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SONY a7SIII vs ALEXA Mini LF vs VENICE 6K | It's never been so close! 

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Dave Maze takes the Sony a7Siii and puts it against two of the most respected cinema cameras in Hollywood. The Arri ALEXA Mini LF, and the Sony CineAlta Venice 6K full-frame camera. Can the hybrid camera hold it's own? Or do the movie cameras eat its lunch? We think it's never been closer in terms of image quality and performance.
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00:00 - Intro
01:08 - ALEXA Mini LF vs Sony a7SIII
03:16 - ALEXA Reveal
04:29 - VENICE 6K FF vs Sony a7SIII
07:04 - VENICE Reveal
08:19 - ISO Tests
10:53 - Sponsor Message
12:13 - Final Thoughts
15:33 - Special Thanks: On The Mark Rentals
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@indymogul
@indymogul 3 года назад
Follow Dave on Twitter at twitter.com/davemaze or IG at geni.us/davemaze_ig! Thanks for watching!
@RiceCubeTech
@RiceCubeTech 3 года назад
I’d love to see a Venice comparison to the siii using the same lenses/settings and whatnot.
@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too
@@RiceCubeTech You don't understand color grading.
@insequence9207
@insequence9207 3 года назад
This if anything tells you lighting and lensing is more important
@indymogul
@indymogul 3 года назад
Absolutely. Those Zeiss Supreme lenses were AMAZINGGGGG
@MirdjanHyle
@MirdjanHyle 3 года назад
YES. THANK YOU.
@insequence9207
@insequence9207 3 года назад
@Mark Vasquez it indeed slaps, i'm getting a restraining order
@nathanwabre
@nathanwabre 3 года назад
So true! And that clouds do help a lot too 🤣
@BrendanEvan
@BrendanEvan 3 года назад
This is the truth.
@JevenDovey
@JevenDovey 3 года назад
Crazy how good the A7SIII is when stacked up to these beasts. Needs a little more work in the color grade compared to the other two but its so minimal. Cameras have come so far in the last few years
@indymogul
@indymogul 3 года назад
Absolutely. And based on Caleb Pikes findings in his latest video... some of my headache could have been with slog3 in particular. Slog2 seems to have better skintones and we both know the standard creative style is amazing. Stoked to try ProRes raw when it arrives
@Ben-fq1lj
@Ben-fq1lj 3 года назад
@@indymogul and also using wheels to fix one hue......bro all you had to do was just use a hue vs hue to avoid that shirt problem smh. lol, but either way thanks for making this video. Not perfect but hey, at least your making good content and getting out there.
@damiendehorn6350
@damiendehorn6350 3 года назад
The only issue is the additional cost of that color grading costs way more then the difference in price of the cameras in serious commercial production.
@stanchion8186
@stanchion8186 3 года назад
@@indymogul Love SLOG2, still grading FS700 / ProRes 12bit in that profile and the more cameras the use the more I keep noticing SLOG2 may be truly future proof.
@jesusmm3291
@jesusmm3291 2 года назад
@@damiendehorn6350 what cost?
@benwonderfulmedia
@benwonderfulmedia 3 года назад
The auto focus gave it away maybe but I didn't notice the magenta until it was pointed out tbh
@joseSanchez-ej2oh
@joseSanchez-ej2oh 3 года назад
Same I actually thought that his shirt was that color & that left seemed dull
@javajack-1
@javajack-1 3 года назад
I’m not getting magenta here. I’m wondering if he’s mixing in some old color science somewhere
@indymogul
@indymogul 3 года назад
yes, it's a real website: www.tedsimfanpage.com/
@dcmvisuals2638
@dcmvisuals2638 3 года назад
Canon r6
@WhatTheFragrance
@WhatTheFragrance 3 года назад
I can’t believe I thought the a7s3 image looked better than the Alexa. It had a lower depth of field. Would love to see you do a comparison with the Panasonic s5 which has better colour science
@dejavuking
@dejavuking 3 года назад
Hey excellent video so helpful my gosh really great!. Please may I ask some advice if you have a spare few mins at some point!. So I've loved photography, shooting video clips for years. Stopped doing it for years put my old camera away. But recently got a Sony RX100va and have realised I love both still even more!. What I've also found it I've reached the limits of the RX100va with the fixed lens/focal range, good but not incredible low light, the 1" sensor and the battery life and 8bit, don't get me wrong the rx100va is incredible for its size!. But ya I love colour grading well learning on davinci etc. So my dilemma is do I get the panasonic S5 as it's a more Pro-Am camera more hybrid and gets the job done or do I go all out and get the A7S3 + the 24mm t minus 1.4, but I'm not a pro!?. Also am I right in thinking the A7S3 is great for photography as long as your not blowing the photos up to building size lol!?. All I want to do is print poster size photos and maybe make photo books!. Ya any advice you or your subs can share would be massively appreciated! :).
@shridexdigi1982
@shridexdigi1982 3 года назад
I am curious why the Panasonic S1H is left out of every test against full frame cinema cameras. It shoots Prores Raw and now one can change white balance. Please do a comparison pls
@Hangs4Fun
@Hangs4Fun 3 года назад
I wonder if the magenta shift is just the internal codecs? Waiting to see some 16bit linear RAW external to 12bit log RAW on Ninja V examples focusing on color :-)
@warrend98
@warrend98 3 года назад
The ISO comparison is a bit of a cheat. The real test isn’t with full studio lighting. The real test should be in actual low-light situations where the camera has to do more interpolation. That’s the work.
@indymogul
@indymogul 3 года назад
Great suggestion!
@florianherrmann4093
@florianherrmann4093 3 года назад
The entire test was bad.. First: Grading each video on his personal preference just mixed up the small nuances that you would usually see. So he should not grade on his personal reference instead should grade both videos the same and maybe just use a LUT. Second: You instantly now which video was shoot with a professional cinema camera because on that they used a professional cinema-grade prime lens and kn the a7iii they used a normal sony lens (I might even think it was a zoom lens!) Worst camera comparison ever seen. Sorry but that s not how it is done professionally...
@olegkalinkin6877
@olegkalinkin6877 3 года назад
Sure... but shoot those clips in low light. Not just with high ISO.
@beowolf4572
@beowolf4572 3 года назад
Yeah, don't get why they didn't do it in low light.
@mabsfreeman1187
@mabsfreeman1187 3 года назад
409,300 Gigawatts!!! I mean ISO!!! Who needs a night-scope. This beast will let a blind man find his way out of a black hole!
@IvanGRANID
@IvanGRANID 3 года назад
you're wrong, not so great in real life like on the paper
@_rhapsodist
@_rhapsodist 3 года назад
I wish it was a sunny day so we could see DR differences
@indymogul
@indymogul 3 года назад
Good point. Same here... but unfortunately the only days we had the cameras... the fires were really bad. You can see how brown/orange everything is from the fires here in LA
@maximilianklein7779
@maximilianklein7779 3 года назад
Sony Fs 7 - I've got rly cool features, and I'm not that expensive Sony a7S - Hold my beer
@indymogul
@indymogul 3 года назад
LOL! The a7s3 has seriously gotten so amazing now. This wasn't even testing the RAW out of the HDMI either. Would look even better with that
@yannickvoyard
@yannickvoyard 3 года назад
If you pay attention to the stabilization, it's "easy" to see what was shot on the A7siii or the Alexa/Venice. This is saying that the a7siii is holding up quite nicely if you end up watching it on youtube anyway~
@CraigBickerstaff
@CraigBickerstaff 3 года назад
Personally, I was looking at the contrast, you see enough of these comparisons and I've found that the Alexa footage is always slightly lower contrast than whatever it's put up against wether that be a Sony camera or a Red camera. I wasn't sure I was going to get the Venice comparison right but I felt like there was something less harsh about the skin textures on one vs the other and I ended up calling that one correctly as well.
@Noel-qi7ku
@Noel-qi7ku 3 года назад
I'm a bit dubious about this video. Seems promotional. Specially with the cam coming out this week. The camera 2 footage is just so clearly made to look better.
@twosheafilms
@twosheafilms 3 года назад
Been waiting on this Dave! Thanks for all the hard work and time you put into this!
@bassgojoe
@bassgojoe 3 года назад
Whenever I see comparisons with Arri vs other cameras, I'm always surprised by how the skintones look better exposed on the Arri. I don't get how, because it's not like they're always brighter or darker, just always *better*, whatever difference is needed for the situation.
@kartikeypandey8957
@kartikeypandey8957 2 года назад
Yes
@matthewphillips5483
@matthewphillips5483 2 года назад
the word you are looking for is "bias". It is in your head.
@kartikeypandey8957
@kartikeypandey8957 2 года назад
@@matthewphillips5483 Ya actually we all have some bias and I think that is the reason why people love arri as it seems more true to real life in for of colour reproduction, relative luminescence level between different scenes and dynamic range which is closest to human eye as compared to any other camera.
@TechnoBabble
@TechnoBabble 2 года назад
@@matthewphillips5483 Shoots with an a6000 and tells people that it's just bias that makes them think the Alexa image is better.
@mededmoon6265
@mededmoon6265 Год назад
Agreed, it does phenomenal in all situations. A true cinema camera. A7siii looks like shit in comparison.
@adiljain1
@adiljain1 3 года назад
My two cents, if I may.. For a true comparison these would help: -Hard sunlight, mixed light, studio lighting set ups. (I saw your comment that it was grey and there was smoke from the forest fires!) -Raw vs Raw - it's pointless comparing Raw vs compressed footage. -Shoot on a tripod -Try doing anything with the footage in After Effects. See if it holds up. -Greenscreen keying easy or hard. Hope this helps! Cheers
@DaveDugdaleColorado
@DaveDugdaleColorado 3 года назад
Hey, I saw myself in this video!
@dipankarsanyal1594
@dipankarsanyal1594 3 года назад
Hey Dave!
@indymogul
@indymogul 3 года назад
Lol yup! Thats where we met!
@mikejezo
@mikejezo 3 года назад
Dave Dugdale hey Dave you’ve been instrumental to the fame of the A7s. You should really be a Sony rep for this camera line. Because I only understood the true power of that camera after you shot your low lite fishing ting😂 . And even Sony themselves didn’t have anything to Mach your creativity, as a result they are still using your footage 3 gen after . We all know that P.B shot the now I see , parts but only the original part 1 expose the true potential of that camera. But your approach and method ( shoot and change iso ) was key into the success of this camera. So I’m sure if Sony is listening that they should include you they pre-production program. ( and they should also drop you a couple of coins for the effort 😄🤣) I’m sure everyone will agree that DAVE’s methods was informative and technical at the same time, but everyone else’s just boom here is the result. ( well how did you get there ? What did you use?😨🤭)
@LonzosStudios
@LonzosStudios 3 года назад
Dave! where have you been? are you still using magic lantern? :-)
@pavelrybakov2431
@pavelrybakov2431 3 года назад
@@LonzosStudios 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@rafyus
@rafyus 3 года назад
Great video!! 🔥
@stevenkralovec
@stevenkralovec 3 года назад
This was amazing! I’m glad you’re the new host, Dave!
@deltalima5806
@deltalima5806 2 года назад
Great video, funny tones, I dug it. Well done!
@BasicFilmmaker
@BasicFilmmaker 3 года назад
Wow! So glad I jumped on the Sony A7s III 2 months ago, just need it to ship. Yeah, two months ago. Did I mention two months ago? Ummm...going to go get some cheese for my whine. 🤦‍♂️
@indymogul
@indymogul 3 года назад
Haha! Kevin! Thank you for your comment! You will be seeing your camera soon Im sure!
@jasonnowwhat5041
@jasonnowwhat5041 3 года назад
Shipped this morning if you ordered quickly enough from B and H
@BasicFilmmaker
@BasicFilmmaker 3 года назад
@@jasonnowwhat5041 I ordered quickly, just think not quickly enough. Ya snooze, ya lose rule in play. :)
@ctphotographx
@ctphotographx 3 года назад
@@BasicFilmmaker Got one of mine yesterday. My second is listed as backordered. Purchased local dealer. Wait until you see that big beautiful unbelievable EVF. Yes the AF is great, but that EVF makes manual focus so fun and easy that it's hard not to MF that MF.
@NickyRizzles
@NickyRizzles 3 года назад
Jason Now What yup! Mine shipped this morning too 😇
@Cinematographer_brenton
@Cinematographer_brenton 2 года назад
love this video dude
@sunlightpictures8367
@sunlightpictures8367 3 года назад
Great review, thanks!
@hellohogo
@hellohogo 3 года назад
I’m loving the vibe on the channel. Great job Dave!
@indymogul
@indymogul 3 года назад
Thanks buddy!
@vaskoobscura_
@vaskoobscura_ 3 года назад
Another awesome video. This is cool content.
@TheAaronalden
@TheAaronalden 3 года назад
This is great! Such an exciting time... Where skills are more important than the gear. The a7siii can certainly hold its own!
@indymogul
@indymogul 3 года назад
Absolutely!
@speedbird737
@speedbird737 3 года назад
Actually what gives each comparison away easily is autofocus - when one of the cameras in A or B looses focus and the other doesn't then thats how I could tell its the A7SIII as the A7 has rock solid focus!
@CraigToddOfficial
@CraigToddOfficial 2 года назад
Also one camera was higher than the other so that alone told me which one was the A7Siii as it was the one with more image above the frame of the other camera.
@jeffsaffron5647
@jeffsaffron5647 2 года назад
And stabilization.
@ForestLionhart
@ForestLionhart 3 года назад
Great video! 📸
@aaronfairooz7326
@aaronfairooz7326 3 года назад
Comparing cameras outside on an overcast day is pointless. I wanted to see how it handled highlights and low light, not the most minimal bs color shift
@sergiosanchez2012
@sergiosanchez2012 Год назад
The A7sIII wins in low light over any Cinema Camera, you can shoot with the moon as your only light source... The ARRI has +2 stops of dynamic range than any other camera so you have a little better highlight rolloff.
@jameskennedy8329
@jameskennedy8329 3 года назад
Holy moly, the Alexa reveal was a huge surprise. 2020 still has some tricks up it’s sleeve....
@indymogul
@indymogul 3 года назад
Wow! So glad you were impressed! I worked really hard on the color grade on this
@jameskennedy8329
@jameskennedy8329 3 года назад
Indy Mogul It definitely shows. Many of my favorite movies of the last decade were shot on Alexa and I kept thinking the A7S III footage was the Alexa. Well done!
@gehrrman
@gehrrman 2 года назад
Sick bro 🔥
@AllThingsFilm1
@AllThingsFilm1 3 года назад
The biggest take away I get from this video is that the film making world is more open to indie film makers thanks to the high tech in the "pro-sumer" cameras out there. These are the best of times for film makers of all budget levels. Thanks, Indy Mogul.
@timpolster
@timpolster 3 года назад
Thanks for your great comparison video.
@KittyGuerrillaFilms
@KittyGuerrillaFilms 2 года назад
this is so great. thank you!
@CNCcamon1
@CNCcamon1 3 года назад
When you have to pixel peep to tell the difference between your camera and an Alexa, I think you're probably good image quality wise
@ThisIsTechToday
@ThisIsTechToday 3 года назад
Sounds like you should save your pennies and just buy a second A7SIII over an FX9, lol.
@indymogul
@indymogul 3 года назад
Not to mention we haven’t even tried ProRes raw yet! Seriously amazing stuff here.
@sixsoxsex1
@sixsoxsex1 3 года назад
4.2.2 remain
@cloudiow
@cloudiow 3 года назад
No man definitly not. The digital sharpening in A7siii is to strong. The roll-off smoothness in the skin is also not even FX9 level.-
@ThisIsTechToday
@ThisIsTechToday 3 года назад
Cloudio cool. Buying another a7siii
@cloudiow
@cloudiow 3 года назад
@@ThisIsTechToday That feeling when you can't take an objective fact about digital sharpening and flex with a comment: 'Buying another a7siii' Cope much?
@valentinbusuioc4054
@valentinbusuioc4054 3 года назад
I've always been a fan of your style, so keep it up! And the squarespace promo was perfect, not the usual dry message, great stuff! :)
@indymogul
@indymogul 3 года назад
Haha thanks! So glad you enjoyed it. Trying to make those as fun as possible.
@benjones5799
@benjones5799 3 года назад
wow... I found for about 50% of the shots I preferred the a7siii and then the other.. the shot would make way more difference than the camera at this point (at least for the first two tests).. and obviously the lens
@Broganshire
@Broganshire 3 года назад
The last time I was this early this show had the original host.
@indymogul
@indymogul 3 года назад
thank you?... haha!
@Broganshire
@Broganshire 3 года назад
@@indymogul Early enough to get a reply ;)
@ImagineThis
@ImagineThis 3 года назад
Fantastic comparison! Any chance of uploading some of the original files so we can take a crack at color matching them ourselves?
@gautammatti
@gautammatti 3 года назад
i love you guys
@ThoughtSpirals
@ThoughtSpirals 3 года назад
It's pretty difficult to immediately spot which camera was which, however looking at the colour tones made it fairly clear. 1: In an attempt to correct the magenta - the skin is a sickly green from the a7SIII 2: The Alexa colour science's classic blueish-green sky is easily distinguishable from the magenta/grey on the a7SIII 3: When correcting the magenta, everything in the scene looks duller on the a7SIII than on the Venice
@JAK_EDITS.
@JAK_EDITS. 3 года назад
Yup.
@SuperBratan
@SuperBratan 6 месяцев назад
i thought the alexa image was sony alpha because the skin was more red. Could have left the red in skintones. But maybe my monitor is just ass
@MizanurRahman-zy5fw
@MizanurRahman-zy5fw 3 года назад
Gr8 video, lots of fun
@angelgcastro1
@angelgcastro1 3 года назад
Great video.
@Gadgetsjon
@Gadgetsjon 3 года назад
Great video guys. Still not sure whether or not to get the a7s iii or a new light or build a new editing pc...so hard to decide!
@cybebe6679
@cybebe6679 3 года назад
Hi Great Vid man. What kind of adapter did you use to attach Zeiss Supreme Prime lens to Sony a7s iii?
@JustJoshTech
@JustJoshTech 3 года назад
Anyone know what lens he is using on the Fuji to film his A roll?
@indymogul
@indymogul 3 года назад
I do!
@JustJoshTech
@JustJoshTech 3 года назад
@@indymogul spill the beans please :) which one?????
@phantomluts
@phantomluts 3 года назад
Nice! I'll be making a LUT to match my ARRI Amira as soon as I can get my hands on my A7siii! Look forward to getting it.
@jameskennedy8329
@jameskennedy8329 3 года назад
Awesome comparisons. I would have liked to have seen some shots with the cameras locked down though. Thanks for the great video!
@indymogul
@indymogul 3 года назад
Sorry about that! We had very limited time and handheld was much easier than lugging around the 100lbs tripod lol
@jameskennedy8329
@jameskennedy8329 3 года назад
Indy Mogul Completely understandable. I still really appreciate all the effort put into the video!
@andrewskater17
@andrewskater17 3 года назад
would really like to see more comparison between the Alexa LF and A7III.. especially during a sunny day and also an example where you show pushing the colors. Really appreciate this video!
@shrinkingshrimp
@shrinkingshrimp 3 года назад
Camera Assistant here to poop the party. There is no much point in comparing basic 709 images. Beyond an image quality you can almost make everything look good in post (if there is no problem in the image like bad exp. or clipping -where more DR can help for example), you can show the differences more with "extreme" like non-diffused daylight scenes, night and dusk shots, and EVEN THEN you have to show how far can we take the image in post, because NO ONE RENTS A 60K CAM TO JUST PASTE A 709 ON IT. These cams have so much more in them than just the image quality, and for me image quality matters the least when on set (until something is off with the cam, then it is my job to solve it). Arri manages to keep the camera crew, the scrip, the DIT and the wrangler in mind when designing their cameras interface and build, these are little things, like the always on info for the scripts screen, but Sony keeps f ing up these all the time (havent used the Venice, I heard good feedback on that camera, but the FX9 and the FS7 are piles of ... on set), and the A7SIII completely lacks of these features, so this is why we preffer Arris over anything else, not the image quality. (I know you did mention some of these I just started writing in the beginning of the video) "...you can get a fully rigged out cinema machine using something like the A7SIII..." as I stated above, these cameras are much more than just the image quality, so no, you cant get a fully rigged out cinema machine out from the A7SIII, however, the image quality is getting up there! The video made the impression when amateur phone reviewers compares a phone to their budget MILC or DSLR and say that it is on the same level or even the phone has a better camera while clearly they just cant use the camer. No I dont say you cant use these cameras, the video just felt like that on the next level: instead phone to MILC it is MILC to cinema. Anyway, looks like a fun video, just not for me. I wanted this to be constructive criticism not a rant, I hope I have succeded. And I like your work so keep up!
@CRANEREVIEWS
@CRANEREVIEWS 3 года назад
It's done for people that are looking for the A7S3, but even than it's a weird review - both the ISO test and the image. No real low light test and dynamic range, hugely different lenses. Weird even for an amature.
@florianherrmann4093
@florianherrmann4093 3 года назад
Yes! I wrote something similar under “Damon Warron’s” post. It s just the worst camera comparison I have ever seen..
@VictorKDurand
@VictorKDurand 3 года назад
ok ok.. point taken. thank you for the insight btw. my guess is that the video is mostly aimed at amateurs or 'enthusiast' cinematographers (even if he glances over the idea for professionals to have this as a 2nd or 3rd camera), who are not yet fully into the 'real deal' if that makes sense. they have less demands and expect less from gear, and specifically want a good image to begin with : P I know this because I am really in love with photography and cinematography but far far from being pro. Therefore I am immensely impressed by the video quality footage, and some shots almost fooled me. But yea ok it's obviously 60k vs 3k. Obviously there is more to it, I think this has to be clear, and I doubt the guys making the video are unaware of it.
@video422
@video422 3 года назад
I don't agree! lot of people in cinema industry are emotional about there choice . One of the least reliable camera is the RED but it's has a strong followers. Sony has a long tradition in Live tv broadcast industry and known for their reliability.
@navireljan1857
@navireljan1857 3 года назад
Man this is probably one of the biggest and newest comparison so far!!!!
@timaragon1523
@timaragon1523 3 года назад
Amazing, insightful! Please post more comparisons of other cameras in the A7III class vs the Hollywood Beasts. Thanks Again!
@tomasribas2541
@tomasribas2541 3 года назад
Great content! I have a a7III and it is a really good camera, but I've been thinking about the a7sIII, specially because of the external 16-bit RAW. Could you do a review/comparrison/test/whatever with the RAW footage? (sry about spelling, english is not my native language)
@ThoughtSpirals
@ThoughtSpirals 3 года назад
7:40 "our aperture settings weren't exactly the same" lol understatement of the week. Using two VERY different lenses makes it nottt a particularly even comparison
@Jsfilmz
@Jsfilmz 3 года назад
yea this was dumb comparing with different lenses lol wtf
@aboodabulaban2867
@aboodabulaban2867 3 года назад
not really
@katlis
@katlis 3 года назад
@@Jsfilmz I think the point of the comparison is using a consumer camera with a consumer lens versus a cinema camera with a cinema lens. How many people are going to adapt a $20,000 lens to their Sony Alpha?
@MrLambda48
@MrLambda48 3 года назад
@@katlis They could at least have matched focal lenght and fstop
@xWood4000
@xWood4000 3 года назад
I agree, but the differences were not obscured, so doesn't matter very much. The color of the lens elements did almost certainly impact the tests
@mobster7434
@mobster7434 3 года назад
Yes please! More A7SIII content!! Great vid, thanks!!
@matthewchute5514
@matthewchute5514 3 года назад
Really curious how those comparisons would have been with the same lens? I can see a slight color shift between my tamron, Sony, and rokinon lenses so I wonder how much of that contributed to the results of these tests. I know you used the same lens for the ISO Test, did you notice the same color issues during that test? Thanks!! Really cool comparison!
@xWood4000
@xWood4000 3 года назад
There can be a massive difference, but I think the conclusions would be the same from all the color tests
@rollingchilling
@rollingchilling 3 года назад
nice. liked and subscribed.
@Jon_bodhi
@Jon_bodhi 3 года назад
I guess what camera you use wont really matter too much moving forward. Love this comparison!
@miyahtallulah
@miyahtallulah 3 года назад
Great video. Your glasses. Brand? Looking for the same.
@ramdogproductions
@ramdogproductions 3 года назад
Love it!! Waiting on the A7s iii to arrive any day now. This is all really helping me understand my new baby. What are strategies I can do to minimize the magenta? Shoot more stuff with red or less for example? Or in Resolve capture skin tones and correct after reducing magenta? THNX!! Amazing work and ability to make videos fun ;-)
@mohamadmikati4053
@mohamadmikati4053 3 года назад
This is insaneee😍
@guerrerosdigitales
@guerrerosdigitales 3 года назад
A few questions: 1) What profile would you recommend to use in the Siii? is slog3 really the best option? 2) Are you happy with the colors and should I get a LUT like Leeming's for color correction? if not, how do I make sure I get the best colors. 3) Which is the easiest way to shoot great videos with the Siii? can I use it in movie mode default?
@stevenkralovec
@stevenkralovec 3 года назад
Duuuude that square space ad was gold 😂 👌🏼
@indymogul
@indymogul 3 года назад
Lol thanks!
@lucaslife2293
@lucaslife2293 3 года назад
holly shit, amazing. Literally it's my dream camera the siii. And it was difficult to set a difference between both cameras. Nice vid. I loved it. Cheers!
3 года назад
I love the iso test.
@andyrechenberg
@andyrechenberg 3 года назад
I like the a7SIII in both cases. The test versus the Venice was a easier because it feels the IBIS was a giveaway. Thanks for the comparison.
@Dartheomus
@Dartheomus 3 года назад
Great comparison video! The A7SIII stacked up well, though the yellows appeared to really over-saturate. One question about the magenta shift: I completely saw what you meant when you pulled the magenta out and messed up the grade entirely. Do you think, rather than subtract it away, if you compressed it in a specific region (maybe in the darks) that you could get rid of the magenta look without damaging skin tones?
@sergiosanchez2012
@sergiosanchez2012 Год назад
Yes... Thats the best way to it, using a special node and substract the magenta on the shadows... Or the fastest, using an IR filters. Expensive cameras has IR lowpass filter on the sensor, the cheap cameras doesnt.
@Dartheomus
@Dartheomus Год назад
@@sergiosanchez2012 Cool! Thanks for the confirmation!
@javajack-1
@javajack-1 3 года назад
Really enjoyed this comparison. I’ve had the new A7S3 for a few weeks and have shot a couple of commercials with excellent results. Am not seeing the magenta issue of previous cameras here. How are you processing the footage, Davinci Resolve? Assume S-Gamut3 to Rec709? I used DSC color charts to test when I first received and don’t see magenta there, either.
@alwinbenjamin
@alwinbenjamin 2 года назад
Bless you sir. 🙌🏻
@camicees
@camicees 3 года назад
Dave is killing it as the new host!
@eastonchang
@eastonchang 3 года назад
This is the best quality, practical and entertaining video on the A7S3 by far.
@nyambe
@nyambe 3 года назад
I would love to see: the same team, the same assignment, 3 different cameras.
@indymogul
@indymogul 3 года назад
Great idea!
@fantagaming2190
@fantagaming2190 3 года назад
but same lenses
@neofilm
@neofilm 3 года назад
Yeah, like with the xt4!
@aarontech
@aarontech 3 года назад
good review, itching to see a7Siii vs BMPCC 4k & 6k tho *nudge nudge* :P
@alex.muntean
@alex.muntean 3 года назад
Hi Dave. Yes, I would like to see how the other picture profiles in the A7SIII stack up (No PP, Movie, Cine2/4 and especially HLG3 with Rec709) . I use the A7III and different profiles look different to each other. Thanks!
@GeoffreyGonzales
@GeoffreyGonzales 3 года назад
i hâte 😦 these thumbnails
3 года назад
That ISO test result is mindblowing 😱
@hazemeido3567
@hazemeido3567 3 года назад
Do you think this skintones issue can be solved if we go with the prores raw ?
@dadverb
@dadverb 3 года назад
VERY excited to upgrade to the A7SIII
@loudandclearmedia
@loudandclearmedia 3 года назад
Would love to see some interior shots with blowing windows to really flex that highlight rolloff. I suspect the differences would then be more pronounced in favor of the cine cams.
@oliver_peng
@oliver_peng 3 года назад
Nice video! I was able to guess the Arri and Venice on both tests with a high degree of confidence. Since dynamic range wasn't an issue, the giveaway was the color science, especially how they reacted to artificial lighting. The A7S3 had a much stronger yellow cast any time artificial lights came into play. See 1:50, 2:31, 2:51. You see the same issues in the low light test; the purple kicker light looks super electric on the A7S3. Next, skin tones. At 5:32, 5:40, the Venice has a much nicer skin tone whereas the A7S3 he has a strong yellow cast on his right cheek. Same at 6:34. In the low light test, his skin looks anemic in the A7S3. Lastly color palette. The A7S3 has more electric saturated "video" colors, whereas the Arri and Sony have a more "filmic" color palette. You can really see it in the yellows, blues, and greens. (2:09, 2:48 for how blues compare, 5:47, 6:57 for how yellows & greens compare).
@AdemVessell
@AdemVessell 3 года назад
hmm. It appears that green was introduced when correcting the A7Siii. I could tell instantly which was which, focus and textures and stability aside just due to whatever happened with the color. To be frank the siii is killer, i will be getting one...but I really wasn't the biggest fan of any of the colors or shots from these comparisons of any of the cameras lol....no matter still love y'all! and THANKS for the peek
@indymogul
@indymogul 3 года назад
Thanks for the comment!
@scottgmaclean
@scottgmaclean 3 года назад
Thanks for the comparison test. I guessed the wrong camera! The footage from the Sony looked more “organic” than I expected. Kudos to your colour correction too... subtle yet “filmic”! The ultimate takeaway: sony A7Siii is a beast. I am keen to see the Canon C70 and Sony fx6... and then decide my next camera purchase!
@Danielevans2
@Danielevans2 3 года назад
I WAS CONVINCED THAT SONY FOOTAGE WAS THE ARRI!! THAT'S INSANE!
@IvanGRANID
@IvanGRANID 3 года назад
Absolutely Great!!!!!! cant see any difference!
@dlyon9673
@dlyon9673 3 года назад
Thanks for a great review. I look forward to a comparison of the A7 SIII with the new Canon EOS C70!
@amdenis
@amdenis 3 года назад
Yup, especially when we dropped the audio to our 12-bit ATOMOS and linear 16-bit NL recorder, it was pushable beyond our 2019 C500 and the footage from rented F35 and S35 ARRI's that we have. And was a lot less problematic in terms of overheating than our RED and no noise to boot! It is just a pure pleasure to work with these amazing little powerhouse mirrorless cams; and even the 10-bit ProRes makes several of our moderately expensive cams fairly irrelevant. We had to return the eval, but ordered 4 A7SIII's, a bunch of parfocal and vintage cine and stilld glass and after selling the other Canons, two BM 4K Production EF's, a RED and related gear, we liberated a lot of money. And we went 100% 10Gbit backbone to RAID 60's, added DANTE AV and allocated budget for a VFX editor and new bay. When you add to the fact that we will likely be saving a few people's backs, the initial week we spent coming up with custom LUT's and scripts makes the new SONY a no-brainer for us. THANK YOU SONY!
@cassianpeterson1830
@cassianpeterson1830 3 года назад
Hi! How Are You? I'm good ☆ which camera did you used to record and compare the cameras? please answer me!🙂🙏🙏👏 me from Brazil 🇧🇷🇧🇷
@FTGTapGod
@FTGTapGod 3 года назад
I'd love to see a similar video with the Z Cam F6!
@tbuelna
@tbuelna 3 года назад
When the image is so close, that 60k vs $3500 is a no-brainer. Again, I realize RU-vid compression, but damn!!! Sony all day!!
@NafisAhmed73
@NafisAhmed73 3 года назад
thanksfor showing us a real world comparison/usecase.. and that squarespace ad on point as always :v
@dorokhovos
@dorokhovos 3 года назад
Honestly, I so don't care about the cameras but I'm so enjoying Dave's editing and vibes!
@mahartman
@mahartman 2 года назад
12bit @ 4444 is the piece that is hard to lose from the Alexa for me, but the Sony camera in the right situations looks great! Something to say about versatility versus portability, and that the gap is getting smaller. The Alexa is a weapon, plain and simple- it is such a versatile camera and can be stretched so far on the day and in the grade. But these smaller cameras are making something really impressive! Still gotta hone your skills to make an image great, but the right tools are always a great place to start. Preaching to myself 😌
@ThatBeAaron
@ThatBeAaron 3 года назад
Jesus the production behind this video is crazy, hoping my vids will reach their soon!
@BlackEagle352
@BlackEagle352 3 года назад
This is nice and all, but RU-vid compression makes it difficult to judge.
@prayforpeace2204
@prayforpeace2204 3 года назад
Exactly... so it really doesn’t matter what you use eh
@philpritchard5173
@philpritchard5173 3 года назад
Great video thanks. Would love to compare Alexa, Ursa G2, BMPCC 4k with A7S111?
@kenkamara
@kenkamara 3 года назад
can you tell me what your shoot settings were for each camera?
@ElectricAirStudios
@ElectricAirStudios 3 года назад
Please make that full review! Thank you Indy Mogul!
@mpcbsar
@mpcbsar 3 года назад
Just looked at the focusing and was able to tell which was which between the a7s3 and arri. The comparison between the two sonys were much more difficult.
@JasonDavid9
@JasonDavid9 3 года назад
Can you do a raw video comparison of all 3 camera's in the future?
@indymogul
@indymogul 3 года назад
Absolutely!
@jayel27
@jayel27 3 года назад
Great review. Any reason why you shoot vlog style footage instead of maybe doc style or even a scene from a short film? We know the A7s iii is a great camera. The other two cameras are not being used for vlogs. Would love to see it in a different use case. Thanks for the comparison 👊🏽
@richarddzisiewski7197
@richarddzisiewski7197 3 года назад
Now that's a very interesting comparison that will be debated for a while for sure...can't wait to get my hands on the A7siii. Nice piece
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