A very simple easy to understand explanation of how to use the FX3 in CINE EI mode since Firmware 2.0 Best Film Emulation software: Get 10% off your purchase of Dehancer using the code TASKFORCE at checkout - www.dehancer.com
I've watched dozens of convoluted, "influenced" videos regarding Cine EI, and NONE of them came close to explaining Cine EI as plainly and as succinctly as you. Thank you so much for putting it in plain English - I was able to understand and apply in the field immediately.
I'm a beginner with an fx3 and this was the best video I've come across explaining Cine EI in the most concise way. Please make a video explaining the exposure index as well. Thanks for the help.
Very nice simple explanation. Your film example was spot on. Once you put the film in the camera you can not change the ISO. The key to Cine EI is lights and ND filter. Thank you.
thanks for making this so clear and concise. I've been trying to head around this for a few days but when you explained it like film I immediately got it.
I'm not even halfway on this video, I paused it to give you my respect. I just bought an FX30, I wanted to get familiar with the CINE EI concept, and this is the best video I found. Thank you! Subbed!
Thank you very much. Cine EI is completely new for me so I watched like 10 or more videos and I was still confused until I watched yours. Very well explained. Straight and simple!
Excellent and understandable explanation. I have an a7S3 set to 640 or 12800 iso and with a variable ND filter I simulate CineEI. It was a procedure I was already doing before Cine EI.
This is absolutely the best explanation of Cine EI!! Thank you for making it simple! You confirmed what I thought was true. I rented an fx6 and my job owns two fx3’s!
The best explanation for Cine EI I've ever heard. And all under 5 minutes. Every 10-20 minute explanation I've heard only made it sound more confusing. When it's just as simple as adding light, or an ND filter, or even adjusting the aperture. You made it so clear, I didn't even have to write anything down.
This man is a genius. I just got the FX30 and I know nothing about shooting with a camera. It’s exciting and scary and this good sir just gave me the information I’ve spent about 3months trying to understand. 😂
My man!! I echo everything everyone else said, clear and concise. My next question is this: why did sony put that EI mode for preview on the camera? What use cases do people use that?
Hello mate. I have a question: I have the camera configured in Cine EI with Slog3/ Cine and I have also set a lut to be copied directly in the recording to speed up the workflow. The clip is in Rec709, and the lut is not copied. I don't know what I'm doing wrong anymore: my head is going to explode, hehe.
Are you using a custom lut or the built in Sony to rec709 lut? If you’re using the built in Sony lut and getting a rec709 image then the lut is being recorded. If the lut wasn’t being recorded you’d be getting a Slog3 image.
Just picked up an FX3. Been shooting analog and digital for a long time so this Cine EI function/feature is a bit confusing. I guess I should, whether in Cine EI or flexible ISO mode, just stick to 800 and 12,800 ISO for the cleanest quality. Unfortunately in low light scenarios I am seeing a bit of CMOS smearing. Obviously, the best thing to do is add light but sometimes it is impractical to add light when time is very limted or otherwise. Thanks for the clear explanation!
I appreciate you doing this video. So many have explained it but you put in a very simple way. What do you suggest the next best PP is when it comes to dark areas and there being noise? I ask because SLog3 loves light 💡, but I have been trying to get around that issue when it comes to my talking head videos, some have even suggested HLG instead of Slog since it’s not so sensitive when it comes to lighting being needed. Your video for example looks great. It doesn’t appear to be super lit but I could be wrong. I’m super interested in your thoughts and opinion. Thanks again!
I pretty much exclusively shoot on Slog3 when using a Sony camera. at 12800 ISO you don't need much light and a lot of times I have to turn my lights way down or use ND. The footage from this video was shot on the Black Magic Pocket 6kpro. I love Sony cameras but I'm open to, and enjoy shooting on lots of other cameras. I love Black Magic, RED, and Canon as well. They all have different strengths and weaknesses, but one thing is for sure they ALL are capable of producing some amazing images if you know how to use them.
Thanks for this quick explanation! Does Ei give us any benefits over using an a7s3 at iso 800 or 12800? Is Ei only an ease of use upgrade or is there any quality or dynamic range improvements over a7s3?
Explained neatly what Cine EI is, yet not much about how to use it as a tool for which it was designed. It's my understanding that the main purpose of EI is to see on the monitor how the recorded footage would look like
That's my biggest confusion. If I'm at 800 base ISO, I should put the ei at 800? Same with 12,800? I don't see the point in changing the ei outside of matching the ISO when the only benefit is a brighter viewfinder?
Thanks for the video, but I'm still a bit confused. So, can you not change the iris to add/remove light? Also, I see noise appearing when I put my lens cap on (to get it completely black/dark) and increase my EI. I see this in both 800 and 12800 ISOs. I'm just learning, so...more explanation on the EI, if you don't mind. Thanks!
You make a very good point. 👍🏻 Yes, you can change the iris. I figure that was a given. My explanation was if you had already made a choice about your iris for creative purposes.
So I don't shoot in CineEI right now, but I only shoot in 800 or 12800. Is there any benefit in changing to cine EI or am I doing the same thing right now? great vid.
I do understand how it works but how do I know if the scene I'm seeing on screen is properly exposed? What's the tool to check proper exposure if exposure index is useless. I can look at histogram and zebras. Would that be enough?
If you're in El Cine mode (800 Base ISO) and continually adjust exposure index higher and higher and then reach past 12800 does it automatically shift to 12800? Or do you have to stop recording and then manually change Base ISO to 12800 in the main menu?
If you're in "Cine EI" mode it will not go to 12800. However if you are in "Cine EI Quick" mode it will. I chose to stay in Cine EI mode and I assigned a custom button to switch from low to high ISO
My understanding is S-log 3 should be overexposed by 1-2 stops. What indicator on the screen will tell me if I'm properly exposed i.e. if i need more or less light?
I have a fair grasp of Sony's Cine EI modes now, and how to use them. My question now is: If you are disciplined in your use of the two base ISOs and stick strictly to them in achieving your best exposure, do yo get the same result as using Cine EI mode or is there some other added benefit outside of locking into the base ISOs for best noise and dynamic range?
Because you want to overexpose slog 3 to get the best result, you can use 800 base, set the EI to 400 or 200 and properly expose. As you’re still recording in 800, your footage will be overexposed by one or two stops, giving you more range in post. Now you can expose for the image instead of relying on the multimeter and kind of guessing, if you’ve overexposed correctly. This - to me - is the biggest benefit of using Cine EI
So basically setting to CINE EI 800 - 12800 set the index at base iso so 800 and 12800 for low and high base and not touching it expose regardless the index ? Man it helps me a lot I'm French and even French RU-vidrs can't explain it the way you do thanks !
so what is the advantage of using cine ei, can i use those native isos also on sony at 6700 am i correct? what is the exposure index for? what is the difference?
i have the fx30. so my question would be: then why use Cine EI? why not just use flexible ISO and only use 800 and 2500 (the 2 bases for FX30)? is it just ease of switching between the ISOs? or is there a difference?
Please explain EI more in detail yes.. What happens when you actually scroll on the wheel and change the index? What's the purpose of seeing the image brighter or darker if this doesn't affect the recorded footage? For the moment I find this more confusing than anything else, and currently stick to flexible ISO, while always trying to stick to the native ISO or staying as close as possible. In run and gun, seems the most effective.
In short when you change the exposure index you’re just changing how bright or dark the monitoring lut appears on your screen. This is used as an exposure assistance feature to help you nail exposure by opening/closing the iris or adding/removing ND or lights until the image on the monitor is what you want.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the changes to ISO that you see in monitoring are also recorded as metadata so you can do the equivalent of a 'push' or 'pull' in post production to achieve the look of what you saw on the monitor during capture. This is the analog of exposing a roll of film as though it were a higher or lower ISO than it is actually rated for. It's adding (or subtracting) gain to digital base ISO at the sensor level or on the image after in-camera processing - post-sensor. You would still be adding noise, but the raw image is still exposed at one of the two base ISOs
Having shot a lot with the A7S III, I found that slightly overexposing gave me better image grading options in post. Monitoring on the Ninja V during recording, I ended up creating a darker lut to compensate, otherwise it looked "wrong" (too bright) while monitoring. I believe this is the purpose of Cine EI - to assist nailing the exposure - without having to worry about custom luts. Now you can stick to the Gamma Assist function and use Cine EI as a tweaking tool.
Yes but if you want a certain aperture for creative purposes then you will definitely need an ND filter moving forward. If anything just treat this how you would normally shoot using only the two base ISOs for the best looking image
the ONLY question i have is simple but i can assure you that i cant find infos (which is simple): Which tools (built in) have i to check if the exposure is "good". Before, i checked MM (1.7 or 2.0 depends my subject) but now, im a little bit confused. Thanx again
Very confused here: if you should not worry about what you see on the screen… how do you know if you need to add more lights or NDs? Sorry matey, but this is exactly what I don’t understand about Cine EI.
I think the cinema guys are pissed that creators have amazing tools to create videos effortlessly and are trolling us… lol. Just put the camera on base isos and light as regular
You can get a variable ND for not too much dough and it will be much better quality footage than using ISO. ISO is like using the digital zoom function. It's not really zooming and it's not really brightening up the picture. It's all just digitally enhanced which never really looks as good as the real thing (ie getting it through actual light hitting the lens).
