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Sony Betacam: Not the Beta you're thinking of (it's way better) 

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00:00 Intro
02:58 A closer look
04:50 The Beta / VHS Format War
11:33 Picture Quality Comparison
15:15 Home Video
17:41 What Betacam Is
21:52 Why videotape is usually pretty bad
25:57 More heads is more better
27:20 Three signals with two heads?
31:15 The tape moves really fast - this is a problem
32:40 Sony's ridiculous solution
34:28 Using the machine
37:31 Betacam's competition
39:42 bloops

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@scott8919
@scott8919 Год назад
I love Alec's snark. It's part of his charm.
@Alec_Reaper
@Alec_Reaper Год назад
Thanks
@Delivery_Boy_Roy
@Delivery_Boy_Roy Год назад
@@Alec_Reaper hi you sneak, wrong alec
@aaronstanley6914
@aaronstanley6914 Год назад
Love that he doesn't care that the old VHS and batamax recordings make him look like he hasn't slept in a month.
@jasonsteffens354
@jasonsteffens354 Год назад
I was today years old when I learned his name. And I’ve been watching for years…..
@zombieregime
@zombieregime Год назад
Totally part of what keeps my attention actually eyes on watching his videos, instead of putting them on and fiddling with a project at my desk, gotta pay attention to catch those quick snarky quips one liners puns and straight up trolls he slips in both where they fit perfectly and when you least expect them 🤣
@neilugaddan
@neilugaddan Год назад
This really is my favorite channel. No unnecessary music. Straight to the point with a little history and with actual object. And the humor.
@winterwatson6811
@winterwatson6811 Год назад
no unnecessary music, but sadly also no unnecessary puppet show. rip techmoan’s skits, killed by youtube thinking that puppets=children’s content
@hipithautaa
@hipithautaa Год назад
No music is the best thing ever.
@JohnLee-ue6gy
@JohnLee-ue6gy Год назад
Incompatibly smooth jazz is the most necessary of music.
@the_undead
@the_undead Год назад
​@@JohnLee-ue6gy I think they're talking about during the video and not the end
@gblargg
@gblargg Год назад
Ugh, the humor is what makes me watch significantly less of this channel. I want to let my attention be drawn towards the subject matter, not the presenter.
@williamwong5627
@williamwong5627 11 месяцев назад
I was a cameraman during the mid 80s. We were using the Betacam cameras that cost $70000 each. When shooting outdoor, we had to carry the cameras along during lunchtime. We were forbidden to leave the cameras in the vehicle. The Betacam PAL tape ran for 20 minutes only. So at 19 minutes recording point, I had to alert my other partner to focus on the subject. Because I need to replace it with fresh blank tape. Those were the days.
@SoloPilot6
@SoloPilot6 8 месяцев назад
I was a shooter when DVCAM first arrived (was actually part of the testing for Sony). Try shooting in the field with $95,000 on your shoulder! I bought one of a LATER generation of Sony DVCAM camcorders several years ago for $300 (and now I'm on XDCAM)..
@DanteYewToob
@DanteYewToob 7 месяцев назад
Dude… that’s nuts! The most expensive thing I’ve ever held was a 20k medical device at a hospital that they let me look at after my surgery, and I didn’t even want to touch it… I couldn’t even imagine carrying around a Porsche all day, worrying I might drop it or something! Haha I never realized that those news cameras were so expensive! I knew they’d cost a lot, but I figured maybe like 10k or so… Did you know how expensive it was when you started, or find out later? Or was your boss like “That’s a 70,000$ camera, and if you break it you’d better flee the country.”? Haha
@SoloPilot6
@SoloPilot6 7 месяцев назад
@@DanteYewToob In our case, the Sony tech rep showed the declared value when it cleared Customs. All told, the two camcorders and the editing deck cost more than the station had cost to put on the air!
@fuzzywzhe
@fuzzywzhe 7 месяцев назад
I'm an engineer and worked for RCA in the 1990's. Looking back at this stuff, it just seems, depressing to be honest. All this junk we worked on, all replaced by digital video encoding. I wouldn't want to go back to these bad old days. It's just all so enormously primitive. The idea we had analogue, and I remember when the MP2 format was finalized. In the early 1990's, we needed a million dollar machine to convert analog into MP2 digital. Now that runs on a $75 toy machine.
@thedave7760
@thedave7760 6 месяцев назад
@@SoloPilot6 DVCAM cameras were not worth the same as Betacam cameras no where near. The whole reason the BBC went with DVCAM was because they were roughly than half price of what the SP Betas and DigiBetas had cost even If it was no where near a good as DigiBeta and not quite as good as analogue SP.
@acdclover6143
@acdclover6143 11 месяцев назад
I love the camera shake when he sets the two tape recorders on the table. It really shows how heavy they were
@gkkarthic1978
@gkkarthic1978 10 месяцев назад
The studio versions were a LOT heavier! the DWM2000s were the standard when I worked and weighed as much as 35-40 kg
@user-lx3th5on8l
@user-lx3th5on8l 2 месяца назад
Ha they were built like tanks 😅
@mikkowilson2
@mikkowilson2 Год назад
One other *tiiny tiny little* difference between Betamax & Betacam for professional use is that Betacam has a timecode track, which is critical for professional video editing where the ability to reference any specific frame of video is a necessity.
@TechnologyConnections
@TechnologyConnections Год назад
Arrgh! I should have included this in the script. Oh well!
@mikkowilson2
@mikkowilson2 Год назад
@@TechnologyConnections If only RU-vid had the same editing features of Betacam...
@mikkowilson2
@mikkowilson2 Год назад
(I mean other than audio replacement, video filtering, non-destructive trimming & clipping, and a full suit of closed captioning tools that RU-vid offers. ... But no TeleText support.)
@SeanBZA
@SeanBZA Год назад
@@TechnologyConnections Plus your edit deck has a provision for at least 2 players, and a recorder, with jog shuttle wheels for precise setting of edit points, which, in conjunction with the frame store on a lot of them, also allowed near seamless switching between different players, allowing you to have near zero blank frames between cuts. For the stand alone player you also got a wired remote, plugged in the back (and common across almost the entire range in connection and function, ignoring advanced features on older players without locking them up), and which gave you full control, including slow frame, jog, and also, on the later players with frame store on board, full variable speed slow motion, and reverse slow motion as well. Did horrid things with drive motor timing, in that it would have to play a frame, reverse to the previous frame, and drive forward to the next frame, all in the interval between frames. But you got that magic slow mo so beloved of sports commentators, allowing you to scrub forward and back for instant replay. Destroyed the tape fast though with it sitting there rubbing on a single spot though if you did it for long, so sports recordings they would have 2, overlapping the time in record for a minute or so, so you could rewind the one while the other recorded, so you always had at least the last 20 minutes of video to use for a blow by blow play. Then you need to speak about the digital recorders, exact same tape, exact same play mechanism, and with analogue playback ability on them, but recording could be fully digital, including full multichannel audio, with the audio tracks only there as guard band, so they got the audio 2 channel downmix if wanted.
@FirstLast-gw5mg
@FirstLast-gw5mg Год назад
I'm guessing that the timecode track was also a necessity for accurately cutting and splicing together the two-components-multiplexed-on-a-single-head video track that was mentioned.
@kedo
@kedo 11 месяцев назад
I don't know how you do it, but you manage to make me watch a 40 minute video on something I never cared about once in my life, and you do it consistently. Never seen a channel keep up this quality before, its insane. I love your work man.
@spange_babs9130
@spange_babs9130 11 месяцев назад
He even tells you that the video doesn't matter right in the beginning, yet here we are at the end of the video 😂
@oldbones9205
@oldbones9205 11 месяцев назад
Man, you said a mouth full; about halfway in I thought, why the hell am I watching this; while I lived through the whole BETA VHS period, and remember the BETA and VHS sides of the video store, the fine points I just learned were never of concern to me; however, I watched every last second, then subbed. I do remember people saying BETA was better, but had both machines at one time or the other, and saw no noticeable difference in picture quality.
@ronald4life1
@ronald4life1 11 месяцев назад
Amazes me too... Top notch energy and technical information in a great format that doesn't feel like it's dumbing it down (too much).
@truckerdave8465
@truckerdave8465 11 месяцев назад
He gets me every single time. ‘I don’t care this much about dishwashers’ but then I sit though not one but two long dishwasher videos. I don’t care about this either. I’m gonna watch every minute anyhow.
@GeoffDeGeoff
@GeoffDeGeoff 11 месяцев назад
I literally had to go back and check that it was 40 minutes after reading your comment. It did not feel like 40 minutes at all!
@davidelupi6523
@davidelupi6523 11 месяцев назад
I started working in a tv studio this month and there's still a beta VCR in use, a much newer one with mpeg encoding (MSW-A2000P). On the first week they asked me to digitalize an old Betacam L cassette from '86 and with me being born in '95 and grown up with cartoons recorded on VHS from satellite TV i was absolutely blown away for how good the signal looked. Something i never witnessed with consumer analog PAL
@AndyGraceMedia
@AndyGraceMedia 11 месяцев назад
The DVW and MSW-A2000P decks are brilliant. So much stuff very high end technology in there for the time. The A means it's compatible with all the previous analogue formats going right back to Betacam Oxide (before SP) as well as digital Betacam SX and Digital Betacam/MPEG IMX formats. Necessary for a pro TV station with a huge back-catalogue of tapes. There was a good reason those high-end machines cost $100,000 when new.
@electrictroy2010
@electrictroy2010 10 месяцев назад
You know those DVDs you buy or rent with favorite shows like Star Trek TNG or Seinfeld or Friends? ALL of those shows were edited & stored on Betacam SP. Basically DVD quality on analog tape.
@OrangeYTT
@OrangeYTT 7 месяцев назад
​​@@electrictroy2010All 3 of those shows were shot on 35mm film. They were probably transferred onto Beta SP back in the day for broadcast. But since they still have the film reel, they can be scanned well past 4k today.
@chrissyclark7836
@chrissyclark7836 7 месяцев назад
Pal was an amazing standard. The 25fps was closer to film so movies always looked better than NTSC. Pal, being the newer format also had 100 extra lines. I got to watch a straight from BBC archive transfer of a tom baker episode of dr who and the quality was amazing. Interesting bit of trivia. BBC use at least a half dozen tape systems over 40 years before settling on Betacam. The most terrifying used a metal tape... which when running full speed, you couldn't be in the room. If the tape snapped if would kill you.
@dunebasher1971
@dunebasher1971 7 месяцев назад
@@chrissyclark7836 The BBC never used metal tape for video recording. I suspect you're thinking of VERA, which is often erroneously claimed to have used metal tape, but actually used regular recording tape, one reel of which still survives on its distinctive metal spool at the Science Museum in London. The dangerous machines were the audio recorders which used steel wire running at high speed.
@danielharvey1489
@danielharvey1489 11 месяцев назад
As a pro video editor since the 90's I worked all the way from Betacam SP, M2, BetaSX and DigiBeta. Watching this was a joy. Nothing beats those buttons, the sounds of the transports and the fast winding. Many thanks for his video and great channel.
@AJSHOPE
@AJSHOPE 10 месяцев назад
I worked for Game Creek Video (mobile television trucking company) until the end of 2008 and even though HD was pretty standard already, I remember the Betacam (or variation of it, I don't remember what was being used at the time as I was just an engineer, not part of the production).
@Techtronos
@Techtronos 10 месяцев назад
@@AJSHOPE broadcast television was in transition to HD during 2008. Upgrading an entire park of cameras to HD was hell of investment. And keep in mind thousands of tapes in the archive that had to be accessible. Pretty sure a lot of big TV facilities still have dozens of those in operation.
@electrictroy2010
@electrictroy2010 10 месяцев назад
Broadcast TV started broadcasting HD in 1998. Each station was assigned an NTSC channel for analog and ATSC channel for digital HD .
@Techtronos
@Techtronos 10 месяцев назад
@@electrictroy2010 CNN transitioned to HD in 2007 or so. In late ninetees high-end CRT TV were just too good to switch to HD TVs of that era. So while HD broadcast was possible it was not worth to ugrade yet.
@nicolausteslaus
@nicolausteslaus 9 месяцев назад
As a black and homosexual transgender muslim, I totally agree!
@nathanjwill
@nathanjwill Год назад
The delightful light-up buttons have another purpose: When the deck is being controlled from outside (via the "Remote" DB9 connector on the back), such as during editing operations, the lights would indicate what the deck was being told to do. (I spent a summer working in a video studio at the tail end of the linear editing era, and we had Panasonic M-II and S-VHS editing decks being controlled from editing software on a Windows desktop; the array of blinkenlights on the decks during an edit run was mesmerizing).
@Thebrainymonkey
@Thebrainymonkey Год назад
There was a company in Oxford that used MII. I'd never seen it before. When they were sent BetaSP tapes from their clients, some runner was sent to me to dub every tape from BetaSP to their portable MII deck.
@NielMalan
@NielMalan Год назад
As one of my mentors said, after I'd half-apologised for spending some time and effort adding LED indicators to a simple split power supply: more indicators is never a mistake.
@hammondeggsmusic
@hammondeggsmusic Год назад
Ahh M-II. I did a co-op in school at a studio that had m2 machines and an Amiga with a video toaster. It could control the m2 machine and record individual frames (was neat to watch it rewind, play and briefly blink the record led to record the frame) from lightwave 3D. Had lots of fun setting up overnight renders with that!
@darrennew8211
@darrennew8211 Год назад
I worked at the phone company research arm (Bellcore) during the early MPEG days (as in, back when it took hours per minute to compress mpeg). We had a whole rack of these recorders so we could have the original input and compare it to the compressed levels. That's when I learned how to use the color bars.
@xmlthegreat
@xmlthegreat Год назад
​@@darrennew8211 okay so we have some really experienced old timers coming in here to give their knowledge. Appreciate it!
@VenomousCamel
@VenomousCamel Год назад
Those Beta/VHS/Modern transitions don't get enough love. They're excellently executed!
@rockwithjerry
@rockwithjerry Год назад
Totally agree sir! That kind of editing is not easy.. he just makes it look that way!
@Wtfinc
@Wtfinc Год назад
The beta is clearly worse quality. How could anyone mistake it. I dig beta and im kinda sad it is so crap compared to vhs
@rommbb
@rommbb Год назад
@@Wtfinc probably masked by low quality TV's. captured digitally it's obvious to see the differences, but i would imagine on a 15-20in CRT set, you probably would have a harder time picking out all the differences
@bergauk
@bergauk Год назад
@@Wtfinc Truly not nearly as good as LASERDISC
@vocabpope
@vocabpope Год назад
Jaw dropped
@basicfacekick
@basicfacekick 11 месяцев назад
I love the format wars. You have groups of engineers pulling out all the stops to out-do their competitors and it ultimately brings more value to the consumers. Brilliant minds at work that aren't making weapons of war or having to solve some unsolvable societal problem... just answer the questions of can Dad can record his entire football game and can Nan record one of her stories while watching another.
@yommish
@yommish 5 месяцев назад
Yeah forget those unsolvable actual problems facing society, we want better consumer goods.
@crowth9639
@crowth9639 3 месяца назад
@@yommish dog, the sony/jvc/matsushita engineers ain't gonna stop cancer even if they were put to the task lmfao
@ssh3mk
@ssh3mk 11 месяцев назад
The analog mechanisms needed to make it work at all is astonishing. Man, digital era solved not only the quality, but simplified everything down to a micro level. Also there is a happy bug crawling around at 11:35
@villz1267
@villz1267 10 месяцев назад
If you only knew just the insane level of those microprocessors that accomplished this... The complexity wasn't removed. it was multiplied and outsourced to another industry :P
@electrictroy2010
@electrictroy2010 10 месяцев назад
Processors have advantage of being printable using a photomask & etching. Reduces cost vs. complicated analog board filled with discrete resisters, potentiometers, etc
@electrictroy2010
@electrictroy2010 10 месяцев назад
Digital format is also easier to edit downto the pixel level. That was never possible with analog. Digital is also more compact: Handheld video recorders in a phone vs. bulky S-VHSC camcorders
@villz1267
@villz1267 10 месяцев назад
@@electrictroy2010 How many million engineering hours go into each buddy
@sergiomendez9231
@sergiomendez9231 9 месяцев назад
How delightful! Looks like a lady bug! Didn't catch that the first time, so thanks!
@johncroll1467
@johncroll1467 Год назад
Former master control operator and engineer from the 1990s here - thanks for taking me back in time! We had Sony BVW-40s (Betacam but not SP) before we expanded to a couple more SP units. They were built to be serviced- they came with service manuals in big binders written in endearing Engrish. We also had extender boards, so one of those circuit boards could be pulled out, slide the extender in its place, then slide the board into it while bench servicing if the procedure called for it. They use special screws called Totsu which is sort of like a flathead but has a little tension finder on it so it could hold the screw without being magnetic. I used to run around with a clipboard to take down the hour meter readings as I cleaned the heads on a weekly basis so we could track our preventative maintenance schedule by replacing the brushes and slip rings on the head, heads, pinch rollers, etc etc…. If you ever wondered how commercials used to work in the 90s, we had a Sony Betacart. It’s a giant refrigerator sized thing, with four side loading Betacam players, and a vertical bank of 40 cassette holders, and (the best part) a robotic elevator that whisked up and down jockeying the tapes. The tapes were barcoded and the whole thing was managed by a central computer terminal with a floppy disk drive that predated HD diskettes, so we had a finite stash of DD disks. OK, you’re bored by now….
@xerothedarkstar
@xerothedarkstar Год назад
So that scene from Hackers was actually accurate? Edit: if that was what you were doing in the 90's you probably weren't in the target audience for that flick, my bad for assuming. The scene itself is basically two people fighting remotely for control of the automated tape changer.
@suamme1
@suamme1 Год назад
I used to run company backups to a robotic DLT-IV data tape library and watching and controlling the arm was the best part about changing the weekly backup tapes. It was eventually replaced by a 1U LTO library that was completely enclosed and not nearly as much fun (but much faster with fewer tapes).
@david.mcmahan
@david.mcmahan Год назад
Not bored at all. I toured our local TV station back in that era and have been fascinated by broadcast equipment ever since.
@tvdan1043
@tvdan1043 Год назад
Former master control and tape room op from 1993-2006 here. I can still hear that Betacart elevator in my sleep sometimes. Mostly it's in nightmares though because it would be the sound the damn thing made when it jammed, followed by the alarm. CHKZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ... BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP The Betacart was a huge step up from the old TCR machines, but it was temperamental in its own way.
@mspysu79
@mspysu79 Год назад
@@xerothedarkstar Hackers was kind of accurate, first of all in the movie it was U-Matic, and a Betacart machine just used a clamp on the end of the robotic arm to grasp the cassette, not the overly complex but cool looking mechanism used in hackers.
@SmellTheCheeeez
@SmellTheCheeeez Год назад
I love how the Betamax player literally shook the camera when you *thunked* it down on the table.
@DavidBurstrom
@DavidBurstrom Год назад
Or it literally shook the video editor 😉
@SmellTheCheeeez
@SmellTheCheeeez Год назад
@@DavidBurstrom shhhhhhhhhhhhh, it’s funnier this way
@voca-chan7953
@voca-chan7953 Год назад
That's how you know it was built with quality parts and the build quality of an absolute tank.
@robfenwitch7403
@robfenwitch7403 Год назад
Betacam surely
@iamafish7
@iamafish7 Год назад
He didn't even thunk it down. He placed it gently and it still asserted its dominance over the room.
@raymondhuot1684
@raymondhuot1684 11 месяцев назад
As a electronic technician for over 30 years, I have worked on these machines and on camcorder as well. Your video is worth listening, it is a reference !
@jobinjon
@jobinjon 11 месяцев назад
I only have 17 years in myself, but I concur.
@hitmusicworldwide
@hitmusicworldwide 9 месяцев назад
Do you service BSP decks? I'm looking for a repair service . Hard to find!
@gleep23
@gleep23 10 месяцев назад
I cannot imagine how much work this was for you, but seeing you seamlessly transition between current digital technology, and Betamax, VHS, and Betacam, really great work! Thank you so much for your work.
@The8BitGuy
@The8BitGuy Год назад
This was cool. I actually didn't know anything about how betacam worked. Funny story, when I was a kid, I used to record my Commodore 64 onto VHS and I could never understand why the quality looked so bad on playback. Because with regular TV recordings, which usually don't display small text and fine pixel arrangements, I simply couldn't tell that the quality was lower.
@redmatrix
@redmatrix Год назад
It's great to see you here, David. I like it when my favorite youtubers interact with one another!
@jettesides420
@jettesides420 Год назад
I totally read this in Davids voice.
@Bann
@Bann 11 месяцев назад
Same
@utkua
@utkua 11 месяцев назад
this man screen captured before it was even a thing.
@sylpisophia5612
@sylpisophia5612 11 месяцев назад
heyo, I also follow your channel :D
@Steets
@Steets Год назад
The level of snark in this one is a sight to behold. Thanks again for an awesome video, Alec!
@FaizCaliph
@FaizCaliph Год назад
😅
@ndratzlaff
@ndratzlaff Год назад
You can tell by how their names are different 😂
@2ndfloorsongs
@2ndfloorsongs 11 месяцев назад
All hail the 🦈 SnarkMaster! 🦈
@MikxPerson
@MikxPerson Месяц назад
Alec Benjamin?
@jasonsouliere703
@jasonsouliere703 11 месяцев назад
I lived through the VHS - BETA wars as a kid and ended up professionally producing broadcast video using U-Matic then eventually those 1800 machines. I preferred using those to cut video over the DVCam decks we upgraded to. Something you might find cool to try is entering the Service Mode on that 1800. You can activate every single solenoid and motor in the unit to prove each is working. I sometimes had to enter that mode to get a stubborn tape to eject. Still have one in my basement destined for the e-recycler I’m afraid. Anyhow thanks for the video.
@razzledazzle4860
@razzledazzle4860 10 дней назад
I was a broadcast engineer in the 90's, and serviced many a Sony BetaCam VTR and camcorder. To this day, I've never seen or worked on anything as electromechanically complex, yet elegant, as the Sony BVW-75 VTR! Those dynamic tracking video heads were incredible, but replacing the upper rotating video drum assembly on them, was a day long job LOL! Thank you for the stroll down memory lane :)
@johnnyc.31
@johnnyc.31 11 месяцев назад
Fun fact: Professional Beta (DigiBeta & HDcam) was still going strong in the 2000s, but died very suddenly - not because hard drives were better yet, but because the Tsunami in Japan destroyed Sony production facilities & created a worldwide shortage of Beta tapes. Post houses had to figure out other ways to ship masters to stations. People were hoarding tapes for special projects that absolutely needed them, especially large tapes (hard drives were quite small & expensive for lengthy broadcast masters, especially HD data sizes). It was an interesting time in the industry. I remember having to call around to different shops and pay THEM to make a master for us just so we could use their remaining tape stash.
@SirrelSquirrel
@SirrelSquirrel 11 месяцев назад
I remember this, literally forced the entire industry to change workflows overnight
@jobinjon
@jobinjon 11 месяцев назад
I built a 2110 playout facility. Yet we had to put in the IMX and SR decks as we still have the odd advertiser who sends a tape, or the SD reruns for the afternoon that still mostly are on SX.
@electrictroy2010
@electrictroy2010 10 месяцев назад
2011 that was the year of the tsunami. Also note professionals use betaCAM which is completely different from consumer betamax .
@SirrelSquirrel
@SirrelSquirrel 10 месяцев назад
Ha, in the comment he's talking about 2110 which is where you use data cables and network switches to send video around a facility rather than traditional video cables and video routers. Yet despite that change some customers still use tapes, in this case Sony IMX and HDCAM-SR which were both successors to Betacam.
@grafeugenius
@grafeugenius 8 месяцев назад
that's... a tragic yet intriguingly awesome way to have your era ended. literally died because of a natural disaster.
@Vinemaple
@Vinemaple 11 месяцев назад
Thank you so much... this was an indie-documentary tour de force! I'd forgotten how relaxing and enjoyable it is to just sit and listen to you talk over my head about fantastically ingenious consumer engineering!
@cowprez
@cowprez 11 месяцев назад
BOTH formats are so incredibly mechanical that it is a wonder how they worked at all. All the mechanics of wrapping the tape around the head - are amazing. I remember you had to be careful 'watching' the video while fast-forwarding because the head would heat up (I think). Good stream. I never knew Betacam was a thing. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.
@jamesisaac7684
@jamesisaac7684 11 месяцев назад
Watch the older video. He explained how it was done in as simple way as possible by him.
@electrictroy2010
@electrictroy2010 10 месяцев назад
The rotating drum is already spinning very fast. It can handle the friction-caused heat as it scrapes past the tape.
@becauseimafan
@becauseimafan 10 месяцев назад
​@@jamesisaac7684I second this recommendation! It's a great video 😁
@dunebasher1971
@dunebasher1971 7 месяцев назад
I worked with Beta-SP and DigiBeta for over 15 years, and there were never issues with FFWD or RWD heating up the heads. Possibly that was only in the very earliest machines.
@owenvogelgesang7314
@owenvogelgesang7314 Год назад
Finally! Someone attempts to clear up the Betamax vs Betacam confusion. The amount of times I've had to explain that Max and Cam are entirely different formats is too damn high
@andrew_koala2974
@andrew_koala2974 Год назад
The 'Number' of times NOT the amount of times NUMBER refers to QUANTITY / COUNT AMOUNT refers to WEIGHT Undertake an extensive reading program to better educate yourself and improve your knowledge of the English language
@schrodingerscat3741
@schrodingerscat3741 Год назад
@@andrew_koala2974 Seriously?
@Figitarian
@Figitarian Год назад
​@@andrew_koala2974 Amount is a totally acceptable word to use in this case. It doesn't just apply to weight, not sure where you got that from. Amount is generally used to describe uncountable values; number countable ones. And since how many times you have dealt with the same question isn't something most people would keep track of, "amount" seems like a totally valid word to use.
@Lucien86
@Lucien86 Год назад
@@Figitarian Great answer. The number is when the number is small and countable. The amount when its become a volume.. 😄
@Galerak1
@Galerak1 Год назад
@@Figitarian Let the errorists have their fun, it only makes them look infantile.
@mikkowilson2
@mikkowilson2 Год назад
Fun fact: One other use of Betacam (& UMatic) was to (by way of extra equipment) record audio to Betacam tape as a PCM digital audio signal, as a precursor to DAT, in the process of mastering early CDs ... With the digital audio sample rate of 44.1kHz (that we still use today) set in part by the constraints of recording onto video equipment. So if you stumble across a Beta tape that won't play in a Betamax/2/3 or Betacam/SP/Digital/SX/IMX/HD/SR player ... it might just contain a WAV file!
@TechnologyConnections
@TechnologyConnections Год назад
Boy do I have an interesting video coming up soon!
@mikkowilson2
@mikkowilson2 Год назад
@@TechnologyConnections TC / Techmoan crossover? DAT'd be amazing.
@theEagleBeagle
@theEagleBeagle Год назад
the 3/4" Umatic era was..... heavy
@aworminmybook8234
@aworminmybook8234 Год назад
Yss, and pcm recording was also done to 3/4" and 1" type c videotape
@SeanBZA
@SeanBZA Год назад
@@theEagleBeagle Yes, Umatic players are all mechanical marvels, and all very heavy. 40kg of steel stampings in them, like somebody took an entire typewriter factory and poured it into a box.
@gkkarthic1978
@gkkarthic1978 10 месяцев назад
Beautifully done! Also, the best part about the Betacam SP VTRs (the DVWM2000 and similar models) was that each of the channels - Video, Audio, and Time Code were individually editable whether manually, or remote. You could mark-in, mark-out and record over the channel or channels you want to edit and for the duration - it was freaking amazing! When I was editing on these monsters, it felt as though I was operating a nuclear silo, LOL.
@StarGateSG7
@StarGateSG7 8 месяцев назад
Aaaahhhhh YES!!! The old "Split Edit" using that monster-sized multi-machine linear editing controller you could buy separate from Sony !!! I can't believe I've been doing this since 1987. OMG! Where did all the time go! V
@brucemarkham2054
@brucemarkham2054 11 месяцев назад
Thank you for setting the record straight on this. It clears up some confusion for me. I edited video at a local TV news station in the late aughts and was thoroughly mystified by the Betacam tapes everywhere. They had the larger/older tapes in their archives, and the smaller/newer HD tapes in contemporaneous use. No one was knowledgeable enough to explain to me the history of the distinction between Betamax and Betacam, or that there even _was_ a distinction.
@AddieDirectsTV
@AddieDirectsTV Год назад
For the record.... We actually STILL use BetaSP in broadcast. A LOT of news archive video is on it (and UMATIC!). Plus, when we still ran master control locally (it's hubbed out now), we got a LOT of paid programs coming in on Beta. In fact, we JUST removed that Beta deck not that long ago, even though old Master Control has been out of use for about 4 years now.
@aworminmybook8234
@aworminmybook8234 Год назад
I feel sorry for you :( It's been pretty much dead at the network level for years. Even tne archives are digital. But as i look behind me in the edit room, i see a row of betacam tapes. Lol
@mikkowilson2
@mikkowilson2 Год назад
We still have this exact model of deck racked up, and a stack of them in storage for spares/parts. And a room full of every imaginable tape format of archived video from the decades gone by.
@wilneal8015
@wilneal8015 Год назад
​@@mikkowilson2 Seems like There will be a LOT of Recapping in someone's Future! 😢🎱😵🤞🧐😈
@mikkowilson2
@mikkowilson2 Год назад
@@wilneal8015 Yeah ... The sad reality is that most of the content on those tapes will never see the light of day.
@dadbike1100
@dadbike1100 Год назад
Oh man we went hard for DVC Pro and just a couple years ago finished copying the full archive of Andy Griffith to hard drive.
@SudaNIm103
@SudaNIm103 Год назад
Runtime really was a major factor. My grandmother was an early adopter and she sold her Sony Betamax and got a VHS VCR specifically because it would let her record CBS's entire Daytime Soap block while she was at work: The Young and the Restless, As the World Turns, Guiding Light, Search for Tomorrow. (God I watched so much of that crap as a kid) The only other person I knew who had a VCR before most people did; My uncle Mike had thought the VCR was just a gimmick until the RCA VBT200 and he realized it could record live sports broadcasts and he got one not long after and they were still using that same VCR into 2000s!
@video99couk
@video99couk Год назад
Except in Europe, where a typical L-750 Beta tape runs for 3 hours 15 minutes where a E-180 VHS of the time was shorter at 3 hours. (Both formats had longer tapes, but these were the most popular in the early 1980s).
@SudaNIm103
@SudaNIm103 Год назад
@@video99couk Of course, but it would prove too little too late. I admit I don’t know much about how things played out in the European market; Here in the States VHS was already outselling BetaMAX 3 to 1 by 1980 and it had become clear that VHS was going to be the dominant format. BetaMAX sales would drop off precipitously, and the format limped along for a few more years but it was just a battle of attrition, the war had long been won.
@LG123ABC
@LG123ABC Год назад
@@SudaNIm103 The war had long been "won".
@Prophes0r
@Prophes0r Год назад
Audio/Video-philes often gloss over the size/recording time 'feature'. Don't get me wrong, I can (sometimes) tell the difference between an MP3 and a FLAC file at my desktop with my good headphones. But in the car? On a plane? On a phone? (Even with headphones) Outside a studio in general? No way. Space is still at a premium. 128kbps MP3 is FINE. Even now that space is 'cheap' there is still a good use for lossy-formats as long as you ALSO keep the loss-less ones. Back when 'going outside' and 'social' things were regular occurrences, a 720p portable projector and a 512GB MicroSD card with 600 movies on it, transcoded down to 720p, was a PERFECT way to set up a guerilla-drive-in movie. Was the video quality 'perfect'? Absolutely not. Did it matter when you were projecting onto the wall of a building? Nope.
@fattomandeibu
@fattomandeibu Год назад
@@SudaNIm103 I dunno how it really played out either since I was a primary schooler, but as a kid who grew up in '80s England, I only have vague recollections of knowing 2 people who owned Betamax recorders and 1 dude with a Video 2000 that he used well into the '90s, with everyone else having VHS.
@rmatthi6722
@rmatthi6722 10 месяцев назад
3:03 "They both have model numbers divisible by 1800..." 😂
@winmarkesconde5651
@winmarkesconde5651 10 месяцев назад
when i was in grade school im so amazed at how the mechanical part of both vhs and betamax, my father used to fix them back in the day & i'm so eager to help him fixing the timing issue of the gears. great video as always.
@FooneTuring
@FooneTuring Год назад
That splitscreen of Betacam/Betamax could not have been easy to do as seamlessly as you did. Well done, I see the work that went into that!
@dasrabaskus
@dasrabaskus Год назад
You're one of the few creators putting out almost hour long videos feeling like 15 minutes top, thank you :)
@Icehawk2k7
@Icehawk2k7 5 месяцев назад
Awesome video, brings me back 2003 when I was taking video editing in film school and we learned to use these exact Betacam SP units, I was always amazed at how precise and responsive they were when integrated with our Avid editing PCs and it was amazing seeing such clear video from a tape.
@RGressick
@RGressick 11 месяцев назад
Thank you for your work on your videos. Yes your videos are longer then most content creators but i do love the thoroughness of all your videos. I love the research and the detail you get into. I ensure the hard work you put into all your videos. I feel knowledgeable afterwards. This was a cool breakdown again.
@KairuHakubi
@KairuHakubi Год назад
hearing about how color is kinda cheated to work really explains both how tapes looked and how tape errors look, with the colors becoming separated from each other. and it sounds like betacam basically pulled an old NES music trick out of the hat, recording rapidly in alternation to cheat 'two things' out of one thing's room of things. Also, I'm realizing now that I've seen Betacams in operation on tv shows, when a TV studio is pulling up footage, fastforwarding it, etc. the sound brought back memories. .. how have I never noticed that Large and Small have the same initials as Long and Short???
@sc0tt_p
@sc0tt_p Год назад
In TV Betacam tapes that would be played on air always had to have bars and tones so we could use a TBC to correct the colors, most local shows (churches) didn't understand the purpose and would just steal color bars from some vhs tape and stick it on the beginning on the tape so they weren't from the equipment that shot the video so correcting to those colors never worked and usually meant we'd have to stop an ingest and find a frame to try and color correct with.
@gmirwin
@gmirwin 11 месяцев назад
@@sc0tt_p As a consumer, I never knew what those were for. Learned something else today.
@sc0tt_p
@sc0tt_p 11 месяцев назад
@@gmirwin yeah, they are supposed to be calibrated to the tape, both audio and video. You use the scopes to align the colors, set white and black levels, and audio level. Bars go into a leader board which most people have seen as the countdown. That final sudden beep is supposed to be exactly 30 frames from the first frame of the show, which helps you start the tape exactly where it's suppose to.
@NachoMist
@NachoMist Год назад
man this video unlocked the weirdest childhood memory, my father was a reporter for local news and in the mid 90s to very early 2000s he was using a UVW-1800 (before upgrading to a DNW-A225 in the early 2000s) and seeing it in this video i can distinctly remember as a toddler i once put a pop tart in the cassette drawer 🤣
@Wagonman5900
@Wagonman5900 11 месяцев назад
That's funny.
@JoshuaPlays99
@JoshuaPlays99 11 месяцев назад
I can only imagine the panic your father had getting the crumbs out of it
@ArniVidar
@ArniVidar 11 месяцев назад
I mean.. at least it wasn't a Popsicle. 🙈
@MarJay1980
@MarJay1980 7 месяцев назад
I work in the professional broadcast industry. I started circa 2003, and DigiBeta and Betacam tapes were common at that point - this is an excellent video and it takes a lot of skill to take such a complex subject and present it in such an accessible way. Truly nice work!
@volkris
@volkris 11 месяцев назад
I really appreciate all of the extra effort put into capturing video from the different formats!
@king_plasma
@king_plasma Год назад
6:36 The format launched with a maximum recording time of 60 minutes (that's one hour for those of you who speak Metric). THAT JOKE IS TOO GOOD DARN IT, I was rolling on the floor.
@JeremySeitz
@JeremySeitz Год назад
My favorite part of editing video on BetaSP back in the day - the Jog/Shuttle wheel. That was so cool, scrolling frame by frame or bouncing around. Really satisfying.
@QualityDoggo
@QualityDoggo Год назад
some VHS machines eventually got jog wheels, but man it does not look very good to try and go "frame by frame" (well... actually field by field) on VHS 😂
@craigavonvideo
@craigavonvideo Год назад
I actually prefer editing tape-to-tape rather than non-linear on a PC.
@mokkingbird
@mokkingbird 7 месяцев назад
Those snap transitions for the picture quality comparisons were magic! They were so satisfying that I watched them each about a half dozen times.
@colloidalsilverwater15ppm88
@colloidalsilverwater15ppm88 9 месяцев назад
Excellent, finally I am aware of technical details about VCR war. Thank you from the bottom of my old heart.
@JeanFredericP
@JeanFredericP Год назад
I have to say something! The script, editing and the overall production of this video is astonishing. Having followed this channel for multiple years, it doesn't surprise me, but I hope others can see all the work behind making such a video. I'm only 17m44s in the video for now, but I'm hoping to see some outtakes or bloopers at the end. I love those!
@xp8969
@xp8969 Год назад
Omg yes, I came to say litterally the exact same thing word for word, this is legit his best vid yet
@kellybraille
@kellybraille 11 месяцев назад
My father had a huge collection of beta tapes when he passed away (as well as a betamax machine), and some of the movie titles were suspiciously... modern? We quickly found out that every single Beta tape was... an "adult film" that he had later just re-labeled with popular movie titles. My mom didn't find the humor in this, but I thought it was HILARIOUS. Damn. I miss you, Dad!
@kellybraille
@kellybraille 11 месяцев назад
Oh that's DOUBLE hilarious that people thought Beta DIDN'T have dirty movies! Ha! I'd bet money that Dad collected those partly just for that reason. Omg that's so funny. I can't wait to tell my sister. Ha! Dad is still throwing punchlines from the grave. Love you, Dad! 😂
@electrictroy2010
@electrictroy2010 10 месяцев назад
I label my pron tapes with hand labels (stuff 1, stuff 2, etc). I’m surprised your dad did extra work of using Hollywood titles
@electrictroy2010
@electrictroy2010 10 месяцев назад
In the early 80s Playboy released video on laserdisc, VHS, and Beta so pron was definitely available across all formats
@josephkelly4893
@josephkelly4893 8 месяцев назад
Your dad sounds like a legend. Peace
@kg-Whatthehelliseventhat
@kg-Whatthehelliseventhat 5 месяцев назад
Dad's should let us know that they are cool before it is too late. I found a bunch of weed, porn and 2 guns in my dad's trunk... damn dad. Wtf were you into?
@randall522
@randall522 8 месяцев назад
Excellent explanation of this interesting history. Having grown up in a tv repair family business and then a career in video production and broadcast operations from the 80s until today, I can attest to how completely this story was told. Great channel! And the public tv station in Canada I worked at just stopped accepting 1080i masters on HDcam tape 2 years ago. BTW I was the proud owner of a Toshiba-branded Betamax top loader in 1980. Wish I’d kept it…
@DarMokChannelSTMoments
@DarMokChannelSTMoments 11 месяцев назад
I am of that age that I remember this battle of the tapes. I had a VHS Recorder at the time and remember just how magical it seemed to be able to record shows and watch them later. And don't get me started on trying to tell our parents that you didn't have to a show as it was being recorded or the whole idea of programming a recording. I do though remember seeing a friend's original Bata recorder which knock me for six, to see the quality of the onscreen search function. There was hardly any break up of the video compared to my VHS and I did consider because of this to change my recorder but I think because of price consigns and the explosion of Blockbusters made the decision for me. Great upload, I will be looking for more like this one.
@jesuitx
@jesuitx Год назад
As someone that used to work in the broadcast engineering space, it's wonderful to see this topic finally covered by someone like you!
@Cinneray
@Cinneray Год назад
I used to work at a small-ish TV station and the sound of you rewinding the beta casette warmed my heart. Fun story: when I started I had no idea about the difference between betamax and betacam and was utterly baffled why we were using BETA when VCR clearly won the format war. Luckily I kept it to myself or I would have never hear the end of it.
@MCAlexisYT
@MCAlexisYT Год назад
..what VCR?
@DavidLindes
@DavidLindes Год назад
@@MCAlexisYT I’m going to give the OP the benefit of the doubt and assume they just had a brain fart and meant VHS. But, it’s also possible they’re being thrown by the fact that some pro gear was called a VTP (Video Tape Player), instead of a VCR (Video Cassette Recorder, which of course can apply to all of these formats, though not to open-reel formats, of which I think there maybe were some at some point?? But I don’t have any personal experience with those.)
@Ceelvain
@Ceelvain Год назад
People are benevolent most of the time. They might have laughed a bit. But would very likely have explained it. And simply went on with their lives. After all, it's an easy mistake to make. If you gotta make a mistake, better make it as early as possible so that you can build more knowledge in steady ground.
@stevehunter5505
@stevehunter5505 Год назад
@@DavidLindes I worked for many years in TV as a sound recordist and well remember the U-matic format used in ENG in the 80's. However, in 1982 when we were sent to Spain to cover the world cup I was very surprised to be given this massive open reel video recorder (I think the reels were stacked on top of each other) to use as a "portable" VCR coupled to the camera with an umbilical. We'd never used this and it took around half a day to figure out how to use it properly. You would do a take, then the machine would rewind itself 5 secs. Take two and the cameraman would see a flashing red light as the device started and after 5 secs would then switch to a steady red light and you were recording. It used an automatic edit system incorporating a 5 sec. run up in order to sync up with the previous take. I seem to remember the make being Bosch Fernseh but don't quote me on that.
@8bits59
@8bits59 Год назад
@@MCAlexisYT There was a format called VCR that Philips made, but I'm assuming that's not what they meant.
@markradaba
@markradaba 11 месяцев назад
Excellent video! This really helps explain the differences between the formats and the myths between the video formats in layman's terms.
@vhm14u2c
@vhm14u2c 10 месяцев назад
Back in early 80s, I visited a television station studio for local abc broadcasts and news. They had a few betacam machines with those large cassettes. At the time, I knew it was something for professional use only, but didn’t realize how advanced the machine truly was. Thanks for sharing!
@justapeasant8949
@justapeasant8949 Год назад
Something that is more impressive than a Betacam is just how long Sony's U-Matic was used in TV production. Well into 2000s. There are U-Matic tapes out there with promotional material for Revenge of the Sith (2005), and other feature films that were released in theatres in 2008 or later.
@sunspot42
@sunspot42 Год назад
It’s amazing how long U-matic persisted. I’m kinda surprised it wasn’t repurposed as a digital video format using metal tape and modern head designs - in theory it would have been easier to do than with Beta, but mechanically the 3/4” decks were just much more complicated and expensive to produce, so I can see why Sony held off until the tech made it possible to achieve with 1/2” tape. A 3/4” digital deck could have been delivered years sooner, but would have been hellishly expensive and the costs would have never come down much even as the electronics got cheaper because the mechanisms would have remained expensive and bulky. They were probably also worried about a digital, VHS-derived format stealing their thunder.
@NJRoadfan
@NJRoadfan Год назад
My university's media department was using U-Matic SP until around 2000 or so when they finally went digital. I got a tour of their facilities and asked why they weren't using Betacam SP. Their only answer was "media services provides these tapes, so that is the format we use"
@freeculture
@freeculture 11 месяцев назад
Well the "U" loading mechanism was still used by Sony for decades, even in their VHS deck they ironically made around 92... VHS loading is usually an "M" so that's where that silly name comes from, i think...
@justapeasant8949
@justapeasant8949 11 месяцев назад
@@freeculture That's true. Unlike Sony, JVC didn't mind deviations from their original VHS patent. There were all sorts of loading mechanisms variants on VHS devices. As for Sony, in their mind the Betamax (not referring to their U-Matic) was perfect by the virtue of being THEIR design, therefore (Sony) didn't allowed any sort of engineering freedom for third party manufacturers of it's PERFECT design when it came to Betamax's tape transport. Sony was, and still is a weirdo company when it comes to these sort of things*. *Control freaks😠
@coyote_den
@coyote_den Год назад
That particular Betacam machine didn't just demux the chroma, it digitized Y/C for timebase correction, which was required for genlocking to studio sync on the REF VIDEO input. It also had drop out compensation, if the tape had a dropout the DOC would fill it in with previously captured samples. That's what a lot of the boards in there are for. Demuxing is essentially "free" when you're doing TBC, you just read the Pb/Pr samples out in parallel at 1/2 the sample rate.
@AaronSmart.online
@AaronSmart.online 11 месяцев назад
Consumer VHS VCRs typically had dropout compensation, though only line-based. I guess you're talking full frame?
@Liam3072
@Liam3072 11 месяцев назад
Hmmm... I know some of these words...
@susilgunaratne4267
@susilgunaratne4267 11 месяцев назад
Betacam more complicated than genlock, TBC, Y/C...remarkable difference is separate recording of Y, R-Y & B-Y by an ingenious method of CTDM - Compressed Time Division Multiplex. So no more cross color distortions, other spurious artifacts or reduced Y-levels, since Y info now occupies one full track while R-Y & B-Y time compresed & occupies 1/2 ,1/2 divided next line. Video head has separate chips for Y & Chroma components.
@susilgunaratne4267
@susilgunaratne4267 11 месяцев назад
​@@AaronSmart.online DOC normally done at line level. In Digital media it's ' error correction & concealment' much complicated than analog type DOC.
@wiesejay
@wiesejay 11 месяцев назад
I think he’s talking about taxation
@TheRealXyzven
@TheRealXyzven 9 месяцев назад
All your transitions in editing were FANTASTIC! I was watching a full on PBS show about Betamax vs Betacam!
@k8zhd
@k8zhd 11 месяцев назад
Wonderful, as always! You do an excellent job of explaining complex technology in a comprehensible and entertaining way. And I loved your summation of Betacam as "equal parts hilarious and impressive." That is how I felt often in my 40+ years designing analog video products -- NTSC itself still amazes me. I once interviewed at General Electric to work on their Telaria theater video projector, and I could hardly keep from giggling during their explanation of how it operated. And then the demonstration of its actual operation left me quite impressed.
@hlloyge
@hlloyge Год назад
I worked with U-Matics, Betacam, and even GASP! Ampex VPR-6, I loved them all. Ampex was my favorite, it was oldtimer when I was working in broadcast, but we still had TV shows on these tapes, so it was used. Learning to thread tape on them was a scientific achievment :) I enjoyed this video, it made me go back in time. There are lot of details that comes with more expensive devices, we had Sony BVW-75P machines, they were crazy good and were my daily use machines.
@RodCurrin
@RodCurrin Год назад
I started editing on Ampex VPR-2B 1 inch machines. Threading them was 'fun'. What wasn't fun was if someone let the tape play off the end and you had to thread it from the take up reel! That was MUCH harder. I was working for a broadcaster when Betacam was introduced. They came to demo it to us. What was really impressive was that colour (South African spelling!) bars off tape looked like straight from the generator - absolutely clean divisions between the bars. Later I worked on Sony BVW-75P and BVW-65P (player version) in a 3 machine edit suite. It was amazing how many generations you could copy and still have good quality.
@zik316
@zik316 Год назад
I was genuinely impressed with your editing of this video. The seamless transitions from analog to digital were quite impressive.
@JohnJackson66
@JohnJackson66 Год назад
I remember when the company I worked for (Quantel) sold very expensive hardware just to make this possible.
@AstrosElectronicsLab
@AstrosElectronicsLab 11 месяцев назад
Pretty simple to line up separate video recordings in the editor timeline on separate video tracks and just chop them around, time consuming, but simple.
@JimmerofOz
@JimmerofOz 11 месяцев назад
@@JohnJackson66 The paint box guys? I am guessing it was like a multi input vision mixer?
@usernameak
@usernameak 11 месяцев назад
@@JohnJackson66 ... and now it costs nearly nothing.
@JohnJackson66
@JohnJackson66 11 месяцев назад
@@JimmerofOz It was the GenQ series that first allowed mixed format editing
@morrisonAV
@morrisonAV 11 месяцев назад
Excellent job explaining a complex subject. That was a TON of editing work and is greatly appreciated by all of us nerds. Well done!
@jg-bd3hr
@jg-bd3hr Месяц назад
I just wanted to thank you this was something I was always curious about but didn't have the time to research. You made it very clear and understandable thank you😃
@Markimark151
@Markimark151 Год назад
This video isn’t pointless, because lot of us who worked in television broadcasting used Betacam well into the mid 2000s! I used to work in tape editing for press releases from colleges. We used the Sony Betacam VTR for video recordings, and we also archived video on DVDs or digital files on computer!
@EmptyResponse
@EmptyResponse 11 месяцев назад
34:14 [Various Delightful Mechanical Noises] I absolutely LOVE your subtitles, friend.
@2rueblue
@2rueblue 11 месяцев назад
Oh, I do love this channel and thank you for all your hard work attempting to educate and entertain us. All the very best from Scotland
@surviver5738
@surviver5738 11 месяцев назад
Ayy, I appreciate the two star trek clips shown! Even though I don't fully understand your technobabble, I do appreciate learning and I always end up learning watching your videos, with a lot of rewinding.
@darkseid1975
@darkseid1975 Год назад
I worked at a videocassette/CD/audiotape manufacturing plant in the late 90s. We had literally hundreds of recorders in racks for the "Normal Speed Duplication" area, pulling off of the masters in the "Digital Betacam" format that literally just recorded video on hundreds of tapes at a time. We also had a "High Speed Duplication" area that worked very differently, but was also neat.
@tonybossaller4074
@tonybossaller4074 Год назад
My college media department used Betacam for everything. I remember the nightmare over-the-shoulder camcorder that took the full size Betacam carts. The student editing decks though where all S-VHS with a single Betacam to bring all their footage over. But I was so sorry to see you didn’t have the jog-dial interface with the Betacam unit. Those were soooooo smooth and satisfying. Your scrubbing through the footage alone brought back so many memories. ❤
@grandetaco4416
@grandetaco4416 Год назад
We used three quarter inch tape, separate camera and a separate decks, it was so cumbersome back then and weighted a ton, I can still feel the deck strap on my shoulder. I'm glad we live in the future now.
@tonybossaller4074
@tonybossaller4074 Год назад
@@grandetaco4416 And every… single… battery pack… had memory issues so the “up to 60 mins” of life meant we usually carried four or five for a one hour shoot. :( Yes, modern battery tech is amazing and I am so jealous that half the students probably use handheld camcorders or cell phones now. So jealous. Hehe.
@craigavonvideo
@craigavonvideo Год назад
@@tonybossaller4074 We used to use Battery Belts rather than descrete cells to power portable VTRs and Cameras back in the 80s.
@dashcamandy2242
@dashcamandy2242 Год назад
I remember high school days, Panasonic S-VHS camcorders slung over shoulders, editing on Panasonic decks with the editing controller's jog shuttle... Twenty-some-odd years later, when editing videos on a PC, I find I really miss that convenience. Maybe someday I'll invest in one for PC. We had one Sony Hi8 Handycam, and one Sony Hi8 recorder deck, but the school didn't want to invest in the hardware to connect the two for true Hi8 editing. Because of the inconvenience of transferring to another format, most of the students refused to use the Handycam or even touch Hi8 at all. While they do staged scenes with the cameras on tripods, I'm filming a semi-dramatic chase scene on the Cross-Country trail with a palmcorder!
@tonybossaller4074
@tonybossaller4074 Год назад
@@dashcamandy2242 Years ago, I had a Contour Design Shuttle Pro which wasn’t quite the smooth jogwheel the Sony unit had, but was worlds better than my then best option the Kensington TurboRing. (That ring was an amazing jog-dial but Kensington discontinued it… And the Orbit Pro’s just wasn’t the same.) So you might check that out. I have no idea where mine ended up. :p
@byersbw
@byersbw 8 месяцев назад
This is quite possibly my favorite episode of yours! 😂😂😂 I can’t stop watching it! On my 4th or 5th time, makes me laugh most of the video! Keep up the great work!!!
@LukanSpellweaver
@LukanSpellweaver 11 месяцев назад
I really do just love this channel. I cannot wait to see how festive holiday lights piss you off this year
@jadney
@jadney Год назад
You asked about the time offset from the Betacam offset heads: It's really a non-issue once you think about it, because the offset that's put in when recording is automatically undone by the same offset during playback. This is simply due to the fact that the same heads are used for both record and playback. I'm assuming that Sony was careful to make the positional offset between the heads the same on all their heads, so tracks recorded on one machine would play back correctly on any other Betacam machine. Hope that's clear. Thanks for an informative video. I'd always wondered what Betacam was all about, and never knew that it started out using the same Betamax cassette. BTW, loved the TOS Star Trek clips.
@HitoPrl
@HitoPrl Год назад
Exactly what I thought, the two signals are recorded with an offset and later read back with the exact same offset.
@bmcquillan
@bmcquillan Год назад
Further, I think that the issue of the heads being separated is compensated for by having the following head offset slightly higher so that it hits the edge of the tape at the same time as the leading head in the helical scan.
@michaelimbesi2314
@michaelimbesi2314 Год назад
The incredible amount of editing it must have taken to line up the the switching between the digital/VHS/Betamax/Betacam signals is well appreciated. Thank you!
@mm7wabanamateurradiowomble30
@mm7wabanamateurradiowomble30 10 месяцев назад
I spent years trying to explain this exact thing to people but Your explanations absolutely nailed it! The only thing I experienced that You didn't touch on was the cameras. I ran an offline edit suite and used BetaCAM SP gear, the cameras were properly hefty, especially when You add on the weight of the PAG belt external audio recording gear and of course all those dang cables! My pals with their fancy VHS cams used to take the p*** out of me pfaffing with the heavy and more complicated gear and fighting with all the cables with what appeared to them to be weird connectors, but they simply could not get anywhere close to the quality of BetaCAM gear. Of course they could SEE the difference when they visited my edit suite but still didn't get it. Thank You for doing this and setting the record straight Excellent work as usual. Keep doing what You do so well.
@NewCityMedia
@NewCityMedia 11 месяцев назад
Great video. I used to work in a private cinema and we had a Betacam recorder which was used to play back content from professional broadcast studios who used to hire the space. The quality, even on a large projection screen, was quite acceptable. Personally, whilst I was into VHS, I also eventually bought a Philips 2000 format home VCR (Grundig brand) which gained some traction here in Europe (I am in the UK). This used 8 hour tapes - 4 hours per side; yes, it could be flipped over like an audio cassette! The video quality was perceptively better than VHS, although, on my machine anyway, the linear audio track was of poor quality. Incidentally I recently bought a new old stock SVHS recorder which I am currently putting through its paces - first impressions are that it is not too distant in quality from DVD.
@Respectable_Username
@Respectable_Username 11 месяцев назад
Fascinating when you swapped the video from Beta to VHS, I got instantly hit with a wave of nostalgia. A lot of the TV I watched as a kid was on VHS tapes, and a lot of those were hand-me-downs from my Aunt who had recorded a bunch of kids shows from the TV for my older cousin. Seeing those VHS artefacts with the blocky colours and hard edges is big nostalgia!
@photostrand
@photostrand Год назад
Professional Video Engineer here. I loved this video. Amazing content. I learned on Betacam decks. They were amazing. And they were used well into the 2000s. To answer the question about the offset heads, I'm pretty sure, if I remember right, that the Chroma and luma heads being offset in the record didn't matter because they were also offset in playback. So the Chroma is still reading simultaneously to the luma at the same spot where it was written. I don't think that there was color information being recorded in the blanking interval. That doesn't jive with my understanding of how analog video worked. A few more things: We just called this stuff "Beta" and left out the Cam part in the professional space. We all knew it was Betacam, not Betamax. And we called the tapes "Beta 90" and "Beta 30" The original Betacam only died because the tsunami in Japan wiped out the factory that made the tapes. I remember this happening. Suddenly no one could get any tapes and they were selling for thousands of dollars on eBay because everyone was desperate for them. Then Sony announced they would not rebuild the factory because it was a dying format and not worth it. And overnight the entire professional video industry was forced to finally let go of our beloved Betacam for good. Another thing to note: the Chroma channel is derived from a 4:2:2 sub sample in component video. So it essentially has half the information as the luma channel. That's why you only needed one head to record it. You were recording half the information. And for tape size, the Beta 30 tapes being smaller was absolutely essential. When doing eng work and putting the tape into a shoulder mounted camera, this smaller tape was a god send. And in a television studio, where you may be storing hundreds of half hour TV shows, the smaller 30 min tapes were ideal for lowering storage. We used to have pallets of tapes in the professional space. If you only needed 30 min for your sitcom, having a smaller tape for it was much much better than storing even VHS sized cassettes. And finally, if you see this comment, I have some Beta Decks that still work and have the jog wheels. It was great to see how much you loved the satisfying feeling of operating a professional beta deck. You should try it with the jog wheel! It's a joy. I will gladly loan you one to play around with.
@scotty74065
@scotty74065 11 месяцев назад
Oh wow, another great video on old technology. I can't imagine how much effort (and hours of work) you put into this, and it really shows. Thank you for that. The comparison shots were really enlightening, I've never really seen Betamax in action (I'm from Germany, I've never met any Betamax fans here, only some Video 2000 fans that held onto it into the 90s). I would say I've also never seen Betacam in action, but I guess I've seen countless hours of it on TV (I think it was also the de facto standard here in the TV broadcast business).
@electrictroy2010
@electrictroy2010 10 месяцев назад
Betacam was the Professional TV standard worldwide.
@electrictroy2010
@electrictroy2010 10 месяцев назад
Old 80s/90s shows are still stored in vaults full of Betacam tapes
@MobileTech296
@MobileTech296 6 месяцев назад
The screen shake as you plopped those behemoth units on the table was hilarious. 😂 Also, a lot of people (myself included) used the VHS EP option almost exclusively to record TV back in the day because, as you said, it gave the most bang for our buck. On our terrible mid-80s TV with terrible resolution I never really noticed a difference.
@KevinVinck
@KevinVinck Год назад
It’s honestly kind of wild how long Betacam was around for. We were still shooting on it in high school (along with S-VHS) in 2006 and at the TV station I worked at we were still receiving some paid programming on Betacam tapes as late as 2014.
@russellhltn1396
@russellhltn1396 11 месяцев назад
Think about the cost to convert the format for a newsroom. You'd have to convert cameras and edit bays at the same time to avoid dubbing the tapes. Betacam probably lived as long as it did because until HD, the newer formats didn't offer that much improvement. As long as they could buy tapes and parts, they kept the old ones running. And as the well-financed stations replaced their equipment, they donated their old stuff to high schools and cable-access stations.
@PH96Official
@PH96Official 11 месяцев назад
2014?????
@JoeyRiz
@JoeyRiz Год назад
Even into the mid 2000s HBO in NYC used betacam. My cousin worked there before I got into the industry and actually had the job of digitizing many of HBOs betacam tapes. Fun time checking out all the crazy gear they had.
@nnnnnn3647
@nnnnnn3647 11 месяцев назад
I stopped sends tapes with my productions to TV around 2016.
@usvalve
@usvalve 5 месяцев назад
20:57 The diagram of helical scanning shows tracks more like Quadruplex! Helical tracks travel from one edge of the tape to the other in about half the circumference of the drum, so the angle is very shallow with a great overlap.
@Ericisnotachannel
@Ericisnotachannel 11 месяцев назад
My favorite part of this one is all the callbacks to videos I've already seen. Excellent work as usual.
@horizontalblanking
@horizontalblanking 11 месяцев назад
This takes me back… in the late 80s I worked at a video duplication facility. We didn’t handle Betamax (it was already dead) but did everything else: 3/4”, Betacam, 1” type C, and even occasionally 2” Quad and 1/2” EIAJ! I labeled all the VHS tapes that came out of duplication, boxed them up and shipped them out. Years later I became a producer for the video production side of the company. Good times.
@ronindebeatrice
@ronindebeatrice Год назад
Top tier editing. The transitions were delicious. You're the best damn technology historian in the biz.
@jeremypilot1015
@jeremypilot1015 6 месяцев назад
I went to college in 1995 for radio and television production and broadcasting. These were the exact machines we used and they were so much fun to use the shuttle jog to move forward and back in the video you could scrub through to the scene to the very frame you needed to edit and splice in another track and back seamlessly.
@paulmcmanus6222
@paulmcmanus6222 11 месяцев назад
Well, thank you for thanking me for watching. And, less facetiously, thank you for doing this video. You have just explained and answered all the questions I had for my older brother back then. I had the ability to set these systems up and start them working but, No idea why or how they worked. Through diligence and hard work I have gained the expertise to setup electronic equipment... and, why you don't stray from the accepted path to get stronger signals to the preamp... you can fry the winding in the cartridge on the turntable, yes... but , why?
@otama
@otama Год назад
I love watching objectively pointless, but educational videos! Keep on going :D
@agranero6
@agranero6 Год назад
In Brazil Beta was very uncommon, but here in São Paulo (the biggest city) at the then economic center on Paulista Avenue there was one rental Store that only had beta. It took me a time to realize why: many movies were Japanese: Japan Consulate was on the same building or very near I can't remember. I deduced that Japanese movies were common in Beta.
@magister61
@magister61 11 месяцев назад
Thank you for your clarification for those of us who use the metric system, otherwise I would never have known that 60 minutes is an hour
@lesterawilson3
@lesterawilson3 11 месяцев назад
27:58 - "Because Betacam uses compressed time division multiplexing, *silly*!" LOL!
@lesterawilson3
@lesterawilson3 11 месяцев назад
Of course any old school phone guy knows that TDM allows you to get 24 phone lines (or 23 B channels + control D channel) on 2 pairs of wire - AKA a T1 circuit.
@birdbrain4445
@birdbrain4445 Год назад
It's amazing how pervasive that myth about adult content is; I've seen it crop up multiple times even in techy circles, even in circles that generally know about their tech history. I ofc know better (your videos on the topic being a reason why, though I had familiarity with it before then) and I knew Betacam was a separate thing already - but I didn't know too much about it until now. Excellent video as ever, love the snark. That Betacam VCR is an absolute monster, I love it. The quality of footage it records made my jaw drop - I don't know why, it is indeed broadcast quality - but that night and day comparison with Betamax is insane. It really looks incredible for analogue video tape.
@silent5950
@silent5950 Год назад
My mother worked in news production and directing through the late 90s and even she thought it was true!
@Pauldjreadman
@Pauldjreadman Год назад
If you want better quality? get a date?lol
@gymnasiast90
@gymnasiast90 Год назад
What’s interesting about this myth is that in The Netherlands, the myth is instead told about Video 2000 - the third format, created by Philipsm that barely anyone outside The Netherlands has heard about. Like with Betamax, it is unfounded.
@Pauldjreadman
@Pauldjreadman Год назад
@@gymnasiast90 Oh yeah that. I think Technoan did a video on that.
@birdbrain4445
@birdbrain4445 Год назад
@@gymnasiast90 That's really interesting. I only know about Video 2000 because of the old format war retrospective Alec did, talking about how it was from a North American perspective and so wouldn't cover that. I live in the UK and I don't know exactly how the war went down here but I think it was just VHS vs. Beta here mainly - and I think VHS even more thoroughly crushed it here. And yeah no doubt for the exactly same reasons - Philips had no say on what content was distributed on the format - it isn't true.
@Bukki13
@Bukki13 Год назад
0:50 knowing alec, there’s a 50/50 chance that shake is edited in
@NinerowCenter
@NinerowCenter 11 месяцев назад
I like your videos about old video and audio formats. They always steal my attention
@pricyprice3474
@pricyprice3474 11 месяцев назад
I love the small detail of shaking the camera when you put each machine down on the table.
@willemvdk4886
@willemvdk4886 Год назад
Awesome video Alec! I've worked in the broadcast industry from 2004 to 2019 and saw the transition from Betacam to Digibeta to XDCam (tape on a disc 😂) to no tapes at all. I can totally relate to your enjoyment of operating the beige machine. I've worked with them a ton and they really are a joy to operate. Especially the more expensive models with jog buttons and other gadgets. Betacam has been THE standard in broadcast for many, many years. The S size tapes were used in cameras mostly, where the L tapes were used for editing, mastering and delivery. I remember the days of the bi-weekly delivery of a box of 10 master tapes to the television station for our daily show. Yes, someone had to drive down to the television station to BRING them a box of tapes. Awesome times. XDCam discs were the standard for capturing video for a few years. Right after tape and before we all went solid state. Strange format with a magneto-optical disc in a very cool looking cartridge. Maybe you should do a video about this format once? Thanks for the great content Alec! As usual.
@sc0tt_p
@sc0tt_p Год назад
I was in TV around that same time as well, when digital video storage was getting cheaper by the day and you could see the end of the road for Betacam, but it seemed like it was never coming and you'd be using those chunky boys forever.
@CantankerousDave
@CantankerousDave 11 месяцев назад
We were using mastering on D2 tapes when I came in in the mid-90s, then we switched to DigiBeta. That transition period from analog video to digital video in the editing world was the wild west, man. Companies and tech came and went all the time as the industry tried to figure out what worked. It's fun to go back and look at industry magazines from back then, if only to look at mpeg1 rendering speed benchmarks that measured in minutes per frame instead of frames per second.
@MrDuncl
@MrDuncl 11 месяцев назад
@@CantankerousDave I have read that for Video Cd they actually used an operator pointing out the important parts of each frame to the encoder. Maybe only for the first demo discs where they wanted the best quality.
@falsogangster
@falsogangster 11 месяцев назад
That's a nice Betacam unit, it was heavily used in broadcast studios and professional video editing. FYI the hours meter data shown has to be multiplied X10 in order to see the real time in hours. You can also connect it to your monitor through the composite video out labelled as "Super" (Superimpose), that will display extended information from the menus :)
@StompboxBreakdown
@StompboxBreakdown 11 месяцев назад
Outstanding video. I couldn’t believe the size of the boards and sheer amount of potentiometers in the Betacam board. One of your best videos, learned a lot I didn’t consider.
@AdamvanAlderwerelt
@AdamvanAlderwerelt 11 месяцев назад
I'm a video engineer and actually learned a lot from this video. I only got into the industry 8 years ago, and I work in live events, so by the time I started, we were already all-in on Flash drives and hard drives for media storage, though we still use BNC and XLR connectors every day for our equipment. Thanks for making this video!
@MarkSynthesis
@MarkSynthesis Год назад
Gun to my head, I would absolutely say that in the picture quality comparison, VHS-SP looks better than Beta II: the picture is slightly more aliased, but still sharper (especially between foreground and background), the colors a bit cooler and pleasing (though more accurate? no idea), but these are the sort of differences I could entirely believe being owned to the mechanical variations in an analogue video tape format, and again, even the VHS-DVD combo "feels" a lot more modern than a seemingly ancient Beta recorder (even if that difference probably doesn't matter here). Great video as usual, thank you!
@video99couk
@video99couk Год назад
BetacamSP completely wipes the floor with VHS. Utterly no comparison, when you see it set up properly. Far less noise on BetacamSP, hugely better luma bandwidth and as for chroma bandwidth we're on another planet.
@HyperVectra
@HyperVectra Год назад
I completely agree... I also think maybe he should of used a betamax-i player for testing and maybe even tried to find an old 2 head VCR. By the time VHS was discontinued, it was common to find 6 head vcr (4 read and 2 record)
@hbp_
@hbp_ Год назад
I think it's just some trickery there. Same what mobile phone camera apps do, e.g. bump contrast. It definitely doesn't have more resolution.
@Pickle_Candy
@Pickle_Candy Год назад
The color on VHS is clearly worse in my opinion, it's just slightly over-saturated; when compared to the normal camera footage, Beta II is clearly the more color accurate. The difference is especially obvious when you compare skin colors between the two; VHS almost makes it look like he's in redface lmao.
@Prophes0r
@Prophes0r Год назад
I'm not going to get into an internet-argument over it, but I find the VHS in that comparison to be SUPER over-sharp. If I had to choose, I'd still go with the VHS, but it definitely has that "CRANK every post-processing knob to 11 to make it 'look better' in the Tv store" look. It's like going to a buddies house and seeing how bad their Tv looks, then going into the settings and seeing that they have brightness, contrast, and 'color' set to 100% with every filter still set to the default 'on'. (Yes I am one of those ass-holes that will immediately start color-calibrating your Tv without being asked to. Out-of-the-box settings on cheap Tvs are a criminal offence.)
@aceoft3482
@aceoft3482 11 месяцев назад
I spent a lot of time with those decks in an edit bay preparing for the morning news between 1am-3am in the early 2000’s. The edit controller that we used to control two at once was next level. We would play those decks like instruments. We also had a giant automated machine made by Odetics that would keep four of those decks loaded up full of commercials for master control. I had always been into recording equipment previously, and getting to go work in broadcast was a dream come true at the time. So many cool toys and smart engineers. I left just as everything was converting to digital.
@timdowning3600
@timdowning3600 11 месяцев назад
wow, so I'm picturing one of those robotic tape libraries for server data backups. then I start thinking about the synchronization needed. I have edited both 3/4 inch and betacam SP, and IIRC Betacam SP had to roll the tape back 3 seconds, then start playing. (I saw the technician working on one of them and it took three seconds to go from where the drum was just barely skimming the tape, (to prevent wear on the tape while giving you a freeze frame, to having the tape fully wrapped around the drum.) The complexity of having all those tapes perefectly cueued, (Probably used timecode, or a single frame signal) starting them rolling exactly three seconds before cutting to that deck, then rewinding back to cue, must have been a sight to behold.
@Techtronos
@Techtronos 11 месяцев назад
Used a whole WALL of those back in the day when i was recording at the studio. Good times.
@Techtronos
@Techtronos 10 месяцев назад
@@timdowning3600 5 sec preroll happens on edits, so the decks have enough time to synchronize properly. There is also preview feature so you can preview cuts before actually recording anything. Play function works as youd expect, like on any other vtr. Betacam decks also have advanced head controls so you can fast forward or play backwards without ruining image.
@Jadeschannel255
@Jadeschannel255 9 месяцев назад
Ok
@lillydogpoo65
@lillydogpoo65 10 месяцев назад
Long time viewer, first time caller. Great job breaking it down AND keeping my attention...oh and cool jacket my man! Keep the content coming😎
@Zenkai76
@Zenkai76 11 месяцев назад
thinking about the time I was a kid and my parents renting VCRs in a store that carried Beta and VHS it's fascinating to see the history of it all. I was always told BETA had a better picture because it had a wider tape but never once used a Beta machine, renting one wasn't an option in my town and I never knew anyone who owned one. I do remember my parents buying our first used VCR that was RCA with the big popup cabinet, and remember being disappointed that I couldn't play any of my friends HBO recorded tapes because they recorded in EP when the VCR we had only did SP and LP. It was a big lesson to learn when I was 12.
@joeschmo5171
@joeschmo5171 11 месяцев назад
I got into making home videos as a kid and eventually worked my way into the movie industry. As a teen/young adult in the late 90’s, I always wanted to get my hands on betacam equipment for my projects. It never came to fruition. Still, I love these old machines and droll over them like the teenage film dork that I was.
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