@@robmcd Me too. I've completely stopped buying sony stuff. Waiting on Nikon's new body models to implement a dust protector so I can sell all my sony bodies and canon gears. They sure take their sweet time.
One minor correction: you do not need to tap the screen to turn tracking on and off in video. Just program one of the buttons for “Tracking On” in video mode, or better yet, program it for “Tracking on Toggle.” This will immediately address Jordan’s complaint at 08:22, and it works perfectly. The setting can be found on page 2 (“Focus Area”) of the purple Focus Menu section when you go to program a button via “Custom Key/Dial Set.” on page 3 of the yellow toolbox section. Admittedly, it’s hidden, but it’s there and it’s awesome.
One minor correction: you do not need to tap the screen to turn tracking on and off in video. Just program turbo encabulation in the “Marzel Vane” sub-submenu, in the purple section of the Double Secret Configuration menu, which you can access by sacrificing a chicken and hopping on one foot in a circle while chanting “Sony, Sony, Sony is our God.” Using the tracking functionality this way does require implantation of a very thin tungsten wire in your dominant eyeball, but the operation is almost painless and does keep you from noticing the dust specks as a bonus. So you see, it's actually very simple!
@@jlwilliams I don’t disagree that Sony should never have buried this setting, but my point is that it is there and it works to perfection. Once you are aware of it, it takes very little effort to set it up the first time and then it’s always a single button press away from being toggled on or off.
As a longtime pro I have owned Sony A500, A7RII, A7RIII, A7III, A9, A7RIV and currently own A1, A7SIII and yes I added the A7RV. And I have never had dust on the sensor issues, ever. And yes I shoot all subjects all over the world, including in dusty, sandy places and yes I change lenses in the field. It is all about a few simple techniques in pre-cleaning with a blower bulb (including the rear of each lens), and proper mounting and dismounting lenses with the camera lens opening facing down to avoid dust on the sensor, and shielding the camera with my body when changing lenses in the wind. And my images dont have dust, just a fact. I have owned Nikon, Canon and Leica digital cameras as a pro of over 50 years in the business, and my Sonys have never had worse dust issues than any of them. Cheers and best to you both.
Honestly i'm not too big a sony fan boy. I work on the field as a travel photographer and videographer so i'll use whatever works but i couldn't agree more with this statement. Have owned every generation under the sun of sony and never had this dust issue there referring too.
The a7rV can initialize tracking with a button in photo and video mode. Its called "Tracking on" and "Tracking on + AF On" for photo and "Tracking On" and "Trackin on Toggle" for Video on Page 22 in Custom Key assignment menu. It can also be set with Touch pad enabled with the thumb when you use the EVF. Im not a fan of using the delicate shutter to catch dust and debris. If something needs protection on a camera its the shuttermechanism. Just have one of those blowers with you and clean your sensor befor a shoot. 4K60 has a way faster readout speed than 4K30. You could use that and just export in 30 fps at the end. This is a phot camera first and i think its very good for the sensor if you think about how limited the rIV was
I think this is a "Photo-first All-round" camera, which has the best photo quality and absolutely good-enough-for-most video capabilities. The A1 is an "All-round" camera which does not win the best, but still always can stand on at least the second best place in almost every aspect. And for the S3 it's a video camera for sure.
As an A7R IV user I ordered the new body immediately when I got the money. It's simply a whole new level of experience that much of the pain caused by slower processor is gone.
@@MarS-dc2qx It is great to use. Auto focus is almost magical to use that it never misses a subject. IBIS is greatly improved and useable to do hand held shots using my 70-200 GM. The screen is vivid, sharp and bright. EVF is top notch as well. Really nothing to complain about photography. One thing tho, don't buy the 80GB CFExpress Type A card. I got a two pack and realized they only have one NAND flash chip inside and can only do half of the rated speed. get the 160 GB version or look for some nice UHS-II SD cards.
@@SoftKitty0930, get the new Angelbird 1TB. Prograde 160GB cost $365 (Sony Tough 160GB cost ~$400) or $2.27/GB while Angelbird 1TB cost $499 or $0.50/GB. That’s ~4.54x more per GB. Will get mine in a week or so test it out.
It wasn't easy to save enough money to purchase an A7RV but I was able to finally afford one. I wanted this camera because of its AF and resolution. I am not into video much so I figured that, for portraits, family pics, landscape, it was the ideal camera. I haven't been disappointed. This camera is awesome. I have been watching a lot of videos about new cameras in the last couple of years. One thing is common among the different models. They all offer compromises. Enjoy shooting, everybody.
Awesome review! Upgraded from the R4 to the R5 and I am totally loving everything about the camera as a strict photo camera. I do zero video. I really love the improved ibis, evf, AF, pixelshift motion correction and that flip screen that lets you put in vertical mode (landscape shooters totally will love this). Also finally we have focus stacking and improved EVF. Not sure what I'd want out of a camera focused on stills.
Finally upgraded my 7yr old 7R2 to this.... Enjoying all the new features especially the improved eye/face AF and latest IBIS which really helps my wife to be able to take sharper portraits
And still no final review on the A7 IV... Not that I'd need it anymore, now that I've bought it. Just reminding you guys of your promises ;) That aside, thank you for your great service!
full width sample is pixel binning, its not as bad as line skipping sub sampled. It's basically same as A1, and from result the sharpness is like A7S3 in 4K so it would be great to use full width mode.
Great review as always guys! Thanks. Actually considering this camera right now. About that rolling shutter issue. If I'm not moving my hand so fast and not playing drums will it still be a nice choice for vlogging? Thanks!
Just more confirmation that you will ALWAYS have to compromise on the video or photo side of things. If you are primarily a still photo shooter, this camera looks awesome. If you shoot more video than stills, there are probably too many compromises. As someone who is finally making the switch to mirrorless, more for the video capabilities than anything, I am struggling to know which way to go (as I don't know how much video shooting I will wind up doing as it is pretty new to me).
@@halcyon1981 Have a check on the Photons to Photos site and you would notice that everything comes with a price, and for the A1 it loses just a tiny bit of dynamic range, probably due to the design of stacked sensor. The same also applies to Z9 and A9. The high read out speed does cost a little bit on the IQ. And the A1/Z9 cannot do full-width 4k 120p read out like the A7S3 does. So... yeah, everything compromises, either here or there.
I just use those dust swabs constantly on my a7riv. I can see any speck on it everytime I change my lens. Works like a charm, don’t be afraid to go hard it can handle it.
@@Galeidan Sony did it with the A99 before panny 🙃 So it's been there this whole time but I guess Sony decided that consumers rather had a slightly smaller body.
@@ying20000818 Yes but A99 design is different. You can't get the screen on the side of the camera. Only below (if I am not mistaken?) Tripod etc would block the view also in that case. I prefer Panasonic S1H and Sony A7RV screen designs much more.
Thanks for the video. I was thinking to replace my A7RIV for the A7RV, for stills (99.9% of the use), but I'll wait for a new model with dramatic enhancements.
I used my Riii for 4 years and i never get any major sensor dust. Nothing that i cant blow away anyway. Interesting to hear how many people suffer from this issue which makes me question if the lens changing technique is the issue here.
Been waiting for this review, ever since the A7R5 launch. Detailed but concise, and covers every basis I wanted. On paper, it looked like the perfect camera for me (mainly video with casual photo) but with that crop, subsampling and rolling shutter performance, I'll probably wait for the A7 Mark 5 or the A7S4, if that ever comes out.
Question for A7RV owners. I shoot waves in the ocean with a waterhousing. Currently have the A7R3 and im going to upgrade. You think the AF will be good for waves?
Hi , Is the Full frame Xtra fine 26 MP JPEG also benefitting in Low light on A7R5 compared to 61 MP JPEG. Can u suggest on it . i am basically a JPEG shooter and confused between buying a74 and a7r5 , i have good budget for a7r5 and will pull the plug for it , if 26 MP JPEG is also benefitting in low light. You can shoot in 61MP in good lighning for extra detail and resolution on A7R5 and switch to 26 MP for low light benefits if light goes down. i have seen and read that medium RAW benefit s in low light , but so should 26 MP jpeg too , just wanted to confirm with you on it . Thank you.
It's rare that I find Jordan making a mistake about some feature on a camera - but as Patrick Murphy-Racey demonstrates on his channel, A7RV does have Tracking On where you can use the use the joystick to initiate tracking, rather than the Touch screen. Even on the A7IV, if you use Touch Pad+Touch Panel (i.e. Both valid), and Spot Focus Area with Touch Tracking Active, you can use the rear LCD as a giant touch pad to move your Focus spot to your desired subject and initiate Tracking. So the criticism is unjustified, though as usual Sony could have explained or shown off these features more clearly.
Which camera would you get today if you not really needed Full Format. APS-C will work fine for me. Which brand to look at (and model). Ive been using most of the brands on the market, but Im a bit out of update which the current lineups. I will have the camera as a pro amateur (if thats something). Photography is my thing, video for a very secondary use.
I'm a skydiver who does video and photography. I rented the R V, but never got a chance to use it while skydiving. I did get to use it for more than a few pictures of my FURKIDS. I love it... :D
Thanks for this in depth review boys. Sounds like the rolling shutter problem for video is pretty bad but would cranking the shutter speed mitigate if not completely resolve this issue?
Didnt expect this video to drop. I thought review video for a7rv is over and done with. Been using only the a7rii for past 7 years since launch. Just got my a7rv 2mths ago and i cant be happier. Technology has improve so much. Altho the a7rv noise level and af speed isnt the top notch. But its certainly more than enough for most situation or at least for me who just take photo for hobby. Love it.
Video Request. Hi dp review team :) can you please make a video regarding the best mirrorless camera to film wildlife as a priority so stills are not important at all, budget would be though thx
I get the feeling that the camera market is moving towards the phone market in terms of product strategy. Companies pump out bodies to cover the whole spectrum, which makes it increasingly more difficult to choose and next to that, iterations are following each other quite fast. Especially Canon is doing this with the R-line and the fast re-iteration of the R6. I would hope companies release fewer models and stand by those for multiple years with support and software updates. Could be more expensive, but it would give you more trust that you bought a piece of equipment that is not outdated within 2 years.
“Video focus like Nikon”- does customising lens button to tracking + AF on do the trick. What I do find confusing though is video mode and photo mode doesn’t allow the same customisation instructions - some focus instructions allowed in one , but not on the other . Probably for good reason but needs getting use to
I was hoping so much for this and the a7iv, but the slower fps compared to other camera brands bummed me out. I was holding out on the r5 for both of those to compare for getting to sports and wildlife. Excellent photo quality, but was hoping for more speed without having to go up to a1 prices. Perhaps the next gen will improve read out speeds. I’m still excited for future of photography.
I didn't see any rolling shutters when the guy was running. I wish the rolling shutter example would have been more practical. It's as if you are saying a boat is bad for the water because if you rock yourself enough it tips over.
I film birds at 20-150ft away. The sweet spot is about halfway. What camera/lens combo would work best for video? Currently using a Nikon P950. The amount of shots I missed from being slow is frustrating. Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks
@@dpreview Do y'all have a Laowa ultra wide available for testing? The new eIS for motion looks great but always seems geared for longer focal lengths. I would love to see what stabilization looks like for wide. Especially since I hear that feature is being updated by firmware.
If I just wanted less rolling shutter & didn't care for details & zooming in post. Would 1080p APSC/FF help at all? Like a pick your poison wherein I go 4K on less dynamic movement shots, then go 1080p since we're going to be seeing motion & motion blur anyway so slightly eff the details. I mean, I still consume most of my media between 480p/720p/1080p. Social media videos that require little brainpower & are ethereal pop-up in 360p sometimes. So 1080p is already a sweet spot. I only go 2.7K/4K when I want to see sweat & pores in dramatic media... like catwalks. Ugh.
I'm using a clip-in filter inside my Sonys. Because it's millimeters in front of the sensor, dust doesn't show up in your images. I don't understand why Sony doesn't put the UV/Infrared filter a few millimeters in front of the sensor instead of right on top of it.
I’ve taken over 240,000 images on my A7RIV and only needed to blow the dust off my sensor twice with the rubber bulb blower. I never needed a professional cleaning with it. I don’t change lenses that often using mostly 3 lenses for real estate. However, my A7III needed to be cleaned twice a week! That used to drive me crazy…
Star eater was a NR problem, not a compression issue, so presumably yes. Having said that, from what I saw at the time star eater was overblown, and the higher pixel density mitigates it because the stars aren't going to be removed if they're across more pixels. Fwiw even lower resolution, older a7 bodies still make great astro cameras. If you want the absolute best specifically for astro buy a K1 or that special astro specific Canon, but if you want a general purpose camera and just want to do the occasional astro shoot on the side the a7r5 would still be a great choice
Rewatching this. I own this and I’m really a stills only shooter so I’m not worried that the video performance is sub par. So many cameras with sub par stills capability. Have other cameras if I really cared about video. Take care.
The screen and EVF alone make it worth the upgrade from A7iv. Highly recommend shooting in 26MP RAW(M) mode which is more than enough for most people. The AWB is improved as well. I’ve compared the video compared to my A7iv and it’s virtually impossible to tell the difference unless pixel peeping. And rolling shutter is non-existent in 4K/60p with regular motion speeds. A7RV is a great camera and will be for many years to come.
I truly dislike the screen situation on the a7iv and luckily they admitted that they were wrong, but another 1500-2000€ extra for the screen and the EVF is just not what I would want to pay. Better get some of the fancy lenses and wait for the a7v. 34mpx is just perfect... wished though it would have a high-res-mode aswell... but that mode on Sonys is still ... garbage sadly. Still a lot to improve.
Sony camera has come a long way. I dont take video so video function not a problem for me. But only a small rant about Sony camera is. Their lcd screen still alot less res compare to the market. For eg A1 only 1.44m. And A7rv only 2m. I shoot live view alot so i would appreciate higher res lcd.
I've A6600 right now but like to jump into fullframe. I want to get the RV but I think it is out of my price range. I wonder how is RV as compared to RIV? I just want to take pictures. My video's will be handled by the 6600. I'm really interested in the wildlife photography.
A6600 and A7R IV came out around the same time, so many of the features are simliar. The biggest differences will be the body, viewfinder, resolution (including Pixel Shift), and readout speed issues. You're better off going with a used A9 for the money if you're looking at wildlife.
@@slam5 The main reason to move up to FF for portrait work is to get shallower DOF. Going to the A7R IV, you're also getting a lot more resolution. The question is: do you need either of those? Without them, it's very hard to see a difference between those cameras in the end result. Using APS-C, you're losing around 1 stop of DOF control vs FF, and adding 1.5x to the focal length. So a Sigma 56/1.4 on APS-C is equivalent to 85/2 on FF. A Sony 50/1.2 GM is equivalent to 75/1.6. So as you can see, 1.6 is about as shallow as you'll get on APS-C if you need AF, while you can get 1/2 on FF. With MF, there are 0.95 lenses that are roughly 1.4 on APS-C, and an 0.85 that's equal to 1.3, which is as fast as you're going to get. So it all depends on how far you want to blur out the background and potentially the subject's nose and even eyebrows on a close up headshot.
I am a Canon fan Boy, Got R5, have missed a few moments with auto focus, after using my friends A7RV, not easy to navigate thru menus like my canon, But Sony's Auto Focus is Simply Stunning, Spot on and fast
It is so annoying for the electronic shutter to be that slow, not just for video. I like to shoot some of my fast glass wide open in bright daylight and I simply couldn't do that before without ND on any of my Sony cameras. I would have been stuck in that same situation with the a7RV again. So, I'm pretty happy with my purchase of a used A1 instead.
I don't understand why Sony still don't use the space to the left of the EVF for anything. I feel like the mode dial could be there, and the current mode dial location better used for something else.
Should I ditch my canon R5 for the Sony A7R V ? I want the New Sigma 60-600mm super telephoto lens. Unfortunately this lens is not available for the Canon RF mount.
Depends on what else you need. If you need less jello, 20fps, or lenses like the 28-70 F2 or 85 F1.2, no. Otherwise, as you've noticed, Sony has a crazy big lens ecosystem that Canon is trying its hardest to avoid, along with better AF and IQ.
I have been using my A7III since 2019 for mostly Milkyway Landscape Astrophotography and also as a general travel camera (portraits, landscape etc.) Now I have been thinking about adding a second camera body to my kit, especially for the times when I travel to remote places for Astro. I thought it would be great to have a second body to get more shots/time-lapses in a single Astro night session. Initially, I was thinking about a second A7III (costs 1800 EUR), however, I don't know whether it would make sense to buy a five-year-old camera again, instead shelling out for A7RV (3900 EUR) might step up my game for landscape and also allow for more crop and better prints. (I also shoot windsurfers occasionally, shooting with the 105mm and then being able to crop would be great) The question is; would A7RV give me better astrophotos in terms of ISO and low light performance? or will the low-light performance be a disappointment after A7III?
Do not compare the noise on dpreview website: they used a lossless compressed raw. The file is about 80MB, when the uncompressed full quality raw file is over 110MB.
You do realise the entire point of lossless compression is that it's full quality, right? That's the entire point, it's lossless. The only reason Sony kept the uncompressed format is because their camera processors aren't fast enough at doing lossless compression to keep up with their faster shooting modes.
I can’t believe a brand new high-end camera in 2023 still has dust on sensor issues, even while implementing an ultrasonic filter! I have Fuji’s and Canon’s that are far-far from new models incorporating said filter, and absolutely no dust on sensor issues what so ever!
