Just saw your comment and the news. Rest in peace Akira Toriyama. Thank you for creating one of the most iconic and important pieces of media in history and in pop culture.
ig superman is easy as long as you can manage to trick him with kryptonite (im looking at you batman) otherwise.. i mean, he'd be a pretty tough fight but idk who'd win for sure
@@wisteqs6644 depends on how much superman is holding back, the man very well could end the fight before it even began by simply lobotomizing sora from the inside with his heat vision. Otherwise, I see sora immediately using stopaga, and just whacking the man.
Its crazy when something as simple as a regular shadow heartless has enough power to destroy the entire db continuity off the simple fact that you need a keyblade to destroy them
Which I find to be utter bullshit seeing how goofy Donald and plenty of Disney party members can get the job done. Maybe the heart isn't realesed but they do dissappear
You don't just need a key blade cause we have seen final fantasy characters and Disney characters (who don't have key blades) defeat them but my guess is the only way to permanently get rid of them is the keyblade otherwise it's an endless hoard rush
Sora has A very powerful weapon that he can summon at will Multiple incredibly powerful spells *Cough reflega and curaga cough* Can equip himself with armor that can increase both strength and resilience to attacks Has multiple form changes, including but not limited to Ultimate Form and Double Form. Has incredible movement abilities High Jump, double jump, flow motion, glide (he can practically fly) Not to mention that he defeated Sephiroth(he can even take a giant sun being thrown at his face) Lingering Will the manifestation of someone's will and rage Ansem Xemnas Xehanort Possibly Yozora jury is still out on that. Sora has not only defeated very powerful foes but can tank incredibly powerful attacks, will never give up until his last breath, and has a multitude of ways of healing himself mid fight when he has too.
@@oreotaku4017 I'm hoping you are telling the truth because tbh that's what I've been hoping all the way since that boss fight up till now. Could you tell me when it was confirm & where I can read the confirmation?
@@oreotaku4017 It's not a win, Yozora let him give the win to Sora since he recognized Sora strength. I see it as a draw or stalemate as neither can beat the other.
It's not just funny, it's also stupid because even the original organization were all god-tier level. There shouldn't even be a debate on who is stronger between them or Akatsuku. XD
and leaf-bracer, second chance, once-more/withstand-combo, limit form magic spam mixed with mp-rage, kh3-finalFormFiragaEquivalent: get a bunch of mp elixirs, equip a bunch of fire boosts, use the monsters inc keyform, spam firaga and firaza also-kh3: use hercules' keyblade form to store 3 successful blocks + critical block, and then release a huge counter attack also-kh3: reck-it-ralf if you're lucky with positioning kills most of any story boss's hp bar on lv1
Hello, I'm the main supporter for KH in VSBW. The real reason Sora is so high is because after a certain point what matters in powerscaling is the size of a cosmology (out of feats involving other characters threatening it), and as you may already know, the cosmology of Sora's series is really larger than the usual one, namely besides there being as many universes as stars (the "worlds"), the Ocean Between is an space infinitely larger than them, and then there's plot implications of there being stacked timelines to be able to time travel to prior states of the worlds themselves (the age of fairytales). Let's also not ignore on Sora not only being stats and having most abilities on the site, including some rather busted stuff like the highest rank of regeneration on the site (recovering from being erased from body, soul and at least one other incorporeal thing, aka, his heart in this case), or Aqua's spell making sure fate is on his side so he can protect Kairi long term, thus he can't be incapacitated or killed permanently either, or my favorite part, Keyblades can erase foes from existence including their heart after significant damage.
Ooh, a vs wiki supporter. I have long used that wiki as a starting point for my power scaling, could I ask you a question about the wording on universal tier dimensions? The tier list on the wiki is poorly worded
Main Supporter? Does this mean you are the one who made this whole nonsense up? Sorry but Sora is not nearly that strong. The worlds are not multiple Universes...it's one Universe with multiple Planets which are the worlds. There are at least 3 scenes in Kingdom Hearts proving that the stars shown in the sky are the other Worlds. If those would be Universes then this wouldn't be the case. The ocean between is also nothing other then what is space in our universe. So if we compare it to Dragon Ball then it is even lesser large then Universe 7. Why? Because of stuff Bulma already told in the Namek Saga. The distance between Planets is ridiculous large and the ships just move with an extrem speed. The Gumi Jet travels really slow in comparison but still reaches the Planets/Worlds in a really short time. So the distance between every world is much much smaller which makes the Universe much smaller too. Then there is the "stacked timelines" which are not the case in KH. In Kingdom Hearts Time travel works with loops. If something happened it always happened. If you time travel to the past it will already have happened in the past and you can't prevent it in the future. The world itself ensures that this happens. While in Dragon Ball Timetravel is not only a thing with changing the actual outcome (Whis reverting the destruction of earth) it even is essentially dimension hopping partly. (Trunks time travelling to a different version of the past). Therefor the time travel in Dragon Ball is much stronger then the KH one. Sora does not simply just recover from "regeneration". If you become a Heartless that is a special state in the KH Universe. (which is also prove that those are planets and not universes since this is a general universal rule) Defeating Heartless and Nobody recovers the person. You don't really die here and your body still exists. If you mean the thing he did in KH3 this is even more wrong. In KH3 he didn't recover his body. He just pieced back his form to time travel into the past. And before you come with he changed fate because he is strong....no...no he didn't. Fate was changed because of special circumstances. For example that he talked to Naminé. That is what changed the fate. If you want to say that talking is some kind of powerscaling then oh boy Goku must be really powerful then after talking Yamcha, Tien, Piccolo and Vegeta into becoming better people. Oh Hercule must be really strong if he can talk Boo into being good. And also his whole still being able to hold a form comes not even from his own strength. He literally gets hold together from another person with magical powers. And if you refer to cure magic....cure does not work on deadly wounds. And since you mentioned he gets erased from body and soul....no...no he doesn't. If his soul would be erased he would be dead. If body and heart perish in KH you die. And the soul is attached to the body. Aqua's spell...what does this have to do with Sora's strength? It was a spell...on another character from another character. Sora was simply there for it to happen. And having a heart inside you is simply not even that powerful as absorbing people in Dragon Ball. He can't be permanently killed? What the fuck are you even saying. It's not that we already have seen multiple characters die in the series. Sora is not a unbeatable foe. He would have died in KH3 if Kairi wouldn't have hold him together. And if you die in KH you are finished. There is nothing you can do after it. It's not like you can live in heaven and if you're lucky hold your body and can still interact with the living world. And there are no Dragon Balls to just wish you back alive. Keyblades can erase things from existence...duh. Every weapon can do that in KH. Even the Heartless can kill people. They mostly just decide not to and instead steal Hearts. A ki blast from Dragon Ball can turn you also into spacedust and erase you from existence. That is simply the same but much stronger.... And if you mean erasing you from existence in "Past, Present and Future" then...no the Keyblade can't do that. That is simply wrong. Not even the X-Blade can do it which is probably the thing you meant. Kingdom Hearts can do it which is it's own entity. If you want to say Kingdom Hearts itself is more powerful then Goku....yes I agree. But the Keyblade, X-Blade or Sora is simply not.
I feel like people just forget the ending of KH3... you know, when Sora is able to overpower a laser being powered by both the X-Blade and Kingdom Hearts at the same time? You know, Kingdom Hearts; the thing that created everything in the KH cosmology and the X-Blade aka the strongest Keyblade in existence... Sora's heart is so powerful that he overpowers both of those AT THE SAME TIME with just a normal Keyblade which should easily put him above Multiversal level considering that the KH cosmology is comprised of multiple infinite realms (the realms of darkness, light, sleep, unreality although that one's arguable, and multiple other realms that are within other worlds like Davy Jones' Locker, Neverland, etc.).
@@soralight_x That is actually an amazing feat I had never considered... considering the fact that these aren't like, cartoonishly underpowered versions of the gods, they're literally based off of the Greek gods and have their feats too.
Being a bigger fan of KDH im not seeing Sora winning this fight. Also you didn't really go over anything in this video about evidence of how he would win. Just rambling
Good point and to give Prodigy a fair point yes video games can be undermined because well video games and its gameplay elements and so on. but even so, I still imo dont see Sora standing a chance or making it through against Goku or these other huge or strong anime characters or at least not in the long run. All I seem to hear mostly in this video is. Sora can defeat Goku because Keyblade is broken (Okay against these type of characters how exactly? ), He loves Sora and Kingdom Hearts (Not to mention addicted or obsessed as you see on his twitter bio), he is bias and is relying or basing it on a vs battle wiki site that is not even at the end official to the respective source materials but fanon and can be prone to errors or inconsistencies and even personal bias with who wrote the pages on the site.
@@hbak.1379 Totally agree. I was reading the comment section and someone was talking about equipments and Curaga. It got me thinking that some of that stuff is gameplay elements provided for player survival. An example i thought about if Goku in a video game had a bag that could hold 999 senzu beans would that help in this battle or that he could use a skill that gives him brief amount of time to spam Kamehameha waves 20 plus times? I do also agree in the video Sora is alot stronger than people think. It is very hard to judge Sora's strength because he is a game character, but I dont see the evidence of him being able to do it.
@@RioKasha I agree and this is what maks Sora confuesing and hard to asses because he is a video game character and therefore you have the cutscenes and gameplay which is two different things and can even be a dissonance. There is the cutscnes of what is ACTUALLY going on with the characters and the story and then there is the gameplay which is just a representation of what is going on with the character's like exploring through the worlds, boss fights and so on. In the format of being a video game. example is how some comments are saying how Sora in KHII is able to defeat lingering will and yes of course! However did Sora actually do all these cool or crazy speedrun strats in story canon? We see Lingering will after the fight standing still just fine no sweat, no leg on the ground no problem. What does this mean? Well this could imply while you the player do all this cool tricks and everything to take him down. In actual (non-video game or gameplay) events of the canon the fight played out differenly where Sora did not "defeat" Lingering Will and put on the ground but was able to at least put up a good fight against him and be a clear match with him. Another example Sora vs Xehanort in KH3 finale. People are saying how Sora is able to be a stalemate with him. Yes you can hit xehanort even though he has the X blade but again we are talking about the gameplay but is that what happens in actual canon? Because after you beat Xehanort you can and hear Sora, Donald and Goofy Huffing and Puffing like they have been putting up a big sweat to take him down. The point is that while Sora is able hit Xehanort like an almost stalemate joke in gameplay. In the actual events of the lore or canon of the story. Xehanort was a real serious fight for Sora and he, Donald and goofy to deal with and would have had been a serious effort for them to take Xehanort down. The point is is that everything in Kingdom Hearts works differently with whay is shown or represented in gameplay Compared to what actually happens in lore or canon with what the charecters do, how things like magic works in canon lore etc. Sorry if it sounds confuseing but yeah story in gameplay is diffrent compared what actually happens or goes down in lore or canon. And the DBZ video games are no different.
@@hbak.1379I said this before but you understand the lingering will is just that a will. It don’t have normal body functions and at end of the day it’s no different from someone like joker beating goku. He does not display or show certain things but we know he beats him because of lore and what certain things are shown and said. We can use that for sora which people already do. Also sora was shown to beat xheanort by himself in data battle which was said to be stronger then is og self. Which tells us sora can beat him by himself
"REFLECT" *plink* *plink* *plink* *plink* but fr soras magic arsenal can beat many characters most likely his abilities to stop time, reflect most if not every attack, heal to max without interaction, and creating gravitational spheres. (And elemental magic) also take a look at those reation commands.
What about speed? Goku is SIGNIFICANTLY faster than sora, both in movement speed and combat speed. Goku can also fly at will and still be exceedingly fast. Bro can literally charge a full power kamehameha from thousands of miles away, with sora bot even knowing bro exists yet, then instant transmission to point blank behinbd sora, who is still totally oblivious, then bam its over
I could bring up Dyspo saying he's light speed in the ToP and Sora & Riku deflecting the closing ball of laser spam in Xemnas' fight, to be funny, but that doesn't hold up in my opinion with how fast Piccolo blew up a moon (even though it tracks a little when a laser gun shot through him). Anyways, It could be possible that Sora would scale to the flight speed of the gummy ship, since he flies it, but what's more impressive (imo) is how he stacks up to guys like Terra, Ventus, and Aqua, since they summon their keyblade armor and vehicles and travel multiversal distances (I believe like Whis with his staff?), and he can fight on par with them. And if we bring up how Sora might need portals to get places quickly, Goku needs IT, so they're pretty dang even in speed. And then there's also speed feats above instant movement you could give either, with both able to move fine in places stated to be "outside of time and space". Though that stuff doesn't really make much sense
That I would argue is out of character for Goku, he definitely wants Sora conscious of him so the fight gets his Saiyan blood boiling, but Sora can fly?? Even if he can't he could shotlock and go grappling hook to Goku, but Sora and company have whole fights in the air multiple times in cutscenes not in Neverland (mainly end of KH3). Though they do seem to prefer standing on invisible ground than to stay flying
yall forgetting the fact sora deflected xehanort's laser and launch his own. by itself wouldn't be impressive if it wasnt for the fact that this happened while xehanort is still firing his laser (this means his movements are much faster han xehanort's laser beam) and if we would consider all keyblade laser beams to be faster than light based on sora's keyblade laser beam reaching the moon in just a few seconds which people found it was faster than light with their calculations
I mean the KH universe at the beginning was one world (not sure if it was one planet) and after a war they became separated and became basically their own universe making the kh universe basically a multiverse. Gravity doesn't work on Sora, sora can also fly dragon ball style. Ultimate has speed close UI, even mx hacks made him very fast. Sora has been shown to be not affected by time stopping (it at most slows him down) and can fight against people with space manipulation, he also moved universes/pocket universes with the power of waking. He also reversed time and had to be killed off by the world because of how op he is.
True but it’s also disrespectful to say he solos Goku and vegeta when they have been fighting their whole lives and become some of the most powerful characters in dragon ball
@@czms922 I’m a kingdom hearts fan too my guy and to say that sora can stop the db universe with no problem is disrespectful like have you seen or read dragon ball and what their characters have been through, I get you love kh so your gonna automatically assume your favorite game character can beat characters from other universes besides his own series 😂
@@gorge1365. When tf is it proven that sora solos Dragon ball that’s just delusional talk right there It’s funny how kh super fans act like sora is this all mighty op guy like I’ve played all the games and I didn’t once think oh sora is so op he can solo a sayian who’s been fight big strong powerful enemies since long before sora has and currently is training under a damn angel and the guy and his son are currently sparring with each other and destroying beerus planet in the manga and when him and beerus fought they were shaking universe , and goku along with the other z fighters fought against other universes in the top , goku literally turned into a avatar to beat moro lol , like I said during my whole lifetime playing kingdom hearts I saw sora as a strong young boy who fights black monsters and villains and going to Disney worlds but I never once looked at sora to be this op universal powerful person like you guys make him out to be lol you guys be like sora solos db characters or any other anime character, if you ask me that’s just biased kingdom hearts fan talk , I absolutely love kh and sora but ik there are characters in other series that can do things that sora cant even think of but yet yall think sora can solo these people. But what can i say different fandoms of different communities like to pin their favorite character against goku or any other anime character and diss dragon ball characters and act as if they are a sack of potatoes that don’t do anything lol
I adore both equally, but it's really hard to argue about anything even connecting to Goku if he taps into Ultra Instinct. Even magic like stop is ineffective as Goku surpassed Hit's time skip through power alone
Wasn't that because Goku was stronger than Hit so his abilities didn't affect him? In that case it could be argued that the Keyblade's magic would be able to work considering its based on Sora's heart and he's basically the purest guy to ever exist.
@@lukasruston8618 only after Goku used Kaioken x10. But by the end of the T.O.P. Goku could Kaioken x20 with SSB. But even KKx20 pales in comparison to Ultra Instinct
@@anaveragespider4797 Yeah, the only problem with UI is that Goku's body can't maintain its full power for long (didn't it only last for like a minute or two canonically in the ToP? I know he's probably trained himself to last longer than that but still, it's a thing that can happen), it could be possible for Sora to just outlast the time limit with his durability and magic since I don't think there's any way he's actually gonna be hitting Goku in that state.
5:22 That moment still is totally epic and touching. It is not bad or something to underestimade. It trully is one of the biggest and best battles and moments of the entire franchise.
Sora is so underrated. Let's take an exemple : Sora with keyblade *at his lowest in KH1*. 1/ Hit from DBS can stop time and punch his opponent. Yeah, Sora could do that in a more efficient way ( completly stop time only on his target ) and do whatever he want during his spell. 2/ People get horrified when Zeno deleted complete universes during the Tournament of power. Sora didn't get consume by darkness at the beginning of the game. That mean Sora's durability is multiversal. 3/ Goku need Whis to travel between universes, Sora only need his gummy ship. 4/ Sora overpowered Ansem/World of Darkness, a being capable of litterally eating worlds ( i remind this is a game where Cloud or Sephiroth get kicked from their world because of him ) 5, 6, 7, 8, 9/ Sora reversed from a heartless form ( which means he just ressurected himself by the power of love, friendship and rainbows ) , had complete mastery of all elemental spells, time and gravity, can heal himself, has a powerful willpower ( mendatory thing to create a nobody - Roxas ) and quickly adapt with his keyblade. And it's just Sora in the beginning without his forms and experience. Come on, guys. The powerscaling in Kingdom Heart is broken by default.
Of these feats, number 2 shouldn’t even be counted, immediately right after surviving said event, he awakens to _a whole world_ filled with survivors of the exact same event. Regular folks, even.
I stated in a video that Master Xehanort beats goku. Every KH character is about the same tier. I did a jjk and kh comparison and I think your tweet made my video blow up a little.
@@KyngMK have you seen dragon ball lately sora won’t survive against ui goku or ultra ego vegeta i love kh but yall talking mad delusional if yall think sora can beat some of the most Powerful anime opponents like goku , vegeta Beerus whis saitama etc
Sora is as strong and weak as the plot demands it. Someone should just ask Nomura about powerscaling one of these days. Sora ran away from Marshmellow and had no method of beating him. Even when we, the player, beat Marshmellow we see nothing Sora, Donald, and Goofy did had an effect on him and he backed them into a literal corner(cliffside). Is Marshmellow stronger than Sora? Sora unequipped with the Keyblade is shown weak, Davey Jones tossed him off during the Carribean and Sora was visibly injured just from being tossed aside. Its too inconsistent. I feel the only person who could truly say on how strong Sora is, canonically, its Nomura. Otherwise, its just speculation that he's a multiversal god that stomps everyone no contest. He said, during Advent Children, he does whatever he thinks look cool without worrying about the validity of it. Cloud and Sephiroth were cutting through buildings and fighting among the debris before Kingdom Hearts II dropped, but no one acknowledges that when talking canonical Cloud and Sephiroth vs Sora
Problem is feats are still feats. Sora has high ball displays of power, getting hurt by casual damage doesn’t mean anything when Sora can have the durability to withstand it. That’s why Powerscaling is a messy business in the first place. Especially with video games characters.
@oreotaku4017 I'm fully aware of his feats, but let's not allow that to blind us to his faults and inconsistencies. If Davey Jones wanted to, he could've killed Sora when he was down and trying to recover the same way he did Will, and since Kairi wasn't there or dead, there would've been no way for Sora to piece himself together again. Everyone Prodigy put against Sora has insane feats of power as well, though Idk about Gojo since I don't watch his series, Sonic besting time itself and freely running in multidimensional frozen time apparently doesn't mean anything to the Kingdom Hearts side, because fans keep saying Stopza overrides any other form of fictional time manipulation despite the fact that Stop doesn't work on bosses from what I remember and Young Xehanort straight up broke free of the spell in Dream Drop Distance. I agree. It's a messy business, especially for JRPG characters. That's why, until Nomura actually comments on how the series canonically stacks with its own characters, I'm looking at Sora clearing Shonen, Shulk, and Sonic with little to no issue as pure fanfiction and nothing more. That's my issue with this whole thing, Kingdom Hearts fans are saying Sora clears everyone with NO issues and deliberately overlooks every one of his duds. I can't see Sora having the reaction to consistently dodge a punch when stuff like getting rocked and stunned by Yao is a thing. If Sora was this unbeatable multiversal menance, he would've been able to see a hostile Chinese dwarf throwing a hook. As far as I can see, we're exclusively giving Sora slack while downplaying anyone who steps up to him.
@@Spitfire_94 Again Sora getting punched doesn’t really negate his feats or power scale. Goku is universal, but he got hurt by a rock hitting him in the head. Or that time he was shot by a lazor gun. Does that mean his feats don’t count either? Of course not. Actually Stop works on most enemies. In fact it’s practically broken. Which is probably why it’s made fewer appearances in other games. With the exception of cutscenes. There was also a particular canon reason YX was able to break free of Stopza. Master Xehanort’s heart, which is currently waiting to repossess his old man body that’s still recompleting, possesses the body of his younger incarnation, enabling him to move. That being said I don’t know how it compares to other forms of time manipulation as in the series time manipulators are the ones that can brush off the effects of stop or be outright immune.
given both characters personalities they probably become friends after the fight and goku would want to fight again and sora maybe gets a 4 star dragon ball keyblade
Sounds like KH just has poorly defined power scaling, even when compared to DB. Sora can get one shot in a cutscene but then 5 minutes later kill something capable of ending the universe. It almost doesn’t make sense to compare characters like this, but ultimately I don’t see Sora actually beating someone like Goku.
What about the cutscene in Re:Mind when sora goes up against terra-xehanort when he tries to save terra? Feel like He could have done more then just a simple whack.
@@gorge1365 Fair point with the rock how does that give Sora an advantage. We have seen Goku deal with worse. Meanwhile Sora gets punched to the ground by Yao.
I'm really annoyed of this whole powerscaling nonsense. Sora is not 1-C. He is 5-A to 5-C at best. But since I'm just being talked to be a hater and people don't actually want to discuss this with facts it is useless to argue that.
@@gorge1365 The thing is I researched well and that's exactly why I think the powerscaling is false. But sure enlighten me with knowlegde of the Ultumanias. What does there be told to actually prove those are Universes?
@@OzomaLp Go check Xehanort's Reports in BBS, there he explained and confirmed that all worlds are inside their own universes with their own laws, space and time.
@@gorge1365 Then you should too. I just looked them up again and already in report 2 it is said: "The World is vast-and the worlds within the greater World, uncountable. Like little islands, they dot a great Ocean Between which keeps them ignorant of each other, uncorrupted. Each world had its own order. Unlike us, they could not know of the World in its entirety, and we were never to enlighten them." That is the whole definition of a Galaxy or Universe and not a multiverse. So no still no proof.
@@hbak.1379 bro different fanbases be acting like the db universe is full of couch potatoes that can’t do shit and these people instead of actually thinking they just pull shit out of their asses and automatically assume their favorite character is above Goku
Seems like the power of wakeing gives Sora that multiverse level power with him being able to travers moments in time and even rewrite fate. Not to mention the X-blade seemed to grant multiverse Powers in the final fight and remind not to mention the sleeping worlds in dream drop distance. People definitely don’t give Sora enough credit. My boi is pretty darn strong 😄💚💙
I misunderstood when bro said he was multiversal but sora did indeed fight xehanort when he was in controller of kingdom hearts which can wipe out multiverses but donald and goofy did need to help out so id say Sora is around that level
You count sora having access to all his abilities and he literally can be 1 shot or comboed to death and reflect is literally impenetrable. My only question is how much physical damage he'd be able to deal but his durability is 10/10
@@Axoldrew I think they meant to say 'he can't be one-shot' as in Second Chance + Once More, you can hit him all you want but with that combination (and Leaf Bracer + Curaga + MP Rage) he is basically unkillable.
Glad to see Sora getting respect in terms of power scaling, i honestly do see Sora and many other video games characters beating Goku and most anime/manga characters.
@@lawznwdsc I bet you don’t watch those shows or read the manga to them then 😂 I love kh and sora but there’s no way he will survive against Goku and definitely not saitama 😂
@@edwardjones1482 you are being ignorant, literally just sit down and think about sora's feats for like a good 30 seconds and its easy to understand how he wins. literally all that has to be said is that sora defeated a character capable of erasing all of existence (KH multiverses are much bigger than average in fiction btw) and completely recreating it by himself. Goku is not doing that... not even close.
Wonder if Sora Could beat Characters like Link(Legend of Zelda),Pit(Kid icarus Uprising),Ben 10, Generator Rex,Saint Seiya,Sailormoon,Luffy,Asta,Deku,Shulk(Xenoblade Chronicles),Rex(Xenoblade 2) or Captain Planet and Freakazoid!
Sora would easily beat all of these characters except for Shulk, Rex, and Ben 10. With Shulk and Rex, it's hard to say given all three of them are in the same tier of low-to-mid 1-C. As for Ben, Ben 10,000, whether it be the main or alternate timeline version, would be needed because those are the only two versions that you can arguably get to 1-B, otherwise they're 2-A.
@@hbak.1379 Nah, Main Ben only gets to 5-A with Ascalon, maybe to 2-A with Alien X. Ben 10,000 is the only one who consistently gets to 2-A, but has arguments for 1-B. I would include Eon, but he only gets to 1-A with the Chrono Navigator, which isn't part of his standard set.
Sora could solo Link easily. Link is powerful, but his arsenal is fairly limited, with Soras being almost if not infinite. Soras magic makes links magic look like small fireworks. Sora also has way better movement compared to Link with the ability to fly being the main one. I'm rambling here sorry LOL.
Sora Vs Ben is funny considering that either Ben can't do much as the Omnitrix is useless against magical stuff or humans, or Alien X does Alien X things, really depends on how large you take Ben's cosmology.
It’s kh fans themselves making up stuff to make sora very op look I play kh I love that game series but I don’t think sora is that op like he did what he had to do and so did goku but unlike sora Goku don’t just be fighting powerful villains he trains to get stronger and stronger and achieves new forms , sora is my favorite character in kingdom hearts but do I really think he stands a chance against goku if they were to go 1v1 no goku beats him maybe with the help of his friends sora beats goku but 1v1 goku solos
if this ever were to really be a thing and sora would somehow manage to fight goku by then technically it would just depend on the one who's writing the story lol (most-likely, realistically, i think if they were to get into a fight that neither would straight up kill the other in the end.. but i mean ig if one does die they both technically have ways to resurrect lol.. sora with the power of waking or somethn plus Disney (and the common likelihood that no one ever truly dies in kingdom hearts cuz of nobodies, heartless, princesses (*cough kairi in kh1 saving sora *cough bs) and such..) and goku with the dragon balls or super dragon balls plus his angel form )
@@swooo1888 No, vs wiki ranks the characters they like higher than other characters even when certain series have the same statements. Let's not get started on having certain characters at a specific level because of one attack while others get their but get the same rating all around.
Sora can do everything that Goku can do and more. He doesn't have the outright physical strength but he basically has a weapon that lets him teleport and he transform that weapon into theoretically ANYTHING. The weapon is literally bonded to him so that he can't lose it. He can use flowmotion and turn enemies' attacks against them which is basically the equivalent of ultra-instinct. That's not even considering drive forms, magic, and rage mode. Sora is a broken character that would have no problem-fighting Goku at all.
Honestly, Sora is very powerful but I don't see him beating Goku. I see his powers catching Goku by surprise but in terms of him actually winning....? I dunno about that.....not without some kind of outside assistance.
I agree. I love both and they both have incredible feats, but goku's speed and strength are off the charts. As long as they aren't in the db universe, where power beats has, goku claps. One thing I'd definitely give sora is the fact we still don't know much about all the capabilities the keyblade nor sora truly has. I feel like he'll grow a lot mentally after kh4.
valid but Sora is kinda immortal aqua put a spell on him that will make him protect kiari long term so he can come back from being reduced to atoms like in kh3 he went back in time to bring him and his friends back no problem and he has lost his abilities multiple times and Sora gained it all back in multiple ways only in a matter of a few days (I'm assuming) but seeing sora fighting against Goku would be interesting to see who's power is faster and stronger than the others is
Big KH fan, but I didn't hear any reason why Sora could beat Goku. I didn't see anything throughout the games of Sora showing any abilities comparable to Goku. Goku is faster than light and hes way stronger than Sora in terms of raw strength. I think the only way Sora beats goku is with the keyblade sealing ability, other than that, Goku wins everytime. BTW, how is Riku stronger than Sasuke I'm confused. I got Sasuke winning that fight. I could be accessing the powerscale of the KH universe wrong, but I don't see many real feats in the universe honestly. I know Sora has the power of waking, but he can't just spam that ability, which is why we're in the situation in KH4.
Realm of darkness has no time sora can move in there making him inaccessible that’s way faster then light and goku. Raw strength there equal in a way since he can go blow for blow with herc and herc threw titans in outer space and riku wins for the same reason I just said for sora.
I don't know much about power scaling but with everything ive seen so far I think these guys are right and that Sora can beat goku because ive seen dragon ball and played alot of the video games and ive played almost all the kingdom hearts games and from what ive calculated is that according to people goku in dragon ball super is considered multiversal including the manga and thats with all the power goku has aquired at this point but Sora was also considered multiversal in kingdom hearts 1 and thats just the first game and as we all know for anyone who has played the kingdom hearts games is that sora gets older and stronger overtime, he aquires new weapons, spells, transformations all that stuff, when it comes to dragon ball goku does get stronger overtime but one thing I noticed is that both kingdom hearts and dragon ball have some type of afterlife, dragon ball has heaven and hell and kingdom hearts has the final world and I noticed that when Goku dies he dies, hes not immortal or anything, he literally dies multiple times, like there's literally been several times in dragon ball where characters have actually been able to kill him, piccolo, cell, hit, moro almost did it and frieza would have done it in resurrection F by blowing up the planet since goku made the mistake of not finishing frieza off sooner and only got saved from the planet explosion thanks to whis and beerus, but when Sora dies he rewrites his own death multiple times, even seth the programer who I think has a reputation for knowing what he's talking about most of the time who also talked about how powerful sora truly is even said that sora would beat goku and all these other anime characters and he didnt just say that and that was it no he read the guide books, listened to all the interviews, read all the xehanort reports, everything and he still said sora wins Im not a dragon ball hater or anything since I grew up with dragon ball but ive been playing the kingdom hearts games since high school and im starting to think that these guys are right and that sora can beat goku, Heck I think that when I see people have sora and goku fight each other on some of these they have Goku go through all his transformations but they keep sora in base form and it makes me wonder what would havd happened if they included Soras transformations, I think kingdom hearts isnt focus on powerscaling like anime is and I remember only two times where kingdom hearts characters actually trained and thats in birth by sleep and kingdom hearts 3, i think also in the olympus coliseum, so yeah Im gonna say it but I think they are right that Sora beats goku
@@jemielmarsh7957 well whatever he is, from what I've seen I think Sora could beat goku, like I said, I don't know much about power scaling but I'm just going off of what I've seen and what I know about dragon ball and kingdom hearts
This is my pre-watch prediction, zetta flare retcons FFXIV, so by endgame kh3 sora is more powerful than a retcon laser, Goku is not immune to his verse getting reset.
Bruh Goku is washing Sora even if you would multiply Sora’s strength by several millions…. The people behind the wiki are dumb. Sora has not shown a single feat ever showcasing enough strength to destroy a whole planet😭
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I understand doing this with gojo. But after seeing riku’s keyblade break, I’m certain that Goku would destroy Sora’s keyblade and completely blitz him.
Sora's Keyblade didn't break after being continuously hit by a laser that was powered by Kingdom Hearts and the X-Blade aka the things responsible for all of creation... I think he'll be fine.
If yall think Riku is stronger than Sauske. You do not know sauske he pretty much has all rikus abilities like dark fire and a highly skilled swordsman. But the sharingan , lightning element , powers of indra and rinnegan, sussano!!
While it's possible for Sora to beat Goku due to the powerful adversaries he has faced and defeated, I also think that Goku can win because he is a better fighter and arguably more powerful than Sora.
I agree Sora is stronger than people think, but Vs. Battle Wiki is a horrid source to use. They use convoluted ways to determine strength and will sometimes use vague statements to hype up a character, one of which is the assumption that any laser-like weapon/attack must be traveling at the speed of light whether it's stated or not. Like supposedly Kenshiro from Fist of the North Star can destroy entire continents, not from anything shown in the story, but a statement at the start of the manga saying users of Hokuto Shinken that go unchecked could destroy the world, which a pretty blatantly non-literal statement. Or things like Doom Slayer being able to destroy entire universes because of the creatures he faces, not because he's shown to actually be able to unleash such power.
😭 i love sora, and he be boxing, but hell nah he can’t beat goku, there is some ppl that don’t even think he can beat cloud and if he can’t beat cloud he definitely not touching goku
I think the KH cosmology can be safely considered its own multiverse tbh with quadratum explicitly falling outside of it being fictional and unreality. If this is the case we may see potential outerversal feats from Sora. That is to say not strictly AP or durability feats but being able to exist where he shouldn't, travel between reality and fiction, having plot manipulation, greater control over time travel?, etc. These kinds of powers tend to land in DC comics Milkman, and the retcon corporation. Not saying Sora is anywhere near these kinds of abilities but we're starting to see these kinds of ideas with reality vs unreality in the story.
sora beat xehanort who was literally capable of completely erasing every single universe in KH and recreating them with ease, goku isn't even coming close to doing anything like that, not to mention all of the insane speed feats sora has due to being able to move in a space with no time whatsoever making him faster than time himself. goku would be on king kai's planet before even knowing how he died brother.
@@SevenSkylines so goku didn’t beat who was stated to be the most powerful villain in the universe at the time frieza ? Goku the guy who fought a god of destruction , goku who took on an most of the red ribbon army as a child and achieved a form none of the gods of destruction achieved yet you telling me Goku don’t come close to sora ? I think it’s the other way around bro
@@edwardjones1482 those feats are entirely baseless bc those are in verse characters?? they dont scale up to sora whatsoever, im not going to argue with you if you are just going to be ignorant of just pure factual statements.
@@SevenSkylines you can think sora a kid with sword powers can easily beat goku all you want but I’ve seen all of dragon ball and seen all of what goku can do same with sora but idk how you can sit hear on the web and be like yea sora solos ui goku in a fight and it’s funny how you calling me ignorant all because I say sora can’t beat goku 😂😂
@@SevenSkylinesuh goku also moved through a space where there was literally nothing left, when he went to grab a different Timeline Zeno so his Timeline's Zeno could have a friend.
Lmao I love Sora and I think he’s op af in his own right. But there’s no way, in a 1v1 deathmatch, that Sora wins. Goku blitzes the keyblade/Soras head. Unless Sora uses the power of waking, which is almost basically like Whis’ time reversal, and makes an immediate move like stopping time and then sending Goku into a sun or something
I wouldn't say that Sora is a multiversal buster, Universal? sure Each world despite how some look like Deep Space, aren't separate universes, solar sistems or galaxies at most. Sora could be multiversal in kh4 tho.
Bro sora has zero chances against goku right now bro he doesn’t stand a ghost of a chance even in base form . I believe sora caps off of goku when he came back from snake way level to maybe the goku who just got to namek level that’s it lol
I truly feel that since these people love kh they automatically just assume they’re character can beat any other character just because that one particular character beats the villains in their own franchise, this happens all the time I’ve heard fans of Ben 10 say Ben 10 solos goku , I’ve seen Danny phantom fans say Danny phantom beats goku , sonic fans etc this happens frequently Superman vs goku , thanos vs goku , it never stops
@@edwardjones1482goku can't touch Danny (he's a phantom) Sonic literally has gone against beings who make Zeno look like a lil baby(A time eater ring any bells, or maybe a being who literally existed beyond realms Solaris) you shouldn't even ask about Thanos or Superman
Probably not, it hasn't been confirmed that Kirby can even die and Kirby rarely ever gets serious... not to mention the amount that he scales upwards. In Star Allies, Kirby got serious and managed to defeat a being that was going to destroy the whole universe and possibly even the Multiverse with ease... then in the next game, he fought Fecto Elfilis who could distort reality just by powering up, he needed to get serious and needed help from one of his most powerful friends but he won in the end... then, not even a day later, he fights a powered up version of that same being called Chaos Elfilis who was distorting reality just by existing and manages to beat it single-handedly without showing any signs of him really putting effort into fighting.
Aaah, the Dragon Ball Fanboys are going wild now. Sora since he defeated Hercules (Pre Hollow Bastion) in KH1, will Stomp DB verse, End Of KH1 Sora will no diff DB Franchise. KH2 or DDD or KH3 are way too overkill.
Man made a whole video and didn’t really explain how he could win…I don’t even understand the magnitude of sora’s feats yet. I feel like he didn’t say anything
I'll just give you his best feat then; Sora beat a guy called Master Xehanort in Kingdom Hearts 3, in this fight, Xehanort had control over both the X-Blade (the strongest Keyblade to ever exist) and Kingdom Hearts (Literally the origin of everything in the KH cosmology including multiple infinite realms). Sora then blocked a laser powered by both the X-Blade and Kingdom Hearts and not only did he block it, he reflected it, charged up his own attack and actually managed to overpower Xehanort who was a much more experienced Keyblade wielder (he had been using and learning more about Keyblades for around 80 years by that point, probably the most powerful Keyblade Master of his time whilst Sora was mostly self-taught). To put it simply, Sora used his Keyblade to overpower the Ultimate Keyblade along with the thing responsible for all of existence at the same time... yeah.
@@gamingdemon1235 Yeah, the only real things we have to work with are that he's supposedly the most powerful Keyblade Master and that he can steal people's Keyblades like he did with Xehanort... but that's not really much to work with against people who don't use Keyblades.
You know what? From what you said, Sora would be no match for Perona from One Piece. She'd give the boi depression and the keyblade would be worse than the wooden sword from Kingdom Hearts 1... Because Sora wouldn't have the HEART to put in a fight, get it? :D I'll see myself out.
@hqTheToaster I have read and watch DB, DBZ, DBGT, DBZ Kai, DBS multiple times and played every single kingdom hearts games including the phone games, read the manga and the novels, and own the ultimania. So I know sora is nowhere near goku
I will not argue on who stronger or weaker, however I will say this. Sora in only two years has gone way farther than Goku has in over 40 years of training. Also Sora with his Keyable alone can do what Goku does with his Power poll & Flying Nimbus together Plus Much more. Regardless of who is stronger, Sora the 16 year old boy has more abilities than the 46 year old Goku in DB Super.
Cut that time to like _a single quarter of a year_ for what I believe to be a more accurate timeframe of Sora’s experiences. If there’s anything I will give to Sora hands down (aside from the literal power of friendship and all the miracle BS it’s capable of), it’s his growth rate. This isn’t even him training and/or actually trying to develop his abilities, this is just him going out there and fighting.
Sora's literally Ichigo on roids as look how powerful Ichigo got from the first arc of Bleach to the Soul Society Arc with less time he's able to go against Captain Class spiritual beings like Kenpachi and Byakuya. By doing exactly what Sora did mostly going out and fighting, yes, Ichigo trained during those time frames with Kisuke and Yoruichi, but being able to run the ones with Kenpachi by just discovering some shit about himself and running blades with Byakuya by juat getting his ass beat by himself and cutting down his inner weaknesses bruh. @aguywithgames3135
@@aozorahaou2643 Sora is indeed very similar to quite a few Shonen Jump protagonist indeed. Ichigo, Goku, Yoh, Kenshin. The most apparent similar is probably the part of being kindness & helping people, killing only as last resort.
I’ve played kh and seen all of dragon ball and I can see why Goku is one of the strongest characters in his series all I’ve seen from sora is fighting heartless , fighting boss battles in Disney and original worlds and beat the organization members , but we gotta chill with the whole sora is op and solos anime characters, Japan hasn’t even put have him in a strongest character poll , plus even tho kingdom hearts is a square Enix game and namorua does the making of the game , sora is a Disney character not a Japan made character
