Sony Slog 2/3 to ‘Alexa Look’ LUT Examples - Gen 9 

That’s so great dude! So happy to hear!

Which pack did you buy? Which section ?

Thanks so much for the comment Luke - very happy to hear the LUTs are working for you so well :)

I do have a quick question. I have a A7iii that I just bought which pack do I buy?

@@THEIXTHVLOG the Legacy ones designed for the fs7 sensor

Thanks for the kind words dude! I talk about how I expose to get my look in this video if you're interested: vimeo.com/326303715

Can u explaind me how u installed it in the fs7 mk2 plz?

Pajamaboy thanks so much for the comment dude! I’m working on the update right now and should be dropping tonight. Can’t wait for everyone to see them!

aw sweet! perfectly timed for my shoot this afternoon! thanks for being active, really appreciate it ^-^

@@phantomluts where can i update my phantom luts? is it already out?

Haha thanks man!

2nd that!

So glad you like them dude :) Thanks so much for the comment! What do you like about them in particular?

@@phantomluts I love how they actually make the Sony image more true to life and natural, which is something I've been searching for a long time. It makes me love the image the comes out of Sony cameras!

@@DannyTee100 thanks for letting me now Danny! That was my goal all along - also to make Slog easy to work with.

Film Talk thanks for the comment man! Glad you’re enjoying them! Wish you and your channel well!

ARE U STILL DOING THIS?

Hey man good question! You should use Rec709 A as your Timeline Colour Space, and not s.gaumut3/S-Log3. You want the Timeline Colour Space to be in the color space that the LUT has converted the Log into. ie, Rec709 is the colour space that the LUT has converted your S-Log footage into. For example, if you wanted the footage to remain in S-Log then use S-Log colour space. But because the LUT has converted the footage into Rec.709 - that is the colourspace you want to display on your timeline. For the monitor thing, email me with some screen grabs! hello@joelfamularo.com

The FX3 and A7SIII have the same full frame sensor, so they're the best match

Yeah one of my favs

Hey Marc, glad you're excited to get them! It is totally up to you - exposing is an artistic choice - for certain projects I over expose, under expose or expose what I think it naturally - your call totally!

Hey man, thanks for the kind words! Glad you like them :) With WB I just do it by eye and follow these basic rules - I set my wb to 5600k if my lighting is predominantly daylight , I set it to 4300k if it's a mix of internal tungsten lighting and daylight/moonlight or if its in an office space with flourescent lighting and if if it's tungsten and I want to nuetralise the yellow tungsten look, I set it to 3200k but honestly I almost never use 3200 and shoot most night time and tungsten stuff on 4300 as I like getting a little blue and yellow colour contrast. Yes you're right - I DO set my sharpening to -7 sorry.

Joel Famularo thank you man ✨

If you want to, you can - I just simply designed the LUTs to give a look that doesn't encourage so much over exposure, as I really dislike that look because of what it does to the highlights and shadows and mids - so in short - what it does to the image as a whole. Also if you want to incorporate the highlight rolloff I designed in the LUTs, you need to allow room for it to do it's thing and over exposing two stops means you're going to start having really bland and washed out images and tonnes of clipped highlights considering that S Log 2/3 only has 6 stops in the top half of the image above middle grey. So the 'Alexa Look' isn't just the colours, it's how you shoot, expose and how your highlights clip - so yes, when shooting, I recommend exposing properly or at most, one stop over when using these LUTs - it's a whole workflow really but that's how I got the above images to appear so 'Non- Sony' looking. If you're worried about noise, you don't have to be - go watch my Film Look video and I explain why in more detail but in short these LUTs help suppress noise in the shadows greatly. Also check out the readme that comes with the LUTs. If, you still want to over expose 2 stops, then I'd just say bring down the highlights in post and your image should balance out more.

Tegid Cartwright hey Tegid, I explain it a bit more in this video I just uploaded. vimeo.com/326303715

Hey man, thanks for buying them! The LUTs come with a readme which should help you a lot with how to get the best out of them, but yeah basically exposing skintones around 55-60 is a good place to start and what I tend to do. I might sometimes even go up to 65 or down to 50 depending on the mood of the project - but try keep them within that range (50-65). Alister is great - he's helped me many times with advice and tips and really knows his stuff. In the end, the LUTs are designed to be very natural looking and very easy to use so just do some tests and find what works for you :) Do you have an external monitor?

Thanks for your answer. I have a focus Small HD. I've bought your luts this morning, I haven't tried your monitor luts (event if you test it for inferno) . I'm waiting for the Inferno 5 inches…

Dani Metaz Photographer thanks Dani! Hope you enjoy them. So to answer your question I have two responses. 1) I discuss this in the readme that comes with the LUTs - so have a read of that. 2) I also recently made this video to answer this question also: vimeo.com/326303715 Hope that helps!

Yes! I've made LUTs for some legacy cameras

Yeah I personally use S Log2 with sgamut - standard pp7 settings - otherwise I leave everything else alone. Don't mess with blacks - I used to do that but LUTs are a better way to get a great image.

Baiju N thanks for the comment Baiju! Try these on Canon C Log - they actually work really well! I’ve had a few users who own Canons and they have told me plus I tried it on some footage I shot on Canon C Log and it looked great.

@@phantomluts OO that's very good news for me. May I know, How about using these LUTs on CRM files ( raw light) Please let me know when you get time. Thanks man..

Jacopo Fra hi Jacopo - sorry just saw this. No I just use standard slog settings

FNTJ M thanks so much! I’m not sure if they would work with Panasonic - haven’t tried it sorry.

Hi, I use a cinesaddle and also steady hands I guess haha

lucasdguerra hi Lucas! Thanks for your purchase. You can just apply them the same way you’d apply any LUTs in final cut :) no special process.

Using Lut Loader

Shachaf Dekel thanks Shachaf! Yes you can :)

@@phantomluts Thanks :)

so when you exposed between +0.5 and +0.7 you didnt get unwanted grain while filming in low light? Cheers

@@shirohae1993 grain is visible at darker area even at +0.7.. guess we cant totally eliminate noise for slog2 without +2 exposure. 🤔 that is for my case. Im using a6300

Alrigt thank you for your input! Im testing things out using an a7m3

Maybe I will man as I get that request a lot...

Hmmm - can't say man - not sure. Go with what your taste dictates.

Yes they are totally different colour spaces. I used to offer slog2, Sgamut3cine LUTs as well as LUTs for slog2 sgamut but pulled them from the lineup a little while back. I may bring them back for the next update but for the mean time use slog2 and sgamut for your alpha cameras.

Hey for Slog 3 do you use sgamut o sgamut3cine?

SimonVisionMedia1 yes they can

I used to shoot raw to prores on my fs5 all the time but never prores raw. I have had users shoot it though with great results. Could you email me with examples of the footage at joel@joelfamularo.com?

Charles Fink thanks man, no you don’t need even the fs5. A few of the shots are with the a7iii (about 3-4) but the rest are fs5 and 85-90% on RAW. They still work and look great with any camera that can shoot s log2 and with Sgamut3cine colour space.

I mostly use PP7 default settings with -7 sharpening (slog2). The LUTs also come in Slog3 versions.

Thanks man!

Saphir3000 not at all! Still works on original sgamut too. I have a few shots with my original a7s in here like the model ones and one or two kids ones plus the and they work great!

Saphir3000 so yes you can use your rx10II

@@phantomluts Alright you convinced me. I just pulled the trigger on both of your LUT packs because why not I guess... I seem to have 25 cube files now available though instead of ten which is not something I'd complain about but I'm a bit confused now. What's the difference between "ARRI TUNGSTEN MONITOR LUT" and "PHANTOM_ARRI_2_TUNGSTEN" for example. There is also stuff like "Film Look 1" and "Phantom Film Look 1 G5". Everything with the word "Phantom" in it also seems to be almost 1mb while the rest of the cube files are only around 100kb. Sorry if this is a stupid question I'm fairly new to all this.

@@Saphir3000 don't worry about the monitor ones if you don't record with an external monitor - they're just calibrated for monitors like Shogun Infernos to shoot with on set. Just focus on the 10 LUTs you have - the 5 Alexa ones and the 5 Film Look ones. The film look ones are the g5 ones and g5 stands for Generation 5 as I have updated them 5 times.

@@garfunkle37 Ah ok thank you for the quick answer. Last question if you don't mind. I also seem to have a "_Natural" version for every ARRI lut as well so I still have 15 files in there. I'm guessing this is just an alternative version that's supposed to be more... natural I guess? Any tips for when to use these over the normal ones?

Would also be interested in this.

Frank Dolan hi Dude I recommend checking out this video I made. vimeo.com/326303715

But in short it’s totally up to you. I tend to shoot most of the time with skintones around 55-60 which is about 1 over but plenty of times will also go to 50 which is almost 0.0ev so just do some tests and see what works for you

Joel Famularo thanks for tip! I think I’ve been exposing my subjects too high! Haha

Yes but you'd be better shooting slog2 with the A6300 as Slog3 results in a tonne of banding as it's only 8 bit.

FineResolve the update coming in the next day or so will fix this! Sometimes I found the skin a little pale also yes. But that is G9. G10 was developed alongside an actual arri amira.

FineResolve vimeo.com/382521656

@@phantomluts may i ask whats the content of this link? because for some reasons i cant seem to open it in my computer and my phone

FineResolve it’s just a Vimeo video link. Opens fine for me. Not sure

@@phantomluts ahh ok, so that link isn't the update right? so do i have purchase the luts again in order to get the new versions?

Yeah the one in this video called ‘Neutral’.

Yes it does :)

Filmmaker MX yeah man they work great - here’s a short film shot on a7sii graded with my LUTs vimeo.com/358437499

@@phantomluts can I use them with cine2 profile

Never mind. Received it and look forward to using these beautiful LUTs.

Hey, the fs7 LUTs work best on a73

MrVh78 sure are! A few of the shots on here are a7iii - all the gimbal stuff. Work great. My a7iii is my B Cam.

Giacomo Bernini yes pp7

Hi Andrean, Thanks man! I used a mix of Fs5 (80%), a7III (10%), a7S (5%) and A6500 (5%). They work with S Log2 on all cameras that have it :)

Daniel Lowp3z no these are designed to apply directly to slog2 and I like using Sgamut3cine colour space as well but they work great with sgamut as well. The idea is they’re emulating the conversion from slog2 to Alexa709

Kai Liu Visual you’re probably over exposing too much. I barely over expose at all. Have you seen this video? vimeo.com/326303715

@@phantomluts the footage looks well exposed. But after I apply your lut. The highlight detail are gone and black crushed. I have to set the 255 to 180 something then the highlight come back. Same with 0 set to 20 something, then the shadow details come back too. I wonder if because my cc 2017 is too old.

Kai Liu Visual email me at joel@joelfamularo.com and could you send some screenshots of before/after the lut. That doesn’t sound normal at all.

Afiq Harris no they’re exposed this way. I try and expose my skin tone highlights between 55-60 IRE but will go anywhere as low as 50 and as high as 65 (with slog2) and with slog3 it’s 55-65 minimum and maximum. Check this out - it’s a video I made explaining how I recommend exposing. vimeo.com/326303715

Hey mate, Are you saying you are getting noise in your shadows using the LUTs and S Log? Check this: vimeo.com/326303715

Matthew Martin thanks mate! Great to hear and really appreciate the comment :)

@@phantomluts No worries mate, quick question. I've always left the LUT on 100% but do you advise tweaking highlights, shadows, whites etc? Or are these designed to just drop in and leave? Thanks mate! I'd love to show you some before and afters of these on a short horror I shot recently.

@@matthewmartin1838 hey mate they're made with a highlight roll off and shadow fall off so if you like the look, just use them as they are. At the same time you can make as many tweaks as you want! All depends on your taste but yeah they have a look built in - not just colour tranformation. Yeah I'd love to see them man - email them to me - joel@joelfamularo.com

Santaella Media most of these were fs5 raw but some were fs5 internal and a couple were even my a7iii. I tend to expose properly or maybe one stop over but these LUTs won’t have a big effect on your exposure by design. If you over expose it will look over exposed and if you under expose it will appear so. They help greatly with noise though I’ve noticed and finally yes I monitor with these LUTs when I shoot on my shogun.

Thanks for the reply Joel. I usually overexposed the log from my Sony cameras, would your LUTS translate the same to that footage? How do you get the noise out from the shadows?

@Santaella Media yeah look if you over expose it too much it may appear a little too bright maybe - hard to know, but even then you can correct that quickly and easily by bringing the exposure bar down in post. In no time, you'd get used to the workflow and you'd be exposing to get the best out of the LUTs. They help with noise because of the gamma curve I developed - tends to compress the shadows in a really natural way and I started noticing it helped a little with disguising a bit of noise that s log2 can give sometimes - not completely but quite a surprising amount - it is noticeable.

Рикка Домашний Hi thanks man! So I tried to make them for HLG but I couldn’t. HLG doesn’t have enough dynamic range to create the look and especially not enough for a nice highlight roll off. Arri Alexa and film have 14 stops of dynamic range and Alexa had 7-8 stops of those in the highlights. S Log has 14 stops but only 6 are in the highlights but it’s close enough to make a close approximation of the look. HLG has 11 stops of dr and only 3-4 of those are in the highlights. It’s simply insufficient for the task. So you are limited to s Log if you want the look I’ve created sorry dude. S Log is better and the only profile capable of achieving this image. Joel

Jennifer Chu you have a canon? These actually look really good on C300 footage lol.

@@phantomluts Any chance these would look good on EOS R c-log footage lol

Sharalee Roberts hi Sharalee, I’ve never encountered this before. You shot standard pp7 (slog2/sgamut) and white balanced correctly? All the LUTs in this video are at 100% strength.

@@phantomluts I'm so sorry Joel, it was my error. I shot in pp2 not pp7 as I thought. Shooting something new this week and have made sure my settings are correct. Looking forward to using the LUTS. Thank you so much!

@@sharalee21 glad to hear!

Yes

Standard Slog2 - what's different about yours? Have you seen this video? vimeo.com/326303715

Nothing dude - just standard slog2

katabira Denis hey they behave great. I’ve got some footage of black people here in this video: vimeo.com/322142645

Yep! vimeo.com/326303715

@@phantomluts Hi Joel. Thank you for your reply. Just a doubt. I've been advised to change the colour mode/space to S-gamut3.Cine for S-log 2 for better colours. The default colour space of the profile on my camera is S-gamut. Is that advisable in using your LUT's? What colour space would you recommend? I own an A6500 and rent the FS5 every now and then. I'm really liking the results you've managed to achieve with these LUT's. Looking forward to purchasing it soon.

@@vishalzparadize hey man yes I have LUTs you can use with slog2 and slog3 default and also versions of slog2 for sgamut3cine :)

@@phantomluts Wow. Nice. Thanks again for the quick reply. Hopefully you make more tutorials like this too. Looking forward to using the Luts. See ya.

@@phantomluts I tried to expose like this, even in the day time but it didn't work. The footage is too dark. I have to expose 1 stop over. When I bring the footage into Premiere and put on the lut, I don't get the same results you get in this video.

No sorry it's made for Sony S Log 2 and does work with s log 3 as well but not panasonic v log.

I might make some soon though.

there are gh5 luts which do the same thing. Google gh5 - alexa luts

@@jazzperbeats I'd like to think no other LUTs do what these LUTs do... I think it's a unique look.

Usually its std + Range at 56 IRE and with a +/- of 3

Arian Hendricks yes that’s part of the look. You want low contrast and a smeared look in the extreme ends of the shadows and highlights to make the images feel more natural and convincing because that’s what the human eye does and what film and the Alexa does. Try it - next time you’re looking into a dark room, see if the contrast and clarity of detail are the same in the dark room as they are in a well lit part of the house you can look at. They aren’t - the eye does it’s best but contrast and clarity begin to deteriorate at the low end of your visible dynamic range. Same with a really bright area - where you can barely look without squinting. Also make sure you watch on a computer, not an iPhone because all the detail will still be there in the highlights and shadows but will just be less clear. But that’s by design.

@@phantomluts I disagree. This may be true for some of the "look" of some artistic expressions. However, displaying more Dynamic Range (especially in the highlights) is almost always desired by Professionals to get the more true to "human eye look" as far is DR in concerned, but thank you for taking the time out to respond. I really appreciate it.

Arian Hendricks no worries man! But sorry I don’t agree as the whole point on Log is to allow you maximum dynamic range to then affect with grading and a a pleasing gamma curve. If you have full clarity right up to the point that the image clips then you have no highlight rolloff - you don’t want to be able to clearly discern the moment the image clips or then it looks like video and not film or Alexa - I used to agree with you because I thought that dynamic range alone was what made an image cinematic but it’s how you USE the dynamic range. Again this is the basis for all well designed LUTs - it’s not really contentious as if you study the gamma curves of any manufacturer lut they’ll all have a highlight roll off built in because you don’t want a blunt clip point - it’s jarring and distracting. Again my LUTs still show the full 14 stops of dynamic range but the details becomes more foggy at the low and high extremes.

Arian Hendricks for example have a read of this: www.rogerdeakins.com/camera/highlight-rolloff/

Arian Hendricks or especially this one: www.provideocoalition.com/alexa_dynamic_range_its_all_in_how_you_use_it/

Elton Patrick no I didn’t :)

@@phantomluts Thanks, you're a genius. Definitely going to buy it.

Elton Patrick enjoy!