be pretty happy with my own creative in-game builds. USED-TO-BE being the operative word(s). These are all framming a-maze-ing and, as a previous commenter said "GENIUS level". I'm loving the idea of this whole series, James, keep 'em coming! I love being able to see other Simmers' builds through someone else's eyes, I love being amazed at what folks dream up, and I love the inspiration this kind of stuff gives others! Who knows? One day I might get brave enough to build something with one of your hashtags. LOL
@IngvildHeian
@IngvildHeian 5 лет назад
Damn, this is so impressive!👏 I can't even build a wall without screwing it up😅
@TheMikZino
@TheMikZino 5 лет назад
Insane amount of detail! So inspiring! Wow! Incredible.
@fayehatesyou
@fayehatesyou 5 лет назад
You in the toilet made me die laughing 😂
@dennisnikolaibentvelzen695
@dennisnikolaibentvelzen695 5 лет назад
Fun drinking game: Take a shot every time James says "debug".
@janabanana1976
@janabanana1976 5 лет назад
College? Does someone secretly want a sims 4 university? 🤣🤣🤣
@That-Wanderer
@That-Wanderer 5 лет назад
The Witches Swamp and that factory👍
@freedomd3447
@freedomd3447 5 лет назад
I have never wanted ceiling options more than i do now after seeing that second build. absolutely amazing build 10/10 but come on EA the ceilings pls.
@Underground_Valentine
@Underground_Valentine 5 лет назад
I feel like every time I work on a build and I'm super impressed by my detailing, I see builds like these and just wanna yeet my computer out the window
@bremudaz
@bremudaz 5 лет назад
These factory and airport are just mind blowing! Amazing!
@MellaYellow
@MellaYellow 5 лет назад
Take a shot for every time he says as well at Thai Night Street Market ! Hehee 😋 Love your videos!
@kluski3423
@kluski3423 5 лет назад
The Swamp 😍
@keblee2443
@keblee2443 5 лет назад
Now my computer is not good enough to run lots like that so i dont like to get THAT detailed, but when I make builds like that where I am making a place where sims work and whatnot, I use get together to make clubs based on the sims professions and they “go to work” at the place that I built. And it works especially well for careers that have stay at home options. So for example, after seasons I built a botanical kind of bio dome lab that I built in one of those big lot parks in base game... and my sim was part of a “club” for people in the gardening career track... I made sure the main doors were club doors so only people in that club can enter and have access to all the plants in the game. I built offices and used the terrain editor to create bio domes and eventually used the get famous special effects objects so it can simulate rain in the bio domes... its this whole thing. Best part is that you set the actions for the club, so people arent just wandering around doing random things... the club members are actually doing work related things. And this works particularly good for lots that can be part public and part private like... a bank. I created a bank in the magnolia promenade area and set the basements as just rows and rows of individual vaults. I have a “business” club and set the members to people only in the business career track and they do things that look like work and help them develop their career skills too. The back offices are for club members only but any sim can get to their vaults... and the BEST part is that i can also have my criminal sims also attempt to break into the bank now! It pans out great for story telling. And because i set the lot as a club hangout, i can have any sin visit the lot and automatically see the club members just be there... altogether making the lot more lively. Who knows... maybe they get there while the criminals try to break in! Its just this whole thing. I totally recommend playing that way. Get together is such an underrated game pack i swear.
@docette2015
@docette2015 5 лет назад
James has become an art installation, I see. XD But yeah, these builds were amazing! I'm not CRAZY about the witch's cottage only being available through teleportation, but it really does look AWESOME. And the camper build was an incredible feat of tiny building. The airport was so well-designed, the night market had SO much to look at. . .but the Truman Show and VisiMax lots were the stars of the show to me. That factory was so detailed! It was amazing! And the Truman Show lot reminded me SO MUCH of the movie. Absolutely epic. :D Seriously, how is a girl supposed to keep up with all these incredible builders??
@mlyon1476
@mlyon1476 5 лет назад
New drinking game. Take a shot every time James says, "As well." 😂
@CameraManBlaise
@CameraManBlaise 5 лет назад
you should be able to make specific rooms restaurants or stores so you could have both on 1 lot.
@runstygge
@runstygge 5 лет назад
The hall (27:50) and the sounds (he put on) reminds me about the Chernobyl series
@pixelapocrypha
@pixelapocrypha 5 лет назад
That swamp house makes me want to recreate Howl's Moving Castle, but I know I wouldn't have the patience for it lol.
@AnoNiMuse
@AnoNiMuse 5 лет назад
0:09 10/10 editing.
@eviesunshine9256
@eviesunshine9256 5 лет назад
Semaj I felt the same way about that alarm in that tunnel for the factory build. Great choice for the alarm sound. That looks like a tunnel from horror film.
@Blazysammie
@Blazysammie 5 лет назад
I laughed wayyy too hard at “it may be juice we don’t know” 😂😂
@sealiagross8268
@sealiagross8268 5 лет назад
drinking game: drink every time james says "as well" in this vid lol (especially in the thai market)
@bonkusdown7599
@bonkusdown7599 5 лет назад
the thai street market makes me want to build. must. play. sims. NOW!
@pztter7838
@pztter7838 5 лет назад
Who forgot flusheng the toilet? DISTIGSTENG
@hazeldavis3176
@hazeldavis3176 5 лет назад
The airport was phenomenal! All base game is crazy impressive!!
@trude8073
@trude8073 5 лет назад
I wish more people did builds with only base game. That airport, it is definitely possible, so would really like more. I don't have all the packs 🙈
@TheDramakiddo
@TheDramakiddo 5 лет назад
oh YES I’ve been waiting for this. Luv you brother!!
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