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giving you heads up as you know that m.2 slot is just a 4x slot and the raid card you tried is 8x and only runs in 8x so will never work in the setup, and the one you found online only runs on 16x so that wont work either you need to find a hardware raid card that will run in 4x
Wasn't that interested in seeing content specific to this subject, however, seeing Brett childishly screaming out of joy made my day. Well spent 17 minutes of my life :) Thank you, Brett! :)
As soon as the external PSU came into use, I wondered it would work without problems or strange behaviors like failed formatting, because of possible missing common ground signal. Digital communication is based on binary signals. For that on the traces, lanes and wires the binary 0s and 1s must be clear enough to be surely recognizable. To make them clear enough, the whole system in itself needs a common ground (= 0V). So with introducing the external PSU and connecting it to the adapters, I am not sure if the ground signal from the PSU is connected to the ground signal of the PS5 through the adapters. To be sure you would have to put a wire from a 0V lane of the connector of the PSU to any 0V point inside of the PS5.
why would the ps5 be different than a pc or have I just been lucky? External powered enclosures don't hate issues and I've never had an issue using a separate psu to power hard drives.
I think the issue is the available number of pci-e lanes coming from the PS5. An M.2 slot only has a max of x4 so you would need to find a M.2 raid card that could take x16 lanes worth of SSD's and get that talking over the x4 link into the PS5. That is why port 1 of the Gigabyte card still functioned, but also why the WD black drive would light up but not present itself because it didn't have the full x8 link.
Cards only need one lane to function, the card that work for him simply rewire 16x pin out lanes to to m.2 slots and divide power btween them, raid card he used most likely is not NVMe compatible
@@ShadowriverUB The Raid card he has requires a motherboard with Bifurcation. I know because I have one. it does support NVME. Bifurcation requires 16 lanes if using 4 drives as it splits the lanes up 4x4x4x4 since the ps5 is only electrical on the 1st 4 it simply has no capacity to do the remainder. only option would be a pci-e card that is a 4 lanes raid card with a switching module like the highpoint cards.
All PCIe cards can operate in 1x mode. So while the WD Black might get bottlenecked there is no such thing as “it needing a full x8 link.” PCie lanes are parallel. 1 PCIe 4th gen lane can do about 2000MB/s - hence you need at least 4 lanes to, with overhead, hit the 5500MB/s minimum the PS5 needs. That’s also why any PCIe 3th gen won’t work since 4 lanes of that are always too slow at 1000MB/s per lane.
Caveat Emptor: I'm not sure which Highpoint RAID card you're looking at, but I just set the SSD7505 up on Win10 (Test platform) & Win2016 Server (production) & that card DOES require drivers for RAID functionality. It Provides UEFI drivers during boot, and it Requires Windows or Linux drivers for the OS to see the RAID volume, otherwise it just sees JBOD (Just a Bunch of Disks) drives. Hope this helps! As always, should you or any of your IM Force be caught or killed, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions. This disc will self-destruct in ten seconds. Good luck.
I'm pretty sure you'd need to at lest plug the raid card into another device to initialize it, unless the raid card automatically chooses the kind of raid array you want set up and initializes the drives. Even with that, the system still might not have the drivers to read the array.
The PCIe x16 to 4 m.2 slots adapter needs a full PCIe x16 slot, the m.2 slot is PCIe x4 and won't work. To use more than one m.2 drive you need a PCIe x4 hub, If it exists.
The WD black didn't work because it needs 8x worth of bandwidth and has more pins. An M.2 slot has only 4x bandwidth and 4x worth of pins. Some pins on the WD black will not be connected because this M.2 to PCIe adapter is just like a riser. There's no logic components in it so the 16x slot is there just so you can for example put a graphics card with a 16x slot but set it so that it works in 4x mode. Hope it helps
The reason the RAID card doesn't work is because it has a boot bios. That needs to be recognized by the BIOS of the PS5. More specifically it's the INT 13 hook in the BIOS, that's unsupported/disabled.
The PS5 expects to see an NVME device in the M.2 slot a raid device uses a completely different protocol and would need driver support in the PS5 that it does not have. Don't expect the $600 to work due to the missing driver support for non NVME devices.
the Highpoint doesn't need a Driver, its a Hardware Level Raid Device and is detected from the Post Screen on Consumer Desktops. There is a chance it would be detected as 1 big HDD, IF! and i quote "IF" the PS5 actually had a 16x slot. it will most likely fall on its face in a 4x use case Its a Sophisticated Switching unit which prevents the need for Bifurcation allowing 4 or more NVME cards to be detected on 1 PCI-E Slot. Highpoint even do 6 and 8 Slotted NVME Raid cards but it doesn't mean you will get 6x or 8x the performance as 16x has its Bandwidth limitations. Benefits of Hardware raid is you can Raid0 your OS on install, Software raid you cannot do this. Using this on a PlayStation is Utterly pointless and Moronic Speed Tests will be Hugely Skewed as well, as big data transfers will see speed increases, the Multiple Small files on the other hand will not.
I doubt the raid card will work because nvme ssd's work over a 4 lane connection. Unless the raid card uses 4 lanes and internally creates 4 lanes to each drive, I bet at best you only have use of one drive because the nvme connection on the ps5 will only supply 4 lanes.
Yeah i have a 2 slot NVMe pcie adaptor and if i put it in my x16 slot that is only connected by x4 lanes, only one drive shows up because each drive is using 4 lanes independently. So the card would need a switch to share the first 4 lanes with the other cards so they can be used.
As a HW engineer, I will not even try the RAID PCIe4.0 x16 card as your "source" is PCIe4.0 x4, so on Aorus it works as it is x4+x4+x4+x4 and it uses just the first x4 part of it. That RAID will require whole x16, so it will not work at all I believe.
your raid card will have to be pci-e gen 4 with x4 very unlikely an x8 or x16 will ever work. The fact only one m.2 worked on that x16 card was a single x4 was working being a software raid means its most likly 4 x4 split across the x16 slot.
Nice Concept, Third Party Accessory PS5 Companies will be able to Create a Concealed Housed Version of this System for an Addon later in the Future I'd Assume
You're probably already at the limit of 4 lanes, the only thing this buys you is capacity. That passthrough connector from the 4 lanes to 16 lanes also didn't actually connect any new pins, your were just extending unconnected pins. Just about all pci express devices can operate over just one lane if they need to (that's why electrically 8x slots in 16x physical form factor except full 16x slots)
This was entertaining for all the right reasons. Though I found guilty pleasure out of him worrying about the possibility of a bricked PS5, that was only because I knew it lived, otherwise there would be no video.
Pci e cards don't need all lanes connected. You can break off the little stopper of a pcie 4x lane and put a 3080 in it. It'll run, but not fast at all.
Which hardware raid you'll be using? You can choose a set of raid 0 drives but it should be locked for raid 0 And it seems to me that hardware raid that you have shown, is for multiple raid support. That kind of cards have a built-in bios, that u can setup the raid. And that you'll never be able to work on the PS5.
All this seems pointless but thanks for the testing. I just want to game on the PS5 not mod it. That's what a PC is for. Thanks anyway for your knowledge and great effort.
It's hard to get excited for something you may not ever do, but the longer I watch this video the more I'm enjoying it. I wouldn't do this to my console, I agree pc is where the modding is at. Definitely is proof-of-concept for what could be done with the slot though
This went a completely diff direction than I gathered from the title. Course I'm fairly sure my initial video guess, would have been banned very quickly, as well as possibly be facing several lawsuits and general decency fines.
I hope you figured out that the M.2 slot only has 4 lanes to begin with. No number of adapter cables is going to increase that. That WD card requires 8 to function. You need a card that operates on a x4 link and has a PLX switch to connect more than 1 drive. Brands like Highpoint and QNAP make some. They're going to be expensive for gen4
You should try to make the drives and PS5 come on at the same time. Start with everything off at all times and flip switch on PS5 and external power supply st same time.
the problem is .. how do you expand ram on it? because there are games that need more. As new dlc are released and more content is loaded it runs out and can't load more,limiting the players to what theycan actually use in the game.
I wish SONY put the SSD port at the back of the inside of the PS5 so all you have to do is take off say a small bit off the back and just slot it in instead of taking the plates off etc etc (even tho it's not that hard to do but I am LAZY to go through all that) :D
Don't think hardware raid since it would normally need to be initiated by the bios. I could be wrong but would love to see you try. This is interesting thanks for the video.
My Dude, I miss being this crazy about mixing components & holding ya fingers is going to work/praying you don't break your shiny custom modded ps5. never change my friend. wheres the next video you posted it yet I'm new to the chanel
It's not a good idea to use multiple power sources (PS5 and PSU). It might cause issues or even kill your hardware. PCIe can easily provide enough power for a nmve SSD. They only need a few watt.
6:29 shouldn't have, ssds use only a few watts and I doubt the circuits on that adapter are making much of a difference. Maybe they just have that adapter wired differently.
I doubt a hardware raid card will work at all, most if not all raid cards have uefi/bios interface that needs to load for it to work properly. Also my soul appreciates the level of jank on display here, I have a laptop with an Infiniband card attached like this.
I think sony should have made 2 m.2 slots. They shouldn't have soldered the system memory to the MB. Just 1 expansion isn't enough with the size of modern games and it's not like most can afford 8TB NVme drives lol.
NVME M.2 Slots provide 4 lanes of PCIe. Any card needing more lanes will have to have an active adapter (sometimes called a PLX chip). Any Raid card you buy will need to only use 4 lanes of PCIe for this to work. Introducing a PLX chip isn't a great idea.
IIRC the PS5 won't accept SSDs larger than 4TB at the moment. So your plan to make a giant RAID and pass it through will probably not work unless you do something like a RAID of 1TB drives.
RAID cards won't work... they have their own BIOS that needs initialization on startup and the PS5 OS probably doesn't have the kernel / DKMS support for it
The PS5 needs to support Bifurcation for this to work. PCIe 3.0 x 8 will be 7000MB/s but without Bifurcation it will not work, it's actually 4x/4x not 8x. Basically an 8x slot converted into 2 4x slots. Just a guess though I could be wrong.. Also the fact the PS5 is 4x regardless if it's 4.0 or 3.0 it's still 4x
