Sorceress Makes Over 4700+ Horsepower!!! 

We've logged hundreds of high boost dyno pulls using water injection, we found putting the water pre-turbo tremendously limits compressor flow by displacing air molecules with water plus slowing down the turbo rotor speed as the compressor crashes into heavy water particles. We understand that the water in this session was an after thought and the data is great, but next time put the water into a nitrous tank and use nitrous or CO2 to pressurize the tank and regular nitrous solenoids and nozzles to inject it post turbo. You'll still incure some airflow penalties displacing intake air charge with water, as the exhaust will go richer when water activates, but you'll get way more out of your turbo system injecting all water post turbo. Great video, thanks for sharing data and educating everyone!!

I am just a basic truck guy trying to build a 49 Chevy with 1200 horsepower. I'm still short a turbo. All I keep saying is, man you spend more time on the dyno than the track or the street. But now I get it. You are all about r&d. And by doing so you have gained major horsepower with less boost. I have followed you from day one when you powered up your windows at the track. I f****** love it guys. Thanks for sharing.

So much knowldge and wisdom in one room, fascinating to hear all the real intricate details about tuning!

Very , very impressive !! My hat is off to all of your team ( I have always believed in water injection ). Many thanks for this video.

All you guys are amazing in your explanations and effort, this car is such an animal and cant wait to see its new times at the track

Your water nozzle is dribbling after you let off the throttle. Tank needs a small bleed hole drilled up top to allow the tank pressure too drop as boost drops. Exair makes an HVLP spray head that works well and zero compressor damage. I love this series of tuning videos! Hope to meet you gurus some day and chew the fat! 👍 So much knowledge

So good. $500k worth of equipment and checking plugs/drilling jets... 😄 Back in the 80s, I was using stock Toyota mechanical secondary carburetors on turbo engines. No jets were available, so...yep. Bigger drill bit. Loving the logarithmic combustion analysis.

Fair play ❤ I love watching your open door attitude to sharing information on the very high end of drag engines, it's refreshing to see the honesty in the success and failure of a project reaching for the moon!! Very cool and so amazing to be on the journey with you thankyou team sorceress!!! Best RU-vid out there from a humble engine builder in the UK 😂

Wow! Truly inspiring. Thanks for all the sharing y'all do. Y'all take care.

So much information in this video. Big thanks for that!

Love these videos. The car and total team are amazing.

Awesome, thanks for sharing, I can't wait to see more!

thanks for posting this - it means a lot

Thats pretty interesting to hear about that water injection definitely different

Ugh, Shane! When you pin the wastegates shut, you may get one good pull! It either comes out the top, or bottom! Maybe you should make those Shane T shirts will full send on them 😜😜😜😜! What did the cylinder pressure look like on the last pull? I would also be maging the crankshafts, especially with all the violence that engine has seen! Can’t wait to see him run again 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻! Rod, if you don’t have the best guys there now, I don’t know where you would find better! Good job Guys!

Grats! Very interesting journey. Good luck in the future.

That turbo shot was insane

As a tuner, seeing the pressure graph of preignition vs detonation is very eye opening. I have very limited experience on Methanol, and I honestly didn't know that preignition wasn't always detectable on a knock sensor. One stupid question though...I'm guessing preignition is still audible through electronic det cans? Absolutely phenomenal work to everyone involved, what a badass project.

its awesome seeing a hub hold that thing

Boost entered the cooling system and blew the radiator part fn crazy

So interesting watching pros dial in tune and walk that razor love it

This is the style of nozzle I use on my evo 8. Adjustable needle for water flow, works well. Youll need a solenoid to control this one on the water inlet. Hope this helps. I believe i have a short vid on my channel of it operating

U guys r always helping move the sport forward tru education as in Detination in todays vid thanks guys awesome awesome vid, @ 21:10 thats the pure definition of efficiency 1000 more ponies at less boost fuck me thats so rarely happens wow great werk and the motor is still continuing to work boys class is in session

Absolutely fascinating, brilliant description of pre ignition and knock. 4700 hp! Not sure how you will get that to the track especially your now spraying water under the car. 👍👍👍

This car is incredible!

Pre turbo water injection is the best way to make a small turbo lag like a big turbo and make 80% of its rated max power. Watch the turbo speed when the water hits, and the EMAP climb when the water acts like a brake and slows down the back wheel. Need to do post turbo injection and you’ll see benefits without the losses. Definitely some cylinder pressure to turn the radiator into a balloon. Hopefully the block and head aren’t too badly lanced.

Nice work boys. Max love from New Zealand. Thanks for the wicked videos. Im off to slap a boost referenced water injection on my car :)

Can't wait to see it run on a track soon!

What is amazing is we are a long ways off the limits of hp with engines like this, in 5 years we will be over 6k hp

The misfire on the passenger side started a backfire that pushed a boost spike into the engine, again on the passenger side, blowing out #8, because the boost was a pressure spike from the backfire. I recommend a New design head with dual spark plugs, double the coil size, and/or increase dwell. That misfire and boost spike cost you an engine. A pressure sensor at the compressor outlet with high enough response time to shut the engine down before the pressure wave reaches the TB could be a viable strategy to prevent boost spikes entering the engine. Blew out the spark. Shove a Gopro in the intake and see if the intake is puddling with water.

Wow, that is crazy power. Love the tech insights, learning a lot. Thanks for sharing! What's the plan for racing it with the water injection? It's crazy the amount of mist that is not sucked into the turbo or how it expels the mist when the throttle is shut.

That dancing fire extinguisher was a hoot.

i love this channel! learn alot and very very impressive numbers!

I really like the honesty in these videos. I am a bit suprized that the radiator balooned. Are not all of these extreme hp engines dry decked?

You need proper air atomiser nozzles if you aren't going to run high pressure pumps for the water. Spray systems and many other do them, even some paint spray mixers would be a significant improvement.

What are your plans on addressing the water not making it into the turbo and onto the ground, great pulls by the way.👍

Great explanation on pre-ignition vs detonation. Shane just cracks me up. Love it.

ONE PRO TIP!!!!...on these cars....add a pressure sensor on the radiator and an air pressure sensor in the sump..to cut the engin before major damage occurs.. broken head gasket = excessive radiator pressure... boom cut out... broken piston rings = excessive blow by....excessive air pressure in sump from head gasket to oil ports.. boom cut out before major damage.... HOPE YOU READ THIS.....PS Excellent progress..

Dyno Numbers are cool... Winners circle pictures are ALOT cooler!

My total wheel hp is your wheel hp gain. Good work fellas. Definetly did not see the water injection coming, im intrigued. Might have to go pick up a super soaker for this little s400. 😅

I would have loved to have seen the cylinder pressure graph on one of the big pulls

Bro, I don't think Ron Davis is going to warranty that radiator! I've seen a lot of things, but that radiator came apart in unexpected ways! And this not repeatable power......well if you have a "trailer full parts", I guess it is.

Shane has the best explanations because he just knows.

Is there a point where the static compression doesn't make a difference when you pass a certain boost threshold love the knowledge your letting out

Looks like a funny car 😀

Still doing the cylinder pressure analysis / logging? Oops, should have waited to ask… Fascinating stuff. Great explanation of pre ignition v. detonation. How accessible is this technology, as it would seem to be a game changer in engine development? Would love for Ben to expound on this topic.

any thoughts on whether any of that water could get under the rear slicks during a run? Especially some puddling during shutdown?

Its not the only thing, but wave theory knowledge does enhance an understanding of detonation events. In the radio frequency world, a properly tuned & maintained system works. But, a damaged tuning coupler or waveguide and power is reflected back into the system. An engine cannot avoid reflected power of a sonic wave, only cope with it - its an exercise in much the same phenomenon of a standing [radio] wave. So lets pick the simplest example of what most of us have likely seen: waves on the water. Sometimes they are traveling different directions, and when swells intersect, the combined energy results in a high point. In an RF system this is called standing wave - as a ratio. So why the mention of RF? Because to test a system without broadcasting, a dummy load is used in place of the antenna. For a waveguide, that load has an internal pyramid like taper that will absorb/attenuate the energy and prevent big power reflection. The thing in modern head design that does much the same thing to sonic waves? Chamber "softening" - something between 1.5 and 3 degrees taper seems to be what works from what I can gather... but a designer I am not. Prior to this innovation, head porters/designers would adjust chamber shape if a design proved detonation prone, noting the sonic wave outruns the flame kernel and reflecting/recombining to the point where it, combined with other factors of heat & mixture, allow one or more extra & unwanted combustion points that cause peak cylinder pressure to happen too early vs crank position. Fighting/fixing detonation can be a long battle... very long, or much of this would have been well sorted in 60's. Every combo has its limits... you guys are doing great - love the tech.

What combustion analysis software are you utilizing? Great videos! Tons of info!

Add some alcohol to the water. It more effectively cools the charge air!!! Use a BANKS POWER SPIN water/alcohol injection nozzle (they work at supersonic injection speed; hence better atomized mist and better cooling!!!)!!!🌊💙💜😎

bring it to Empire in NY, would love to see it compete against the Pro Mod,s here in August

I would like to know what was the intake air temperature charge before the water injection. Verses after the water injection. How much did the water injection lower the air intake temperature. That is probably the problem you're having with the detonation. Is the air intake temperature is so hot. Due to not having an intercooler on this vehicle even though it is on alcohol or methanol whichever fuel you are running. You're already at the detonation threshold

what's the air density post compressor? it doesn't look like you use a charge air cooler- wouldn't that help with detonation/knock?

A true test will do like SICK WEEK, DRAG WEEK or Midwest Drags with it. See if it can take the stress of a Drag n Drive. The water isnt new. I did it on a car i raced to cool the fuel air mix going in and the little moisture raised my HP. Kind of like a water/Meth injection. Everyone knows cooling the air going in helps knock and hp. Thats what you are doing

Great! Take it to Bradenton, the Texas Mile, Bonneville or some such place, and Show us How much of that power is Usable. Thanks for sharing.

Atomize the water with a "fogjet" ? What do you think?

how can you have detonation after the spark event? isn't everything in the cylinder burned after the spark event?

Hope the engine has a strong bottom end ...

Do yall not run a coolant pressure sensor with a safety set up? Seems like it started to pressurize coolant system early in the run and maybe could've saved some parts. Just my 2cents

I have to say amazing content but I’m really surprised this is not dry decked at this power level, it’s a serious safety issue, you lose a gasket on the track and dump water on the tires and you’re going for a ride

Use o injetor de água, logo após a roda do compressor do turbo assim evita vibrações indesejadas no turbo...

When you rev do a pull it's literally like it has lungs taking in a deep breath of fresh air and its lungs are expanding. It's ALIVE

🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

What is the displacement of this sweet ass motor?

Red shoes?

Love watching videos of stuff I'll never be able to afford 😂

Dyno queen....lmfao

What brand engine is this ?

Cleetus needs this engine program in everyone of his race cars!!!

Lean out at highest rpms

Again great stuff> the educational factor alone of the videos with all involved should not be taken lightly > Thanks

Why aren’t other racers doing this kind of testing? Seems like most of the pro mod and NPK guys are just guessing in the blind. No one, that I am aware of is analyzing this kind of data.

Maybe you should get that gorilla a girlfriend make him really happy

Doesnt matter how much HP your car makes, if you cant get it down the track consistently...

Personally feel that stopping short of “Kill”, y’all will see more W’s for dependability. Seems most of y’all’s competitors will take themselves out…

To much back pressure and to much cam timing overlap. 😳

Bad a$$ Chanel if you like how stuff works theses guys explain to the tee

Seems kind of low it’s not even making 10,000 hp. I would start all over.

Substitute an SMX BLOCK FROM STEVE MORRIS!!!😎

loan me some money so i can go make 1400 off of summit pistons and rods so i can go destroy my local racing community please lol

4700 HP doesn't do you any good if you can't keep it together !!!!!

wot was that that floated around or fell off under the headers in vid at 4.20sec

@oldmansgarage

Atomize the water with a "fogjet" ? What do you think?